@sweetgreggo, true, going a step further, the only thing noted from Xerox was a simple XY positional pointer concept where you hover over an "object" and if it's within the bounding box, it's selected. If you think about it, it's not really enough to be considered an entire OS. However leave it to apple fans to desperately propagate and exaggerate this point in order to validate their beliefs. Note how apple exaggerates points in order to sell, while both companies use the idea
Apples were pieces of shit in the 1980-1990's and their company failed - they have nobody else to blame but themselves. This video, or special is stupid.
Why are they mentioning this.
Steve Jobs DID NOT invent shit. Watch The Pirates of Silicon Valley - You'll see that Bill and "his mates" didn't invent anything either!
One thing for sure is...Gates seems like a fairly nice person, genuinely.
Apple lovers will always stand against microsoft and vice and versa. Truth is, it is not about whos and whens. It doesn't matter if Jobs or Gates made this or that, they didn't do much really in terms of programming/engineering/designing - their employees did. What they are great at (and what they should be admired for) is being visionary entrepreneurs - and that is what matters.
Microsoft has had great success because of great business decisions of course but ALSO because they had great products.
They had an operating system that worked on a wide range of computers from very cheap to high end. It worked with a wide array of third part peripherals. Apple on the other hand had an OS that worked well but was tied to expensive machines with limited third part support. To pretend that MS could have had all the success it has had with crappy products is an idiot.
@mygaffer Details matters here. MS is successful because they maneuvered brilliantly in the business arena in the past. They have essentially 2 successful product line: Windows and Office. Nearly everything else they make is a derivative of other's success. And often do not bring anything new to their respective markets because they were indeed 3rd rate. You can tell because none of their competitors would follow/copy them in these 3rd rate products. Past products from CES are great examples.
@hmwillow Apple copied the idea of a GUI from Zerox Parc, but they did not steal it. Gaining access to Parc was part of the purchase price when Zerox became an investor in Apple.
"No, Steve, I think its more like we both have a rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said. "Hey that's no fair! I wanted to steal the TV set! - Bill Gates' response after Steve Jobs accused Microsoft of borrowing the GUI from Apple.
@54321thedeathbed Apple is programmed more stable and fast. has editing programs for kids. Miocrosoft is just lucky to have the more programs and games.
@Phenom69ll i know. macs are far better for 'the rest of us.' if people wanna play games, just get a regular pc, it really doesnt matter. and by 'regular' it is like 300 bucks
@Phenom69ll Apple is Unix-based. They even stole their kernel from somewhere else. All together, it has become the most worst OS ever. Even Windows 7 boots faster on a Mac then OS X itself. So I don't think it's faster. Microsoft has more programs and games beceause there programming languages are much better then Apple's.
@54321thedeathbed Beceause Microsoft copied the idea of a graphical interface from Xerox, the company from which Apple buyed the idea. And Microsoft has made it waaays better. Apple crashed 2 years after the release of Windows 95.
@MegaDehumanizer Apple might justify their pricing mechanism economically, but that's irrelevant. If the product takes too much to produce, and there are better alternatives, the right thing to do is not produce it. The unfortunate fact of the matter is you can get better hardware, for cheaper, at other places, and in greater quantities. As a hardware company, it just happens to be their business to sell antiquated technology.
They succeed because ignorant people/hipsters think they're fancy.
@TheIncognitusMe They succeed because their hardware and software is so closely integrated and smooth that it is worth that extra price. their machines are easier to use, they last longer, and they keep their value much more than a windows computer. of course windows have so many good reasons to buy one over a mac, im not going to argue with that, but some people see a mac as the better computer, and some people think windows are better. you should respect each decision even if you don't agree.
@madjamie17 I can respect people who buy Macs with purpose. Like you say, their hardware is fast when it does the things it does. I can't respect people who buy Macs just to. For the price of a mid-line Mac, you could literally get 2 PCs that are better, hardware wise, than a Mac.
But yes, Macs have their use. You should do research before spending that much money, since most users are not going to be using the hardware or software to its potential.
@TheIncognitusMe trust me i did my research when i bought my mac. and i have never even thought about ever buying another windows computer. the extra money in my opinion is totally worth the decreased hassle.
@MegaDehumanizer Oh, I don't wonder why. I know why. It's because they can. It's because they know dumb people, like yourself, will buy them.
Sorry for calling you dumb, but insulting someone isn't a way to have a discussion. If you didn't have an argument for what I said, you should have just not posted at all. Because now you are just kind of a dickhead Apple fanboy not interested in justifying their position.
@MegaDehumanizer You might also consider someone telling you not to stick a butter knife in an electric socket "telling you what to do." Of course, I can't make you not do it. I can give you good reasons why you shouldn't, like you might die, or it'll hurt really bad. But ultimately it's up to you to make a decision. Just like it's up to you to decide if you want to spend $1400 for a computer, or $700 for the same computer with a different label.
@MegaDehumanizer Oh, did I say people should buy what I tell them to? I must have missed it when I was saying the words I said. If you could please highlight where I said that, I would be happy to not respond because I never said that.
Apple and Windows machines are apples and apples. If you want to buy a $2000 apple instead of a $600 apple, that is your choice. But anyone knowledgable apple buyer would know better than to spend $2000 for an at-best, $500 apple.
Steve Jobs DROPPED ACID and considered it one of the most important experiences of his life. So now all of you have to do acid or some type of psychedelic. You have to.
Not to mention they sell hardware at exorbitant prices. They make their money off of ignorant rubes who are interested in brand names. The ONLY reason to own a Mac is if you are interested in the great development environment. No casual user has any justification to own one, because you can buy a Windows machine, or even a Linux machine, for 3x cheaper, which do the same or even better.
"instead of innovation & being original while making great products."
You can tell you have a vested interested in Apple. I'm more interested in what you mean when you say "being innovative." What exactly did Apple create that was original? The home computer? No. Home computers with user interfaces? They used Xerox's technology on existing PC technology. Mobile phones? Not even close. Tablet computers? 8 years late.
The only good thing Apple did was make them popular.
@TheIncognitusMe they reinnovate old technology that has failed in the past, tablets failed back in the early 00's. So then apple comes in when everyone forgot about tablets and slaps on an apple logo and it becomes a market success. Same thing with the iphone. My dad owned a touch screen phone that used a stylus by HP, they failed and later we see the iphone in 2007.
@Falador321 Failed in the past? How did tablets fail, exactly? And what exactly did Apple do to make them better, other than adding a touch screen? They already make cheaper tablets that are capable of the same and more than the iPad. The only difference is the brand.
