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  • How come when the video shows you shifting up, ( further back cam shot) the tack says around 2,300 rpm, But when you show the other cam, (closer cam), (aswell as verbally instruct to do so) the tack is showing 1,500 rpm - 1,300 rpm??

  • @deadhomie93 I higly doubt I hit 2300... however, I may have been pulling a hill so it may have been higher. The loads I was pulling up0 11% grades were 160,000 lbs so it would take more

  • So when do you single clutch and when do you double clutch???

  • @Marsbonfire007 You only sigle when moving the side button

  • Wow, you only use the clutch downhill, and rev-match the rest of the time! That's shockingly impressive to this average commuter. That clutch must last forever, what about the synchros though?

  • @lvachon There isn't a syncro on rigs. That's why you need to use the double clutch system

  • good i was not making fun of you I think you are actually a good teacher, so keep up the good work, sorry if I was being disrespetful in any way

  • @MatthewJames1985 Sorry, been a long day.

  • so, basically, it's like driving a regular vehicle with manual transmission?

  • @doctorfeelucky The very basics yes, double clutching makes it different

  • wow, only 3k hours? new truck. Just broke 17k on an ol oil field winch tractor

  • You look cool !

  • so ive heard you can shift without really using the clutch, but does that increase wear on the vehicle?

  • @Kopihucky Some say yes, some say no... all depends on if you can do it right

  • that's not double clutching, your not moving the clutch hardly enough to engage it before disengaging it. and people might think your crazy for not putting it to the floor because you didn't explain the second half of the clutch is a clutch brake for when your not moving. and the last point I want to make is when you were shifting (I am guessing without the clutch) you didn't explain that it was flat shifting that you can do as long as you get the right rpm on the engine to not grind.

  • @LtSprau4020 Perhaps you missed the word QUICK in the title. If you expect people to watch this video, then hop in a truck and know enough to pass a test with out proper schooling, you need help. Then again, if I shifted in the video the way I did... maybe, just maybe, it was done the right way as deep as THAT truck was set...

  • @LtSprau4020 also, in some trucks all you have to move the clutch is just that half inch to engage it at all. Hell some trucks won't shift with the clutch. Older trucks especially don't like the clutch, mostly just power shifting. Because their not synchro mesh transmissions if you match the RPM's with what they would be in the gear your aiming to be in, you can get it into gear without the clutch at all. If you've driven long enough you don't even realize you've stopped using the clutch.

  • I wonder why they take off so slow. maybe because when it's a single trailor you can (legally) haul 80,000 lbs, and with doubles/tripples you are allowed about 125,000 or something like that depending on what your hauling and what you(r) company paid for you to haul. when you are bob tailing (no trailor) you can start off in the high gears, if you want, but is better to start off in the last gear or 2 of the low gears. and anyone who says trucks are slow is full of shit i have seen them over 100

  • IM 20..AND MY UNCLE DRIVES FOR TYSON. THE YEAR IS 2010 I FORGOT THE MAKE BUT ITS POWERED BY MERCEDES BENZ... AND HE LET ME DROVE HIS WITHOUT THE TRAILER FOR 6 MILES....THE FUNNEST PART WAS MAKING WIDE TURNS AND WHEN I WAS IN THE LOWER GEAR I ALWAYS PRESS THE GAS PEDAL HARD SO I COULD SPEED UP... THOSE SUCKERS TAKE OFF MIGHTY SLOW. BUT IT WAS SO FUN....

  • I usally down shift around 1000-900 rpms but I'm driving a 10 speed DD15 in a Cascadia...

  • your seatbelt looks just like mine!

  • thanks man the video helped

  • Cool vid, but i don't even bother looking at the rpm anymore... Just go off of What i hear..

  • i can't believe the losers commenting here. the guy is doing a tutorial. grow up you freaks.

  • Rookie

  • @fluffman93312 Your right, that's who this video is for. CONGRATS

  • @seansuth

    How the fuck is there a HALF GEAR? Im a car guy not semi guy but semi's are cool.

  • @MrWyneBrown Half gear is a term. Basically, there it two gears in one stick position, so when you switch the buttton, your "splitting" that shift in two gears

  • Use the clutch to start,stop,and go into reverse.

  • I guess that is the way you like doing it... except for some serious heavy haul tho.. the clutch is needed for 1st and reverse only... o r haven't you figured that out? Buck up.

