There shall be no rest for us till we bring back the peace to Middle east then to World. In Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's words "peace at home, peace in the world" .
That peace has been taken away by TEMPORARY enemies and future followers. They twisted the people in the whole world human and the earth they sucked up everything.
Probably what is going to happen is that Nationalist revolutions will sweep trough Europe and North America, destroying ZOG. And deporting all the non-White immigrants. At the same time, an Islamic revolution will sweep the Muslim world. Then we will get into territorial disputes and go into WW3. Whoever loses this battle, will disappear forever. It will be the biggest war in the history of Earth. There probably will be no victor and we will have huge losses and East Asia will rise ANDconquerUS
The guy's a retard. I'm not disputing Turkey's ascension but they were a dominant power for only a very short period, after which they were eclipsed by even the small Western European nations. 17th biggest economy is not particularly amazing. That's smaller than the NL and look how big they are.
@halfbakedc00kie "they were a dominant power for only a very short period, after which they were eclipsed by even the small Western European nations." Are you trying to show how ignorant you are? Ottoman Empire were domminant for centuries and even helped your pityfull country to gain some economic strength because they are allies. But ofcoures your eurocentric manufactured history which is based on Western racism doesn't like to show that. Get educated before you comment.
@Roninist Unfortunately I am educated. For at least 60% of the Ottoman Empire's existence they were completely at the mercy of Russia. Only Britain prevented Constantinople being conquered by the Russians who'd always worked to take it. YOU need to learn history. Look at the Crimean war.
@halfbakedc00kie :D Yes you show how much you are educated by saying at %60 of the existence of Ottomans were at mercy of Russia. Ironicly in the %60 of their existence, they didn't even had contact with Russians. :D Learn about Purut before talking about English strategic move to stop Russians expansion which began with holly leage. That's the brief and fast disintegration period of Ottomans and consists of relatively short time. Ottomans founded in 1298 you typical western ignorant idiot.
Its very hard to choose between the south and the west ( Hungary ). In the old times Hungary chose the west, but still strong enough to defend its self not to became a part of The German Roman Empire, Like nowdays Switz does "in" EU.
despite I would like the idea that turkey become more powerful, it is useless to say that turkey is dominating the world. I hope my country gets more and more powerful, but not in military, but in economy! Her sey vatan icin!
turkish power isnt about economy its about historical . Turkey can rule arab worlds and Turkic worlds . Turkey can create new alliance . Turkic union(300m) Muslim union(1.6 b) Also Turkey has young population . Only think there is 30 m Turkic in iran 50 m in China Half of Russia are Turkic . Germany is a new Turkey There are alot of reasons . Next 50 years China VS Turkey
im just glad turkeys not in europe. its sweet how things change. fact is that turkey no longer needs to be in europe as itsthe strongest military power in europe and asia. this includes countries such as germany france uk and so on. there is only one country in europe that comes close wwhich is the uk. the difference is turkey is just growing at a phenomenal rate and uk isnt. europe is no longer the power it was. future is turkey,usa, japan,russia and maybe china. rest will just fit in .
@SirMonkeySocks " turkeys not in europe"-Istanbul is in Europe. Except if you mean the EU.
" strongest military power in europe and asia"-Stronger then Russia, China, India, Germany, France, UK, Italy lol...Even claiming that Turkey is the strongest military power in the middle east is disputable. Turkey bearly has half of the military spending of italy lol.
Fact is EU is stronger then any country, And about growth, the growth of UK in 2009 was higher then the one of turkey as was France.
@Teranex watch georger friedman predicts world war 3.. the guy is american central intelligence that specialises at what he talks about. he isnt a turk and certainly not a turk lover. watch and learn son.. he doesnt say turkey is the best. he says turkey is the best by faaaaaaaaaaaarr.. i dont base my facts on involved parties or what i think. i research non involved parties opinions. and not some stupid prees person or an idiot sitting at home making make belief videos. people that matter..
@SirMonkeySocks "georger friedman predicts world war 3."-I did watch it in fact. He doesnt predict world war 3 at all.
" not a turk lover"-Actually he loves Poland and Turkey. Because they suits his theory about how strong they will become, while he predicts the collapse of china and Russia and totally ignores the EU. And is imagining that the US will keep its leading role in the world.
"make belief videos"-All i said is provable and is fact, if you need a source i will gladly provide it.
@SirMonkeySocks George also states that he cant imagine that nay nation will surpass the US in the next 100 years, while even people on American universities think that china will surpass USA in about 50 years. So he is alone whit his fairy tales. And he wants turkey to succeed because it would prove him right. You will have to accept the Turkeys playce in the world as 17# nation because it wont get much higher.
I see we have an misunderstanding here i was talking about the GDP (Nominal), per which I checked turkey is still 17th, per the GDP (PPP) (What you are probably referring to), Turkey is:
-International Monetary Fund-16th
-List by the World Bank -15th
-CIA World Factbook -17th
(AKA an average of 16th)
So no I'm not disappointed, my information is correct.
@PredatorPsycho How can i be wrong on a year which doesn't even yet exist. Lol you are contradicting yourself. Not to mention you didn't provide any information or a source whatsoever, so what right do you have to say that I'm wrong.
And even in consideration to your growth which was minuscule this year (1.1%) you seriously believe that turkey is 15th? Get some facts and don't base your opinion on patriotism.
