Scorched Earth - Zimbabwe

[Pxcerman]

tzebra, you clearly need to study history. And though you support the war against Mugabe, you clearly have taken a racist tone which is an anathema to your cause. stupidness.

[ZAforSouthaficans]

why the hell did they want zimbabwe in the first place? Rhodesia was much better.

may Rhodesia be restored!

[payazaiskool]

Compare South Africa and Zimbabwe, you could make the argument that since Mugabe went back on his word to not oppress the white and political opposition Zimbabwe has really gone into a hell hole. But Mandela instituted the Truth Reconciliation counsel and not sought 'vengeance aganist their former oppressors' their has been a dramatically different outcome in the two countries

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool First of all, guy, Mugabe is NOT oppressing the whites. He's just, rightfully, taking back the land (something he should've done 30 years earlier, if u ask me) that those very whites outright, & brutally, STOLE. Thereby mercilessly OPPRESSING Blacks on their own land, in their own country! (End of Part 1)

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool Callously, consigning millions of Zimbabwe's indigenous, Black, population 2 languish in poverty, squalor, & death, of the worst order, for generations, all w/o giving a damn as 2 the hellish atrocities & injustice, 2 which, they were subjecting their Black counterparts. (End of Part 2)

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool Mugabe allowed those ungrateful white bastards, who really should've been KILLED, 30 years ago, 2 prosper on STOLEN LAND 25 years AFTER the revolution, & AFTER, the BRITISH reneged on her promise 2 compensate those pale-faced parasites, & get them outta Zimbabwe. U'd think those white dung piles would be grateful for the 4 the extra time granted them, & 4 the incredible patience, displayed by Mugabe, & the African ppl. (End of Part 3)

[payazaiskool]

@Dessalinesx (Point 4)- What is the difference between Mugabe and White rule in Zimbabwe their is none. They both persecuted political dissidents and instead of governing to benefit the people of Zimbabwe they are governing to enrich themselves! Also are those four gentlemen having a BBQ conspiring with 'White Europeans' because they oppose your 'beloved dictator' . Just pray that Morgan Tsvangirai can save Zimbabwe! (Conclusion)

[ZAforSouthaficans]

@payazaiskool the Rhodesian Government Never did anything close to what zimbabwe has it is a disgrace to their memory and honer. you are not Rhodesian you never grew up in Rhodesia you never even took part in their lives. instead you insult them with zanu-pf propaganda!

under Rhodesia BLACK and white had the right to vote! blacks had the rite to food, education, jobs (with out needing to be part of the political party) medication, human rites, fair trial by jury, e.c.t.! not in zimbabwe!

[57worldwide]

@payazaiskool How can you call South Africa a non-racial democracy, when there are laws which specify ratios of ethnicity for each company to have? When sports teams need a certain amount of coloured players? The current South Africa is very much race based with regards to law.

You can't attribute the current state of Zimbabwe's economy solely to Mugabe's regime. I'm not defending Mugabe in any way, but his regime is certainly not for Blacks.

Does South Africa embrace homosexuals?

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool But their European arrogance & stupidity just won't permit, such. Like I said, they should've been killed, long ago! Furthermore, this is not about seeking vengeance, but rather seeking JUSTICE! How arrogant 2 believe a ppl can unleash such an unrelenting level of unprovoked suffering & oppression on another ppl, 4 so long, & NOT suffer ANY consequences, as a result. (End of Part 4)

[payazaiskool]

@DessalinesX (Part 3)- Another point comparing South Africa and Zimbabwe. You say to hell with the whites and everyone else 'Africa is for blacks' ok look what that has lead to in Zimbabwe a country isolated from the rest of the world and struggling with inflation and a stagnant economy. Compare that to South Africa ('rainbow nation') who embraces all peoples (Blacks, Whites, Indians, Asians, Coloreds) and they will be hosting the world cup.(End Part 4)

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool Clearly, these are a ppl who don’t believe the laws of the universe---the laws governing righteousness & wickedness, apply 2 them. Speaking of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, it’s a PERFECT example of what happens when justice is denied. Because, the SA government didn’t administer proper justice 2 those white savages, in the wake of Apartheid, the ppl are now administering justice 2 them, in the streets. (End of Part 5)

[payazaiskool]

@DessalinesX You criticize South Africa's policy towards the whites who were oppressing them during Apartheid. But compare South Africa with Zimbabwe, South Africa is a thriving non-racial democracy whereas Zimbabwe is going through hell due to the corrupt policies of Mugabe. I have no problem with him distributing the white farm land to poor Zimbabweans, but Mugabe has obviously distributed it to his 'cronies' who have mismanaged the land .