  • @SirTrews34 I guess you havent figured out what a tutorial is for?

  • @SirTrews34 Dont use the clutch and you risk trashing the transmission :P

  • Haha. You need to do somethin' different with your face hairs...

  • What are some other jobs I could get with an AZ rather then going long distances, dump truck on a construction site any others?

  • @FrenchyDuckbill There's a lot of companies that do regional work. Most often home every night, or every other night

  • @seansuth Look into LTL freight companies. Generally the best pay and benefits. City drivers 45-60k per year. Line haul drivers 50k-75k. Team drivers 65-80k. Where I work top hourly is $23 or mileage is $.53 per mile for line haul drivers. Atlanta to Jacksonville FL and back pays $342. We have guys that do that 5 times a week. Extra board drivers get 3k miles per week or a little more. You will start out in the city P&D most likely until you get enough seniority to get a line haul bid.

  • thanks for the help, much appreciated.

  • rookie... gotta look at the tach,,,,shift by ear

  • @dlawson435 Rookie huh? Doubt it. It's called a LEARNING video. You try to not look at the tach durring a CDL test and FAIL.

  • @seansuth So you are supposed to use the rev counter when you shift gears? :)

  • @seansuth Lol I never look at the tach and always shift smoothe listen to the engine then you will see try going from certified mechanic to truck driver then you will see

  • i never looked at the tach when i did my test and i passed

  • You're spot on dude, about having to think too hard to explain it in simple terms. You just become part of the machine, "feel it", and it all just happens as second nature.

  • Great vids! I used to drive an N20 Tanker in the oilfield and some "straight body" truck, but since then havn't drove much in 2 years. I am starting another driving job next week (Vacume trucks)and your vids are helping refresh my memory LOL A little nervous still...

  • Is that a super 10?

  • @w5jda 18, same pattern as a 13

  • how many gears does a truck like this have?

  • @yerzahibetancourt upwards of 18

  • Cool driving...I hear some of those trucks have two gears shifts!

  • i only have 6 gears to shift, and it's fully synchronized... you guys have 10+ speeds, not to mention split gears and low/high range! respect to all you truckers out there.

  • So all that's left for truckers to learn is to stop trying to pass other trucks @ like 1 mph faster, taking 15 miles to do it and thus creating enormous traffic jams and pissing everyone off...

  • @stegarsla Maybe. Also, the gov needs to learn to let trucks go at normal speed, quit limiting them so that drivers CAN pass, when needed speed is warrented. 4 wheelers also need MUCH more training, too much to discribe here

  • @seansuth You are probably right up to some point, but I think it's more of a human, uncontrollable factor of drivers enjoying the pissing-off of car drivers. I live in Quebec, trucks are locked to 105 km/h and sometimes, I'll be following a semi in the left lane at 95 km/h, passing another one probably going like 93 km/h, that's more the example I wanted to cite. But again, we ain't going to change the world posting on youtube videos! Keep up the goodl work, you look like a very decent driver!

  • @stegarsla Oh the "new breed" of truckers, I do have to agree with you on that!

  • thank yoiu for your vids im learning and going for my lisense soon

  • You are excellent, thank you, very professional!

  • I down shift in the mountains all the time. Learn how to straight shift (no clutch) and use ur left foot for braking while u make the down shift.

    I noticed some moron said "eaton fuller tranny's don't have half gears" I don't know where ur from but every 18 speed has half gears... If they weren't cut into halves then they would be 8 speeds lol. 8x2=16 plus two low ranges =18.

  • I'd like to be a trucker, but it's a little scary to me- not just the shifting, but how dangerous it is! D:

  • i drive roadtrains here in australia and i use the clutch to start and thats it! when upshifting down a hill try it with the jake on. it'll side straight in. but keep up the good work sean, truck driving is an art and it needs teaching. maybe you could teach car drivers how to share the roads with trucks. keep it safe on the road guys

  • what the fuck is this? flying a plane is probably easier.

  • all jokes aside, is it really hard to drive an 18 wheeler? cuz i only drive automatic cars..and im goingi\ to trucking school next month. is it easy? i mean i drove motorcycles before, so i know the gearing system

  • @jesusonXTC It all depends on you.. The most important part is the desire to do it.. If you want to do it, you'll be fine..

