Unlimited Secession & Voluntaryism

[childoftreachery]

I like your take on voluntarism and national dissolution.

What I'm wondering about is warfare. You're correct in saying the states are the architects of warfare. I have to ask what would happen if, after everything collapses into voluntarism, a portion of the population rises up and forms a state, creates an army, and wages war on the rest of the individuals outside their sphere of influence?

Isn't this just another stage in the cycle of nationalism? Will voluntarism devolve into statism?

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@childoftreachery Well forming a state means non-voluntary organization. Also a group of people would have to have a vast ideological baking in order to have a state. You cant have a marginal state, that is one totally based on force, its just logistically impossible and extremely expensive. As for war, since there is no longer taxes to fund the state a group or person would have to raise funds himself, get people to believe in him, build any army and then wage war. Its all very impractical.

[hurrrrrrrrrrr]

Commutarian anarchists? An ideal advocating the creation of a free society based on the individual's right to commute?

heheheheh

[MillionthUsername]

I think you meant voluntaryism (in your title), not volunteerism. : )

I don't know why you wouldn't support state secession. Any movement in that direction is a good thing. It would serve as an example. It would also give people better choices if you had 50 states actually competing on taxes and regulation, etc.

Any kind of decentralization is better than the direction we're heading in now.

[godshiva]

You say "you know" too much ;) It is possible to fix, I had the same problem.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Yes indeed lol anyway it should be up later today.

[PanzerDivisionBOM]

It's kind of funny to hear statists rail against secession. It's such an obvious example of when they don't even have their mythology straight.

Numerous present day "nations" were formed through secession, including the US, Canada and Norway, to name a few.

Can the US "nation" truly be said to owe the English "nation" restitution, equal to 250 years' worth of taxation, plus time preference and damages? Does all of Norway really belong to the Swedish state?

[whitewolf60]

No doubt that WMD's can now be "acquired" on the cheap; the development and production of them requires the actions of undesireably powerful entities. Curiously, under a world-wide anarchic condition, the threat of terrorism would be lessened as the production of weapons of aggression would be curtailed. In some situations, this would even remove the BASIS for terrorist acts.

[ZamatoElite]

Beats me, comr@de.

[whitewolf60]

Note that the U.N. etc. are pushing in the opposite direction, seeking to limit small arms which are the teeth of self-determination and freedom. Ridiculously expensive and destructive "advanced" weapons systems are what we could do without.

[whitewolf60]

And yet, the (possible) chaos of the transition would likely make us an easier target, while at the same time hobbling our ability to carry out deterrent tactics on a global scale (even the suitcase). Advanced weaponry is actually one of the problems, as it requires massively powerful organizations to produce, if not wield it. An interim goal could be to limit weapons worldwide to that which can be shouldered by an individual. Accomplishing THAT benchmark would largely mitigate transition risks.

[circlecityrabbit2004]

Nice video man, I was going to make a video going a little more in depth into my views on secession on all levels tommorrow, you beat me to the punch lol we see eye to eye on quite a few things.

Anyway, nice video man, keep up the good work -Deo Vindice

[ZamatoElite]

Lucky bastard. Furbies are selling for hundreds of dollars now. I might steal my grandmother's furby collection and sell them on ebay.

I think the Libertarian party should make the Furby its animal mascot. Your thoughts?

[19lfm12]

Of course all kids truly need to be able to:

learn algebra

earn 'civics'

know names, dates & countless useless facts of a vast & complex fiction known as "history"

write an essay on personal & private/family information so the faculty/administration has both a psychological profile on the kid & his family.

be stripped of their innate curiosity & creativity; to be replaced with boredom, hostility & a profound enuii.

[whitewolf60]

19lfm12...Did you forget to utilize the "sarcasm" font? : )

[whitewolf60]

All this would be fine and dandy, but unless it occurs in all the preeminent nations simultaneously, guess who will at least TRY to fill the vacuum?

[ZamatoElite]

I like Furbies.