[DessalinesX]

@payazaiskool Evidenced by the alarming rate of farm killings, over there. As a result, white life is CHEAP, in SA (as it should be). Just goes 2 show, justice arrives eventually, one way or the other. (Conclusion)

[payazaiskool]

@DessalinesX My man I don't for a second deny what the 'whites' have done to the Africans inside of Zimbabwe. Treating them as second class citizens in the land of their birth, killing political dissidents (those advocating for non-racial democracy), segregation,etc. But I must ask are you a representative of Mugabe's ZANU (PF) party? Are you even Zimbabwean? How Can you defend his policies look at what he has done to Zimbabwe! (Part 1)

[americangangster86]

@payazaiskool so why are blacks in south africa living in squatter camps and thr crime rate is throught the roof?

[DessalinesX]

A system that relegated all Blacks into perpetual peonage, & the status of mere exploitable commodities, 4 the SOLE purpose of generating wealth, 4 whites, who now, fraudulently, cast themselves as victims, of the very Blacks, whose land & country, they, have flagrantly pilfered. Honestly, the ability of whites 2 turn reality inside out, & make the truth appear absurd, & the absurd appear true, is nothing short of terrifyingly revealing, regarding their collective character. (Conclusion)

[DessalinesX]

How those arrogant whites unremorselessly STOLE the land, labor, & Zimbabwe's rich natural resources SPECIFICALLY 4 white benefit. All while reducing the indigeonous Black population into mere feudal serfs, in their own country, via erecting a, criminally, unjust Apartheid system. (End of Part 2)

[DessalinesX]

How shamessly biaesd, & one-sided this propaganda piece is? Absolutely no mention of how the situated evolved into its current state. No mention of how avaricious whites came into Zimbabwe & initiated an unprovoked brutal campaign of racial injustice, death, & wanton thievery onto the Black indigeonous population. (End of Part 1)

[investormark1]

I should think the non-white people of the world would appreciate the desire that whites have to remove themselves. In any case ask yourself why the opposition could it be that their relationship with us is essentially parasitic in nature?

[nocturnarboreal]

why hasn't mugabe's head been blown off yet?

[blackPowerStick]

AFRICA 4 THE AFRICANS white media always lie about africans and mugabe. the C.I.A injected colora in the water

white people hate the fact that a black man is taking his land back

[andy7666]

Hmm.. It would be nice if blacks actually DID something with thier land instead of sitting around blaming others for thier misfortunes! Get off your collective arses and FARM the lands you have "re-claimed", maybe that way people would not go hungry? Its not a hard concept to grasp!

[gjc82071]

blackPowerStick is an ignorant fool. By his logic, only whites should be allowed to own land in Europe/USA? And your right about everything you said. I was going to say more but what is the point? There will always be people for whatever reason that will ignore, defy, & or argue with truth & facts. It is the nature of fools, & there are many of them. Also, it is easier to blame than to take responsibility. It's sad because in the end it is always the women & children that suffer the most.

[nocturnarboreal]

@blackpowerstick

are you a troll or an idiot? theyre killing blacks too! did you even watch this video. maybe you should go back to africa if its so great.

[am1966ath]

Ye but can he farm it??..look at the Cholera epidemic and unused farmland,poverty and repression??

[tzebra]

Congradulations, blacks once again turn a promising place into a violent cess pool. Doesn't matter where it is on the planet, black run institutions, neighborhoods, cities, etc, have always produced violence, starvation, homelessness, grief and sorrow; from Detroit to Zimbabwe

[am1966ath]

And Somalia,Nigeria,S.A. Jmaica everywhere...sad but true.

[Bloodstryke]

@tzebra "Congradulations"? Try again smart one, many other countries of all races have also failed like Zimbabwe so it is not only blacks. Pride comes before the fall.

