please ditch the background music I've been really enjoying all of these shows but it's extremely distracting. Especially in some cases it's been loud enough to make it hard to hear the commentary.
please ditch the background music I've been really enjoying all of these shows but it's extremely distracting. Especially in some cases it's been loud enough to make it hard to hear the commentary.
I've been enjoying the shows thus far but you guys really got to ditch the background music. It's repetitive and distracts from the content. Otherwise keep up the good work!
As a young person who grew up on forums, and now as an engineer for an OEM, I see both sides of this. I no longer view forums as important for researching new trends and ideas. Mainly now I use it to see if something we saw on test made it to the field. But at the same time, that may be because I resonate with the forum population already and want to see many of the same new features in cars.
tooooooooooooooooo much pointless talking on this chat show............ get to the point, edit the script, self edit........ too much chitter chatter. this is the third video now i have found with you..l will look at some more but then ...... very dull chaps. up the anti please.
@flyjum But there are 10x to 100x of the people in forums that don't care and just drive their car as an appliance. That is not going to ever change. Those people will never notice such narrowly targeted advertising.
i don't get why you're talking about forums when they OBVIOUSLY represent such a small portion of potential buyers... ??? "Audi AG sold around 1302650 cars in 2011" (wheels unplugged); audiworld forums have about 230k members (active users is probably something close to 2K at the very most)... why base ANY decision about your brand/design on the opinions of such a small segment of your market? end of conversation, and no need for an 8 minute video. Guys DRIVE is an awesome channel, but COME ON!
this is my input to the VWVortex forum to VAGroup....THEY NEED TO MAKE A RWD CAR!!! It doesnt matter WHAT BADGE its under.....it just needs to be a RWD sports car!! FWD and AWD are great, but therez a huge untapped market for VAG with RWD. Most ppl that buy RWD have the choice of OLD JAP, Merc or BMW, what if I'm brand loyal to VAG But want RWD??? IM stuck!!
I know for a fact that Ford used a lot of the input from the SHOForum in developing the new 2010 SHO and it's major update in 2013, based on feedback from '10-'12 owners. I like it a lot and glad manufacturers are finally listening to enthusiasts and not just the majority.
I know it's kind of your 'style' but 1 minute outro's for a 7 minute video has got to go. When I watch drive in a playlist of other videos you completely fuck up the flow and I usually get frustrated enough to skip to the end. Eventually I might get frustrated enough to just start skipping whole episodes. 30 second MAX outro is more than enough to accomplish your goal without making people impatient,
@allodesousa Annotations are switched on. A minute is still too long to have us stare at three video links. So unless I'm still missing something... I have other subscriptions that do this and I'm willing to put up their spammy promotions of other videos to a point because I know they are trying to drum up views and $ for themselves. That point is no where near a minute long.
forums are quite powerful. for example i joined a Petition for a console game to go to PC called Dark Souls. in 7 days 65K signs on the petition and a couple thousand forum responses and 200K + individual forum views on that topic. It would be stupid if the company will ignore such a hype..
So when done right even non forum members will join the conversation if done right, then again that could be done on twitter also...
I never liked going to forums. Too much clicking to find what I want. It would be easier if the Forums were set up more like the Youtube comments pages. I could just scroll down the page and read ever ones comments without having to click on there name. All the forums I have gone to before were pretty bad, I cannot speak for all of them, maybe some are good, I don't know. Thats just my experience.
what do i think? umm sorry but i think i must have missed the question......i will watch it again to try to figure out what you were talking about. with 8 minuets of mono-tone conversation, i must have got distracted by my own thoughts about cars and driving and what kind of concept car i would make...... sorry but you have to drink some coffee or eat some suger
forums are like the enthusiast customer's shrink..social media followers are like complacent cocksucker's who can't afford the cars..Makers are businesses..they peak around in forums when you're not looking and address 'their people' on facebook, at the end of the day they dont give a fuck what the enthusiasts think as long as they make profit.
I am sorry, but the more videos I watch, the more I wonder why I subscribed. Watch 2 men talking about car in general isn't that fascinating, and I'm not a kid who watch Top Gear only, it's just not what I thought it would be.
