@XWARG4M3RQ8X I know, all us Brits troops should go through processing to pick out the bad ones that make everybody else look bad. Americans clearly know how to do it, we need to follow their example.
@shortkid39 IM WRONG REALLY JUST THE anther BOMB WANT OF KILL MORE ppl. god know how many kids were left with parents tht day and parents with out children . wt is usa doing in iraq why didnt thy stop ittttt????
@sorytha where did u hear we were killing them....we r killing afghanistans now and we r out of iraq but even wen we were in iraq we only killed the terrorists
@shortkid39 really say tht to somone elas coz everyone nows the ppl tht u riped and the incount ppl u killed like the parents of the 3 children in the car . u cam took sadam wt did u give instead bombs? ur nt out of iraq. u stil there watching us die.
@sorytha even if we did....(which we didnt) it wouldve been an accident, and there are reasons for being there......i dont know if u live in iraq or ur ethnicity comes from iraq but would u want ur terrorists killing you? thats our goal in iraq and afghanistan....to protect YOU IRAQS and ARABS FROM YOUR OWN TERRORISTS..... k if u dont like that we r helping u then we can leave and then terrorists will dictate ok? how would u like that?
@sorytha k we r not going to save everyone from terrorists....we want to, but its just not possible....in the whole world....UNLESS WE R STILL IN IRAQ KILLING TERRORISTS that is why we r there!!!!!!!! dont you see.....you r mad because we r killing terrorrists....then u r mad that terrorrists r killing civilians.....now u r mad that we r not preventing terrorrists to kill civilians....LISTEN UP....WE R TRYING OUR BEST BUT WITH OBAMA WE DO NOT FUNCTION GOOD KAY? YOUR LUCKY WE ARE DOING SOMETHING
@shortkid39 im mad coz my home is getting bombed ..im made coz along time ago i used to walk to school with out the fear of getting bombed , kidnapped , killed etc now safety is far away dream. this increased to the point tht it turns a life into hell sens 2000
ok im going to set something straight these guys are out there risking their lives and right now in this vid its just some leisure time there just joking and what they have to put up with there theirs nothing wrong with this vid there not wasting tax dolors the vid was like 10 seconds long just get over it
im iraqi but assyrian which is ancient iraq,, (babylonian), nd those ppl r muslims but even though they r muslims i still carea bout how the fuk use r treating the ppl, freakin low lifes
(next)Meaning also that a lot more of the profits would be spent on the iraqi labourers demands and their own quality of life. Also, if the profit money stays more inside the borders of Iraq, that means a lot more of that same money is taxable by the state. And in most countries, tax money is always ment for one way or another to also help improve a better quality of life for the population.
now the reactions of the child in this video are very understandable. If he sticks up for his father. Because with the US army over there you never know when you will get arrested and sent to prison for years without appearant reason. What this child is doing is speaking out the general fear that lives amongst the people.
Saudi Arabia the land of misunderstanding, ignorance and hypocrisy \for example Amircans had done many good deedsto the world and espicially for the devolpment of my country saudi arabia altough Amircans have been deceived by their leaders which guided them straight to hell fire. first, the history witnessed the atomic bombs on japan etc finally amircan soldiers doining many gensides in iraq, all in all i guess saudis and americans share the charectristics.
The atomic bombs killed less people than conventional arms did in WW2.
There's no genocide being committed by the U.S. in Iraq, it's frankly stupid to say that there is, which makes me feel a bit silly for replying to your nonsense and giving the appearance that I take you seriously.
i should warn ppl of my presenceyes. I got a habit of breaking down trooper lovers. Now the fact that from the town Fallujah only 1/4th is still standing after it got bombed by napalm is off course no genocide eh? but then again: the US army never even bothered to count the numbers of innocent victims they made. they only said it was "collateral damage".
Fallujah was not bombed by napalm. Troops cleared the city by foot. The vast majority of civilians, officially 70%-90% evacuated beforehand as they were told of the upcoming battle, and facilities were erected to accomodate them. Another interesting fact, the percentage of Fallujans who voted in the 2005 elections surpassed the percentage of other districts. Do you think they did so to defy the U.S., or the Saddam-loyalists and Al-Qaeda who threatened to kill them if they voted?
you are not enough informed to believe Fallujah was not bombed with napalm. and your official numbers you are grabbing out of thin air because simply there was no record of numbers being accounted for by the US army. Facilities to accomodate were jokes. They bombed the hospitals too. ppl with white flags were sometimes shot on sight. and yes, after the bombing and using of other chemical weapons. the final parts were cleared on foot.