[57worldwide]

@tzebra Think of it rather like this: the White rule of Zimbabwe brought about a revolution, this brought Mugabe into the politics, which resulted in the violence you mentioned. So, by excluding the White rulers which precluded Mugabe, you have omitted information and given a biased analysis of what Black rule is. I have to ask, do you think Mugabe is truly an example of Black rule or an example of a dictator?

Detroit to Zimbabwe, Black rule was preceded by White rule.

[rapartist43]

@57worldwide but white rule didn't ruin the country!

[57worldwide]

@rapartist43 Exactly, a dictator ruined Zimbabwe. Just like a dictator ruined Germany.

[rapartist43]

@57worldwide Mugabe is a product of colonialism himself- it seems to me he is obsessed with colonialism. I expect Zims to have overcome that past, but many still seem to be stuck in it. many also seem to forget that the Brits themselves declared Rhodesia illegal. Germany's dictator ruined far more than Germany - you guys need to make sure Mugabe won't.

[57worldwide]

@rapartist43 Mugabe was elected, Hitler wasn't. Mugabe has given himself all the power, and he has made opposing him dangerous. Dissidents are arrested, tortured, and some just disappear. I don't think the change can actually come from within Zimbabwe, aside from a military coup.

[rapartist43]

@57worldwide Well, Hitler WAS elected actually. This enabled him to become chancellor in the first place. TIME Magazine named him Man Of The Year 1938...

Mugabe did and does intimidate people to vote for him. His first slogan was "vote Mugabe or you die", followed by various other such as the most recent I am aware of: "vote for me or starve" He is just like Hitler actually.

[57worldwide]

@rapartist43 Hitler was NOT elected. The highest proportion of votes he ever got was like 20% less than the person who was ELECTED tp Presidency. You might want to look into that.

I don't think Hitler is like Mugabe. Both are dictators, but Hitler's was officially a race based regime, whereas Mugabe's has pretty much crippled industry and infrastructure (without a war). Prisoners in Zim are not forced to produce goods. Mugabe wants to hold his power, Hitler wanted to quickly gain more territory.

[rapartist43]

@57worldwide I wasn't speaking of presidency. You need to re-read my reply more carefully. He gained enough seats in order to put pressure on Hindenburg and to fool von Papen to become chancellor. He combined this position with that of the president after Hindenburg's death. I strongly believe that Mugabe is not only obsessed with Rhodesia but that he is a racist himself.

[57worldwide]

@rapartist43 In other words, he wasn't elected? I thought that I already said that?

Mugabe may be racist, but he doesn't follow racial policies. He reappropriated lands from White farmers, using propaganda where he promised to give land to the landless (which helped him gain support from the homeless). Those lands were given to family, and the military. Mugabe then started 'Operation Drive Out Rubbish', which resulted in many Black Zimbabweans being made homeless.

[garylerouex]

These four men tell how bad Mugabe and Zanu pf are; yet they say they have won the liberation war in the 70's. Well that puts them on the same side as the evildoers. If they supported Mugabe and his campain of subversion and terror against the civilised people of Rhodesia then they get what they deserve.

[opaz79]

This is why I refuse to move to suburbs with alot of arab and black immigrants even though that is all that "my" government has to offer me. These people hate whites, they will make my life intolerable and eventually attack me and my property. Black people can live with white people but white people can never live with black people.

[hoplite1766]

Niggers ruin everything, fools!

[DaSlug32]

A glimse into South Africa's future.

[Sunclief]

MDC: You want the white man to come back! With people that hate the white man like I have just seen no thank you I think I'll stay right where I am thank you!

[Fuckmugabe]

Once productive maize fields now grow only weeds. Citrus orchards are dying, their valuable fruit rotting on the branches. Machinery lies about rusting. Irrigation pipes have been looted and farm sheds are derelict and stripped of roofing. Windbreak trees have been hacked down and roads are potholed

[Lambchop1289]

look at morgans face then and look at it now... look at all the beatings he's had and the scars on his face now... it is soo sad wat that ape has done.... i love zimbabwe its my home wish it was how it used to be.... it will never be the same

[ljs2k7]

and my face won;t be goddam machettes it is sick what they would do to a 12 year old lad, he had the right idea at first but got power crazy

[Sunclief]

You wanted Mugabe you live with it! We warned you many years ago about that Mugadunga now look at that country it's well and truelly fucked.

