4x4x4 rubik's cube solve, K4 method

[uaesbriosheje]

Yeah, So many variations on this k4.

[kcsmjs91408]

@AfterEffectsLova Well he has a video up, but he uses reduction and pairs up his edges 2 at a time.

[insane569]

@AfterEffectsLova redux with 3-2-2-2-3 pairing

[FirefoxFreeze]

Where'd you get the 3rd Generation stackmat?!

[ljrox123]

@FirefoxFreeze You're dumb.

[FirefoxFreeze]

@ljrox123 No I'm not. Misinformed, probably. I saw a thread on Speedsolving about a 3rd Gen Stackmat. Reminds me very much like the one in the video.

[ljrox123]

@FirefoxFreeze You should probably read up a little more on that thread.

[FirefoxFreeze]

@ljrox123 I did and am now informed kthx.

[RequiemSoup]

Dudeee, I can't find like any good tutorials on the K4 method.

[fallofshadows]

@RequiemSoup I have a tutorial up from a while ago, or search "K4 tutorial alpha." Pembo made a good one a while back.

[onestar456]

this takes talent. i can only solve one side of a 3x3x3 cube, i fail so hard

[doubletripleC]

well i fail compared to you. it takes me the same amount of time to solve a 3x3x3

[Misty994]

2 minutes 37 seconds my record is 1 minute 12 seconds in your face ha!

=P

[fallofshadows]

@Misty994 Lol this is also an old vid. What do you average?

[anjochiong]

@Misty994 so you are cheater ha

[chillydoom]

is that an eastsheen cube and are they better than rubiks cube brand cubes?

[fallofshadows]

Yes, yes, and mefferts are better than ES

[fallofshadows]

Stackmat, generation 1

[thesuperfilms]

i average 1:44 wit basic reduction

[XRCAlkhijeadyXRC]

Nice

[skaterman359]

awsome

[xxPivotGuyxx]

what is the best method? can somebody tel me?

[ChoujiAkimichi]

depends entirely on you.

although MOST people do well with reduction method.

although learning multiple methods isn't such a bad idea :]

[xxPivotGuyxx]

thanks.

[1gerben11]

can you please post a tutorial or send me a link to a good tutorial??

thx

[Arycke]

Well, in my opinion, K4 does not own because it can't beat (mainstream wise) reduction because reduction times have been sub-40 (non computer) whereas K4 has not. There's too much pausing involved even with really good look ahead, and that's just how I feel about K4, as well as with the cage method.

[narutard45671]

what brand of cube are you using

[cubeMaster018]

Looks like an Eastsheen.

[narutard45671]

doesn't eastsheen have purple instead of red?

[cubeMaster018]

Yes, but you can see that he put Cubesmith stickers on it.

[xxPivotGuyxx]

purple instead of orange.

[IPwnAllAndLeaveNone]

@narutard45671 Yes, but his has tiles on them

[seth1852]

its an eastsheen with cubesmith tiles..

I believe

[littlefrank90]

lol, i guess it's not a rubik's 4x4... it's too precise

[FirefoxFreeze]

Eastsheen Brand. Can't wait for the V Cube4

[fallofshadows]

Yeah it's ES. And why wait for V cube to make something while we have Mefferts 4x4? They're amazing

[FirefoxFreeze]

For you at least.

Some people have small hands and Mefferts is bulky like a cowboy barrel full of milk,

[fallofshadows]

I thought mine was super bulky too. I took the time and energy to pry off all the tiles though (broke 2 pieces in the process, mefferts replaced them for free tho) and restickered it with standard stickers. The end result is much less bulk. I can't look ahead quite as fast as I can with an ES, but the high turn speed makes up for it by a lot.

[FirefoxFreeze]

I'm getting a QJ (Mini) 4x4. I would have gotten bulky-size, but hands are small. My only weakness with all puzzles is looking ahead.

relax. *does some Yoga crap*

[fallofshadows]

What's up with these minis I've heard of? I never check forums or anything, so I discover cubes like MONTHS after they come out haha.