  • just dont down shift in the mountains. lol you wont get it in gear you will be fucked lol. respect the truck or it will get ya..

  • @woodzo40 I had my truck shut off going down Mont Eagle in TN. Starting down the hill the water in the radiator fill tank shifted forward and uncovered the level sensor. The engine shut off thinking it was out of water. No problem, I was in the right gear and only going 25 mph. Just left it in gear and the engine was turning over. Oil pressure was fine, still had power steering, air pressure, and engine brake was working. Rode it to the bottom then flipped the ignition off then back on.

  • Does truck driving suck? and pay good? Im 22 and single with no kids and no wife but have hazmat expierence(not truck driver hazmat) should I consider this a job?

  • @TheTrackFiend LOL. Trying to do the learnin thing, but the voices in my head go "yak yak yak yak..." I don't know what that is. "your thinking Ricky"

  • @seansuth hey sean i love your vids and thanks for posting this vid. I have a question do you like volvo clucth or freighliner i like volvo 10 speed best.

  • Double clutching? Who double clutches? When i took my CDL test they MADE us double clutch, i thought it was kinda weird once your used to floatin' the gears. I drive a yard truck that we use to move loaded and empty trailers around a 2sqmile complex, with a single axle Volvo with a M11 and a 10 speed, if i double clutched my leg would fall off.

  • Great job Sean nice to see someone using every gear in the proper range and getting every horse available.

    Have you ever thought of heading north and driving the ice roads?

  • @TopGear6666 thanks, I'm heading up there for my second year in a few weeks, when I get the call

  • @seansuth Thanks for the reply Sean, I hope you get the call soon please do a few vids of your trip and I hope you make a fortune.

    Best of luck buddy 

  • @seansuth good luck!

  • hey bud are you canadian not meaningit in anyway bador nothin but you look and sound like ricky from the trailor park boys movie

  • @funhatecrimes I was hoping more for Bubbles LOL. Yeah, born and moved

  • @seansuth nah maybe if you put onj some coke bottle glasses and grew longer hair good to hear someone knows what im talkin about though no one in america has heard of the show i have all seasons and all movies

  • @funhatecrimes LOL. I hated the show when I lived there, now i'm like you, all seasons, movies, including the Christmas special

  • haha, i agree with ya man.. drivin a manual car and a 18 wheeler is a total different ball game.. I use to think that way to until I got my CDL.. Wow.. was tough to get use to.

    my leg was a peace of rubber at the end of the day from double clutchin

  • just back in my 13spd after ~ 3 months of driving a co. 10spd (both 387's: mine has an ISX, co. truck has a POS DD15). 10 gears + all regional + new england = teh suck lol.

    and anyone who thinks that they can just hop in one of these and drive off is HORRIBLY wrong... you NEED to double-clutch (as stated at certain times, i never use mine for up shifting and occasionally for downshifting), there's a brake on the input shaft to stop it, etc... my buddy couldnt even get out of 3rd gear in mine...

  • this sounds like a constant mesh box, not a synchromesh manual

  • Any driver that drives manual transmission car can drive like this... there is no science behind this... you just listen to the engine and feel its power... and upshift or downnshift ... But since manual transmissions ARE science to most US drivers (since they are used to automatics), I can see why this "tutorial" exists... and if all of the drivers up there aren`t capable of multitasking as the gentleman in this video (nhf), then I know why you drive automatics :)

  • @sabbathian Really? Ever hear of syncro, and double clutch? apperently not! A "passenger vehicle" has a syncro'd transmisson. An 18 wheeler, does not. So yes, there is a "science" behind it. Now as for the point of a tutorial... I guess not every dick licker like yourself, was born with all mighty powerful knowlage on everything in life, thus not needing any schooling. Apparently you never had to goto any driving school, so sorry All mighty douche!

  • @seansuth It is said Croatian, not Croation, you Americon :)

  • @sabbathian "Wew wew wew" "Gammar police" Sorry you have nothing to comment on, but go a head, go thru all comments on Youtube, and do what you do best. Wack off to the ugly midgets like you always do

  • @seansuth i agree..a semi is a hole diffrint game for shifting.mabi he should watch some more vids on shifting a semi.or better yet go drive one himself..lol.he prolly would not even be able to reliease the parking breaks..lmao..the guy abouve me said it much better just thought i would back you up!!!