@TranceAddict2 I wasn't. I was just basing it off your logic. James has plenty of personality, but his on screen enthusiasm (even when being funny) is similar to Mike's. If you want to get technical about it, then you can't overlook that. You might assume that James Lipton also has little personality based off his show.
@TheShammies Never said anything about Alex o.O But yes, at least Alex does have personality. I would rather have car presenters with lots of personality like Alex, Derek, and Leo. Too many car shows these days just drone on with boring hosts. It would be more fun to read about the stories than listen to those people
If your forum is for a real club, people who know each other and go to events you're a hell of a lot more likely to get some positive manufacturer attention. If you're just posting on a car forum whos only point is for people to talk about cars... the only time manufactures will interact with you is when they make joke troll accounts.
One thing companies can get from enthuasts on forums before getting it anywhere else is how to make their cars better. Enthusiasts are the ones who are with a company because they have what they want and when enthusiasts say the cars are getting too big, heavy, cheap interiors, away from their essense, etc, these are the things companies should look at most to actually make a better car. But on the contrary, most car sales dont come from enthusiasts & sales is whats most important.
They need to just DROP road testament, because the last several episodes have all been SEVERAL times better than any of the traditional road testament videos.
Its really depends on the forums. I love my forum and I have made a lot of "irl" friends from it. But some forums are really close minded and only like a certain engine or drivetrain and aren't open to new things. Or some people just spread bad info because they're dumb. Others are totally open and welcoming to new stuff so it kinda varies.
ive had kawasaki corp. email me about i post i made, sent me free oil and filter to compare there product (in this case new oils) vs what i use, and for them i made post to compare. very cool too see companys look there and even beyond that make an effort to better there image and such. even beyond just oems, we on kawasaki forums got aftermarket companies like ims to make a tank for our bikes (09-12 klx250s), and even members to make runs of products they have made like bill blue's 351 big bore
The thing to consider in case of mass market cars. Dedicated "enthusiast" will buy the car anyway so why manufacturer should care about their opinion? What they care is how to attract new customers (subaru for example). And twitter, facebook, etc is a good platform to shout to new potential customers; forums are well suited for connection with people who already bought the car.
@sid203 because the people on the forums are probably younger, male buyers who are probably only interested in the latest M series car etc, its not a good place to go and get a valid response for the 40 y/o+ woman who wants a new 3/5 series convertible on what colour trim she likes, wheels etc. its ideal as VW did with the golf R, a pretty specific product for a pretty specific market but its not a varied, diverse, quality sample of the buyers. it may also be very region specific too...
ease up on JF, he's mellowed out a lot over the last two ep's and he's lost that bratty "what's next? attitude". Good show. Car forum for a whole ep? Wouldn't of been my choice, but hey beggars can't be choosers.
@terkelenprobst It's the Chevy Mi-Ray, a hybrid RMR sports car. It was originally shown in Seoul, S. Korea. The hybrid system is assumed to be similar to the 911 GT3 Hybrid's or New NSX's. The motor boosts the front wheels while the engine runs the rears. It is not known how much it would cost, however it's unlikely the hybrid system would make to sale in a small sports car. However, less expensive sports car, as the Kappas were to be, under the Corvette is desired.
@FrenchCanadianCook Just keeping it simple.......I struggle to see how somebody who's only ever owned a single Audi can somehow be an "automotive enthusiast" or even know dick squat about cars in general. He's been coasting for too long. Cut him loose.
why don't manufacturers make an E(enthusiast) model for specific vehicles that have been configured around the enthusiasts' suggestions. i mean new cars have so many different models it's nothing too crazy to do... Enthusiasts are not 'potential' buyers they are 'repeat' buyers
@juukyuu7666 Actually, very many enthusiasts can not afford or wouldn't end up buying the cars they dream up on forums. Enthusiasts also tend to suggest things without taking any other aspect of design, cost, feasibility, economics, and current regulations into account.
If the adjustments are reasonable, sure, but there needs to be more of a pool than a forum of 500-2000 people who might or could buy it if they made it.
The forums are proactively against company involvement. I've tried to get on them to share good information with good intentions, since I see them asking for and needing it. We, the brands, are up to our elbows in it all day learning about this stuff, and 9-5er enthusiasts are asking each other, not the experts, advice. After a week or so they usually tear the manufacturer apart, and the moderators accuse them of aggressive marketing. In theory it's a great idea, but in practice it doesn't work.