The city was not set alight the way you insinuate, troops cleared the city on foot, house-by-house, to eliminate Al-Qaeda and Saddam loyalists terrorizing the population, if you're aware, it was where Zarqawi beheaded Nick Berg.
My source for the numbers is the Boston Globe's article: "Fallujah refugees describe ordeal of life in crossfire"
Refugee camps were set up ahead of the battle.
Fedayeen Saddam are known to have used ambulances and to wave white flags to bait and ambush U.S. troops
The Boston Globe... I wouldnt believe one article written in there. Dont forget that the outgoing media back then was completely censored by the US army itself. Journalists were only allowed to film what the soldiers told em to film. Strangly also journalists who were trying to cover all of the field have had their tapes stolen in hotels and were (in the case of a Italian reporter) even assasinated by a "by mistake shot" missile from a US tank into their hotel room.
We clearly think very differently, and can't be reconciled. I can't think of any logical reason for the U.S. military to conspire to kill a journalist in such an overt manner which instead of silencing the press, naturally caused a media frenzy which I remember, and clearly you do as well.
There is a reason for not wanting journalists to report friendly troop movements, and for not wanting them to freely traverse the battlefield, that's why they inbed journalists in their infantry squads.
yes..; its also to keep them silent and make sure that only the good side of the troops gets displayed. Everybody in the world was (and mostly still is) disqusted by the US agression. So controlling the media to try keep up a good image of the US trooper was vital.
It's very funny how you don't mention the scores of Iraqi journalists, a record number, who have been killed by insurgents.
Read the article: "Iraq: Journalists in Danger" by the Committee To Protect Journalists, an organization I'm familiar with because I have previously studied journalism in college.
117 were killed, 105 of them by insurgents. The others due to crossfire or other reasons.
@Re5Publica Im not here to judge the Iraqi's and the actions of the insurgents. As we prolly both agree we can still look at them as "the bad guys". However, the US are supposed to be an example for all (or so they claim to be). As the US is one of the co-founders of the UN, they should know how human rights are to be delt with. Like i said in another topic:from terrorist we can expect nothing less but cruelty, but from the US it is intolerable.
Oh, so you don't care about murdered journalists, or Iraqis, that was all rhetoric, it's just that you hold America to a standard which you don't expect from anyone else. I see....
I believe the U.S. is the good guy, and the terrorists are the bad guys. Why you would want to portray the U.S. as the bad guy when terrorists are still trying to mass murder Iraqis going to mosque, or to the market is a mystery, unless you are grossly ignorant, which I believe is the case, or prejudiced and irrational, which I also believe to be the case.
@Re5Publica the terrorists have always been the bad guys, in my book. However if the US starts to use methods that are immoral to the core in order to obtain their target, in my book that shifts em over from "the good guy" side to the "bad guy" side. So in the end we end up with 2 bad guys. And the debate is still which of them is the worst.
@Re5Publica btw something else too, are you enjoying the way of "respectful behaviour" the troops have towards that kid here? The language they use and the way they try to humiliate him? while he only tries to stand up for his dad? Do they seem like the perfect rolemodel of a "oh so noble patriottic freedom fighter" to you?
I don't support soldiers verbally abusing Iraqis or Iraqi children, however, I recognize that they might get shot at every day, and usually by people disguised as civilians, with the purpose of sowing distrust. I feel it's very easy to judge from the safety of my home, the safety due in large part to the fact that there are men and women willing to risk their lives for my sake.
So, I wouldn't laugh and pretend it's ok, but I certainly wouldn't start supporting people that kill them either.
@Re5Publica and please tell me in detail, how much did them being over there did such a good job of keeping your life safe? how much is your specific "sake" protected by them?
You didn't understand what I meant. The reason we feel safe, is in large part due to the fact that we know there are brave people willing to fight in our defense.
I can try and explain how deposing a psychopath with a history of sponsoring terrorism and aggression against his neighbours makes the world safer, but I think you've chosen to think a certain way on this matter, and our thinking can't be reconciled. Besides, this isn't the best place to go over all the details, it's too restrictive.