@Teranex I don't use my opinion.Lol i think u got me wrong.I mean when we get to 2011 the report of 2010 will be ready.And here is my truth it's from one of the most known sources wikipedia.
@PredatorPsycho Thats the exact same source i used and Turkey is 16# in average, you just picked the best possible measurement for Turkey ignoring the one placing it on the 16# and 17# spot. Which clearly proves how subjective and opinionated you are on the subject.
Turkey is a weak country sucking european asses for decades to let them in EU. There is nothing special about turkey. In their best situation they are a third world country that islamists and brutal ultra nationalist parties competing for the power.
@rouzbeh61 :)) what a stupid comment.. lol.. smelling all jealous..
Turkey is a third world country which is producing her own war ships which has %98 stealth (the highest rate today in the world), and selling them to Canada, Australia, Pakistan and etc.. Turkey is gonna produce her own new generation Tanks in the near future (in 5 years). and will sell it to all of her allies in asia and middle east. Turkey is producing her UAV planes (which is only a few countries producing it today)
@rouzbeh61 and my claims ? not claim just search AMT TANK , MLGEM, T-129 ATAK HELICOTPER, MEHMETÇİK - 1 RIFLE, ANKA UAV MALE PLANE, TURNA, HÜRKUŞ, PANTER LONG RANGE HOWITZER, FIRTINA ARMED-MOTORIZED LONG RANGE HOWITZER, TOROS-J MISSILE, BAYRAKTAR, and so many more....
You can find enough information about them on wikipedia. even in youtube, there are videos... and also for more information -----> trdefence c-o-m
and also i can tell u to search TAI projects, ASELSAN projects.
@rouzbeh61 lisen, i don t need to make u belive. but it seems u have no knowledge about this stuff. if u knew that u would know, Greece nothing about weapon industry. they r always buying, no producing anything. there s nothing which is producing in greece. (if u know any, show me an example).
Iran? they are claimming they produced new planes and stuff. but their airforces are mostly conteinning US F-4. they are modernizin those planes and saying it s a new plane. everyone knows it.
@rouzbeh61 Turkey has the most stronger navy in the medditerian sea. and 3 years ago russian defence ministry anounced that Turkey is stronger than Russia in Black Sea anymore. Turkey has the 2th stronger airforce after Isael in middle-east and when the new F-35s and JS-18s joined to TUAF, TUAF will be the most stronger in the region in 12 years. Turkey is 3th world country.. :))) countinue to ur sleep... when you awake you will surprise so much !
@Teranex i ididn t claim that Turkey is the 3th biggest economy of the world. my words a reply for someone who said " Turkey is 3th WORLD" country. and i just aske which third world country can produce her own stealth war crafts (except fighter jets). get it ?
you know what, making comments before knowing the topic is showing u ignorant.
btw, whatever i wrote there, everything can be proven. and really in the near future Turkish army stronger than any europen country.
@muzaffer0618 Turkey is a first world country (Second at worst), it was never concepted as third world whatsoever. And the way you written it just shows you bad English/knowledge of your own country. And surpass any European country? Turkey will never surpass France, Germany, UK and Russia. So yes pls go ahead and prove your statement.
@Teranex :) just a small example to you : Turkey is increasing her millitary budget (40 billions dollars) and so many europen countries reducing their millitary spends (for example france 38 billions dollars). i know millitary udget is not a criterion but economically turkey is developing very fast too. 10 years ago turkey was 26th biggest economy of the world but today Turkey is 17th.
And don t hope so much from Russia. their economy is based on oil and gas exporting. just like araps
@Teranex before ur insulting words, try to understand what i am meanning. Turkish weapon industry is becoming a big competitor to europen weapon industry. Turkey is producing almost everything (except fighter jets) and capturing europen company's markets. even ASELSAN made a high export to holland army 1 year ago. and Turkey also trying to capture the arabian markets. and until today it was very successfull. so many islam country who doesn t wanna make bussines with christians, prefering turkey.
@muzaffer0618 " insulting words"-There were none. Its insulting that you even claim such a thing.
"europen weapon industry"-Prove it. On which fields exactly? Seriously simply claiming stuff and not backing it up. Not one of the military Technologies produced in Turkey match European products.
"producing"-The emphasis here is on PRODUCING and NOT developing. Every medium country is producing its own arms (even Belgium), its done in order to prevent dependency on other states.
@muzaffer0618 "capturing europen company's markets"-Which markets. Again another claim and nothing to back it up. The European companies have a hold on your market and many industries (Textile for example) are being redeployed to you because of the cheap labor force.
"holland army 1 year ago"-No details? Such a shame...What exacly did they export? Mind sharing that information?
"trying"-Emphasis on Trying.
"very successfull"-Another subjective claim and no additional information.
@Teranex of course there are details.. but why should i write here ? do i need to teach you something ? it s ur own responisbility... not mine. but though u wish a detay, i can tell u the exporting was about "stinger fire-control systeams" . and the company was ASELSAN. just search it. and FNSS is also importing so various goods to other countries. such as Malaysia.
