Who gives a fuck what Ken Wilbur thinks about anything? It is all verbose bullshit without much essence when bolded down. Ken's a cheap hedonistic. Go and have a look at these photos of Ken with the pumped up body. It is so obvious and so cheap.
It's not philosophy and it's not science. It's a psudoscience, no different than Eugenics or Homeopathic medicine, a total waste of time and congratulations, you are one of the thousands of people that buy into what he says. There is nothing spiritual about him. It's the same thing as John Edwards talking to the dead, he'll make you think he's actually doing it, and people think Ken Wilber is actually "spiritual" or "enlightened".
wow really?? john edwards comparison?? this is just a classic case of "i dont understand what he is saying, it sounds foriegn to me, therefore i am scared of this, but i cant let anyone know that my ego is scared of the possibility of higher stages of concsiousness, so i put down who is saying it aggresivelly". that thinking killed jesus, that thinking shunned gailelao. its basic psychology. and its understandable. if its all bullshit then y comment so much?but i agree that edwards is trash ha
It means something that we've never seen before. A more perfect union as it were. Progress and Productivity unbound, yet directed towards benefiting the planetary organism. Everything changes, yet the shells stay similar enough for people to accept them more easily. Everything accounted for, and wisdom as a branch of government. Speaking, not with gargen, not with double speak, not with nonsense, but with language that anyone can understand. The end of money and taxes, and suppression of mankind
No, it means that the government, which I have developed, is "yellow" according to the integral theory's graphing of spiritual awareness. The graph goes in a sequence of colors, each one representing a higher state of consciousness regarding the world. If you dont know what he means by these colors, then look it up. I had to in order to know that the new kind of government Ive developed is "yellow." Further, no. I dont even know what you mean, if you're being litteral or what. Be descriptive.
To assign a color to spiritual awareness deosn't even make sense man. It's just like Eckhart Tolle assging "Pain Bodies" to our own innate psycological conditions.
It makes some sense, being that there are degrees of awareness. I think you misinterpret awareness with spirituality--spirituality having nothing to do with our interpretation fo the world. Further, nothing is inate. Everything else is developed. The ego and the mind are aspects of the brain, but they develope depending upon the innumerable conditionalities inate in life. Variety is undeniable, and the spice of life. I do not espouse, but entertain these peoples ideas, in concert with my own.
I have disagree with you, there are many things that are innate in are psyche. Life is definanlty complex but explainable, unlike the things that Ken Wilber is trying to do.
Let's see. That world federation would include the nation state as an autonomous entity. International law would be informed by integral (marked as yellow) ideas.
I'm not the same as phvalue. It (Spiral Dynaimcs, wikipedia it, will clear stuff up) all started out in Abraham Maslow and Clair W. Graves, continued on with Don Beck and Chris Cowan. A human can and often does inhabit various levels of development, depending on circumstances, other factors. One can be 'a republican that appreciates science' as I like to put it, or a postmodernist who hates science because of its oppresiveness. One can be an integral human by accepting science and spirituality.
Ken Wilber has rNase syndrome. It causes problems with immunity. I'm sure you domgatically will continue to carry on the meme of the supposed Wilber cocaine addiction of which you have no proof at all. I reiterate, Ken Wilber has no addiction to cocaine. I do not know where that rumor came from. I suggest you try to find out for certain or cut the crap.
"Ken Wilber loves cocaine, that doesn't make what he's saying is right." Bullshit. No proof. It's just a rumor. Or is it a scientific claim? I didn't think so.
It's a psudo science, assigning a color to a theory may make it sound spiritual, amazin or scientific, but it is not a peer reviewed scientific theory or practice, it's a waste compared to real science. You can laugh all you want but I have the last laugh because I have real science backing what I say. Don't believe everything you read man, you take it way too seriously.
The colors are not important, but what the colors represent, are. The colors ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE THIS THEORY SEEM MORE SPIRITUAL. That is simply a false claim, an argument from ignorance.
I already have, you have to ask the question of why it's not a peer reviewed scientific theory. What it's doing is using an ambiguous word like "spiritual" to explain the ways of the world and ages. I can go even into more depth but It's useless, you are still going to think your right and I'm still going to die knowing that I am. I don't care about saying "I told you so" either. Nothing Ken Wilber claims is particulary amazing, I can recommend a few psychology books and you can do what he does.
