Wolfgang Muthspiel Trio

[eduardobcn30]

I dont like the distorted sound

[laiho606]

I like Chopin. I like piano. Can he play the piano? This is video is clearly showing that he can't play the piano. He just playing notes fast. When it's fast, I don't listen, because it's necessarily showing that he can't play slow. You probably dont understand me because I have a lot of experience, I'm on another level.

Joe Pass is better than Steve Vai (Pass reach very high tempos but Steve Vai has a pick so he goes faster so i dont like him) and Herbie Hancock is better than Pablo Picasso.

[npookia]

@laiho606 I never thought of it like that, but you're right!

[limaktba]

@laiho606 you are a moron, aren't you?

[dannyboy15]

@laiho606

This may surprise you but some people play very fast and can play slow, and play slow sometimes aswell.

see: adam rogers

Surely playing fast doesn't rule our having feeling, and playing slow doesn't necessitate feeling...

If he's playing so fast you can't listen, maybe you would get something out of it if you learned to listen?

I'm not sure that deciding 'who's better than who' is really appreciating music, or just an ego exercise.

thanks

[kboulema]

@laiho606 "You probably dont understand me because I have a lot of experience, I'm on another level"

Can't agree with you more: you are definitely on another level. And God am I glad I'm not there with you.

[alzhammer1]

This guy is already a lot better than Wes Montgomery.... but still miles away from Victor van Kampen....!

[Kapteinar]

@alzhammer1 I laughed so hard when I saw this comment. Yeah, this guy is a real legend..... Wes didn't even know how to tap and sweep, what a retard. Luckily, we've got people like you, who can identify the real legends, like Wolfgang, my neightbour, and those powermetal dudes from guitar hero 17.

[maidoodesu]

so nice !  ですね.

[NateParton]

when you switch tones like that, it needs o be finessed a little better in my opinion

[schwoazi]

I think one can say that Frank Gambale is a sort of a Jazz mucision too if you mention Chick Corea ;-)

[sprechstimme]

Folks, just happened upon this forum and it would appear that apples and oranges are being compared here. Jazz is jazz, and rock is rock and n'er the twain shall meet (at least most of the time).  Rather than get into a pissing contest, why not enjoy each on their own terms for their relative merits. Also just because someone is able to "shred" reams of notes, it does not necessarlly follow that that person is making music (i.e. playing spontaneously through chords vs. rote memorization.

[qead0828]

Well the thing is, it's like a GIANT apple compared to a tiny orange.

[mibifinalist]

lastly, i did at no point limit the definition of music... i merely stated that the reason why jazz musicians think differently is down to the fact they are accustomed to think in a much more spontaneous manner. I know, words cannot describe the compositions of Sibelius. Neither the songwriting of The Beatles... I am simply stating that jazz is a TOTALLY different ball game.

[mibifinalist]

if we are realistic, it is the rock/blues musicians, who are, generally, content with an appalling knowledge of harmony, melody and articulacy.

[mibifinalist]

are they?

look at wes, he had an incredible tone...

metheny, freddie green, sco, frisell, al di meola, mike stern, tuck andress, benson, abercrombie, les paul, scott henderson, george van eps, martin taylor, ... the list is endless.

[ladiezroom]

great player, but he can´t handle distortion-sounds-- most jazz players forget to rework the tone from the fingers when the play with dist, they think distortion is a finished sound inside a box. that´s why it sounds so awkward: great, sophisticated lines with a shitty beginner´s sound

[mibifinalist]

in this context, who gives a shit about tone.

listen to that articulation and that language!!!

[ladiezroom]

not to care about tone is like writing a loveletter with a typewriter

[mibifinalist]

if the literature within that loveletter is deeply profound and indelible, why does that matter?!

listen to muthspiel carefully, break his phraseology down and analyze his language ... e/g 1:19 - 1:27 ... so powerful.

[ladiezroom]

i hear and understand the subtle qualities of his playing, because i´m a musician myself--and i also mentioned him before as a great player. music is not only the thought behind it, but also the sound-the moved air. complete musicians like wes or trane had it all together: spirit, wisdom & tone-- but that´s just my humble opinion.....