@Teranex and MILGEM class corvet war-ships are exporting to pakistan and even canada-australia and etc. interested in with MILGEM class frigates. (will be the next generation) btw this class of war ships had the higest stealth rate (97%) till uk builted their new gen. destroyer. (however we can t compare a destroyer and frigate.)
which markets ? as you see, malaysian, pakstani and many other islamic countries are interesting in turkish defence industry (such as malaysia and ALTAY tank project)
@muzaffer0618 "higest stealth rate (97%) till uk"-And that again proves my point (And its rather qestionable if even the first part of your comment is true).
"which markets"-OK but no European market? You specifically claimed European in your comment.
"afghan"-So you basically wanna say that if a Muslim buys of a Christian its nothing about religion , but if a Christan buys of a Christan or a Muslim of a Muslim it has to do something with religion lol? You know how lol that sounds right?
@muzaffer0618 "bussines with christians"-It has nothing to do with relgion.
"her millitary budget (40 billions dollars)"-Turkey is the 16th nation per its military budget. The first European country behind turkey is Greece. And the first European country above Turkey is Italy with twice the expenditures Turkey has. So turkey is way behind Europe.
@Teranex for you bussines nothing to do with religion, but why don t u ask it to pakistanian, afghan, malaysian, iranian, indonesian countries ? after they heard that turkey has builted a UAV male plane, they immediatly showed their interest. (instead of israel and their supporter of usa+europe, they will prefer turkey)
@muzaffer0618 "of israel and their supporter of usa+europe"-Thats because they A)Don't acknowledge Israel as a sovereign nation (And those are Jews not Christians) and B)No western country would sell them such technology. It has nothing to do with religon at all.
"embrassing questiones"-Embarrassing for you. As I said back up your comment with proof, prove yourself right, otherwise you are just another claimer.
@muzaffer0618 "is developing very fast too"-Again another subjective information, not backed up. "GDP growth -4.7% (2009)-Turkey"-"GDP growth -4.9%(2009)-Germany"-"GDP growth -2.6% (2009)-France"-"GDP growth 1.6% (2009/10)" The economic growth of Turkey is behind in comparison to most major European states (Thats negative growth because of the economic crisis).
"their economy is based on oil"-And they are the 5th greatest arms exporter in the world and Saudi Arabia is 8th.
@Teranex really i am tired of replying you. instead of searching Turkish Export Market, u are coming and asking me embrassing questiones. if u need informations really, just search these things : TAI, TEI, ASELSAN, FSSN, NUROL, OTOKAR, ROKETSAN.. there arre others also but these are the most mporting ones. and also it can be useful for u if u search ANKA, BAYRAKTAR, ALTAI project, MILGEM class sea war crafts..
@muzaffer0618 I made an error, Russia has 5th largest military budget and Saudi Arabia has the 9th largest, while Russia is the second greatest arms exporter in the world and Turkey is not even on the list (Its not between the first 15).
So turkey is way behind, proven fact. But once you are absorbed into the EU you will provide us with the necessary workforce. So we all will benefit.
@Teranex btw, i am kind of economist and i really know all those indicators about my country. but u just see the things as u wanna see. for example. i was talking about millitary markets and turkey's developing speed in this market.
and yes. really russian economy is not in safe. u can belive whatever u want to belive. u will underderstand what i mean 20 years later.
@muzaffer0618 " i was talking"-You were specificaly mentioning turkish economy and how much it has grown. I can quote you on it, so you dont even need to try to talk your way out. About arms exports Turkey is not even on the first 15 nations.
"is not in safe"-Experts claim the chinese economic model cant work for 40 years and doest it work? Yes it does.
@Teranex btw, i am not sure about if Turkish nation will join to EU. recently the surveys shows that Turks do not wish to join to EU. it s something like " we will be enough strong when the time comes, so why should do we join ? "
@muzaffer0618 "do not wish to join to EU"-A)You would recive delopment founds from the EU. B)It would be too costy to quit negotiations at this point C)What people demand is normaly not in their interest anyhow D)The opening up of the european market for turkey (And thats when turkish military industry might acctualy sell somthing to an EU country) E)In order to persue its national intersts its also in the interest of Turkey to join.
1- you are writing here which are i never said. (i never said all Turkey's exports are through europe that europe is nothing already. )
2- even i don t need to prove what i am saying. coz i am not a baby sitter. a normal student ( u wanna learn so you are) need to prove the facts by itself by searching.
3- "yes it does" -> ? so u know the future better than everyone. good talent.
4- i never said turkey is in the top of arms exporter. but i said developing very fast.
@muzaffer0618 "Turkish weapon industry is becoming a big competitor to europen weapon industry."-"capturing europen company's markets"-Which European market did Turkey capture? None.
"europe is nothing already"-I dont get that part.
"even i don t need to prove what i am saying"-Yes you do, if you don't you are just a claimer and your claims can be dismissed. While i did prove my statements thus making my comment superior to yours.
@muzaffer0618 "without any searching"-How do you think i know that turkey is not in the top 15# arms exporters cause i checked it up. If you want any of my statements backed up by prof then simply ask for it and i gladly provide you with it.
"first turkic horseman"-Whatever that should mean.
" u have to search it."-Lol so typical. People like you normally ask for someone else to prove their point. A)I already have proven you wrong B)Its up to you to prove yourself right and not up to me.