Oh so you have trouble with all concepts of spirituality. I was talking about Spiral Dynamics, not Wilber's theories that have added some spiritual stuff to it. The deeper, more inclusive, 'higher' levels start to look spiritual, but even according to Wilber, no one level is more spiritual than the next or previous. Spirituality itself is deconstructed by quite a few who do not practice it. I see deconstruction as useful, especially decontruction of the universality claims of deconstructers.
spirituality is just a word. im a atheist, i dont belive in utopian idealism or any form of it. but i have been meditating for over a year and read over 40 books on psychology, phil, and eastern wisdom. i conducted my own test thru experiance. you are just condemning this because you dont understand it. if your so fond of science, then take the scientific method and test it. then you can dismiss it. your and the people who thought the earth was flat have a lot in common. all talk no action.
Whats the color of a hat? Hotdog. That's an example of what you just tried to make a connection, in the line of reason we call that a non sequitur. I have nothing in common with people with someone who thinks the earth is flat and no I can't dismiss the scientific method. I don't dismiss the scientific method unlike what you call "eastern wisdom" is babble. Philosophy is secular, always has been, always will be.
what dont you understand about my argument... all im sayin is that your condemning something that your have no real experiance of, your just dismissing an idea because its unfamilar to you. eastern wisdom is not babble. when you get passed the verbage used to attempt to explain complex ideas and get to the essence of it, i dont see how you could seriously call it babble... ps. this is with all do respect, just a friendly debate, not trying to be disrespectful at all my friend. just like debate
and meditation, which is the central practive of eastern wisdom has been proving in many fields and many studies to have remarkable benefits for body and mind. that cannot be argued, schools of thought ranging from psychology to philosophy to biology to quantum physics all have proved the validity of the benefits of meditation. all other words and verbal ideas about eastern wisdom does tend to get bogged down in abstract language which tends to make it seem supernatural or something to some.
When you can prove that quantum physics has anything to do with meditation, you deserve a Nobel Prize for physics. I didn't say anything about meditation, you brought that to your argument. Ken Wilber is making money off of obscurity, not off validity, thats why he's an asshole. If you were to claim his freedom of speech allows him to do what he does, I have no quams about it. However, he is speaking from a position of validity which is deceiving. I'm not here to debate, thank you.
Don't criticize the color, but what is arbitrarily assigned to that color. The colors in Spiral Dynamics are used as tools to memorize and to some extent, to relate to the levels represented.
The task of Spiral Dynamics wasn't to assign colors for spiritual reasons, but as a memorizing aide. You can deny developmental psychological factors on a collective scale all your heart desires.
Someone came up with poetic meaning for them. The beige meant the savannah, the purple was the first dye used to paint and illustrate stuff, red means bloodfeuds and heroic battles, blue is the sky gods domain, orange is the melting of industrial iron, green is the earth that may be green, yellow is I don't remember what that was called, turquoise is radiant clarity and nonfear of perfection.
States of consciousness and stages are not the same. Each state can be experienced at each stage of psycho-socio-spiritual development, but stages allways emerge in sequence.
Who gives a fuck what Ken Wilbur thinks about anything? It is all verbose bullshit without much essence when bolded down. Ken's a cheap hedonistic. Go and have a look at these photos of Ken with the pumped up body. It is so obvious and so cheap.
sfmurk 1 month ago
What's mystery man? Orange Rational Modern slipping back in to blue occasionally
utahjustin 1 year ago
THANK YOU, Dusttown, for posting this and all the Ken Wilber and the link to Sacred Mountain and the KW talks posted there.
sacca7 2 years ago
It's not philosophy and it's not science. It's a psudoscience, no different than Eugenics or Homeopathic medicine, a total waste of time and congratulations, you are one of the thousands of people that buy into what he says. There is nothing spiritual about him. It's the same thing as John Edwards talking to the dead, he'll make you think he's actually doing it, and people think Ken Wilber is actually "spiritual" or "enlightened".
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
wow really?? john edwards comparison?? this is just a classic case of "i dont understand what he is saying, it sounds foriegn to me, therefore i am scared of this, but i cant let anyone know that my ego is scared of the possibility of higher stages of concsiousness, so i put down who is saying it aggresivelly". that thinking killed jesus, that thinking shunned gailelao. its basic psychology. and its understandable. if its all bullshit then y comment so much?but i agree that edwards is trash ha
SelfAware1 2 years ago
I have no clue what you are talking about.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
In an A'N' (yellow) government Wilber wouldn't be allowed to publish this speech.
clarinetato 2 years ago
Do you really mean that? Why?