And how did smart phones fail? Everyone had a black berry before the android and iphones came around.
Bill Gates greatest achievement was to create the separation between hardware and software. Thats the model that has 90% of the world market. The fact that you can buy a computer of any manufacturer you want or customize your computer that fits your needs is by far a greater achievement.
How does freedom of choice be categorized as a bad thing.
My thoughts on Microsoft is they were the biggest con-men in history. Bill Gates conned or "bluffed" I.B.M. into to a seat at the table with nothing. Then conned Steve Jobs that he was his friend, Then stole from him. Then conned Americans with Windows 95.
In the end they never really did shit buy lie, cheat, and steal there way to the top. The amazing thing is people applaud Gates for his actions and then occupy wall street for doing the same thing to them. Suckers!
@ha1e jobs was smart enough to stole it from xerox park..and thanks god he did cause if it wasnt for jobs we wouldnt have the technology that we have today!
@mariosfkhewo Jobs did not steal shit from Xerox. He was invited and Xerox sold him the rights. PARC even warned Xerox about what they were doing. In the end Xerox sold the rights away and went down in history as the biggest mistake in business.
What is it with you people can't you even do a simple search on the subject and stop repeating what some other idiot said.
IN case no one remembers the Triumph of the Nerds program, this video has been edited. After the Microsoft/84 Mac commercial part at the beginning, there was a segment on Xerox PARC and the invention of the GUI. That has been edited out to make it look like Cringely is saying that Apple invented the GUI.
steve jobs: "I'm one of those people who doesnt care about being right", then in another interview he was bitching about ibm 'not being right to apple' (his exact words). Thers no doubt steve jobs greatly influenced the pc scene but hes also an asshole hypocrite when things dont go his way.
@EMPERORMIKI zune is not a pc or dont you realize that? if i wanted to buy a music player it would be a sony walkman not a zune or ipod, my wife actually has a sony md player which is even better. apple did well once they moved away from computers onto commercial products. as for discontinued jab there is a lot of talk apple may stop making MacOS computers or at least the tower PowerMac and focus on iOS products. if that happens then what does your statement mean then?
@rostant999 I was talking about the companies, which is what I thought you were talking about as well. Sony md player ... didn't let your wife buy an ipod? Reminds me of one of my friends dad who is a PC fanboy who got my friend a zune for christmas (yikes) and my friend asked to exchange it for an ipod and his dad went apeshit. LOL as mad as he was youd think my friend told him he was gay or something like that rofl. PC fanboys are hilarious.
@EMPERORMIKI i was talking about these companies in the computer business. ipod vs zune is irrelevant. btw my wife prefers sony md player and has owned 2. she could buy an ipod if she wantd one, she doesn't. in asia sony music players are considered just as good as an ipod. it has better sound quality and allows you to record music and keep it without also having a PC. but that is nothing to do with PC business which is what i was talking about.
@rostant999 again I thought you meant Microsoft in particular and Apple ... and I was kidding about your wife you don't seem like a fanatic lol. Would the financial success of a company matter at all? In that case Apple is clearly the winner by far, unless you're lumping every other tech company together as one group which would make you seem a little more than biased. What evidence do you have that apple is not as good or as useful as PC's in business?
@EMPERORMIKI I work in finance investments / hedge funds and you see offices full of PC i have never seen a Mac in one. Mac cant run finance software like Excel VBA, bloomberg etc, ... and it is not so great to network, if you use it at home it is good if you want to work with others in an office it is not and that is a market Apple doesn't even seem to care about. now maybe tey dont ven cae about MacOS anymore either.
@rostant999 so your evidence is your own personal experiences in which the monotonous workplace you work in and others you have seen do not have Macs ... compelling. Can Macs run other finance software and why are Macs not so great for networking? Is this problem you perceive inherent to Macs and if so why?
@rostant999 Rumors of Apple discontinuing Mac business should be compared to reality. Mac revenue and volume per year has steadily increased every year:
@ribaldi the iOS products are growing much faster. mac lost out to windows in the 90s so i can understand them thinking of closing it down and shifting everything to iOS. why compete in a battle they lost decade ago in a few years ARM chips may be able to power computers as fast as present day Mac and getting rid of Mac allows apple to focus on one platform not two. it does make sense. if IBM can sell off their PC business so could Apple. wait and see what happens
@rostant999 Why would anyone give up 20% of their annual revenue when the sector producing it is continuously growing at about 25%. The profit Apple makes with Macs is greater than the likes of Dell+Acer and nearly as much as HP. IBM sold off their PC division because of diminishing profits. You have market share sickness. Bottom line is profit.
You don't get it. Platform isn't the device or OS anymore. It's now the network. There's one that Apple focuses on. Guess what it's called.
@ribaldi the "network" is moving to wireless devices which is what the iOS devices target. thats why HDD and optical drives are being dropped. marginfor a Mac someone said is 25%?? it used to be 50%. if one product line (iOS) is growing 3X faster and has >50% market share vs <5% market share and lower margins for an older slower growing product which do you go with? the thing holding this back is ARM chips aren't yet powerful enough but in 2 years things will change.
@rostant999 When significantly profitable, you go with both. The network as platform isn't wireless devices per se. It's digital content distribution. Past platform model couples OS with device. Now it's network providing services to multiple device types. Give you a second guess.
50% margin were in the deep dark past of the 80s and 90s when sales were about 1 million units per year. Now it's 16 million per year. 50% margin x 1 million or 25% margin x 16 million. Which would you rather have?
@rostant999 MIT (Ivan Sutherland) + SNRI (Doug Engelbart) paved way for Xerox Parc. Xerox paved way for Apple. Apple paved way for Microsoft. That's how I understand it. Search Ivan Sutherland and Doug Engelbart on youtube for more.
"There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code." No products? Xerox STAR. Software is ever complete? The Mac runs on Linux now. The mouse and gui came from alto they show that right in this video. Apple hired Alan Kay from Xerox who envisioned the Dynabook.? The gui was not patentable. But when Apple sued Microsoft over the gui Xerox in turn sued Apple. Why would do that if Apple had paid not "payed" for "permission" not icensing to use the gui and mouse?
The presenter also seems to neglect that Win95 was aimed for interchangeable hardware. Apple seemed to be so good because they also used their own hardware. A flexible system is way more complex
Yes UI elements were ripped off, but that happens all the time. Win95 was far more advanced then MacOS in the core. It wasn't till MacOS10 that Apple caught up for the most part in serving flexible configurations.