@Teranex listen.. i already know what u told me all. just the thing is u never understood what i was meanning. for exm. u in an another comment u said to someone that "turkey has half millitary budget of italy" :) do u know where is ur mistake ? this indcators are changing every year. in 2010 france is 38 billion dollar, italy 40,5 billion dollars, turkey 40 b. dollars.
if we compare these things, we usually look at a period. but if u want to be more spsifc than this see my next comment.
@muzaffer0618 "if we compare these things, we usually look at a period. but if u want to be more spsifc than this see my next comment."-I want a source for your information. Because you are basically saying that Turkish military expenditures have multiplied by 2 in only one year in the midst of an economic crisis. That could only happen during war times.
@muzaffer0618 "france is 38 billion"-What are you talking about? French military expenditures never went blow 60 bil in the last 30 years. All the information i provided here comes from the Stockholm international peace research institute. I know now for certain that you are lying.
@muzaffer0618 "so u know the future better than everyone. good talent."-The only one who claims to know the future is you, with russian economy "collapsing" lol. Then perhaps you should rearead my comment, where i say that the "Experts claim the Chinese economic model cant work for 40 years" I'm not referring to the future I'm referring to the past. They are saying for 40 years that the Chinese economic model cant work out.
@muzaffer0618 " i never said turkey is in the top of arms exporter. but i said developing very fast."-The first part basically covers the other, by constantly claiming how successfully Turkey is wile in reality there is nothing to back that up. If it was successful it would be one of the top 15.
@Teranex 5- we don t look at the country's today indicators. but we compare them in a period. like 5 years period. (when i said i meant last 10 years period.) so, compare turkey's last 10 years period & and 10 years period of single europen country's period.
6-is no matter what cost togive up. will europe pay any cost if they give up ? only turkey decide it that will she join or not.
7- ASELSAN.. just search that company. it has english website for you. ;)
@muzaffer0618 "but we compare them in a period"-Even so turkeys growth inst greater then the European.
"only turkey decide it that will she join or not."-Its turkey who wants to join the eu, you asked for membership. EU didnt invite you. And you are still implementing the reforms demanded by the EU, so its pretty obvious that you want to join.
"just search that company"-I wont do your work. Prove yourself right. I can back up everything i write here, but you seemingly cant.
@Teranex italy air force : AMX International AMX --74 Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon --29 Panavia Tornado --75 Eurofighter Typhoon --39 Turkish airforce : f-16 C/D Block 40 / 50 - 203 f-5 The terminator - 50 F-35 light. II - 0 (130) (ordered) as you see... even from here u can see that there s no so much differency. even Turkey s in front of italy. but next year it can change. u get it ? u are just looking at today. but we don t . i can give other mil. inventory numbers also.
@muzaffer0618 Acctualy Italy spends twice the cash on its military then Turkey does. So its way ahead one way or another. Playing on numbers doesnt work in modern times.
"turkey 40 b. dollars"-The Stockholm international institute for peace says that in 2009 Turkey spent 19bil on its military While Italy in the same year spent 37 Bil. So please provide me with a source which says that Turkey spends 40 Bil this year lol. While its military expenditures were decreasing since 2004 (Per itsGDP).
We are going to open the GOLDEN GATE, the Carpathian Basin for our brotherly nation Turkey to create a natural balance within the European Union. We can't let the Germans and French to rule the EU and drive our economy to nowhere.
@kekvirag1 Germany and France have great economies. It's slacker countries like Portugal, Ireland, and most of Southeastern Europe that are holding back the EU. Or are the EU's socialist wealth-distribution policies to blame?
The Turkish Government have to negotiate with the Central European Hungarians newly elected Government later this year 2010, about the establishment of SOUTH EAST EUROPEAN UNION, which could protect the region ENERGY CORRIDORS !!!!
@hrvatinaism
I can block you. Please comment in the below mentioned languages.
Scytalh 1 month ago
Some commented in Russian or Kroatian.
It's better to comment only in English, German, French or Turkish.
Scytalh 1 month ago
@hrvatinaism
Scytalh 1 month ago
the roman empire is comming back,,,
JayGatsbyOdysseus 2 months ago
@1nosferatu2
It's always nonsense when someone tells the Turks are founding an empire, again, just like they did dozen of times in the past...
Scytalh 3 months ago
HEY! Dreams are free! No way this will ever happen. Serbia + Greece <3
doeggza 5 months ago
@doeggza Cause it did happen 3 times already!
KonyaliSelim14 3 months ago
There shall be no rest for us till we bring back the peace to Middle east then to World. In Mustafa Kemal Ataturk's words "peace at home, peace in the world" .
That peace has been taken away by TEMPORARY enemies and future followers. They twisted the people in the whole world human and the earth they sucked up everything.
THUMP UP FOR "peace at home, peace in the world"
CMKaplan 6 months ago
Vkrete, I've deleted your comment. If you want to comment, do it without insulting.