MaBu888 2 years ago
I have concieved of a yellow center of gravity world government . Anyone want to see it?
phvalue323 3 years ago
Hmm yeah... ;
MaBu888 3 years ago
What does that even mean?
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
It means something that we've never seen before. A more perfect union as it were. Progress and Productivity unbound, yet directed towards benefiting the planetary organism. Everything changes, yet the shells stay similar enough for people to accept them more easily. Everything accounted for, and wisdom as a branch of government. Speaking, not with gargen, not with double speak, not with nonsense, but with language that anyone can understand. The end of money and taxes, and suppression of mankind
phvalue323 2 years ago
If you are saying thats what a yellow ball of one force in the univese is, I have to disagree and you are unrealistic, so is Ken Wilber.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
No, it means that the government, which I have developed, is "yellow" according to the integral theory's graphing of spiritual awareness. The graph goes in a sequence of colors, each one representing a higher state of consciousness regarding the world. If you dont know what he means by these colors, then look it up. I had to in order to know that the new kind of government Ive developed is "yellow." Further, no. I dont even know what you mean, if you're being litteral or what. Be descriptive.
phvalue323 2 years ago
To assign a color to spiritual awareness deosn't even make sense man. It's just like Eckhart Tolle assging "Pain Bodies" to our own innate psycological conditions.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
It makes some sense, being that there are degrees of awareness. I think you misinterpret awareness with spirituality--spirituality having nothing to do with our interpretation fo the world. Further, nothing is inate. Everything else is developed. The ego and the mind are aspects of the brain, but they develope depending upon the innumerable conditionalities inate in life. Variety is undeniable, and the spice of life. I do not espouse, but entertain these peoples ideas, in concert with my own.
phvalue323 2 years ago
I have disagree with you, there are many things that are innate in are psyche. Life is definanlty complex but explainable, unlike the things that Ken Wilber is trying to do.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Whatever dude, what makes you think my ego cares what you have to say? You, with the mantal age of a child.
phvalue323 2 years ago
Let's see. That world federation would include the nation state as an autonomous entity. International law would be informed by integral (marked as yellow) ideas.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
So they are highlighted, what makes that so special.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
These colors are completely arbitrary. However, there are discernible features that make each stage of development 'special' or different.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Again no clue what the hell you are talking about, who gives a damn what the colors are, the issue is whats important.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
What issue? Developmental psychology?
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I'm not the same as phvalue. It (Spiral Dynaimcs, wikipedia it, will clear stuff up) all started out in Abraham Maslow and Clair W. Graves, continued on with Don Beck and Chris Cowan. A human can and often does inhabit various levels of development, depending on circumstances, other factors. One can be 'a republican that appreciates science' as I like to put it, or a postmodernist who hates science because of its oppresiveness. One can be an integral human by accepting science and spirituality.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Thats not science...
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
What is not science? Developmental psychology?
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Ken Wilber loves cocaine, that doesn't make what he's saying is right
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Ken Wilber has rNase syndrome. It causes problems with immunity. I'm sure you domgatically will continue to carry on the meme of the supposed Wilber cocaine addiction of which you have no proof at all. I reiterate, Ken Wilber has no addiction to cocaine. I do not know where that rumor came from. I suggest you try to find out for certain or cut the crap.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
"Ken Wilber loves cocaine, that doesn't make what he's saying is right." Bullshit. No proof. It's just a rumor. Or is it a scientific claim? I didn't think so.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
OK readress the cocaine please... just for fun mkay.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Spiral Dynamics is a psudo-science just like Eckhart Tolle's work is a psudo-religion
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Spiral dynamics is not a pseudoscience. I do think Eckhart Tolle's work is not even religiion, but just is spirituality.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
spiral dynamics is a psudo-science
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Still not giving any reasons LOL!
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
It's a psudo science, assigning a color to a theory may make it sound spiritual, amazin or scientific, but it is not a peer reviewed scientific theory or practice, it's a waste compared to real science. You can laugh all you want but I have the last laugh because I have real science backing what I say. Don't believe everything you read man, you take it way too seriously.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
It is a peer reviewed scientific theory.