[ropetherapy]

Robert Mugabe looks like a gorilla.

[Lambchop1289]

Robert Mugabe is a gorrilla

[magodies]

i wonder where are these people today

[chavrecycler]

David McKinny, I am so surprised your account has been closed, you filthy nazi.

[DavidMcKinny]

Mugabe is the white man's friend. He is doing more damage and killing more blacks that we could ever do. I like to see him President for another ten years, by then the blacks left will be in the few hundred thousands. We can move the whites back in gas the rest and make Zimbabwe a white only country.

[magodies]

hunger will wake yu up

[Fuckmugabe]

Instead of giving land to landless smallholders,nearly all of the 4,000 farms — the backbone of Zimbabwe's agricultural prosperity — were delivered to Mugabe's political cronies, his second wife, and other family members.This land grab might have served to right an historic injustice. Instead,it drove Zimbabwe headlong into penury and hunger. It also threw 400,000 African labourers out of work, crippledbanking sector, caused food scarcities,and sent Mugabe rushing to Libya and China for help

[fixzimbabwe]

Sad. When will the madness end?

[Fuckmugabe]

When economy is influenced by blind ideology it sinks into stagnation and deterioration.Well done Mugabe,youve made yourself proud.

[Ruthersery]

Chigudo you can not of us black people to support what you think is right for whites and your white cousins who stole our land, our minerals and everything that grows on it. We will rather support the devil we know that bloody Rhodesians

[chigudo]

just the same as you blacks who are comming to london and the west taking our jobs etc we want to beat the hell out of you you blacks are devils and are evil we want you gone from europe you are enemies

[chigudo]

you are just a mugabe loyalist how could whites steal minerals etc when they lived in zimbabwe, and worked that land for the economy, mugabe has just brainwashed you he is just like hitler who blamed the jews for his failings and that is mugabe blaming his failings on whites

[heikkuri]

Ruth, go and checkout the zimbabwe genocide videos on you tube and let me know what you think. I think they are very damning against zanu-pf and mugabe. I don't think they were faked. I was also apalled at the level of healthcare in Zimbabwe. I don't know why you Shona are allowing it.

[heikkuri]

Ruth, why don't you ask the whties who bought their land from black people, only to have it confiscated by Mugabe, who stole what?

[deportzimbabweblacks]

Ruthersery- why dont you go back to zimbabwe then instead of steal whites jobs and land here in the west go back we dont want you here

[deportzimbabweblacks]

if whites arent allowed in africa and are being persecuted then why should you be allowed in europe get out go back to zimbabwe and the devil, many whites bought land after 1980 under a zanu government so tell me how is this theft of resources these issues are not forgotten mugabe shall pay we will take this matter to the hague

[chigudo]

you black zimbabweans that are supporting mugabe are an embarssment to blacks

[cryptickingdom]

Humiliate yourselves even more black racists! Play into the hands of those who laugh at your inferior intellectual capacity & your victim-mentality! Continue to persecute those among you who have a voice of sanity / MDC. And please continue to chase away the productive "white man" (as in SA). Once your Mugabe is dead; once all foreign aid has dried up; when your once fertile land has turned to ash & you've starved, we'll still be productive & healthy because we WORK HARD! No free rides here!!!

[Fuckmugabe]

White farmers were evicted forcebly,BUT,the black farmworkers were driven off the lands where more violence and force was used on them compared to the white farmers.Farmworkers were left destitute and landless.Mugabe turned on his own people,murdering bastard

[Fuckmugabe]

VOTE MDC FOR CHANGE

FUCK ZANU PF

[Fuckmugabe]

The Lancaster House Agreement had stipulated that land transfers would take place with adequate compensation, but as Zimbabwe became deeper involved in helping Congo (Zaire) with their war, less money was available for compensation and funds were taken for personal gain by Mugabe and his cronies.

[Chipimbere]

How about white australians, Americans, and New zealanders etc give back the land they stoole to the natives?

Oops I forgot: they killed them all.

[beatnikjd]

Which is what they should have done in SA and Zimbabwe. Then there would be no problems or starvation, just a productive, stable, civilized society.