[FirefoxFreeze]

QJ=Clefferts

Mini=Superior of all 4x4s

[IPwnAllAndLeaveNone]

@FirefoxFreeze QJ and Clefferts are different

[juanjc191]

where do you buy this

[Phagedaena]

The K4 system loooks really interestesting -more elegant than the 3x3x3 reduction. I don't see why this doesn't have the potential to be faster. If more people worked on it,I think we would start seeing better times with this method>

[coyote463]

i really like the cage method

[joemanyeah666]

ITS 12 O' CLOCK lol

[Arycke]

Hey, what color scheme is that? I have mine in the old style (Japanese), but your's is green opposite white and yellow opposite blue, red opposite orange?

[CubeMoti0n]

Better than I, but if you learned Fridrich Last Layer, than you would probably break sub-2 minutes.

[TheMarioBoys]

he can't because the edges arn't paired

[raaaarrrgg]

Pretty cool.

[wborofball85]

co ko co ko

[NguyenEmpir3]

is there any faster methods.

[Arycke]

Yep, Reduction is much faster than this (well, if you do Fridrich for the 3x3 solve part.)

[DistortedSmiles]

Haha the angry throw at the end

[wborofball85]

i dont think this method is faster on a 4x4

[complimentsheck]

obviously its faster.

[CUB3FR34K]

is it like Petrus Vs. Fridrich in 3x3x3..

[IPwnAllAndLeaveNone]

@CUB3FR34K

lol

in my opinion, Fridrich owns, and reduction owns (with Fridrich)

[InfinitiM13]

uhh...that bird messed you the hell up

[frostykid5]

you look pissed at the end...

[11lidz11]

coo koo coo koo

[metallicanstallion]

Nice solve, but K4 is way too inefficient.

[fallofshadows]

/watch?v=b6SnTGjreNg

[metallicanstallion]

/watch?v=XgzjxDXSxUg

[fallofshadows]

K4 isn't that fast because nobody else bothers to use it. You said it was inefficient, I prove you wrong. Haha

[metallicanstallion]

No, you didn't prove me wrong. Compared to the method I use, K4 is inefficient. Many people use K4 and it's an ok method, but it doesn't get enough done in few moves.

[AndyPorter8]

your awesome dude (Y).

[reghrhre]

nice solve 5/5

[apw10x]

I like the coo-koo(sp?) clock that goes off. =P

[gamesx12]

isnt the k4 method the one taught in the rubiks manual when u buy a 4x4, its good and all i think it has no parities, but the guides' alorithms make absolutely no sense!!!

[fallofshadows]

No, the K4 method is a method that does not have any written guides for it. Most of it is intuition anyways.

If you want a guide for K4, look at the tutorials that Pembolog and I have made.

[llena018]

could you post a video on how to use this k4 method

[fallofshadows]

I already have.

[DJKlickIn]

lol

[OisinCov]

Is the k4 method the one where you solve the centers then pair edges up and solve it like a 3x3 and run into parity?

[fallofshadows]

No, K4 is basically a layer by layer 4x4 method. The one you are speaking of is Reduction.

[DJKlickIn]

what is the K4 method and how do u use it?

[fallofshadows]

It's basically an intuitive Layer by Layer method for the 4x4. You use it to solve the cube.

[MapleStoryFunnys]

which do u guys like better 4x4 eastsheen or 4x4 rubik's

[fallofshadows]

Right now, Rubik's. But that's only because my beloved Eastie is old and dying.

[DJKlickIn]

whats eastsheen?

[fallofshadows]

A kind of cube.

[iluvharry2]

dude don't ;isten to those guys, my best time is 4 37

[fallofshadows]

My best time is 1:36...

[wiiman1099]

k4 is murderige

[fallofshadows]

It's what?

[gtarhero]

whered u get that mat? and how much?

[GeneralCuster14]

From a friend, for free =P

[magichabs3921]

you mean from a bird in a tree

[fallofshadows]

Wtf, I got thumbs down for my own comment... (I was accidentally on my bro's account.)

[7WinTerZ7]

omfg you take for ever to solve that fucking cube and fuck you K4 method....ooooooo yeah k4 yea go drown or something

[fallofshadows]

Go watch Thom Barlow solve using K4 and tell me he sucks. And before you go and make an ass out of yourself, why don't you post a 4x4 video backing the shit you talk?

[phoenix677]

thats a japanese oriented cube XD

[bugplayer2]

lol, u are nice

woooot, is 12:00 XD

[Tminusfour5]

where do you get an eastsheen with orange stickers ?