  • its really not that complicated. you just change gear exactly as in a manual car. you dont need to think about rpm etc. not in uk trucks anyway. maybe yanky trucks are rubbish?

  • @RHYSKATIE1 No you don't just change gears... even in a "manual car". Try just randomly shifting, not minding the RPMS in anything... see how far you get. Also, are "yanky trucks rubbish" or is it the fact UK drivers can't drive, unless the vehicle drives for them? No,.. wait... that's just you. I know many qualified UK drivers that know how to drive!

  • @RHYSKATIE1 "you just change gear exactly as in a manual car. you dont need to think about rpm" ... HAHAHAHAHA!!!

    I love that line! It's one of those lines that you wonder if you should even respond. You just laugh, shake your head and wonder if alcohol was a factor in the persons response, or just stupidity!

    You wouldn't make a pimple on a truck driver's ass, buddy! :)

  • @RHYSKATIE1 You fuckin limey shit.....check out Cabbage Patch,Donner Pass,Vail Pass,Wolf Creek Pass,then tell me how to do it.

  • tw*t

  • Note: I think alot of your viewers (much like me) are interested in getting a CDL.

    Happy trucking!

  • What is a clutch? i drive trucks,but i must of missed something cause i dont recall having a clutch! I have 3 pedals but i only use 2 of them,is that 3rd pedal next to the driverside door is a clutch?

  • @nighttrain334 you have the accelerator and the brake next to each other and that third pedal is called a clutch.... and its hard to change gears without using that pedal... so just a hint when changing gearings take your foot of the accelerator and push the clutch to make it easier for the gear change yer? dont know how you missed that lesson of driving trucks...

  • @angodamango What are you talking about?

  • @nighttrain334 funny.. no. what do you do to start out? just shove it in gear and grind the hell out of the tranny?

  • Driving down hill using the clutch? What?

  • 35 people are gay

  • There's definately some differences between American and European motors. :-) Here we use the torque, so we try to keep the rpm's lower. We let it drop down to between 900 and 1000 before we shifts down. And approx 1500-1600 before shifting up. Our engines have the "ideal" rpm's between 1300 and 1400... It must be loud inside your riggs.?

  • @schpian +1

  • @amusichound Thought about it... don't know if I could handle it tho

  • haha, why does it seem canadians are smarter and more measured approaching life than us yankees. i can judge this from just a few of the ridiculously ignorant comments people have sprayed out here. try to get an experienced american driver to explain this and they will either call you a pussy for wanting/needing to know, or be unable to break it down coherently. i just changed trucks from a ten speed and this video really came in handy in terms of a refresher. thanks and dont be intimidated.

  • @sledhill Ignorance is all over, not just the US. I'd say half the comments are Canadian. But I do get your point. If people would just remember the first time they started. If they would realize they can use their experience, like I have, how much easier it would be on not only rookies, but themselves too.

  • @seansuth there are more knuckleheads here in the states but that is only because there's ten times as many people. BTW my good buddy is a trucker and anything I need to know he's glad to help out, either involving his big rig or my car. Lots of nice truckers out there.

  • @Colortiniz Yeah, not all are the stereotyped trucker

  • seems so complicated compared to my car.

    clutch in, next gear, clutch out, gas. lol

  • boy this sounds more complex explained then it really is in real life. after 20,000 miles of this you will not even think about doing any of this. you will be thinking about what to eat at the truckstop

  • @nimrod4017 aint that the truth

  • I enjoy your videos, I m learning these right now, it s fun and challenging. Life is boring without challenges. Keep it up!

  • that waseasy

  • Good video, but it is hard to learn anything, you are moving through the steps to fast, slow down and explain more

  • Hey Bro, I just want to say that after 16 years and counting of driving, I have never seen a video on shifting put together so professionally. I think it's a great tool for people to get an idea before actually faces those butterflies upon their first encounter with a drive test. Keep on Truckin' /Redneck Cowboy...TM.

  • @gregnaugle thanks. Thats the point of these videos, if for ones going to school. I think these could be better done now, after a few years more experience, but the point gets across.

    Thanks again

  • its the same thing as a manual car

  • @andrewrosso No, you do not double clutch a passenger vehicle

  • @seansuth yes i double all the time

  • @andrewrosso Can I ask why you double clutch a syncro'd transmission?