[heikkuri]

Chipimbere: From Antarctica? Are you a clown? The New Zealanders are hardly guilty of racsim. They are tied with Finland for the most democratic and least corrupt governments in the world. The New Zealanders are very proud of their having honored the Treaty of Whangerai with the Maoris and have even taken steps to ensure Maori numbers. Why can't we see Mugabe do that with the whites?

[deportzimbabweblacks]

zimbabwean blacks that supportmugabe must go back to zimbabwe to be with him the hell with them, if whites are not allowed in africa then why should you be alowed in europe or the western world if you support him go back and plough the land with RG MUGABE

[heikkuri]

deportzim: They think he's a hero, as they rape the counttry and go to live in the UK....

[deportzimbabweblacks]

hahahah yes i am tired of these blacks supporting mugabe but then living the good life in the west if they support him they must go there to zimbabwe and live with mugabe

[PepaChar]

edvan, tribal people and business people can live quite well with each other. It's the sick bunch in the middle (corrupt politicians) who play both sides against each other in their feeding frenzy for what doesn't belong to them, instead of governing properly as they swore they would on election day.

[PepaChar]

Fact is, not much has been done since independence. What is it that they are doing wrong that does not attract development? If you accuse whites for not investing, why don't they? After all, you seem to think they are greedy bastards who do anything for a $. If so, they would be there with the corrupt elite. Or could it be that corporations will not stoop as low as your own precious rulers? And why aren't blacks themselves investing either?

[edvan88]

The probelm is that Britain and America ar prohibiting countries willing to cooperate with Zimbabwe to do so. I dont deny that Blacks have less ability to run a farm but this is due to historical reasons. They have been deprived of there land for 300 years and been under colonial domination.

[edvan88]

At least if the land are back to them , they have the possibility to negotiate with foreign investors - it can be Brazilians, Chinese, Indians, Argentinians or Europeans - to run the farm and for the transfer of technology in a WIN _WIN basis.

[PepaChar]

That's a thought. But what credible guarantees would Zimbabwe give that the farms won't be nationalized again? What about today's announcement regarding majority ownership of companies? Why would investors want to bring any capital into Zimbabwe? See, edvan, Zimbabwe has to realize that they can't have their cake and eat it too.

[banda106]

edvan u fukin nigger lover, how long will u use colonialism for coon failure.

u dumb piece of shit, look at asia to see how its progressing after colonialism, india and china are rising.

japan rebuilt itself frm shambles after ww2.

south korea n singapore r developed nations.

malaysia is developing.

only black afrika (not arab and berber parts) is marching bakward, tht shud tell evry1 somthing abt coon intelligence.

even south america is improving.

[edvan88]

Nice words for China here - but i am sure you are among the "free Tibet" assholes agsinat the Beijing olympics.

[PepaChar]

edvan, I am not looking to talk in circles with you. What has happened there has been terrible for everyone. I hope that elections bring Zimbabwe a much better chance for a peaceful prosperous life.

[edvan88]

Lancaster house agreement: it was agreed that the British compensate the whites for land that will be transfered back to the original owners i.e the blacks. But the British government conveniently impose a condition that the landless blacks are those who should beneficiate. This makes no sense because the landless blacks means the less educated and poorest which will not have the capability to run a farm

[edvan88]

Mugabe has no choice but to sign. It is true that Mugabe give the land confiscated from the whites to what the West term as "cronies". But what's the fuss. Mugabe is elected democratically. In all democracies, people working for the winning political parties expect to get something in reward once the new government is formed.

[edvan88]

Mugabe has no choice but to sign. It is true that Mugabe give the land confiscated from the whites to what the West term as "cronies". But what's the fuss. Mugabe is elected democratically. In all democracies, people working for the winning political parties expect to get something in reward once the new government is formed.

[edvan88]

This is also true for America. Oil companies and arm contractors like Boeing supported George Bush presidential election because Bush has promised them that America will invade iraq and these companies reap huge benefits - both for the arm suppliers and oil companies who plunder the oil in Iraq. This is how democracy work. No one support politicians financially to get nothing.

[edvan88]

Britain conveniently impose the condition of "landless blacks" clause because they know this cannot be realized and that they just don't want to compensate and cooperate for the land reform. Shame on you Britain.