[hakanozelguitarist]

i 100% agree with ladiezroom!!! ive been shot down in flames for saying the same thing bout jazz guitarists before...but it seems to me a huge, huge failing of even some of the best players (rosenwinkel etc) - to spend a lifetime developing articulacy and melodic and harmonic sophistication...and then play it with a tone that sounds like some rats arse bedroom practice amp!

[mibifinalist]

effectively, you are suggesting that a musician should spend huge amounts of time developing an individualistic tone. that does not require any musicality whatsoever. it is the job of an engineer.

A true musician, on the other hand, spends his time developing a characteristic vocabulary and distinct articulation ... so that he might set himself apart from the 1000000 other musicians out there with a 'great tone'.

+ kurt rosenwinkel's tone is fucking great!!!

[hakanozelguitarist]

Rosenwinkle's clean tone i agree...his distorted tone is imho crappy and on the level of some teenager in his bedroom..

Jazz and jazz musicians...for some reason the jazz world is the ONLY musical world where there is this indifference to tone...rock and blues guitar is ALL about tone. Classical guitar (classical instrumentalists in general) - is ALL about tone production. Why are jazz guys so simultaneously narrow minded and oblivious to the rest of the musical world?

[mibifinalist]

"jazz guys are so simultaneously narrow minded and oblivious to the rest of the musical world" because jazz is a different bag. It is the most prominent music in which free spontaneity is an essential component. Fundamentally, it requires a completely different mindset to that of the genres mentioned above.

furthermore, it is jazz musicians who have continually expanded the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities of contemporary music.

[hakanozelguitarist]

Alred Brendal, Itzhak Perlman,Eliot Fisk...years of dedication to tone production. Guthrie Govan, Allan Holdsworth, Eric Johnson, - years of work on their tone. Miles Davis famously said the most important thing is his his tone.-If he hasnt got his tone he cant play, cant sleep, cant fuck. No offense dude, but who are YOU to define a "true musician"? Theres more out there than playing over changes, dude.

[mibifinalist]

when did i say anything about "playing over changes"???

in this context, i'm referring to melodic erudition, harmonic diversity ... intellectual energy in general. It could be over the coltrane matrix, it could be over so what.

Now, all your aforementioned electric guitarists, bar holdsworth, have the improvisatory capacity of an EXTREMELY mediocre jazz musician. The aforementioned classical musicians are most probably, going by tradition, unable to simply fluently improvise.

[brambau]

Bill Frisell, John Scofield, Charlie Haden, Stan Getz, George Benson, all have great individualistic tone, Kenny Burell's tone kicks ass !!!

come on

Allan Holdsworth has a unique legato sound but I would really like to hear what he sounds like on an old archtop hollow body. just for a couple of songs

even if some legato speed sacrificed.

He recorded on acoustic and that seems even further from his regular sound.

I like his tone for fusion but not on that standards album he did

[hakanozelguitarist]

also..being harmonically sophisticated doesnt give you the ability to convincingly improvise in any situation. Put Pat Metheny on stage with Stevie Ray Vaughans backing band and he would suck-because he doesnt "get it" (as PM himself admitted). f musicality in which contemporary rock guitarists are light years ahead of jazzers, and that is TECHNIQUE. Even someone with chops like Pat Metheny looks like hes in slow mo compared to someone like GG (who can ream for hrs on Chick Corea tunes too, btw)

[mibifinalist]

jazzers are by no means behind rock players in terms of technique. just cos GG and PG can play faster, does not mean they have a better technique. Van Eps was light years ahead of both of them put together in terms of harmonic technique: alternate fingering... harmonic fretboard gymastics etc. AND - fastest guitar player in the world is an appalling musician. Hence technique AND a high standard of musicianship don't go hand in hand.

Many more people could jam with SRV's band than PM's band.

[Modes9]

This is a great comment! I would put it this way...How many guys can play burning single note solos on a guitar? Thousands? Tens of Thousands? Now, how many can play great chord melody solos like Van Eps, Lennie Breau, Ted Greene, or Joe Pass? There's a lot more to music and guitar playing than sweeping arpeggios over static chords!