The colors are not important, but what the colors represent, are. The colors ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE THIS THEORY SEEM MORE SPIRITUAL. That is simply a false claim, an argument from ignorance.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
psudo science, not real science
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
"psudo science, not real science" you've said it tons of times, now please elaborate.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I already have, you have to ask the question of why it's not a peer reviewed scientific theory. What it's doing is using an ambiguous word like "spiritual" to explain the ways of the world and ages. I can go even into more depth but It's useless, you are still going to think your right and I'm still going to die knowing that I am. I don't care about saying "I told you so" either. Nothing Ken Wilber claims is particulary amazing, I can recommend a few psychology books and you can do what he does.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Oh so you have trouble with all concepts of spirituality. I was talking about Spiral Dynamics, not Wilber's theories that have added some spiritual stuff to it. The deeper, more inclusive, 'higher' levels start to look spiritual, but even according to Wilber, no one level is more spiritual than the next or previous. Spirituality itself is deconstructed by quite a few who do not practice it. I see deconstruction as useful, especially decontruction of the universality claims of deconstructers.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Spirituality is bullshit, at least in the sense of how Ken WIlber, Echhart Trolle describe it anyways.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Sure why not.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
spirituality is just a word. im a atheist, i dont belive in utopian idealism or any form of it. but i have been meditating for over a year and read over 40 books on psychology, phil, and eastern wisdom. i conducted my own test thru experiance. you are just condemning this because you dont understand it. if your so fond of science, then take the scientific method and test it. then you can dismiss it. your and the people who thought the earth was flat have a lot in common. all talk no action.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
Whats the color of a hat? Hotdog. That's an example of what you just tried to make a connection, in the line of reason we call that a non sequitur. I have nothing in common with people with someone who thinks the earth is flat and no I can't dismiss the scientific method. I don't dismiss the scientific method unlike what you call "eastern wisdom" is babble. Philosophy is secular, always has been, always will be.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
what dont you understand about my argument... all im sayin is that your condemning something that your have no real experiance of, your just dismissing an idea because its unfamilar to you. eastern wisdom is not babble. when you get passed the verbage used to attempt to explain complex ideas and get to the essence of it, i dont see how you could seriously call it babble... ps. this is with all do respect, just a friendly debate, not trying to be disrespectful at all my friend. just like debate
SelfAware1 2 years ago
and meditation, which is the central practive of eastern wisdom has been proving in many fields and many studies to have remarkable benefits for body and mind. that cannot be argued, schools of thought ranging from psychology to philosophy to biology to quantum physics all have proved the validity of the benefits of meditation. all other words and verbal ideas about eastern wisdom does tend to get bogged down in abstract language which tends to make it seem supernatural or something to some.
SelfAware1 2 years ago
When you can prove that quantum physics has anything to do with meditation, you deserve a Nobel Prize for physics. I didn't say anything about meditation, you brought that to your argument. Ken Wilber is making money off of obscurity, not off validity, thats why he's an asshole. If you were to claim his freedom of speech allows him to do what he does, I have no quams about it. However, he is speaking from a position of validity which is deceiving. I'm not here to debate, thank you.
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
Don't criticize the color, but what is arbitrarily assigned to that color. The colors in Spiral Dynamics are used as tools to memorize and to some extent, to relate to the levels represented.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Spiral dynamics is not a spirtual theory, it just accepts phenomenology and intersubjectivity, in addition to objective findings.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
OK, you forgot to answer: how do you debunk this theory? Simply calling it something is not enough.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
The task of Spiral Dynamics wasn't to assign colors for spiritual reasons, but as a memorizing aide. You can deny developmental psychological factors on a collective scale all your heart desires.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
On what basis do you call the premises of Spiral Dynamics false?
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Someone came up with poetic meaning for them. The beige meant the savannah, the purple was the first dye used to paint and illustrate stuff, red means bloodfeuds and heroic battles, blue is the sky gods domain, orange is the melting of industrial iron, green is the earth that may be green, yellow is I don't remember what that was called, turquoise is radiant clarity and nonfear of perfection.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
States of consciousness and stages are not the same. Each state can be experienced at each stage of psycho-socio-spiritual development, but stages allways emerge in sequence.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
The colors aren't supposed to signify anything within the model itself.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Interesting video :)
midas41 3 years ago