[podrag]

Oh yeah and I forgot to add a snide comment:

But who educates the children?

[whitewolf60]

podrag...Here's a RADICAL idea...How about their PARENTS?

[19lfm12]

Not to go on a rant...but...as a single human who has never spawned & has no intention of spawing....I have a REAL problem with paying 'school tax' on my house. I do not benefit from this; not even in theory.

Kids need food, clothes, shelter - for those things I would gladly donate the equivalent of the 'school tax'.

But they do not need indoctrination centers.....:)

Nor do I......O.o

[podrag]

Thiis involves a successful tax revolt. Electorate must also be convinced that enforcing the state through ever-increasing violence at the margins is not pragmatic in any way and therefore immoral.

It's not, therefore, an impossible task. The state must be attacked at its weak points - the margins and its collection of revenue.

[FREEW0RLD2012]

Yeah,I hear ya.You are most certainly right about that. Ok,I understand now why you do it this way.

[FREEW0RLD2012]

Erik,why don't you ever say WHO you are commenting back to? It would be nice if I could go back and read the original comment that your replying to.

[GuardofLiberty]

But who will build the roads?!

[19lfm12]

The cats & dogs, formerly pampered in animal shelters, will henceforth be put to work - to ear their daily kibble - on public works projects.

There ya go!

[19lfm12]

The only essential difference between private security agencies & govt. police forces.....are the employers.

[msgtsd]

I do support "state" secession, but of course, the ultimate goal is "unlimited" secession.

Good video.

[nonantianarchist]

This is sort of off topic, but in Lincoln's first inaugural address he argued that the reason the Union just had to re-conquer the seceding states was that state secession would set the precedent for unlimited secession and anarchy. Now, of course, my response would be "so what?" but it works well on people with a statist mindset.

[ks100001]

Whoo, the related videos link to 2 Unlimited! That takes me back. The 90s were horrible :D

[McDicker96]

but how do you ensure violence won't exisit wihtout ensuring violence exists?

you crazy anarchists

[larma7]

Umm . . . no, this isn't oldhacks. This is larma7.

You stated that you believe in unlimited volunteerism. I am curious as to how a legal system and defence agency could work without using force.

[larma7]

"Unlimited Secession & Volunteerism" ....is impossible.

Am I allowed to voluntarily rape someone? What are you going to do about it? Hire your "private defense agency" (bounty hunters) to find me and punish me?? That sounds like force to me!

A voluntary society is nonsense.

[whitewolf60]

larma...A relative of the rape victim could volunteer to put a bullet in your ass.

[larma7]

AhHA!!! That sounds like retaliation with FORCE!

[whitewolf60]

larma...Yes, but with no involvement of the STATE!

[19lfm12]

Exactly HOW do you 'voluntarily rape' someone?

O.o

[podrag]

That might possibly be the stupidest comment I have ever seen on youtube.

Voluntary Rape! LMAO!

[ShawnLake84]

Great video, hope it helps some people.

5*****

[techjunkie92]

So I am new to the anti-state philosophy. From what little i've explored it thus far, it seems interesting, but I have my questions. Because im not used to thinking in this paradigm, you will have to excuse me if in your mind, my question seems to have an obvious answer. Question: What would ensure that crimes such as murder, theft, and rape are punished?

[NoGodsOrKings]

That depends on who you ask, but the answer will probably be any sort of voluntary defense and legal order. Private security agencies instead of police, essentially. Confederalsocialist and others have videos on it.

[larma7]

Private security agencies sound like personal thugs that go out and ENFORCE people into doing things.

[NoGodsOrKings]

larma7, fending off attackers and initiated aggression are on entirely different levels of action.

[larma7]

You don't think rich people would use these private security agencies to go out and commit agression?

[NoGodsOrKings]

Aggression is unsustainable without the ability to externalize costs (taxation + ideological-marginal state).

[AustinW90]

If you can, check out chapter's 9 and 13 of Murray Rothbard's "The Ethics of Liberty". He lays out the blueprint for justice systems in a stateless society.