So why did MS REALLY become #1? Not because they stole any ideas, it's because they really pushed the license of their OS. While Apple (Read Steve Jobs) was a control freak. Which only paid off decades later, and in the non-PC arena. Mac still lags horribly behind, no matter how they skew their numbers. And Apple would love to not even carry Macs anymore. It's all iPhone, iPad, and to a lesser extend iPod, now.
I love how they skip right from IBM/Windows DOS straight to Windows 95 and plug Apple in the middle somehow. It's a weird re-imagining of history. This piece makes it seem like Windows didn't have a GUI before 95 and they got it all from Apple. Win95 was the natural successor to 3.1 and 3.0. Windows 95 did borrow heavily from Apple, but why wouldn't you steal the best features of your competitor's products? It's just a weird ad hoc explanation for why MSFT dominated the desktop.
Jobs said that Gates was a big stupid and couldn't create anything. Now that Jobs is dead, how Microsoft is going to survive stealing good ideas?? Lesson that can be learned from Gates, you don't have to be smart to make money, just steal, hahahaha!!!
who cares really, apple is just mad that they didnt make it work like windows. LIke windows is mad that they couldnt get the smartphone off like apple.
with all these lawsuits from apple makes me think that ford will suit all who used an assembly line
@Tanas666 dude, I really don't care about your pathetic little anti-Apple cliches. I have no horse in this race, I simply know my history. But, as I made the astute and accurate observation earlier that you're an idiot, you're not capable of reasoning the finer points of intellectual property or innovation.
@fpsBeaTt I can see that the thumbs up on my comment have really got to you. If I knew at the time of posting it, that I was going to upset certain people, I would never have done it. So don' t be mad, brah, life's to short to be worrying about something so trivial, as thumbs up on a youtube comment. Peace and happy global warming.
@ha1e If you really believe that, keep dreaming bastard. Windows has more programs because most programers think its easier to program for it, and they'll get every computer user by writing once. Windows got ahead not by being better, they got ahead because they bought DOS, then licensed it to IBM to sell to consumers, and then put a GUI on top of it by copying from Macintosh prototypes without permission.
@ha1e ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? HOW IS EVERYBODY GETTING THIS WRONG? After Steve Jobs saw it at Xerox, he thought it could be something great, so he cut a deal with Xerox to do it over from the ground up. As well, if I recall correctly, Xerox saw it as a tool to help printing features while Jobs saw it as a tool to work across the entire OS. Nobody wanted the GUI or mouse (even IBM) until Steve Jobs put it in the Lisa and Macintosh and people started buying it.
WRONG, it takes innovative people to bring ideas into reality and to get people to use them. Some people think Jobs just stole the GUI from Xerox...WRONG. Apple was working on their own GUI at the time. In exchange for Jobs' visit to Xerox to see what they were doing with GUI, XEROX RECEIVED VALUABLE PRE-IPO APPLE STOCK. Many Xerox engineers joined Apple because Xerox was doing nothing with their GUI. Xerox was well compensated for their contribution to the GUI from Apple.
@ha1e HELLO??? I'm so sick of hearing people talking about how Apple "stole" from Xerox. No, they didn't! They invited Steve in because they wanted to invest in Apple, and they were giving him tech they didn't want so he'd allow them some shares. (from user lucylovesguitar)
@EmmanuelGoldstein2 Like they said though. Xerox weren't doing anything with it, and their exces couldn't see the wood for the trees. It seems all above board and not what I'd call "stolen"?
@projekted There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code. They only had an idea for a GUI. Apple payed Xerox really good to use this idea. Apple innovated how to make a working gui. Microsoft used mac prototypes to copy windows. Microsoft didn't have permission and did not pay for it.
@realshompa you're an idiot....no products, no final code, only and idiot? YOU'RE A DUMBASS, HOW MUCH OF AN APPLE FANBOY CAN YOU BE? Xerox HAD PRODUCTS, they actually showed the GUI applications to jobs and they invented the mouse to go along with it. SO HOW IS THAT NOT HAVING A PRODUCT? jobs stole the idea and the products.
@realshompa you're wrong, Xerox DID have a product, in fact they had already launched a personal computer with a GUI into the market, however it was expensive, performed poorly and as such didn't sell well. Go google Xerox Star and read up on it. Apple essentially tricked Xerox's HQ into letting them see the inner workings of the device (much to the protest of the Xerox employees directly working on it) and stole the idea.
@realshompa But Apple should have credited the Xerox PARC team from the start, perhaps even hired them. It's not about the money exchanged, but giving credit where credit is due.
@realshompa "Microsoft used mac prototypes to copy windows. Microsoft didn't have permission and did not pay for it." How can Mac prototypes run on MS-DOS?
Mac OS X is a BSD operating system, and you can get BSD for free legally.
Back in the day, nobody used a Mac, these days Macs are ripoffs! If Microsoft stole from Apple, then Apple took advantage of innocent people publishing freeware Operating Systems.
How do you think Microsoft could get the prototypes in the first place anyway?
@realshompa "There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code." No products? Xerox STAR. Software is ever complete? The Mac runs on Linux now. The mouse and gui came from alto they show that right in this video. Apple hired Alan Kay from Xerox who envisioned the Dynabook.? The gui was not patentable. But when Apple sued Microsoft over the gui Xerox in turn sued Apple. Why would do that if Apple had paid not "payed" for "permission" not icensing to use the gui and mouse?
Honestly, if steve didnt pull the strings he did. They would have been totally overshadowed by MS and wouldnt exist today. We would be playing with Zunes instead of iPods
@MrDopeddoped Because Apple licensed the windowing code to MS to use for Windows 1, and they were supposed to stop using it after that. MS used actual Apple code, and they did it again with Video For Windows, which was code taken from QuickTime. The fact that MS infringed on Apple patens is why Gates "invested" money in Apple and did the cross patent licensing deal.
@MrFrankello Ok, so when you die, I can already tell, you won't be missed by me and hope you'll burn in hell.
I guess you are pro-Microsoft. Oh well, 90% of Windows OS is based over Mac OS. Wonder who is stealing who... Must be Bill Gates and MicroSoft not having any original ideas.
STFU & GTFO for saying bullshit and being stupid MicroSoFAG ?
iOS is better...