Successful elections were an objective of the U.S., and opposed by the insurgency, particularly those insurgents which were cleared out of Fallujah in 2004.
Personally, when it comes to siding with either the forces of democracy in Iraq, or with those like Al-Qaeda, or Baathist remnants which oppose democracy and threaten Iraqis who vote, it's a very easy choice for me. I think your irrational hatred of America is not enabling you to think clearly.
no, succesful elections with carefully selected people from the US were an objective. Anybody wanting to oppose on the presence of the US in a political way was not allowed in there. The current iraqi government is a puppet government, nothing more. The second siege on fallujah was under the cover of finding terrorists but its real purpose was to strike so much fear amongst the inhabitants so they would only vote for the by the US selected henchmen.
The elections were internationally monitored and the U.N. considers the government in Iraq to have been elected by the Iraqi people, the only people who say otherwise do so for their own selfish and cynical reasons. It's not a coincidence that anti-democrats say the same thing as you to undermine democracy as a way of choosing government.
It is amazing to me how many people will ignore any positive outcome for Iraqis, such as the elections, due merely to their own anti-U.S. prejudice.
There was no selection process by the U.S., you are just simply making things up you wish were true to justify your irrational hatred. There were 1000s of candidates! Including shi'a fanatics and others who opposed the U.S. presence, some of them were voted into office, but mostly they were repudiated at the polls for being linked to violent militias. In the 2008 provincial elections, religious parties lost even more votes because of their role in stoking the violence from 2005 to 2007.
and all those fanatics never got in lol... Repudiated at the polls for being linked to violent militia.... without proof off course... and by so selected out. You dont see the system behind that? I sure do. The international community was maybe close to monitor, it was still under the supervision of the US. And the US only had all the final decisions.
Actually, supporters of Muqtada Al-Sadr were elected to parliament, his Mahdi army killed U.S. and Iraqi troops. Like anything else, if you're going to have a strong opinion about something, learn a little about it first.
By repudiated I meant, not voted for, or voted for in small numbers... they were allowed to run in elections. The only party that can't currently run in elections is Saddam's Baath party.
@Re5Publica And that is where you lose your credibility. First of all the elections were not run in one single time, they had to be done over several times because they were rigged. Secondly, a large part of the population simply didnt get the papers allowing them to vote in the first place. And last but not least: The US has already a history in Iraq by helping people in place who they think they can manipulate. Saddam himself the best example.
I don't believe history is the same as the present. If Jimmy Carter, or even Reagan ever made a foreign policy blunder, I don't see why George W. Bush should be held responsible. Different presidencies, different policies. Only Saddam was in power for decades....
7 elections? There was one successful election, and it was closely monitored by the U.N., it may inconvenience your argument, but delegitimizing the government of Iraq, and the choice of Iraqis is the job of the insurgency, not you.
@Re5Publica So if i follow your logic correctly, you say ppl commiting mistakes, crimes against humanity, should not be held responsible for it? wow.... a "blunder" is one thing, starting a war is a wee little further in my opinion.
in the "succesful election" the UN was -just like in the invasion itself- ignored watching bystanders. The americans called the shots in it and they just wanted the UN to sit next of them and say yes.
@Re5Publica I was never really a fan of keeping Saddam in power. You misunderstood that. He also has remained too long in power and indeed should have been brought to justice in one way or another. But however a complete occupation of his country for so many years, and such a brutal ground war which was completely out of proportion was not the way to do it.
@Re5Publica and now that they have every iraqi company privatised and in the hands of foreign investors and their natural resources monopilised.... you really believe they would be letting ppl into parliament who would be undermining their financial profits? Sorry but your explanation right there seems nothing more but a very well spread cover up lie.
Capitalism is a hallmark of free countries, and liberal democracies in particular. Every free country including the United States has foreign investors. What Iraqis want is more investment, not less.... more investment means a stronger economy, a stronger economy means a better quality of life. Let's not turn this into a discussion on economics.
The government of Iraq was chosen by the Iraqi people, and not the U.S. government. The U.S. preferred Chalabi, not Maliki.
@Re5Publica ow but this is not just the investors. In this case most of iraqi companies are in the hands of the foreign investors. Meaning: they just took them over. The profit is not going back to the iraqi ppl.
Well, I'm not sure if you know how a company works, but they don't give profits to the consumer, profits don't belong to the people, they belong to owners and shareholders. What they do provide are products, services and jobs to the people, and it's those products, services and jobs that improve their quality of life.