Personally I frequent VWvortex but more often than not I spend my time over on 034motorsport's forum, motorgeek. We often get Audi involved with our get together's, specifically Battleborn Quattros, which I think is freakin awesome.
Your point about manufacturers allowing social media and customers pick the concepts they want to see build makes me think of a quote by Steve Jobs, "You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new." As great as it is for me to say, "I love X concept, Make it,"it may not be what is in the best interest of a company.
Hmm, I don't know about car companies getting too involved, I prefer my forums independent and not some controlled marketing environment full of PR crap. And like the BMW guy said, it's only a small amount of the customer base who visits these forums, so it's probably not that interesting for the companies either. They are very loyal customers in general, but that's not necessarily where the money is at and they are also already connected to the brand, so why spend more time on that group?
The things I hate about todays carmakers is how they cut corners to save money, like removing LSD's and switching to front wheel drive. Cars don't get cheaper, but their hardware does.
And then there's the item of ergonomics, almost never can i put the steering wheel where I want it. I don't have long legs, but not short ones either, but it's just silly that it doesn't come lose enough.
And the rear seats, many carmakers don't give them much attention.
Who needs car forums when you can go to Jalopnik where they (and the commentariat) know everything about all cars. I've seen some crazy car knowledge on that site.
Idea for show: What makes the best selling car in the US. what are the factors, how does the company that does it do it in their product, and what are the other companies missing
Chevy has representives on Camaro5, and they are all very helpful and a grand source of information. Even a customer service person to help direct people to the services that they need in the US. Many dealers personally represent themselves as well and do amazing things for the community. Having aftermarket, oem, and dealers all in one place really helps the customers make proper informed decisions on what we need for our cars to suit each individual person.
I think the best thing companies can do it's to profesionally "infiltrate" bigger forums, and to grow official relations on different levels with key subject like admins, bookwriters\publishing houses (many authors are active 'popularizer of knowledge' XD), and to create an open, friendly, source of quality 'presskit' kind of material, to promote individual supporting and creative activities. And great job as always.
What's frustrating is when manufacturers seem to either not be aware of or choose to ignore the information on fora. They SHOULD be getting involved with forum users as these people tend to be the most enthusiastic, the most dedicated and often the EXACT target market. So many times I've been disappointed with a 'Mk2' or a facelift as it doesn't address the issues with the Mk1 etc, or doesn't offer features most agree they'd like. I've abandoned brands because they haven't listened.
Great job guys! I'm so glad your on. But whats that devilish looking speedster from Chevy behind you ? with the minimal grill openings I'm guessing electric?
Man this show is awesome, dare I say better than the slightly tired and over scripted TgUK?
Although I am a BMW enthusiast myself, I have to commend VW's dedication to their fan base. Not only through event's like Wörthersee 2007 where they unveiled the Golf W12 concept car but also through a deeply routed focus on customer satisfaction. My father met Bernd Pischetsrieder a few years back, who was fervently interested in the problems my Dad was having with his VW's dual mass flywheel.
no company cares about their enthusiasts. The enthusiasts are your endangered species especially in the performance aspect of vehicles. They want the general public's opinion, its marketing 101, majority > minority.
I can't stand how the auto industry harps on the fact that there’s a lot of wrong info on the internet & dismiss the fact that there’s a lot or correct info. It's also flustrating when manufacturers & dealers play dumb like you are the only one with said issue or blame failures on mods even though there are many example of stock vehicles with the same issue like Subaru's cracking oil pickup tube, BMW's HPFP failures, Nissan's master cylinder leak. The info is out there, you can’t hide it.
the only problem with forums is its everyones dirty laundry (including enthusiasts) rarely does someone go on to forums to say how much they like their car. they go on and say something like... hey everyone just bought my fourth cam follower for the gti.... excited to have to rip off the fuel pump again to install it.
@xxzeroxx125 Not everyone is going into the forum sub-sections titled "problems" to bad mouth the brand. Most members discuss new and up coming products as well as aftermarket part discussion. Don't kid yourself into thinking the forum moderators dont police the heck out of their site and ban problematic members in under 10 minutes. Have you ever been on camaro5dotcom? Just try to bad mouth the Camaro and see how quick you get banned.