Scytalh 6 months ago
A szebb és boldogabb jövőt nem csak óhajtani kell, de AKTIVAN részt kell venni annak alakitásában! Áldás!
kekvirag11 10 months ago
Probably what is going to happen is that Nationalist revolutions will sweep trough Europe and North America, destroying ZOG. And deporting all the non-White immigrants. At the same time, an Islamic revolution will sweep the Muslim world. Then we will get into territorial disputes and go into WW3. Whoever loses this battle, will disappear forever. It will be the biggest war in the history of Earth. There probably will be no victor and we will have huge losses and East Asia will rise ANDconquerUS
Slavko961234 10 months ago
haha... oh well im sure theres a few people who will buy that book and believe every single word :P
MuayThaiViking 10 months ago
@MuayThaiViking THEY always predict! (Supposed u got me!...)xDD
Hollandia777 9 months ago
The guy's a retard. I'm not disputing Turkey's ascension but they were a dominant power for only a very short period, after which they were eclipsed by even the small Western European nations. 17th biggest economy is not particularly amazing. That's smaller than the NL and look how big they are.
halfbakedc00kie 11 months ago
@halfbakedc00kie "they were a dominant power for only a very short period, after which they were eclipsed by even the small Western European nations." Are you trying to show how ignorant you are? Ottoman Empire were domminant for centuries and even helped your pityfull country to gain some economic strength because they are allies. But ofcoures your eurocentric manufactured history which is based on Western racism doesn't like to show that. Get educated before you comment.
Roninist 11 months ago
@Roninist Unfortunately I am educated. For at least 60% of the Ottoman Empire's existence they were completely at the mercy of Russia. Only Britain prevented Constantinople being conquered by the Russians who'd always worked to take it. YOU need to learn history. Look at the Crimean war.
halfbakedc00kie 11 months ago
@halfbakedc00kie :D Yes you show how much you are educated by saying at %60 of the existence of Ottomans were at mercy of Russia. Ironicly in the %60 of their existence, they didn't even had contact with Russians. :D Learn about Purut before talking about English strategic move to stop Russians expansion which began with holly leage. That's the brief and fast disintegration period of Ottomans and consists of relatively short time. Ottomans founded in 1298 you typical western ignorant idiot.
Roninist 11 months ago
Its very hard to choose between the south and the west ( Hungary ). In the old times Hungary chose the west, but still strong enough to defend its self not to became a part of The German Roman Empire, Like nowdays Switz does "in" EU.
dawed94 1 year ago
despite I would like the idea that turkey become more powerful, it is useless to say that turkey is dominating the world. I hope my country gets more and more powerful, but not in military, but in economy! Her sey vatan icin!
m3tm4n 1 year ago
turkish power isnt about economy its about historical . Turkey can rule arab worlds and Turkic worlds . Turkey can create new alliance . Turkic union(300m) Muslim union(1.6 b) Also Turkey has young population . Only think there is 30 m Turkic in iran 50 m in China Half of Russia are Turkic . Germany is a new Turkey There are alot of reasons . Next 50 years China VS Turkey
Tengri89 1 year ago
im just glad turkeys not in europe. its sweet how things change. fact is that turkey no longer needs to be in europe as itsthe strongest military power in europe and asia. this includes countries such as germany france uk and so on. there is only one country in europe that comes close wwhich is the uk. the difference is turkey is just growing at a phenomenal rate and uk isnt. europe is no longer the power it was. future is turkey,usa, japan,russia and maybe china. rest will just fit in .
SirMonkeySocks 1 year ago
@SirMonkeySocks " turkeys not in europe"-Istanbul is in Europe. Except if you mean the EU.
" strongest military power in europe and asia"-Stronger then Russia, China, India, Germany, France, UK, Italy lol...Even claiming that Turkey is the strongest military power in the middle east is disputable. Turkey bearly has half of the military spending of italy lol.
Fact is EU is stronger then any country, And about growth, the growth of UK in 2009 was higher then the one of turkey as was France.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex watch georger friedman predicts world war 3.. the guy is american central intelligence that specialises at what he talks about. he isnt a turk and certainly not a turk lover. watch and learn son.. he doesnt say turkey is the best. he says turkey is the best by faaaaaaaaaaaarr.. i dont base my facts on involved parties or what i think. i research non involved parties opinions. and not some stupid prees person or an idiot sitting at home making make belief videos. people that matter..
SirMonkeySocks 1 year ago
@SirMonkeySocks "georger friedman predicts world war 3."-I did watch it in fact. He doesnt predict world war 3 at all.
" not a turk lover"-Actually he loves Poland and Turkey. Because they suits his theory about how strong they will become, while he predicts the collapse of china and Russia and totally ignores the EU. And is imagining that the US will keep its leading role in the world.
"make belief videos"-All i said is provable and is fact, if you need a source i will gladly provide it.
Teranex 1 year ago
@SirMonkeySocks George also states that he cant imagine that nay nation will surpass the US in the next 100 years, while even people on American universities think that china will surpass USA in about 50 years. So he is alone whit his fairy tales. And he wants turkey to succeed because it would prove him right. You will have to accept the Turkeys playce in the world as 17# nation because it wont get much higher.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex
"It wont get much higher."
You'll be disappointed. Check "Turkey 15th".
Scytalh 1 year ago
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Teranex 1 year ago
I see we have an misunderstanding here i was talking about the GDP (Nominal), per which I checked turkey is still 17th, per the GDP (PPP) (What you are probably referring to), Turkey is:
-International Monetary Fund-16th
-List by the World Bank -15th
-CIA World Factbook -17th
(AKA an average of 16th)
So no I'm not disappointed, my information is correct.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex It's still the information from 2009.On 2011 You may check it again and understand you are wrong
PredatorPsycho 1 year ago
@PredatorPsycho How can i be wrong on a year which doesn't even yet exist. Lol you are contradicting yourself. Not to mention you didn't provide any information or a source whatsoever, so what right do you have to say that I'm wrong.