@Re5Publica well the number of jobs didnt really increase they decreased for the iraqis themselves. Since a lot of the companies taken over also brought a lot of employees from those same foreign nations. Most of Iraqi companies are also based upon export, as they were before, meaning that the external products and services are not really directed towards iraqi citizens. There were the profits before used to go way more inbound the nations' borders-- (see next)
@Re5Publica Chalabi, Maliki both ended up in to the profile they wanted. Didnt really matter to them.
For the profit case here: maybe i took the wrong word with saying "investors". My english is not that splendid... "entrepreneurs and overbuyers" would be more fitting. Considered the quality of life: its a common know fact that the Iraqi ppl have been empovering drastically since the invastion, many living under the hunger border now.
And you, Saudigirl, are further proof that the ignorant continue to thrive and multiply. You and people like you cast the truth aside for one reason and one reason only, you love and embrace bloodshed, violence , and death. Killing and wishing death on other, including the innocent is how you respond to everything and why? because death arouses you. You have my pity. And unfortunately, i have to say that whatever you wish on us, I hope you yourself get. You're a hypocrite of the worst kind.
"apiece" is not a word. it's "a" then a space, followed by "piece." How about we cut a deal? I'll grow up and you express your ignorance with proper sentence structure. It won't give you any more credibility, but it will make your wishes of death on me and my nation a little less laughable. Unless being laughed at is what you're going for.
and your words show that you're a racist and a murderer. And with all my 41 years, I'd rather be a "silly kid" than be what you are, which is a violent criminal.
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Say I'm your pimp, bitch
LisaSpringfield 2 months ago
american solider i really kind not like the british fucks they fucking abuse innecent people
XWARG4M3RQ8X 5 months ago
@XWARG4M3RQ8X I know, all us Brits troops should go through processing to pick out the bad ones that make everybody else look bad. Americans clearly know how to do it, we need to follow their example.
KGzII 3 months ago
@KGzII Lol I don't know if you're serious are shit.
ChanceReed 2 months ago
@KGzII or what*
ChanceReed 2 months ago
wtf are they trying to teach little kids to curse??
ChocolateLoverHAHA 6 months ago
the little boy is so adorable
iluvlilwayne3 7 months ago
lol
whata86 8 months ago
I like how one of the soldiers had to turn his finger round the other way.. no doubt an asshole Soldier taught him that in the past.
UDARFC 8 months ago 2
i like how all the soldiers(terrorists) are over there mistreating iraqi children.
diamondthundergold 9 months ago
@diamondthundergold they didnt mistreat anyone in the video
juicestain117 9 months ago 2
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STY AWAY FROM OUR KIDS U DESTROYED THEIR FUTURE THEY GO TO SCHOOL NOT KNOWING WHEN A BOMB WILL TAKE THEIR SHORT LIFE AWAY AND KILL THEIR DREAMS
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha wats sty and ur wrong
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 IM WRONG REALLY JUST THE anther BOMB WANT OF KILL MORE ppl. god know how many kids were left with parents tht day and parents with out children . wt is usa doing in iraq why didnt thy stop ittttt????
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha where did u hear we were killing them....we r killing afghanistans now and we r out of iraq but even wen we were in iraq we only killed the terrorists
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 really say tht to somone elas coz everyone nows the ppl tht u riped and the incount ppl u killed like the parents of the 3 children in the car . u cam took sadam wt did u give instead bombs? ur nt out of iraq. u stil there watching us die.
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha even if we did....(which we didnt) it wouldve been an accident, and there are reasons for being there......i dont know if u live in iraq or ur ethnicity comes from iraq but would u want ur terrorists killing you? thats our goal in iraq and afghanistan....to protect YOU IRAQS and ARABS FROM YOUR OWN TERRORISTS..... k if u dont like that we r helping u then we can leave and then terrorists will dictate ok? how would u like that?