TheMursk 3 days ago
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RogerFrei 1 week ago
Lisa is Siri's mom.
priyonjoni 1 week ago
This is complete BS. It's the other way around. Mirsoft made the first versions of Apple's OS.
rockindoodcm 1 week ago
@rockindoodcm Microsoft never made OS for Apple. But Microsoft has been developing sw for Apple's OS since the Apple ][ days.
ribaldi 6 days ago
MS didn't get the idea of Windows from Apple, it came from Xerox. To say it came from Apple is FALSE.
sweetgreggo 2 weeks ago 4
@sweetgreggo, true, going a step further, the only thing noted from Xerox was a simple XY positional pointer concept where you hover over an "object" and if it's within the bounding box, it's selected. If you think about it, it's not really enough to be considered an entire OS. However leave it to apple fans to desperately propagate and exaggerate this point in order to validate their beliefs. Note how apple exaggerates points in order to sell, while both companies use the idea
rfsent5 1 week ago
@rfsent5 It's one thing to sell and market. It's another to follow up with a successful eco-system and continually to affect whole industries.
ribaldi 2 days ago
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TheLinuswa 2 weeks ago
wait so steve jobs stole the user interface?
rr5001 3 weeks ago 2
@rr5001 I think that he did and made it a lot better than it was on the other system! :)
BrandonScott1001 2 weeks ago
@BrandonScott1001 agreed. but that means he's no better than Zuckerburg, or rather how he was portrayed in the Social Network.
rr5001 2 weeks ago
Oh, i remember this, the 1985 commercial.
rr5001 3 weeks ago
Bill Gates didn't invent the windows GUI style, but neither did Steve Jobs.. IBM did.. They both stole it.. Steve Jobs just stole it first...
Guhrish 3 weeks ago
@Guhrish XEROX, not IBM you fuck.
anguruso 3 weeks ago
@anguruso Jobs and Gates made GUI affordable though.
ribaldi 2 weeks ago
Boohoo.
Apples were pieces of shit in the 1980-1990's and their company failed - they have nobody else to blame but themselves. This video, or special is stupid.
Why are they mentioning this.
Steve Jobs DID NOT invent shit. Watch The Pirates of Silicon Valley - You'll see that Bill and "his mates" didn't invent anything either!
One thing for sure is...Gates seems like a fairly nice person, genuinely.
gnkVLCT 3 weeks ago
anyone else find it creepily awkward that the host is shown laying on the Microsoft sign?
bigtakeshi 4 weeks ago 6
Wow is this a propaganda film?
PittSpeedy 4 weeks ago
Linux rules. Let Apple and Microsoft sue each other to oblivion.
Microsoft is for games. Apple is for pretending you're hip in coffee shops.
Photobyke 4 weeks ago 2
Apple lovers will always stand against microsoft and vice and versa. Truth is, it is not about whos and whens. It doesn't matter if Jobs or Gates made this or that, they didn't do much really in terms of programming/engineering/designing - their employees did. What they are great at (and what they should be admired for) is being visionary entrepreneurs - and that is what matters.
ytuGEBioR 1 month ago
Good lord am I glad Jobs is fucking dead.
DarkMatterX1 1 month ago
@DarkMatterX1 your glad a human is died
duckiegoesquackie 1 month ago in playlist Steve Jobs
Microsoft has had great success because of great business decisions of course but ALSO because they had great products.
They had an operating system that worked on a wide range of computers from very cheap to high end. It worked with a wide array of third part peripherals. Apple on the other hand had an OS that worked well but was tied to expensive machines with limited third part support. To pretend that MS could have had all the success it has had with crappy products is an idiot.
mygaffer 1 month ago
@mygaffer Details matters here. MS is successful because they maneuvered brilliantly in the business arena in the past. They have essentially 2 successful product line: Windows and Office. Nearly everything else they make is a derivative of other's success. And often do not bring anything new to their respective markets because they were indeed 3rd rate. You can tell because none of their competitors would follow/copy them in these 3rd rate products. Past products from CES are great examples.
ribaldi 1 month ago
Title should be: "Where Apple copied their Mac from".
hmwillow 1 month ago
@hmwillow Apple copied the idea of a GUI from Zerox Parc, but they did not steal it. Gaining access to Parc was part of the purchase price when Zerox became an investor in Apple.
acoow 1 month ago
@hmwillow how?
54321thedeathbed 1 month ago
@54321thedeathbed
Quoting Bill Gates:
"No, Steve, I think its more like we both have a rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said. "Hey that's no fair! I wanted to steal the TV set! - Bill Gates' response after Steve Jobs accused Microsoft of borrowing the GUI from Apple.
hmwillow 1 month ago
@hmwillow ok? if apple is so bad, then why DID microsoft copy the mac? and how was he there first... when he was writing DOS?
54321thedeathbed 1 month ago
@54321thedeathbed Apple is programmed more stable and fast. has editing programs for kids. Miocrosoft is just lucky to have the more programs and games.
Phenom69ll 1 month ago
@Phenom69ll i know. macs are far better for 'the rest of us.' if people wanna play games, just get a regular pc, it really doesnt matter. and by 'regular' it is like 300 bucks
54321thedeathbed 1 month ago
@Phenom69ll Apple is Unix-based. They even stole their kernel from somewhere else. All together, it has become the most worst OS ever. Even Windows 7 boots faster on a Mac then OS X itself. So I don't think it's faster. Microsoft has more programs and games beceause there programming languages are much better then Apple's.
murdoch201 3 weeks ago
@murdoch201 PFFS the guys at Apple don't even know how to apply thermal paste correctly
Phenom69ll 3 weeks ago
@54321thedeathbed Beceause Microsoft copied the idea of a graphical interface from Xerox, the company from which Apple buyed the idea. And Microsoft has made it waaays better. Apple crashed 2 years after the release of Windows 95.
murdoch201 3 weeks ago
@murdoch201 wtf?
54321thedeathbed 3 weeks ago
"Paint me like one of your french girls.."
fluffboyjr12 1 month ago 2
@fluffboyjr12 Thought the same thing lol
mdossantos047 1 month ago
so, the idea came from XEROX!
marky32767 1 month ago
Amiga does GUI best
saltima 1 month ago
wow this documentary is so inncorect
Davester03 1 month ago
Wow at the first shot. They really couldn't think of anything better to open this documentary with?
FrozenAtrox 1 month ago
@MegaDehumanizer Apple might justify their pricing mechanism economically, but that's irrelevant. If the product takes too much to produce, and there are better alternatives, the right thing to do is not produce it. The unfortunate fact of the matter is you can get better hardware, for cheaper, at other places, and in greater quantities. As a hardware company, it just happens to be their business to sell antiquated technology.