And even in consideration to your growth which was minuscule this year (1.1%) you seriously believe that turkey is 15th? Get some facts and don't base your opinion on patriotism.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex I don't use my opinion.Lol i think u got me wrong.I mean when we get to 2011 the report of 2010 will be ready.And here is my truth it's from one of the most known sources wikipedia.
wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29
PredatorPsycho 1 year ago
@PredatorPsycho Thats the exact same source i used and Turkey is 16# in average, you just picked the best possible measurement for Turkey ignoring the one placing it on the 16# and 17# spot. Which clearly proves how subjective and opinionated you are on the subject.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex That's amazingly right.I prefer discussing with someone knowing like you than an 13 year old kid trolling around :)
PredatorPsycho 1 year ago
If history repeats itself then Iran should reassert itself and form the Persian empire, seriously the guy fails history...
Teranex 1 year ago
Turkey is a weak country sucking european asses for decades to let them in EU. There is nothing special about turkey. In their best situation they are a third world country that islamists and brutal ultra nationalist parties competing for the power.
rouzbeh61 1 year ago
@rouzbeh61 :)) what a stupid comment.. lol.. smelling all jealous..
Turkey is a third world country which is producing her own war ships which has %98 stealth (the highest rate today in the world), and selling them to Canada, Australia, Pakistan and etc.. Turkey is gonna produce her own new generation Tanks in the near future (in 5 years). and will sell it to all of her allies in asia and middle east. Turkey is producing her UAV planes (which is only a few countries producing it today)
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 These are only your claims I can see any proofs. Isreal, Iran and Greece are Turkey Neighbors they are way better in weapon industry.
rouzbeh61 1 year ago
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muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@rouzbeh61 and my claims ? not claim just search AMT TANK , MLGEM, T-129 ATAK HELICOTPER, MEHMETÇİK - 1 RIFLE, ANKA UAV MALE PLANE, TURNA, HÜRKUŞ, PANTER LONG RANGE HOWITZER, FIRTINA ARMED-MOTORIZED LONG RANGE HOWITZER, TOROS-J MISSILE, BAYRAKTAR, and so many more....
You can find enough information about them on wikipedia. even in youtube, there are videos... and also for more information -----> trdefence c-o-m
and also i can tell u to search TAI projects, ASELSAN projects.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@rouzbeh61 lisen, i don t need to make u belive. but it seems u have no knowledge about this stuff. if u knew that u would know, Greece nothing about weapon industry. they r always buying, no producing anything. there s nothing which is producing in greece. (if u know any, show me an example).
Iran? they are claimming they produced new planes and stuff. but their airforces are mostly conteinning US F-4. they are modernizin those planes and saying it s a new plane. everyone knows it.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@rouzbeh61 Turkey has the most stronger navy in the medditerian sea. and 3 years ago russian defence ministry anounced that Turkey is stronger than Russia in Black Sea anymore. Turkey has the 2th stronger airforce after Isael in middle-east and when the new F-35s and JS-18s joined to TUAF, TUAF will be the most stronger in the region in 12 years. Turkey is 3th world country.. :))) countinue to ur sleep... when you awake you will surprise so much !
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 Wow english fail lol. Turkey is the third country? Lets see USA, China, Germany, France...More like 17th or so country.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex i ididn t claim that Turkey is the 3th biggest economy of the world. my words a reply for someone who said " Turkey is 3th WORLD" country. and i just aske which third world country can produce her own stealth war crafts (except fighter jets). get it ?
you know what, making comments before knowing the topic is showing u ignorant.
btw, whatever i wrote there, everything can be proven. and really in the near future Turkish army stronger than any europen country.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 Turkey is a first world country (Second at worst), it was never concepted as third world whatsoever. And the way you written it just shows you bad English/knowledge of your own country. And surpass any European country? Turkey will never surpass France, Germany, UK and Russia. So yes pls go ahead and prove your statement.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex :) just a small example to you : Turkey is increasing her millitary budget (40 billions dollars) and so many europen countries reducing their millitary spends (for example france 38 billions dollars). i know millitary udget is not a criterion but economically turkey is developing very fast too. 10 years ago turkey was 26th biggest economy of the world but today Turkey is 17th.
And don t hope so much from Russia. their economy is based on oil and gas exporting. just like araps
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@Teranex before ur insulting words, try to understand what i am meanning. Turkish weapon industry is becoming a big competitor to europen weapon industry. Turkey is producing almost everything (except fighter jets) and capturing europen company's markets. even ASELSAN made a high export to holland army 1 year ago. and Turkey also trying to capture the arabian markets. and until today it was very successfull. so many islam country who doesn t wanna make bussines with christians, prefering turkey.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 " insulting words"-There were none. Its insulting that you even claim such a thing.
"europen weapon industry"-Prove it. On which fields exactly? Seriously simply claiming stuff and not backing it up. Not one of the military Technologies produced in Turkey match European products.
"producing"-The emphasis here is on PRODUCING and NOT developing. Every medium country is producing its own arms (even Belgium), its done in order to prevent dependency on other states.
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "capturing europen company's markets"-Which markets. Again another claim and nothing to back it up. The European companies have a hold on your market and many industries (Textile for example) are being redeployed to you because of the cheap labor force.