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 dw they are wt did u do when they acetate the church in iraq and bombed it? just a couple of months ago?
wt did u do when a bomb exploed just last week killing ppl?
and more an more. nothing gives u the to kill . rip is no accident . before u cam we didnt have bombs but now they are evry were
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha nothing give u the right to kill rip or valiance
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha k we r not going to save everyone from terrorists....we want to, but its just not possible....in the whole world....UNLESS WE R STILL IN IRAQ KILLING TERRORISTS that is why we r there!!!!!!!! dont you see.....you r mad because we r killing terrorrists....then u r mad that terrorrists r killing civilians.....now u r mad that we r not preventing terrorrists to kill civilians....LISTEN UP....WE R TRYING OUR BEST BUT WITH OBAMA WE DO NOT FUNCTION GOOD KAY? YOUR LUCKY WE ARE DOING SOMETHING
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 im mad coz my home is getting bombed ..im made coz along time ago i used to walk to school with out the fear of getting bombed , kidnapped , killed etc now safety is far away dream. this increased to the point tht it turns a life into hell sens 2000
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha sorry to hear that....really i am...but who are u talking about would kidnap u?
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 when there is no safety wt u expect?
sorytha 1 year ago
@sorytha no like who...terrorists?
shortkid39 1 year ago
@shortkid39 ya the terrorists tht filed my country after usa came . usa tht was ment make it better war is hell and after war is worse .
sorytha 11 months ago
Respond to this video... stay
sorytha 1 year ago
M16A4 Fully Automated With M203 , Laser and ACOG - Aimoptics :P
american weapons huuhhh >_<
Ceater 1 year ago
@Ceater the hell yea
trinitymdq 1 year ago
@Ceater or just hack on call of duty
shortkid39 1 year ago
ok im going to set something straight these guys are out there risking their lives and right now in this vid its just some leisure time there just joking and what they have to put up with there theirs nothing wrong with this vid there not wasting tax dolors the vid was like 10 seconds long just get over it
mars7a 1 year ago
GrgB is ur pimp and all u soldiers who mock ppl are the beaches HA HA HA LMAO!
thewarisdiscusting 1 year ago
im iraqi but assyrian which is ancient iraq,, (babylonian), nd those ppl r muslims but even though they r muslims i still carea bout how the fuk use r treating the ppl, freakin low lifes
1babylonian 1 year ago
WTF seriously wat is this childish behaviour , get outta the country nd go suk joh bush nd obamas balls!
1babylonian 1 year ago
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1babylonian 1 year ago
dont teach him bad language
rameezfenix 1 year ago
i can't believe my tax dollars are wasted on soldiers like this. U.S. Military put my money to some good use and catch real terroist
crib1981 1 year ago
@crib1981
then go there and fight on their place, dont waste ur money
soladetenis 1 year ago
1:09 wow noob tube really
thembones5 1 year ago
wow this is why im ashamed of a fraction of our military
ShawnC777 1 year ago
Winning the hearts of Iraqi fathers: teaching their kids to say, "I'm your pimp, bitch." Gotta go down well in a muslim country.
Andreware 1 year ago
why dnt yall exchange phone #s and bicker there you like the vid yes or no dam
TheAngelofvengance 2 years ago
(next)Meaning also that a lot more of the profits would be spent on the iraqi labourers demands and their own quality of life. Also, if the profit money stays more inside the borders of Iraq, that means a lot more of that same money is taxable by the state. And in most countries, tax money is always ment for one way or another to also help improve a better quality of life for the population.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
now the reactions of the child in this video are very understandable. If he sticks up for his father. Because with the US army over there you never know when you will get arrested and sent to prison for years without appearant reason. What this child is doing is speaking out the general fear that lives amongst the people.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Saudi Arabia the land of misunderstanding, ignorance and hypocrisy \for example Amircans had done many good deedsto the world and espicially for the devolpment of my country saudi arabia altough Amircans have been deceived by their leaders which guided them straight to hell fire. first, the history witnessed the atomic bombs on japan etc finally amircan soldiers doining many gensides in iraq, all in all i guess saudis and americans share the charectristics.
dapooo888 2 years ago
The atomic bombs killed less people than conventional arms did in WW2.
There's no genocide being committed by the U.S. in Iraq, it's frankly stupid to say that there is, which makes me feel a bit silly for replying to your nonsense and giving the appearance that I take you seriously.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
wow.... idiocy at large here.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Warning us of your presence?
Re5Publica 2 years ago
i should warn ppl of my presenceyes. I got a habit of breaking down trooper lovers. Now the fact that from the town Fallujah only 1/4th is still standing after it got bombed by napalm is off course no genocide eh? but then again: the US army never even bothered to count the numbers of innocent victims they made. they only said it was "collateral damage".