  • Cool man, keep doing 'your' own thing and enjoying it. To hell with the I-net trash talking bashers. Seems there's a WORLD full of self appointed, holier than thou humanity critics.

  • you shift like shit, you suck

  • i just got my permitt now going for my license. i need an instuctor but can u give the process on wat to do when downshifting, u do mash brakes first right

  • Driving while making a video huh?

  • u know these are good vids im wanting to get my CDL license and im only 14 u are a big inspiration for me thank you

  • im assuming you have either 13 or 15 speed transmission. When you are switching from high to low with the switch, arent you supposed to shift to neutral for it to engage to low? Your transmission is synchronized?

  • You are awsome! i have been watching your videos since i was about 17 I have been waiting since i was 14 to get my CDL and im 21 now so I just go on with werner! hopefully my own rig soon but i watched your videos all the way throught Driver training Thank you!

  • @TractorTrailerAndrew Cool, congrats!

  • @seansuth I've watched some of your videos and while reading the comments I've noticed that you take great offence when someone calls you out on some of your techniques. Ass cap, supertrucker, cum stain just to name a few. Why are you so intimidated by some who have years more experience? Just watched this video and you refer to the splitter as a half gear, that term has been around for a long time, however, it's not correct. Eaton-Fuller doesn't make any half gear transmissions.

  • @4spdroadrunner You'll also note that I use the terms when someone is trying to be a kayboard rambo, instead of having a conversation. I don't take offence, I just put people in their place, and take no guff

  • olpbhakeld: you are a very little ridiculous excuse for a "man."

  • my steepdad said i do not to be a semi driver im just 9 lol i want to be one idc what he say.

    

  • Excellent video, thanks for taking the time to make it and post it :)

  • @oipbhakeld Pompuss ass,I fart in your general direction!

  • @screaminone Yeah, sometimes people have nothing better to do in their parent's basement huh? Wait, let me write that so @oipbhakeld can understand it. "yea somtimes ppl hv nothing better 2 do n thr parents bsment hu?"

  • @seansuth nice job spelling amoeba amebia. oh, and everytime i chat with you, its during my workday, in which i make at least a couple grand a day. so thanks for helping me pass the time while i collect my money, its quite entertaining conversing with the lower brow section of society. i find you quite hilarious.

  • @oipbhakeld Hahaha! So in other words, your wasting company time... not me! Oh, and again, with the spelling and grammer... " spelling amoeba amebia"... what the fuck is that? Calling me lower brow? Coming from a cum stain like yourself... that must be a bad insult huh

  • @seansuth grammar*

  • @timw286 WOW

  • @oipbhakeld Amoeba (sometimes amœba or ameba, plural amoebae) a couple grand a day? lmao

  • @oipbhakeld Do you have proof you make couple grand a day? If you show proof i will believe you other wise, get some time and stop trashing peoples videos. Must have nothing better to do

  • @oipbhakeld well for someone earning a couple grand a day a 1999 viper is shit, i am sorta jealous tho ;)

  • @oipbhakeld I think by thousands a day you meant a year. What mother fucker in their right mind makes 2 grand a day, sits at "work" on youtube and bashes other people. You fuckhead need a job or a punch in the throat. Or both

    On a lighter note haha, nice vid man, I just started my apprenticeship, well, 2nd year now but would love to learn how to drive truck. It would be great for diagnosing tranni problems, clutch, clutch brake ect. Keep on keepin on!

  • ...and you got no right knocking someone's spelling when you use spelling used in shorthand text-messaging on a phone. Quit wasteing other's time and space you fucking jackasses! Does it give you a big sense of accomplishment?! If it does than you must have some REALLY low standards and little use for yourself. Spelling isn't some people strong suit, so what! At least Sean's putting himself to use and got an expertise. What's yours, fucking off 24/7/365?!

  • Love all the shitheads on YouTube who think they make themselves SOOOO important and smart by pointing out another's spelling mistakes. Unless you're reading something from a professional writer, be it in a newspaper, news source on the web, a book or a blog, where it's the writer's job to spell check, just shut the fuck up, 'cause no one really cares! If you know what someone means despite a misspelling then that's all that matters, everyone knows we're talking casually on the web...