They succeed because ignorant people/hipsters think they're fancy.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@TheIncognitusMe They succeed because their hardware and software is so closely integrated and smooth that it is worth that extra price. their machines are easier to use, they last longer, and they keep their value much more than a windows computer. of course windows have so many good reasons to buy one over a mac, im not going to argue with that, but some people see a mac as the better computer, and some people think windows are better. you should respect each decision even if you don't agree.
madjamie17 1 month ago
@madjamie17 I can respect people who buy Macs with purpose. Like you say, their hardware is fast when it does the things it does. I can't respect people who buy Macs just to. For the price of a mid-line Mac, you could literally get 2 PCs that are better, hardware wise, than a Mac.
But yes, Macs have their use. You should do research before spending that much money, since most users are not going to be using the hardware or software to its potential.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@TheIncognitusMe trust me i did my research when i bought my mac. and i have never even thought about ever buying another windows computer. the extra money in my opinion is totally worth the decreased hassle.
madjamie17 1 month ago
@MegaDehumanizer Oh, I don't wonder why. I know why. It's because they can. It's because they know dumb people, like yourself, will buy them.
Sorry for calling you dumb, but insulting someone isn't a way to have a discussion. If you didn't have an argument for what I said, you should have just not posted at all. Because now you are just kind of a dickhead Apple fanboy not interested in justifying their position.
Thanks for your time though.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@MegaDehumanizer You might also consider someone telling you not to stick a butter knife in an electric socket "telling you what to do." Of course, I can't make you not do it. I can give you good reasons why you shouldn't, like you might die, or it'll hurt really bad. But ultimately it's up to you to make a decision. Just like it's up to you to decide if you want to spend $1400 for a computer, or $700 for the same computer with a different label.
It's just a bit wasteful, is all.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@MegaDehumanizer It is, but he didn't say you should do everything he says.
iEatPorkchop 1 month ago
@MegaDehumanizer Oh, did I say people should buy what I tell them to? I must have missed it when I was saying the words I said. If you could please highlight where I said that, I would be happy to not respond because I never said that.
Apple and Windows machines are apples and apples. If you want to buy a $2000 apple instead of a $600 apple, that is your choice. But anyone knowledgable apple buyer would know better than to spend $2000 for an at-best, $500 apple.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
Steve Jobs DROPPED ACID and considered it one of the most important experiences of his life. So now all of you have to do acid or some type of psychedelic. You have to.
NinetiesYouth 1 month ago
get the fuck off the the sign when you are doing the interview. its disrepectful. atleast lie on the sign when you are not interviewing
ChaozXIII 1 month ago
"Way too much for the average pc buyer" At least they stood by their word till this day.
ToxicatedLum 1 month ago
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ToxicatedLum 1 month ago
its all xerox's idea. steve and bill were liars
kronus007 1 month ago
huu
kronus007 1 month ago
Not to mention they sell hardware at exorbitant prices. They make their money off of ignorant rubes who are interested in brand names. The ONLY reason to own a Mac is if you are interested in the great development environment. No casual user has any justification to own one, because you can buy a Windows machine, or even a Linux machine, for 3x cheaper, which do the same or even better.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
"instead of innovation & being original while making great products."
You can tell you have a vested interested in Apple. I'm more interested in what you mean when you say "being innovative." What exactly did Apple create that was original? The home computer? No. Home computers with user interfaces? They used Xerox's technology on existing PC technology. Mobile phones? Not even close. Tablet computers? 8 years late.
The only good thing Apple did was make them popular.
They did not innovate.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
@TheIncognitusMe they reinnovate old technology that has failed in the past, tablets failed back in the early 00's. So then apple comes in when everyone forgot about tablets and slaps on an apple logo and it becomes a market success. Same thing with the iphone. My dad owned a touch screen phone that used a stylus by HP, they failed and later we see the iphone in 2007.
Falador321 1 month ago
@Falador321 Failed in the past? How did tablets fail, exactly? And what exactly did Apple do to make them better, other than adding a touch screen? They already make cheaper tablets that are capable of the same and more than the iPad. The only difference is the brand.
And how did smart phones fail? Everyone had a black berry before the android and iphones came around.
TheIncognitusMe 1 month ago
yeah blll gates is the evil one. look at how people at 3:22 view steve jobs for petes sake. this whole movie was probably made by apple.
ej4273 2 months ago
Bill Gates greatest achievement was to create the separation between hardware and software. Thats the model that has 90% of the world market. The fact that you can buy a computer of any manufacturer you want or customize your computer that fits your needs is by far a greater achievement.
How does freedom of choice be categorized as a bad thing.
antoniovv51 2 months ago
My thoughts on Microsoft is they were the biggest con-men in history. Bill Gates conned or "bluffed" I.B.M. into to a seat at the table with nothing. Then conned Steve Jobs that he was his friend, Then stole from him. Then conned Americans with Windows 95.
In the end they never really did shit buy lie, cheat, and steal there way to the top. The amazing thing is people applaud Gates for his actions and then occupy wall street for doing the same thing to them. Suckers!
WizzRacing 2 months ago
@ha1e jobs was smart enough to stole it from xerox park..and thanks god he did cause if it wasnt for jobs we wouldnt have the technology that we have today!
mariosfkhewo 2 months ago
@mariosfkhewo Jobs did not steal shit from Xerox. He was invited and Xerox sold him the rights. PARC even warned Xerox about what they were doing. In the end Xerox sold the rights away and went down in history as the biggest mistake in business.
What is it with you people can't you even do a simple search on the subject and stop repeating what some other idiot said.
WizzRacing 2 months ago
Paint me like one of your french girls!
ymom11 2 months ago 2
IN case no one remembers the Triumph of the Nerds program, this video has been edited. After the Microsoft/84 Mac commercial part at the beginning, there was a segment on Xerox PARC and the invention of the GUI. That has been edited out to make it look like Cringely is saying that Apple invented the GUI.
mbrown5465 2 months ago
1:39-1:45 I know at there will be at least one person who will never use bill's poor excuse for an OS. This guy. MICROSOFT SUCKSSSS!!!
PurpleFurryFox77 2 months ago
steve jobs: "I'm one of those people who doesnt care about being right", then in another interview he was bitching about ibm 'not being right to apple' (his exact words). Thers no doubt steve jobs greatly influenced the pc scene but hes also an asshole hypocrite when things dont go his way.
700gsteak 2 months ago
did it really come from apple or from xerox through apple.
this hype about apple is so wrong, macs are no where as useful for work / business as a PC.
as for sucess how many computers run windows vs apple mac os??? isn;t like 9:1 in favour of windows. so who won???
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 lol ... zune is discontinued rofl who won?