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Fallujah was not bombed by napalm. Troops cleared the city by foot. The vast majority of civilians, officially 70%-90% evacuated beforehand as they were told of the upcoming battle, and facilities were erected to accomodate them. Another interesting fact, the percentage of Fallujans who voted in the 2005 elections surpassed the percentage of other districts. Do you think they did so to defy the U.S., or the Saddam-loyalists and Al-Qaeda who threatened to kill them if they voted?
Re5Publica 2 years ago
you are not enough informed to believe Fallujah was not bombed with napalm. and your official numbers you are grabbing out of thin air because simply there was no record of numbers being accounted for by the US army. Facilities to accomodate were jokes. They bombed the hospitals too. ppl with white flags were sometimes shot on sight. and yes, after the bombing and using of other chemical weapons. the final parts were cleared on foot.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
The city was not set alight the way you insinuate, troops cleared the city on foot, house-by-house, to eliminate Al-Qaeda and Saddam loyalists terrorizing the population, if you're aware, it was where Zarqawi beheaded Nick Berg.
My source for the numbers is the Boston Globe's article: "Fallujah refugees describe ordeal of life in crossfire"
Refugee camps were set up ahead of the battle.
Fedayeen Saddam are known to have used ambulances and to wave white flags to bait and ambush U.S. troops
Re5Publica 2 years ago
The Boston Globe... I wouldnt believe one article written in there. Dont forget that the outgoing media back then was completely censored by the US army itself. Journalists were only allowed to film what the soldiers told em to film. Strangly also journalists who were trying to cover all of the field have had their tapes stolen in hotels and were (in the case of a Italian reporter) even assasinated by a "by mistake shot" missile from a US tank into their hotel room.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
We clearly think very differently, and can't be reconciled. I can't think of any logical reason for the U.S. military to conspire to kill a journalist in such an overt manner which instead of silencing the press, naturally caused a media frenzy which I remember, and clearly you do as well.
There is a reason for not wanting journalists to report friendly troop movements, and for not wanting them to freely traverse the battlefield, that's why they inbed journalists in their infantry squads.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
yes..; its also to keep them silent and make sure that only the good side of the troops gets displayed. Everybody in the world was (and mostly still is) disqusted by the US agression. So controlling the media to try keep up a good image of the US trooper was vital.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
It's very funny how you don't mention the scores of Iraqi journalists, a record number, who have been killed by insurgents.
Read the article: "Iraq: Journalists in Danger" by the Committee To Protect Journalists, an organization I'm familiar with because I have previously studied journalism in college.
117 were killed, 105 of them by insurgents. The others due to crossfire or other reasons.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica Im not here to judge the Iraqi's and the actions of the insurgents. As we prolly both agree we can still look at them as "the bad guys". However, the US are supposed to be an example for all (or so they claim to be). As the US is one of the co-founders of the UN, they should know how human rights are to be delt with. Like i said in another topic:from terrorist we can expect nothing less but cruelty, but from the US it is intolerable.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Oh, so you don't care about murdered journalists, or Iraqis, that was all rhetoric, it's just that you hold America to a standard which you don't expect from anyone else. I see....
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica I see you dont understand what i was trying to say. So lets try to simplify it for you.
terrorist= depicted "bad guy"= supposed to act evil
US= depicted "good guy"(or so they claim)= supposed to act good. Meaning they got more standards to indeed live up to, in which they fail.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
I believe the U.S. is the good guy, and the terrorists are the bad guys. Why you would want to portray the U.S. as the bad guy when terrorists are still trying to mass murder Iraqis going to mosque, or to the market is a mystery, unless you are grossly ignorant, which I believe is the case, or prejudiced and irrational, which I also believe to be the case.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica the terrorists have always been the bad guys, in my book. However if the US starts to use methods that are immoral to the core in order to obtain their target, in my book that shifts em over from "the good guy" side to the "bad guy" side. So in the end we end up with 2 bad guys. And the debate is still which of them is the worst.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
@Re5Publica btw something else too, are you enjoying the way of "respectful behaviour" the troops have towards that kid here? The language they use and the way they try to humiliate him? while he only tries to stand up for his dad? Do they seem like the perfect rolemodel of a "oh so noble patriottic freedom fighter" to you?