"holland army 1 year ago"-No details? Such a shame...What exacly did they export? Mind sharing that information?
"trying"-Emphasis on Trying.
"very successfull"-Another subjective claim and no additional information.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex of course there are details.. but why should i write here ? do i need to teach you something ? it s ur own responisbility... not mine. but though u wish a detay, i can tell u the exporting was about "stinger fire-control systeams" . and the company was ASELSAN. just search it. and FNSS is also importing so various goods to other countries. such as Malaysia.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "do i need to teach you something"-You need to prove what you say, if you dont you are just another troll.
"it s ur own responisbility"-I dont have a responsability to prove YOUR point. Cause i already proven mine.
"stinger fire-control systeams"-Give me a source, send a link via mail.
"such as Malaysia"-That was never in qestion. Turkish arms exports to Europe were.
"MILGEM class corvet war-ships"-They were exported to Canda, Pakistan and Ukraine. Not one EU country.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex and MILGEM class corvet war-ships are exporting to pakistan and even canada-australia and etc. interested in with MILGEM class frigates. (will be the next generation) btw this class of war ships had the higest stealth rate (97%) till uk builted their new gen. destroyer. (however we can t compare a destroyer and frigate.)
which markets ? as you see, malaysian, pakstani and many other islamic countries are interesting in turkish defence industry (such as malaysia and ALTAY tank project)
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "higest stealth rate (97%) till uk"-And that again proves my point (And its rather qestionable if even the first part of your comment is true).
"which markets"-OK but no European market? You specifically claimed European in your comment.
"afghan"-So you basically wanna say that if a Muslim buys of a Christian its nothing about religion , but if a Christan buys of a Christan or a Muslim of a Muslim it has to do something with religion lol? You know how lol that sounds right?
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "bussines with christians"-It has nothing to do with relgion.
"her millitary budget (40 billions dollars)"-Turkey is the 16th nation per its military budget. The first European country behind turkey is Greece. And the first European country above Turkey is Italy with twice the expenditures Turkey has. So turkey is way behind Europe.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex for you bussines nothing to do with religion, but why don t u ask it to pakistanian, afghan, malaysian, iranian, indonesian countries ? after they heard that turkey has builted a UAV male plane, they immediatly showed their interest. (instead of israel and their supporter of usa+europe, they will prefer turkey)
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "of israel and their supporter of usa+europe"-Thats because they A)Don't acknowledge Israel as a sovereign nation (And those are Jews not Christians) and B)No western country would sell them such technology. It has nothing to do with religon at all.
"embrassing questiones"-Embarrassing for you. As I said back up your comment with proof, prove yourself right, otherwise you are just another claimer.
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "is developing very fast too"-Again another subjective information, not backed up. "GDP growth -4.7% (2009)-Turkey"-"GDP growth -4.9%(2009)-Germany"-"GDP growth -2.6% (2009)-France"-"GDP growth 1.6% (2009/10)" The economic growth of Turkey is behind in comparison to most major European states (Thats negative growth because of the economic crisis).
"their economy is based on oil"-And they are the 5th greatest arms exporter in the world and Saudi Arabia is 8th.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex really i am tired of replying you. instead of searching Turkish Export Market, u are coming and asking me embrassing questiones. if u need informations really, just search these things : TAI, TEI, ASELSAN, FSSN, NUROL, OTOKAR, ROKETSAN.. there arre others also but these are the most mporting ones. and also it can be useful for u if u search ANKA, BAYRAKTAR, ALTAI project, MILGEM class sea war crafts..
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 I made an error, Russia has 5th largest military budget and Saudi Arabia has the 9th largest, while Russia is the second greatest arms exporter in the world and Turkey is not even on the list (Its not between the first 15).
So turkey is way behind, proven fact. But once you are absorbed into the EU you will provide us with the necessary workforce. So we all will benefit.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex btw, i am kind of economist and i really know all those indicators about my country. but u just see the things as u wanna see. for example. i was talking about millitary markets and turkey's developing speed in this market.
and yes. really russian economy is not in safe. u can belive whatever u want to belive. u will underderstand what i mean 20 years later.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 " i was talking"-You were specificaly mentioning turkish economy and how much it has grown. I can quote you on it, so you dont even need to try to talk your way out. About arms exports Turkey is not even on the first 15 nations.
"is not in safe"-Experts claim the chinese economic model cant work for 40 years and doest it work? Yes it does.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex btw, i am not sure about if Turkish nation will join to EU. recently the surveys shows that Turks do not wish to join to EU. it s something like " we will be enough strong when the time comes, so why should do we join ? "
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "do not wish to join to EU"-A)You would recive delopment founds from the EU. B)It would be too costy to quit negotiations at this point C)What people demand is normaly not in their interest anyhow D)The opening up of the european market for turkey (And thats when turkish military industry might acctualy sell somthing to an EU country) E)In order to persue its national intersts its also in the interest of Turkey to join.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex
@Teranex
1- you are writing here which are i never said. (i never said all Turkey's exports are through europe that europe is nothing already. )
2- even i don t need to prove what i am saying. coz i am not a baby sitter. a normal student ( u wanna learn so you are) need to prove the facts by itself by searching.
3- "yes it does" -> ? so u know the future better than everyone. good talent.