As an administrator on a car forum, it is always great to see relations between the board, and the manufacturer or local dealership. Many many times our forum (Toronto Mazda 6) has been invited out to special track days, or promo events held by Mazda. They love our input. We love their reaching out to us. When you can have a link to your forum on Mazda.ca website, that truly shows their appreciation for the club, and that means a lot to the board and it's members.
real cool just guys sitting talking cars awesome do more of this
schlumperdick 1 week ago
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please ditch the background music I've been really enjoying all of these shows but it's extremely distracting. Especially in some cases it's been loud enough to make it hard to hear the commentary.
rawblol 2 weeks ago
please ditch the background music I've been really enjoying all of these shows but it's extremely distracting. Especially in some cases it's been loud enough to make it hard to hear the commentary.
rawblol 2 weeks ago
I've been enjoying the shows thus far but you guys really got to ditch the background music. It's repetitive and distracts from the content. Otherwise keep up the good work!
roguetorino 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos 3
I love how you call it last day when you're wearing the same preview badges that I had that expired on Jan 13th.
jrs89 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
wonder if its possible for JF not to mention an audi, vw or a porsche in one of these video's.
Jamdun17 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Tttt
fairtester 1 month ago
As a young person who grew up on forums, and now as an engineer for an OEM, I see both sides of this. I no longer view forums as important for researching new trends and ideas. Mainly now I use it to see if something we saw on test made it to the field. But at the same time, that may be because I resonate with the forum population already and want to see many of the same new features in cars.
arcticsungt 1 month ago
Chris harris Please
ZevGT3 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
tooooooooooooooooo much pointless talking on this chat show............ get to the point, edit the script, self edit........ too much chitter chatter. this is the third video now i have found with you..l will look at some more but then ...... very dull chaps. up the anti please.
laradancey 1 month ago
The new M5 is so disappointing
RoIIsRoyceGhost 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Camaro5 FTW. :)
pwnageness 1 month ago
Seriously SCREW AUDI and PORSCHE
jclarkr6 1 month ago
Yeah finally talking about forums...I think I mentioned this last week on Youtube, FLD forums, and in an email. Thanks!
rckymtnlegacy 1 month ago in playlist More videos from drive
The background music is maddening.
Stoutcrotch 1 month ago
Great topic, never was a forum user, good incite guys! thanks!
25Celtics 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
how come these videos won't load for me I've been trying for the past 3 days
AustinF12 1 month ago in playlist More videos from drive
That guy got a raging hard-on when he heard John Elway's name.
naperking 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
HOLD UP! You see John Elway and you end? No No No Boys! You pick up that camera and you ask Mr. Elway a question! lol
doggiepowers 1 month ago
1st proper Road Testament episode in while......FINALLY!
09cct353sidhua 1 month ago
Lose the music. Not only is dreary but it drowns the speech.
VonStrappen 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
Car forums and other social media outlets are/will be the next big marketing thing.
Instead of paying millions to run a commercial on tv you can pay someone to post or make content for these websites.
This is especially important for performance or niche brand/models. Good example is the golf R or the new gt86/frs/brz car.
Also to the guy saying that the car forums is a small portion of potential buyers.
Your wrong there are tons and tons of different forums with different users.
flyjum 1 month ago
@flyjum But there are 10x to 100x of the people in forums that don't care and just drive their car as an appliance. That is not going to ever change. Those people will never notice such narrowly targeted advertising.
jeep6242 1 month ago
i don't get why you're talking about forums when they OBVIOUSLY represent such a small portion of potential buyers... ??? "Audi AG sold around 1302650 cars in 2011" (wheels unplugged); audiworld forums have about 230k members (active users is probably something close to 2K at the very most)... why base ANY decision about your brand/design on the opinions of such a small segment of your market? end of conversation, and no need for an 8 minute video. Guys DRIVE is an awesome channel, but COME ON!
illyay 1 month ago
camaro5 ftw!
gbrilliantq 1 month ago
Nice blue calipers on the blue M5! Vid makes some good points!