EMPERORMIKI 2 months ago
@EMPERORMIKI zune is not a pc or dont you realize that? if i wanted to buy a music player it would be a sony walkman not a zune or ipod, my wife actually has a sony md player which is even better. apple did well once they moved away from computers onto commercial products. as for discontinued jab there is a lot of talk apple may stop making MacOS computers or at least the tower PowerMac and focus on iOS products. if that happens then what does your statement mean then?
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 I was talking about the companies, which is what I thought you were talking about as well. Sony md player ... didn't let your wife buy an ipod? Reminds me of one of my friends dad who is a PC fanboy who got my friend a zune for christmas (yikes) and my friend asked to exchange it for an ipod and his dad went apeshit. LOL as mad as he was youd think my friend told him he was gay or something like that rofl. PC fanboys are hilarious.
EMPERORMIKI 2 months ago
@EMPERORMIKI i was talking about these companies in the computer business. ipod vs zune is irrelevant. btw my wife prefers sony md player and has owned 2. she could buy an ipod if she wantd one, she doesn't. in asia sony music players are considered just as good as an ipod. it has better sound quality and allows you to record music and keep it without also having a PC. but that is nothing to do with PC business which is what i was talking about.
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 again I thought you meant Microsoft in particular and Apple ... and I was kidding about your wife you don't seem like a fanatic lol. Would the financial success of a company matter at all? In that case Apple is clearly the winner by far, unless you're lumping every other tech company together as one group which would make you seem a little more than biased. What evidence do you have that apple is not as good or as useful as PC's in business?
EMPERORMIKI 2 months ago
@EMPERORMIKI I work in finance investments / hedge funds and you see offices full of PC i have never seen a Mac in one. Mac cant run finance software like Excel VBA, bloomberg etc, ... and it is not so great to network, if you use it at home it is good if you want to work with others in an office it is not and that is a market Apple doesn't even seem to care about. now maybe tey dont ven cae about MacOS anymore either.
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 so your evidence is your own personal experiences in which the monotonous workplace you work in and others you have seen do not have Macs ... compelling. Can Macs run other finance software and why are Macs not so great for networking? Is this problem you perceive inherent to Macs and if so why?
EMPERORMIKI 2 months ago
@rostant999 Rumors of Apple discontinuing Mac business should be compared to reality. Mac revenue and volume per year has steadily increased every year:
Mac revenue: 2009 - $13.8 billion, 2010 - $17.4 billion, 2011 - $21.7 billion
Mac units sold: 2009 - 10.4 million, 2010 - 13.6 million, 2011 - 16.7 million
10K summary from Yahoo Finance
Average margin is 23.95%. Net profit is basically 1/4 of revenue - about $5 billion in FY2011. Who'd want to discontinue this business?
ribaldi 2 months ago
@ribaldi the iOS products are growing much faster. mac lost out to windows in the 90s so i can understand them thinking of closing it down and shifting everything to iOS. why compete in a battle they lost decade ago in a few years ARM chips may be able to power computers as fast as present day Mac and getting rid of Mac allows apple to focus on one platform not two. it does make sense. if IBM can sell off their PC business so could Apple. wait and see what happens
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 Why would anyone give up 20% of their annual revenue when the sector producing it is continuously growing at about 25%. The profit Apple makes with Macs is greater than the likes of Dell+Acer and nearly as much as HP. IBM sold off their PC division because of diminishing profits. You have market share sickness. Bottom line is profit.
You don't get it. Platform isn't the device or OS anymore. It's now the network. There's one that Apple focuses on. Guess what it's called.
ribaldi 2 months ago
@ribaldi the "network" is moving to wireless devices which is what the iOS devices target. thats why HDD and optical drives are being dropped. marginfor a Mac someone said is 25%?? it used to be 50%. if one product line (iOS) is growing 3X faster and has >50% market share vs <5% market share and lower margins for an older slower growing product which do you go with? the thing holding this back is ARM chips aren't yet powerful enough but in 2 years things will change.
rostant999 2 months ago
@rostant999 When significantly profitable, you go with both. The network as platform isn't wireless devices per se. It's digital content distribution. Past platform model couples OS with device. Now it's network providing services to multiple device types. Give you a second guess.
50% margin were in the deep dark past of the 80s and 90s when sales were about 1 million units per year. Now it's 16 million per year. 50% margin x 1 million or 25% margin x 16 million. Which would you rather have?
ribaldi 2 months ago
@rostant999 MIT (Ivan Sutherland) + SNRI (Doug Engelbart) paved way for Xerox Parc. Xerox paved way for Apple. Apple paved way for Microsoft. That's how I understand it. Search Ivan Sutherland and Doug Engelbart on youtube for more.
ribaldi 2 months ago
how could you take someone who is laying on a microsoft sign seriously?
landesal 2 months ago
"There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code." No products? Xerox STAR. Software is ever complete? The Mac runs on Linux now. The mouse and gui came from alto they show that right in this video. Apple hired Alan Kay from Xerox who envisioned the Dynabook.? The gui was not patentable. But when Apple sued Microsoft over the gui Xerox in turn sued Apple. Why would do that if Apple had paid not "payed" for "permission" not icensing to use the gui and mouse?
PacketFramer 2 months ago
The presenter also seems to neglect that Win95 was aimed for interchangeable hardware. Apple seemed to be so good because they also used their own hardware. A flexible system is way more complex
Yes UI elements were ripped off, but that happens all the time. Win95 was far more advanced then MacOS in the core. It wasn't till MacOS10 that Apple caught up for the most part in serving flexible configurations.
LordKilmir 2 months ago
So why did MS REALLY become #1? Not because they stole any ideas, it's because they really pushed the license of their OS. While Apple (Read Steve Jobs) was a control freak. Which only paid off decades later, and in the non-PC arena. Mac still lags horribly behind, no matter how they skew their numbers. And Apple would love to not even carry Macs anymore. It's all iPhone, iPad, and to a lesser extend iPod, now.
Uridien 2 months ago
@Uridien I doubt Apple would love to not generate $2 billion - $2.2 billion in net profit from Macs last quarter.
ribaldi 2 months ago
I love how they skip right from IBM/Windows DOS straight to Windows 95 and plug Apple in the middle somehow. It's a weird re-imagining of history. This piece makes it seem like Windows didn't have a GUI before 95 and they got it all from Apple. Win95 was the natural successor to 3.1 and 3.0. Windows 95 did borrow heavily from Apple, but why wouldn't you steal the best features of your competitor's products? It's just a weird ad hoc explanation for why MSFT dominated the desktop.
nwfilmschool 2 months ago
In the end everybody copied everybody.