[dodobeurk]

@Modes9

right, but this is pretty dishonest for wolfgang - have you seen other vids of him ?

he really can play !

[Bhab667]

@brambau wooo there little fella, kurt has an amazing tone. and if you think differently then...you are one of the few that thinks that.

[hakanozelguitarist]

"if the literature within that loveletter is deeply profound and indelible, why does that matter?!"

dude trying writing a love letter in green ink and see what her response is! this vid is a heartfelt, profound, sophisticated pean to love written with crayon.

[brambau]

exactly right,

excellent playing

but terrible toy distortion tone

Scofield is the one who does Jazz distortion right

[macabre2007]

This is the best cover so far, of the beautiful 1983 original. But every cover needs to at least represent the original orchestration. It's vital not to lose the original, unfortunately few will get to hear the original as ECM deleted that album (Perchner, Pepl, DeJohnette - Air, Love and Vitamines). ECM ought to at least release the original track. Back to this rendition... the drummer is getting there... better than any I have heared so far... but you really have to hear the original

[earsoup]

great playing, heavy metheny influence.

[MK88Ultra]

this is exactly the way i want to play guitar

[Kaciaron]

che segone...

questo tromba poco e male...

aaaaaahahahaha

;-)

W Gigi D'Alessio

4ever

[marazapan]

God this is jazzy

[gtrs4life]

This guy is great!

[Modes9]

He reminds me of one of my teachers at Ithaca College...a phenomenal guitar player named Rick Beato. I'm sure he and Wolfgang know each other because they both played with Turkish keyboard genius Aydin Esen and studied with the legendary Mick Goodrick.

[seatownjefalltma]

Tone: 10

Technique: 10

Phrasing: 10

Eggness of head:10

Shirt: 2.5

[CTrane88]

ahhhahahah lmao

your comment: 10

[martinfedyna]

SI! Es un Genio este TIPO!

MAgic

[guitarjoe12345]

thank youtube for making it possible for people to be able to see all the amazing music which the publicity deprives us of

[jazztom86]

He's just great, but I don't like when he plays with distortion...

[mpeter8]

me neither.... i'm really not a purist in any way, i play a moded tele myself with effects and stuff, and i tried with lots of pedals, but i just can't get myself to like dist/od

[jazztom86]

mm no, it's not what I mean: I like distortion, but I don't like his od sound.

[trauma15]

man it looks like he is playing a mark 4 thats like full on mesa boogie american voiced rock tone lol.....usually from what ive seen these contemporary jazz guys use fancy stompboxes

[freakguitar1]

need good guitar and tone out of fingers x)

[hernancuevaguitar]

i love muthspiel´s sound. i realy like the distorsion, sounds a little more fusion like his compatriot alex machacek.

[thauser777]

Wolfgang had his lesson before me at Berklee. I remember listening to him outside my teachers room and thinking about packing my bags and heading back home!

[kevinm4435]

kind of reminds me of jan garbarek's recording of witchi-tai-to

[ebutuvul]

this is sounds very european, love it so much! sagmeister trio from germany has similar distortion sounds like this one

[locombian]

to much distortion

[EMont85]

Meh. I can see where you guys might like him, but I really dislike the distorted tone he gets. Plus this song is kinda lame. But whatever.

[futboler454]

I agree about the tone. he didn't really play any ideas that needed distortion to bring them out.

[bradley1107]

I agree. His tone sounds worse than plugging direct into a computer, worse than most line 6 products even. I guess it might be pleasant to some people. Much better sound when its clean. Other than that the song is just whatever, not that great.

[julianurabl]

you try to rate the song without having heard the theme..? judge standards this way :)

[mpdj2706]

wahnsinns stück...

in live natürlich der absolute hammer

[denjz]

Great!And his tone is just awsome!Anybody know what guitar is this?

[KW911]

Some model from heritage. Check out the company's website.

[denjz]

Thanks!!!Looks like Millenium Eagle-I think I wanna get one already!

[vitgit]

Heritage Millennium Standard Ultra

[vitgit]

No,sorry the guitar is Heritage.Millennium Eagle 2000 model.great sound.

[Perdesizguitar]

Great!! Merci

[robotoaster4ever]

muthe kingo bingo