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
I don't support soldiers verbally abusing Iraqis or Iraqi children, however, I recognize that they might get shot at every day, and usually by people disguised as civilians, with the purpose of sowing distrust. I feel it's very easy to judge from the safety of my home, the safety due in large part to the fact that there are men and women willing to risk their lives for my sake.
So, I wouldn't laugh and pretend it's ok, but I certainly wouldn't start supporting people that kill them either.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica and please tell me in detail, how much did them being over there did such a good job of keeping your life safe? how much is your specific "sake" protected by them?
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
You didn't understand what I meant. The reason we feel safe, is in large part due to the fact that we know there are brave people willing to fight in our defense.
I can try and explain how deposing a psychopath with a history of sponsoring terrorism and aggression against his neighbours makes the world safer, but I think you've chosen to think a certain way on this matter, and our thinking can't be reconciled. Besides, this isn't the best place to go over all the details, it's too restrictive.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
and honestly for the 2005 votes, i do think it was more to defy the US yes.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
And what's your reason for believing that?
Successful elections were an objective of the U.S., and opposed by the insurgency, particularly those insurgents which were cleared out of Fallujah in 2004.
Personally, when it comes to siding with either the forces of democracy in Iraq, or with those like Al-Qaeda, or Baathist remnants which oppose democracy and threaten Iraqis who vote, it's a very easy choice for me. I think your irrational hatred of America is not enabling you to think clearly.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
no, succesful elections with carefully selected people from the US were an objective. Anybody wanting to oppose on the presence of the US in a political way was not allowed in there. The current iraqi government is a puppet government, nothing more. The second siege on fallujah was under the cover of finding terrorists but its real purpose was to strike so much fear amongst the inhabitants so they would only vote for the by the US selected henchmen.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
The elections were internationally monitored and the U.N. considers the government in Iraq to have been elected by the Iraqi people, the only people who say otherwise do so for their own selfish and cynical reasons. It's not a coincidence that anti-democrats say the same thing as you to undermine democracy as a way of choosing government.
It is amazing to me how many people will ignore any positive outcome for Iraqis, such as the elections, due merely to their own anti-U.S. prejudice.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
what a way of democracy eh if the the ppl who are able to be candidate are being selected by the agressive occupieing forces?
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
There was no selection process by the U.S., you are just simply making things up you wish were true to justify your irrational hatred. There were 1000s of candidates! Including shi'a fanatics and others who opposed the U.S. presence, some of them were voted into office, but mostly they were repudiated at the polls for being linked to violent militias. In the 2008 provincial elections, religious parties lost even more votes because of their role in stoking the violence from 2005 to 2007.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
and all those fanatics never got in lol... Repudiated at the polls for being linked to violent militia.... without proof off course... and by so selected out. You dont see the system behind that? I sure do. The international community was maybe close to monitor, it was still under the supervision of the US. And the US only had all the final decisions.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Actually, supporters of Muqtada Al-Sadr were elected to parliament, his Mahdi army killed U.S. and Iraqi troops. Like anything else, if you're going to have a strong opinion about something, learn a little about it first.
By repudiated I meant, not voted for, or voted for in small numbers... they were allowed to run in elections. The only party that can't currently run in elections is Saddam's Baath party.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica And that is where you lose your credibility. First of all the elections were not run in one single time, they had to be done over several times because they were rigged. Secondly, a large part of the population simply didnt get the papers allowing them to vote in the first place. And last but not least: The US has already a history in Iraq by helping people in place who they think they can manipulate. Saddam himself the best example.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
I don't believe history is the same as the present. If Jimmy Carter, or even Reagan ever made a foreign policy blunder, I don't see why George W. Bush should be held responsible. Different presidencies, different policies. Only Saddam was in power for decades....
7 elections? There was one successful election, and it was closely monitored by the U.N., it may inconvenience your argument, but delegitimizing the government of Iraq, and the choice of Iraqis is the job of the insurgency, not you.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica So if i follow your logic correctly, you say ppl commiting mistakes, crimes against humanity, should not be held responsible for it? wow.... a "blunder" is one thing, starting a war is a wee little further in my opinion.
in the "succesful election" the UN was -just like in the invasion itself- ignored watching bystanders. The americans called the shots in it and they just wanted the UN to sit next of them and say yes.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
If you recall, I was for bringing Saddam to justice for his crimes against humanity, you were for keeping him in power.