LeaderOfKGB 2 months ago
Jobs said that Gates was a big stupid and couldn't create anything. Now that Jobs is dead, how Microsoft is going to survive stealing good ideas?? Lesson that can be learned from Gates, you don't have to be smart to make money, just steal, hahahaha!!!
emersondoser 2 months ago
RIP steve jobs
TheSaihatStar 2 months ago
Apple stole from Xerox, Microsoft stole from Apple. Moral of the story? Linux.
Jahu124sMinecraft 2 months ago
@Jahu124sMinecraft Linux stole from Windows. Just look at their GUI, unless of course you are going to use nothing but bash.
achan1058 2 months ago
@achan1058 Fine, fine. In that case, LET'S READ BOOKS!
Jahu124sMinecraft 2 months ago
3:34 the world trade centers.
kriskats19 3 months ago
who cares really, apple is just mad that they didnt make it work like windows. LIke windows is mad that they couldnt get the smartphone off like apple.
with all these lawsuits from apple makes me think that ford will suit all who used an assembly line
jetbruceli 3 months ago
He didn't steal it, he developed what was stagnant. It's normal for a visionary to do.
MissTeenPregnancy 3 months ago
weirdest intro to a youtube video ever
kingdza 3 months ago 35
they dont even mention gnu/linux or bsd
izbm666 3 months ago
OMG, "EVEN THE FRECH"???? OMG YAR CRAZY!!! CMON!
excimac 3 months ago
Dont see nothing wrong in stealing from a thief.
Tanas666 3 months ago 9
@Tanas666 I agree completely, Apple stole from Xerox and Microsoft stole from Apple. What goes around, comes around. Karmas a bitch.
rpkziruvar 2 months ago
@Tanas666 you're an idiot.
fpsBeaTt 1 month ago
@fpsBeaTt You really should try taking off those apple tinted glasses and start thinking for yourself, and not let apple think for you.
Tanas666 1 month ago
@Tanas666 dude, I really don't care about your pathetic little anti-Apple cliches. I have no horse in this race, I simply know my history. But, as I made the astute and accurate observation earlier that you're an idiot, you're not capable of reasoning the finer points of intellectual property or innovation.
fpsBeaTt 1 month ago
@fpsBeaTt Still wearing those glasses I see.
Tanas666 1 month ago
@Tanas666 says the idiot that can't see the irony in that statement.
fpsBeaTt 1 month ago
@fpsBeaTt I can see that the thumbs up on my comment have really got to you. If I knew at the time of posting it, that I was going to upset certain people, I would never have done it. So don' t be mad, brah, life's to short to be worrying about something so trivial, as thumbs up on a youtube comment. Peace and happy global warming.
Tanas666 1 month ago
From when is this documentary? Like right after Windows 95 came out?
Does seem pretty '90s...
DamageIncM 3 months ago
its almost like stealing 24billion or something
otterviper 3 months ago
why is this guy spralled out like some greeded up stock bubble boy?
saxonaa 3 months ago
still get nightmares when I remember win 95. Biggest piece of garbage every released.
fenderboy211 3 months ago
Propaganda everything!
Nirvesta 3 months ago
5:10
pjob797 3 months ago
i thought pbs just became full of apple fanboys but its been going on this long ....microsoft FTW!!!!!!
pjob797 3 months ago
Twin towers 3:32 :-(
hollyfigueroaoreilly 3 months ago
basicly jobs stole it from xerox
ha1e 3 months ago 47
@ha1e except that jobs improved what he stole, microsoft made a crap version of what they stole :P
trotskydolan 3 months ago
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ha1e 3 months ago
@ha1e your very very wrong XD
trotskydolan 3 months ago
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ha1e 3 months ago
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@trotskydolan actually mac is a lot worse writen os, that why there is like thousands times more softwares and games on windows then on mac.
ha1e 3 months ago
@ha1e If you really believe that, keep dreaming bastard. Windows has more programs because most programers think its easier to program for it, and they'll get every computer user by writing once. Windows got ahead not by being better, they got ahead because they bought DOS, then licensed it to IBM to sell to consumers, and then put a GUI on top of it by copying from Macintosh prototypes without permission.
rifall 3 months ago
@ha1e ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? HOW IS EVERYBODY GETTING THIS WRONG? After Steve Jobs saw it at Xerox, he thought it could be something great, so he cut a deal with Xerox to do it over from the ground up. As well, if I recall correctly, Xerox saw it as a tool to help printing features while Jobs saw it as a tool to work across the entire OS. Nobody wanted the GUI or mouse (even IBM) until Steve Jobs put it in the Lisa and Macintosh and people started buying it.
rifall 3 months ago
@ha1e
look at the comment below yours... he's absolutely right.
Themightyfinder1 3 months ago
WRONG, it takes innovative people to bring ideas into reality and to get people to use them. Some people think Jobs just stole the GUI from Xerox...WRONG. Apple was working on their own GUI at the time. In exchange for Jobs' visit to Xerox to see what they were doing with GUI, XEROX RECEIVED VALUABLE PRE-IPO APPLE STOCK. Many Xerox engineers joined Apple because Xerox was doing nothing with their GUI. Xerox was well compensated for their contribution to the GUI from Apple.
DontGoToCollege 3 months ago
@ha1e
If Jobs hadn't stolen it, all our computers would have BUILT IN COPY MACHINES!
anthyman1 2 months ago
@ha1e Nope, they gave it to him. They didn't have the vision to market it.
Zubirrex 2 months ago
@ha1e Xerox didn't execute; not executing is failure, Apple is success.
steelmesh 2 months ago
@ha1e and bill stole it from jobs
clonesmustdies 2 months ago
@ha1e Jobs did not steal it, he bought the technology from XEROX, who's "copier heads" administrators could not see any use for that technology.
asarapi 2 months ago
@ha1e
@ha1e Go to wiki...search for PARC (company) and read "adoption by apple"
Xerox was allowed to buy pre IPO stock.. It was a deal.. Xerox sold it to Jobs..