  • great, thanks for this, interesting. and oipbhkeld is a douche he's prob. a foreigner

  • i'm trying to get my cdl how do you no when it's time to switch to next gear???is double clutching hard to do???

  • I want to go to truck driving school when I turn 21 so I can get my CDL license but all that double clutching and shifting looks difficult.

  • did you have to use the clutch when you change the splitter? or clutch just used when you shift the gears?

  • this is how hundreds of jb hunt and swift drivers learned to get in my way in the mountains! Ha ha keep on keepin on.

  • how about down shifting a 18 speed

  • Is it typical to let the rpms drop so low when downshifting an 18 speed? In a 10 speed you'd stall it under 2000 rpms.

  • nice truck dude i got a pick up f450 superduty

  • This transmission is Eaton fuller 18 speeds?

  • Interesting to see how truckers do their thing. I'm a railroader myself.......I think I'll stick with flanged steel wheels on steel rails, TYVM...haha

  • i drive the new Mercedes Actors very coool automatic trani

  • do you use the clutch upshift?

  • this was released on the day of my birthday

  • i love ridin in my truck wit my dad

  • now watching this vid i do have to say if you have not been driving that much get some time under your belt befor with a pro befor you try cuz if you are going down hill and you loss a gear ( miss a gear ) you are fucked if you dont know what you are doing JUST a note to look at

  • @brandton1974 I agree 100%. Some may call me crazy, but I feel every new driver should start out on a team. I did for the first two years. I learned more with the one (of four other team members in the two trucks) driver, then I did in school

  • @seansuth Shifting going down hill...depends on the hill I guess..Im usually in the correct gear while on the hill....I always think of the runaway train theory...& thats not fun...........nice vid be safe!

  • @seansuth I agree as well...I had no choice but to start as a team, but I have no regrets. I was as wet behind the ears as a novice driver can get, but it sure was a great feeling once I got my confidence and honed my skills.

  • Awesome tutorial partner. Keep on truckin...;)

  • that is complicated as hell. Hopefully these eaton shift thing will make it easier. I can't even understand why manual transmission still exist except for race cars.

  • @neil78b They have automatic transmissions in semis. They are not good for vehicles up to 80,000 to 120,000 lbs. They can't handel it properly. For vehicles like the average 2000 lbs car, autos are fine

  • @seansuth I have recently used an 18 auto hooked up to a 500 detroit pulling close to 65 tonne ( 130k lb ) and it did the job just fine. Earlier generation autos were shit, but they now can handle high torque loadings . I do prefer the stick though, especially in mountainous terrain. Your vids are informative and good 4 the rookies. Have a good one :-)

  • @seansuth Here in Europe we got automatics even for 60 ton trucks and they work just fine.

    They shift alot faster then any human can and they save alot of fuel.

    

  • @seansuth the CATS 777D haul trucks are automatics they seem to haul fairly well, do the commercial trucks and the off road trucks have that much of a difference?

  • @seansuth thats bull i driven both an the automatic are very nice i must say i said i didnt wont one until i had no chose but to drive a automatic big rig

  • @TORIANO50 Yeah? Wait until your on a 12% grade, and it malfunctions, leaving you and your 98,000lbs without a gear inguaged, no jake brake, no nothing! You'll change your opinion too

  • @seansuth dude, did u really just spell engaged inguaged???? omfg, stick to truck driving. a fifth grader could outspell u. and dont try to claim that was a mistake by trying to type fast, thats how u really thought it was spelled.

  • @oipbhakeld WOW! My fuck you're right! I really shouldn't spell @ 4 fucking am, after being up about twenty-six hours! I reall should leave that to keyboard rambo cockblock, douche nozzles, such as yourself!

  • @seansuth way to play it off buddy. we all know thats how u thought it was spelled. and how does correcting your spelling make me a cockblock? so u cant spell and ur retarded. have a nice life.

  • @oipbhakeld OK, if I was playing it off, let ME correct YOU this time. Ever figure out what CAPITOLS are, and when to use them? Also, it is not "cant". It is either, CAN NOT, or CAN'T See the difference? Here's one for YOU to try. Notice I spelt that "YOU"... add that to " 'RE ", and you get "YOU'RE"... it isn't "ur" "THATS"? What is that? I believe you tried your (oh, see the diference in "you're and "your"?) hardest to spell "THAT'S"! "U"? hummm... I think someone didn't graduate past grade 5