[fallofshadows]

They are non textured Cubesmith tiles (google it)

[junhyuk]

woah nice!

im junhyuk from chat from IRC #rubik

[legok1d]

can u post a video on how to solve it like that

[fallofshadows]

I already have.

[latias50]

what K4

[fallofshadows]

Method.

[latias50]

what type of method give me the url

[beho1124]

where did you get that timer?

[fallofshadows]

From a friend.

[beho1124]

thankyou anyway

[RSmassacre]

lol 12'o clock noon. (coo-coo clock in background)

[Pwnz0rz12222]

Gosh I love the shirt:D

[fallofshadows]

Props to you for being the first person to comment on it in this video, in one of my other vids it's all they talked about =)

[philliesrule3690]

haha!!

[hopelessvain]

I'm using K4 method. But still in the learning process for the LL.

[fallofshadows]

Yay, I got somebody into K4!

This just in, all of my videos have been uploaded for the LL. Check out my profile.

[Kazuma534]

How did you get your eastsheen to move so smoothly? (spring mod?) and could you maybe post a commutator vid?

[fallofshadows]

All ES cubes are smooth, it's just a matter of making sure that you don't lock it up too much.

Maybe I'll work on that comm vid, but commutators are such a pain, it's pretty much something you need to work out on your own. Give me a few days, if I get enough motivation for it I will.

[rubixcuber232]

ooo. i tried to find a site or something but i couldnt

[fallofshadows]

You're not going to be able to, there are no K4 sites on the Internet. Thom is working on it, until then, find somebody who knows the method :) (me)

[rubixcuber232]

how did you learn them from Pembo??

[fallofshadows]

MSN messenger.

[rubixcuber232]

ok i watched your tutorial and Pembos tutorial. i just need to know how to do commutators. where can i learn??

[fallofshadows]

I learned them from Pembo, and I'm not sure where he learned them. Maybe one of us should make a video explaining them... I'll see if I can get Pembo to do it, seeing as he can teach them much better than I could.

[IckyThump333]

I just started cubing a couple weeks ago and got my 3x3x3 time down to around 1:20 average. So I ordered my Rubik's Revenge off eBay today so I should get that soon lol, but would you say the K4 method is the best for a beginner to solve the revenge? If not can you tell me a good method to look up?

[fallofshadows]

K4 is a simple method to learn. It's a bit more complicated than reduction, but I would recommend sticking with it. PM me and I can teach you, we need more K4 solvers!

[kisssimmons490]

thats a eastsheen cube

[fallofshadows]

Yes it is.

[fallofshadows]

I might make another 4x4 video today, I just watched this video for the first time and realized how horrible the time was, lol.

[ruff48]

holy crap the revenge of the cukcoo clock!

[fallofshadows]

Yeah, I think you're the first person who has mentioned that. During the solve when it went off I was thinking "That damn clock again!!!!" Lol

[ruff48]

nice solve by the way.

[lxlCHECKMATElxl]

that shit is hard to put bak together

[killwill07]

wtf is the K4 method? ive heard of centers first and the cage method, but not da k4

[fallofshadows]

You build two opp centers, solve 3/4 cross edges of D, and then use that open slot to solve the rest of the centers. Solve the rest of D, insert edges one at a time, and then use commutators to solve the LL.

[daisy8400]

how did you get a big one?

[fallofshadows]

Google it, lol.

[28082989]

pff you suck men...

[fallofshadows]

Better then sucking sims.

[gamemeister27]

not the cukcoo again!

[fallofshadows]

Yeah... That damn clock, only goes off when I'm filming something...

[ThePizzaGuy92]

eastsheen or cubesmith tiles? or both?

[gamemeister27]

cubesmith i believe.

[fallofshadows]

Yeppers, you win. Non textured CS tiles. They own, just like K4 does.

[rubikscubeman12]

hey where did u get that timer?

[fallofshadows]

Kyle Allaire =D

[rockonrusty07]

good video, but just got one question though........ wats the difference beetween methods??

[fallofshadows]

You don't cube, stop wasting my time.

[rockonrusty07]

srry geez im just asking :(

[ThePizzaGuy92]

hahahaha!!!!

[fallofshadows]

Non cubers, such a problem, eh?

[ThePizzaGuy92]

oh yes.

[xugoodness57]

LOL!!!!!!