Now f&%K off
adityaambashtha 2 months ago
@adityaambashtha
So they bought it? Hmm, sounds like a business decision, not originality. Why do iFans want to defend Jobs and Apple so much?
eatwoodman 1 month ago
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@ha1e HELLO??? I'm so sick of hearing people talking about how Apple "stole" from Xerox. No, they didn't! They invited Steve in because they wanted to invest in Apple, and they were giving him tech they didn't want so he'd allow them some shares. (from user lucylovesguitar)
eyewarnedyou 2 months ago
How Apple REALLY Became The Inspiration For Microsoft
They got the idea from Xerox. It happens.
urantivirus 3 months ago
@urantivirus yep- that's true. Xerox Palo Alto Research Center. they had the GUI and the Mouse that caught his eye-
lekoos 3 months ago
FUCK YOU!!!! STEVE JOBS WAS THE BEST PERSON EVER!!!!!
spongeyperson1000 3 months ago
@EmmanuelGoldstein2 Like they said though. Xerox weren't doing anything with it, and their exces couldn't see the wood for the trees. It seems all above board and not what I'd call "stolen"?
22ness0hayden 3 months ago
Why do they keep showing pics of Wozniak when talking about Jobs?
22ness0hayden 3 months ago
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Apple employee #31. Yea, that's how we name our people at Apple in the 80s.
tjoinkz 3 months ago
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tjoinkz 3 months ago
So this is about how Microsoft stole Apple's ideas, which were in turn, stolen from Xerox?
projekted 3 months ago 5
@projekted There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code. They only had an idea for a GUI. Apple payed Xerox really good to use this idea. Apple innovated how to make a working gui. Microsoft used mac prototypes to copy windows. Microsoft didn't have permission and did not pay for it.
realshompa 3 months ago 12
@realshompa That's all it was. Stolen ideas, not stolen creations. People steal ideas all the time long before they're brought into reality.
Snapscape 3 months ago
@realshompa So if a guy climbs a tower to steal a flag and another guy uses a bucket truck, only one is thief? Sounds like a politician.
NUTZJ98 3 months ago
@realshompa you're an idiot....no products, no final code, only and idiot? YOU'RE A DUMBASS, HOW MUCH OF AN APPLE FANBOY CAN YOU BE? Xerox HAD PRODUCTS, they actually showed the GUI applications to jobs and they invented the mouse to go along with it. SO HOW IS THAT NOT HAVING A PRODUCT? jobs stole the idea and the products.
VanMedia 3 months ago
@realshompa you're wrong, Xerox DID have a product, in fact they had already launched a personal computer with a GUI into the market, however it was expensive, performed poorly and as such didn't sell well. Go google Xerox Star and read up on it. Apple essentially tricked Xerox's HQ into letting them see the inner workings of the device (much to the protest of the Xerox employees directly working on it) and stole the idea.
seanhinton 2 months ago
@realshompa But Apple should have credited the Xerox PARC team from the start, perhaps even hired them. It's not about the money exchanged, but giving credit where credit is due.
cuvtixo 2 months ago
@realshompa Sadly people still don't get it.
dethmaShine 2 months ago
@realshompa "Microsoft used mac prototypes to copy windows. Microsoft didn't have permission and did not pay for it." How can Mac prototypes run on MS-DOS?
Mac OS X is a BSD operating system, and you can get BSD for free legally.
Back in the day, nobody used a Mac, these days Macs are ripoffs! If Microsoft stole from Apple, then Apple took advantage of innocent people publishing freeware Operating Systems.
How do you think Microsoft could get the prototypes in the first place anyway?
OSDolphin 2 months ago
@realshompa "There is a big difference. Xerox had no products, no final code." No products? Xerox STAR. Software is ever complete? The Mac runs on Linux now. The mouse and gui came from alto they show that right in this video. Apple hired Alan Kay from Xerox who envisioned the Dynabook.? The gui was not patentable. But when Apple sued Microsoft over the gui Xerox in turn sued Apple. Why would do that if Apple had paid not "payed" for "permission" not icensing to use the gui and mouse?
PacketFramer 2 months ago
"Even the french" ? what the fuck with that?
chibraxial 2 months ago
yeah people steal ideas but they figure out ways to make it better. thats what competition is all about.
niquey0223 3 months ago
Honestly, if steve didnt pull the strings he did. They would have been totally overshadowed by MS and wouldnt exist today. We would be playing with Zunes instead of iPods
w00t420 3 months ago
so why apple processed windows in the 90´s telling they stolen his graphic system idea if apple also stolen it from another company?
MrDopeddoped 3 months ago
@MrDopeddoped Because Apple licensed the windowing code to MS to use for Windows 1, and they were supposed to stop using it after that. MS used actual Apple code, and they did it again with Video For Windows, which was code taken from QuickTime. The fact that MS infringed on Apple patens is why Gates "invested" money in Apple and did the cross patent licensing deal.
DavidRavenMoon 3 months ago
@MrDopeddoped Grammar didnt existed.
LatentRecognition 3 months ago
@4Brownie4 one of the best comments I have seen in so long
rickydan1985 3 months ago
R.I.P. Steve Jobs
:(
ninluigi 3 months ago
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@ninluigi fuck steve jobs.happy that thief died.i hope he ll burn in hell
MrFrankello 3 months ago
@MrFrankello Ok, so when you die, I can already tell, you won't be missed by me and hope you'll burn in hell.
I guess you are pro-Microsoft. Oh well, 90% of Windows OS is based over Mac OS. Wonder who is stealing who... Must be Bill Gates and MicroSoft not having any original ideas.
STFU & GTFO for saying bullshit and being stupid MicroSoFAG ?
ninluigi 3 months ago
@MrFrankello And if you were not a stupid troll, you would have watched the video and learn a bit, just sayin' !
ninluigi 3 months ago
@MrFrankello And grow some balls please.
ninluigi 3 months ago
@ninluigi MRFrankello is probably a 9 year stupid ignorant kid...if not he surely thinks and acts like one
cruzdl123 3 months ago
when vista was released it was a piece of crap. But now it is pretty decent do to many updates and patches.
TheDemonicHeretic 3 months ago
WTF? The opening?
Eaglesfaninca 3 months ago 3
I dont care about being right, I just care about success.
Sounds like he could work in a bank.
Thebustermann 3 months ago 2
Bill Gates is a fag!
Sayakawill 3 months ago
I HATE PC's! Nothing but grief! VISTA a good idea?
I LOVE iMAC! Apple products rock the house! The computers come loaded, easy to use everything ready in the box! I miss you Steve Jobs. RIP.
Showgirl7able 3 months ago
@Showgirl7able Not everyone else's fault you are PC stupid. IT doesn't take a genius to know how to run windows trouble free.
crackparty 3 months ago
@crackparty You underestimate the scope of peoples' stupidity.
BEEGER1 3 months ago
@crackparty "IT doesn't take a genius to know how to run windows trouble free." It just takes an sucker who can be convinced it can run trouble free.
AlaskaHome1959 3 months ago