[PepaChar]

So, edvan88, there should be "no fuss" at all, right? Zimbabwe corrupt elite taking land for nothing and not even using it properly is just a perfectly natural way of doing things, right? For your info: In a proper democracy, people who help a political party get elected get a job in that government. They don't get to steal someone else's property.

[edvan88]

It was agreed that the British compensate the white farmers.

Who steal who in reality ? Who are the real owners of Zimbabwe land. Are they your cousins or the black Africans.

[edvan88]

The CEO of American oil companies don't help the Republican party just to get a job. They help to grab the oil in Iraq and soon in Iran.

Shame on you.

[PepaChar]

You confuse the idea of ownership with real ownership, which requires payment for what you own or inherit from someone who paid for the property. Simply being born somewhere does not entitle anyone to owning anything. The white farmers deserved compensation for what they had paid in and invested into the land. Do you still want to continue discussing what "stealing" means? It's a very definite European verb.

[edvan88]

Americans and Europeans like to write laws and rules tailor made to their interests. Everyone know that. It there are anyone who deserved compensation most in Zimbabwe which the Brits promised - they are the blacks Zimbabweens themselves. They have been dispossesed form their land for 300 years. They however don't ask for compensation but only ask that injustice cannot continue on for ever.

[edvan88]

The land that the whites have stolen should be returned to the blacks and still they have not asked for the totality but only a fair proportion - as a compromise.

[PepaChar]

OK, edvan. What you really seem to be saying is that the concept of property ownership and justice is different between Europeans and Africans. To Europeans, justice goes with compensation. To Africans, justice is for justice's sake? So, in the case of Zimbabwe, they got justice...and what good did it do? Whites lost and blacks lost. But hey, you got your justice!

[edvan88]

Economic sanctions imposed by Britain is to be blamed for the problems in Zimbabwe. I don't deny that blacks than whites have less ability to run a farm but we should look at historical reason - for 300 years the blacks have been dispossesed. It may take 25 years, 50 years or even more before Africans really achieve the know how.

[edvan88]

So it should not be used as an excuse to say that whites should continue to control the Zimbabwe economy and blacks should continue to remain as an inferior class.

[SIGNAL75]

edvan88 - there are no economic sanctions - only restrictions on mugabe and his top elite!! people dont want to invest in a country that will just take it and then blame white colonialists!!mugabe takes the farms and now the industry!!

[SIGNAL75]

edva88 - britain agreed to compensate the white farmers but the money they gave went straight into zanupf pockets - thats why they stopped!! the money was for the farmers not black zanu corrupt flunkies!! corrupt black zanu politicians!! i hope all black zimbabweans starve and eat their own shit!!

i wouldn't give a cent(1000000 zim dollars!)

to those black ass holes - suffer baby suffer!!

[edvan88]

Britain did not honour their promise because they say that the land don't go to the landless blacks but to Mugabe "cronies". This is normal in a democracy. Those who have worked and helped the political party winning the election expect something in return. What is true ion African democracy is also true for America, Britain ect.

[edvan88]

In America, companies like Boeing and oil companies support Bush during the presidentials because Bush have promised them that America will invade Iraq. These companies reap huge benefits. Boeing get billions arms contract and the oil companies plunder the oil in Iraq - just as your cousins plunder the wealth of Zimbabwe.

[edvan88]

you think i am a black Zimbabwean or African. I am not but I support Africans against colonial oppressors.

[PepaChar]

Actually, not, edvan. Supporting a political party doesn't get it elected. Voters do. A presidential candidate doesn't even bother with the corporate agenda until he has been elected. But if you want to believe your own cynicism in order to justify the Zim elite, go ahead. Just don't spread rumours as fact, please!

[PepaChar]

Hey Bob! So you got pissed because you couldn't touch the status quo that Ian Smith left behind for the first 10 years of independence. And you had all those years to plot your "best" moves. Wise, Bob! Look at what you've done to yourself and your cronies. The powers that be will make sure that you'll end up in international court. And it serves your right! Should never have fucked around with the farmers. Wise, Bob! Did you have fun while it lasted?

[barbapartida]

Blah blah blah same old rubbish from an old tired dictator who hasn't woken up to the fact that his time is up!