4- i never said turkey is in the top of arms exporter. but i said developing very fast.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "Turkish weapon industry is becoming a big competitor to europen weapon industry."-"capturing europen company's markets"-Which European market did Turkey capture? None.
"europe is nothing already"-I dont get that part.
"even i don t need to prove what i am saying"-Yes you do, if you don't you are just a claimer and your claims can be dismissed. While i did prove my statements thus making my comment superior to yours.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex superior to mines ? without any searching which that country is exporting, you think u superior ? you are funny...
btw, when the first turkic horseman seemed in the east of anatolia, Byzantium Palace was making same comments. ( less or more, but almost same. ) :)))
btw and of course i don t need to prove anything. u have to search it.
and lastly about my english comment... mmm, yes, i don t have good english. so what ? yes poor, so what ? can u speak turkish ?
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "without any searching"-How do you think i know that turkey is not in the top 15# arms exporters cause i checked it up. If you want any of my statements backed up by prof then simply ask for it and i gladly provide you with it.
"first turkic horseman"-Whatever that should mean.
" u have to search it."-Lol so typical. People like you normally ask for someone else to prove their point. A)I already have proven you wrong B)Its up to you to prove yourself right and not up to me.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex listen.. i already know what u told me all. just the thing is u never understood what i was meanning. for exm. u in an another comment u said to someone that "turkey has half millitary budget of italy" :) do u know where is ur mistake ? this indcators are changing every year. in 2010 france is 38 billion dollar, italy 40,5 billion dollars, turkey 40 b. dollars.
if we compare these things, we usually look at a period. but if u want to be more spsifc than this see my next comment.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "if we compare these things, we usually look at a period. but if u want to be more spsifc than this see my next comment."-I want a source for your information. Because you are basically saying that Turkish military expenditures have multiplied by 2 in only one year in the midst of an economic crisis. That could only happen during war times.
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "france is 38 billion"-What are you talking about? French military expenditures never went blow 60 bil in the last 30 years. All the information i provided here comes from the Stockholm international peace research institute. I know now for certain that you are lying.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex well.... really no need to talk to u.
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 People which cant back up stuff which they say will normally say that. The military spending of turkey is 40 bil? Ya right.
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "so u know the future better than everyone. good talent."-The only one who claims to know the future is you, with russian economy "collapsing" lol. Then perhaps you should rearead my comment, where i say that the "Experts claim the Chinese economic model cant work for 40 years" I'm not referring to the future I'm referring to the past. They are saying for 40 years that the Chinese economic model cant work out.
Teranex 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 " i never said turkey is in the top of arms exporter. but i said developing very fast."-The first part basically covers the other, by constantly claiming how successfully Turkey is wile in reality there is nothing to back that up. If it was successful it would be one of the top 15.
Teranex 1 year ago
@Teranex 5- we don t look at the country's today indicators. but we compare them in a period. like 5 years period. (when i said i meant last 10 years period.) so, compare turkey's last 10 years period & and 10 years period of single europen country's period.
6-is no matter what cost togive up. will europe pay any cost if they give up ? only turkey decide it that will she join or not.
7- ASELSAN.. just search that company. it has english website for you. ;)
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 "but we compare them in a period"-Even so turkeys growth inst greater then the European.
"only turkey decide it that will she join or not."-Its turkey who wants to join the eu, you asked for membership. EU didnt invite you. And you are still implementing the reforms demanded by the EU, so its pretty obvious that you want to join.
"just search that company"-I wont do your work. Prove yourself right. I can back up everything i write here, but you seemingly cant.
Teranex 1 year ago
muzaffer0618 1 year ago
@muzaffer0618 Acctualy Italy spends twice the cash on its military then Turkey does. So its way ahead one way or another. Playing on numbers doesnt work in modern times.
"turkey 40 b. dollars"-The Stockholm international institute for peace says that in 2009 Turkey spent 19bil on its military While Italy in the same year spent 37 Bil. So please provide me with a source which says that Turkey spends 40 Bil this year lol. While its military expenditures were decreasing since 2004 (Per itsGDP).
Teranex 1 year ago
Koreans support Turkey!
consoleman09 1 year ago 5
armenians and greeks are fucked in the future lol
TheGhengizKHAN 2 years ago
IGAZAD VAN kekvirag1
SuperiorHuns 2 years ago
The israeli project will be finish soon, as the soviet bolshevik project was demolished by the Americans 20 years ago!!!!!!
kekvirag111 2 years ago 6
We are going to open the GOLDEN GATE, the Carpathian Basin for our brotherly nation Turkey to create a natural balance within the European Union. We can't let the Germans and French to rule the EU and drive our economy to nowhere.
kekvirag1 2 years ago 17
@kekvirag1 You wished, its states like Hungary and Greece which ruin the economy so states like Germany then have to come to the res-Q.
Teranex 1 year ago
@kekvirag1 Germany and France have great economies. It's slacker countries like Portugal, Ireland, and most of Southeastern Europe that are holding back the EU. Or are the EU's socialist wealth-distribution policies to blame?
MarshalltheArtist 8 months ago
The Turkish Government have to negotiate with the Central European Hungarians newly elected Government later this year 2010, about the establishment of SOUTH EAST EUROPEAN UNION, which could protect the region ENERGY CORRIDORS !!!!
kekvirag1 2 years ago 16