Besides you completely misrepresented my argument and I think you know it, which means your cheap and intellectually dishonest.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica I was never really a fan of keeping Saddam in power. You misunderstood that. He also has remained too long in power and indeed should have been brought to justice in one way or another. But however a complete occupation of his country for so many years, and such a brutal ground war which was completely out of proportion was not the way to do it.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
@Re5Publica and now that they have every iraqi company privatised and in the hands of foreign investors and their natural resources monopilised.... you really believe they would be letting ppl into parliament who would be undermining their financial profits? Sorry but your explanation right there seems nothing more but a very well spread cover up lie.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Capitalism is a hallmark of free countries, and liberal democracies in particular. Every free country including the United States has foreign investors. What Iraqis want is more investment, not less.... more investment means a stronger economy, a stronger economy means a better quality of life. Let's not turn this into a discussion on economics.
The government of Iraq was chosen by the Iraqi people, and not the U.S. government. The U.S. preferred Chalabi, not Maliki.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica ow but this is not just the investors. In this case most of iraqi companies are in the hands of the foreign investors. Meaning: they just took them over. The profit is not going back to the iraqi ppl.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
Well, I'm not sure if you know how a company works, but they don't give profits to the consumer, profits don't belong to the people, they belong to owners and shareholders. What they do provide are products, services and jobs to the people, and it's those products, services and jobs that improve their quality of life.
Re5Publica 2 years ago
@Re5Publica well the number of jobs didnt really increase they decreased for the iraqis themselves. Since a lot of the companies taken over also brought a lot of employees from those same foreign nations. Most of Iraqi companies are also based upon export, as they were before, meaning that the external products and services are not really directed towards iraqi citizens. There were the profits before used to go way more inbound the nations' borders-- (see next)
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
@Re5Publica Chalabi, Maliki both ended up in to the profile they wanted. Didnt really matter to them.
For the profit case here: maybe i took the wrong word with saying "investors". My english is not that splendid... "entrepreneurs and overbuyers" would be more fitting. Considered the quality of life: its a common know fact that the Iraqi ppl have been empovering drastically since the invastion, many living under the hunger border now.
lleuwelynn 2 years ago
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FACE OF GENOCIDE
2 Million killed human victims of the USAggression. If they wernt slaughtered many would have had children {so 3 children each AVERAGED}
1st generation, 2 Million ppl slaughtered x 3 kids, would have had 6 Million kids
2nd gen. 6 Million kids x their 3 kids each, becomes 18 Million kids
3rd gen. 18 Million kids x their 3 kids each, bcomes 54 Million kids
4th gen. 54 Million kids x their 3 kids each =162 Million kids
A lot of little kids robbed from the world
4aaaaa4 2 years ago
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Pearlharbor350 2 years ago
ohh shut the hell up
hazellina07 2 years ago
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americans has turn large population of Iraqi children into beggars. yeah good boy, say death to usa
Saudigirl19 2 years ago
And you, Saudigirl, are further proof that the ignorant continue to thrive and multiply. You and people like you cast the truth aside for one reason and one reason only, you love and embrace bloodshed, violence , and death. Killing and wishing death on other, including the innocent is how you respond to everything and why? because death arouses you. You have my pity. And unfortunately, i have to say that whatever you wish on us, I hope you yourself get. You're a hypocrite of the worst kind.
Soldier68wCA 2 years ago
do you know real father name? .. im sure your mom does not tell you . you and all people like you are nothing but beggar .. i feel sorry for you ..
Saudigirl19 2 years ago
So you feel sorry for me. Well don't cry yourself to sleep on my account, princess.
Just go find your self a piece of pork fat and go slide off.
Soldier68wCA 2 years ago
apiece of pork fat? are you silly kid? grow up
Saudigirl19 2 years ago
"apiece" is not a word. it's "a" then a space, followed by "piece." How about we cut a deal? I'll grow up and you express your ignorance with proper sentence structure. It won't give you any more credibility, but it will make your wishes of death on me and my nation a little less laughable. Unless being laughed at is what you're going for.
Soldier68wCA 2 years ago
your words show how silly kid you are .. grow up.. I'm sure you are still 9 years old .
Saudigirl19 2 years ago
and your words show that you're a racist and a murderer. And with all my 41 years, I'd rather be a "silly kid" than be what you are, which is a violent criminal.
Soldier68wCA 2 years ago
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Setsnaz1vdv 2 years ago