CarScrubs 1 month ago
that m5 looks sweet
DMasterMensionz 1 month ago
Great topic!
bajabusta 1 month ago
what is the car spinning in the background - i would like to know
trick0222 1 month ago in playlist More videos from drive
this is my input to the VWVortex forum to VAGroup....THEY NEED TO MAKE A RWD CAR!!! It doesnt matter WHAT BADGE its under.....it just needs to be a RWD sports car!! FWD and AWD are great, but therez a huge untapped market for VAG with RWD. Most ppl that buy RWD have the choice of OLD JAP, Merc or BMW, what if I'm brand loyal to VAG But want RWD??? IM stuck!!
yazctr 1 month ago
I know for a fact that Ford used a lot of the input from the SHOForum in developing the new 2010 SHO and it's major update in 2013, based on feedback from '10-'12 owners. I like it a lot and glad manufacturers are finally listening to enthusiasts and not just the majority.
typhoon5000 1 month ago in playlist More videos from drive
I know it's kind of your 'style' but 1 minute outro's for a 7 minute video has got to go. When I watch drive in a playlist of other videos you completely fuck up the flow and I usually get frustrated enough to skip to the end. Eventually I might get frustrated enough to just start skipping whole episodes. 30 second MAX outro is more than enough to accomplish your goal without making people impatient,
jeep6242 1 month ago 54
@jeep6242: annotations must be switched on, then you will understand why that 1min matter ;)
allodesousa 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT
@allodesousa Annotations are switched on. A minute is still too long to have us stare at three video links. So unless I'm still missing something... I have other subscriptions that do this and I'm willing to put up their spammy promotions of other videos to a point because I know they are trying to drum up views and $ for themselves. That point is no where near a minute long.
jeep6242 1 month ago
forums are quite powerful. for example i joined a Petition for a console game to go to PC called Dark Souls. in 7 days 65K signs on the petition and a couple thousand forum responses and 200K + individual forum views on that topic. It would be stupid if the company will ignore such a hype..
So when done right even non forum members will join the conversation if done right, then again that could be done on twitter also...
shintsu01 1 month ago
I never liked going to forums. Too much clicking to find what I want. It would be easier if the Forums were set up more like the Youtube comments pages. I could just scroll down the page and read ever ones comments without having to click on there name. All the forums I have gone to before were pretty bad, I cannot speak for all of them, maybe some are good, I don't know. Thats just my experience.
EliteGuard01 1 month ago
what do i think? umm sorry but i think i must have missed the question......i will watch it again to try to figure out what you were talking about. with 8 minuets of mono-tone conversation, i must have got distracted by my own thoughts about cars and driving and what kind of concept car i would make...... sorry but you have to drink some coffee or eat some suger
dakoffran 1 month ago
boring.......
metra46 1 month ago
i have always went back to forums to ask and answer some of the basics questions
reex130 1 month ago
Nice chat, gentlemen. I for one enjoy Road Testimnent. Keep up the good work.
spazzonio 1 month ago 6
forums are like the enthusiast customer's shrink..social media followers are like complacent cocksucker's who can't afford the cars..Makers are businesses..they peak around in forums when you're not looking and address 'their people' on facebook, at the end of the day they dont give a fuck what the enthusiasts think as long as they make profit.
P.S. Mazda is one of few exceptions
Sameh90 1 month ago
I am sorry, but the more videos I watch, the more I wonder why I subscribed. Watch 2 men talking about car in general isn't that fascinating, and I'm not a kid who watch Top Gear only, it's just not what I thought it would be.
More like "Talk" than "Drive".
Duron13 1 month ago
You definitely need other host... Get Alex on the screen
aramir71 1 month ago 2
I keep trying but i honestly cant get past how little personality Mike has.. :s
TranceAddict2 1 month ago 3
@TranceAddict2 agreed
elyne2 1 month ago
@TranceAddict2 If the majority of your basis is from his interaction in this video, than the same can be said about James May.
Shift4g 1 month ago
@Shift4g Why would you compare Mike to James May? There is actually humor in what James and the other two presenters do
TranceAddict2 1 month ago
@TranceAddict2 I wasn't. I was just basing it off your logic. James has plenty of personality, but his on screen enthusiasm (even when being funny) is similar to Mike's. If you want to get technical about it, then you can't overlook that. You might assume that James Lipton also has little personality based off his show.
Shift4g 1 month ago
@TranceAddict2 And Alex had too much of it. You guys complain a lot.
TheShammies 1 month ago
@TheShammies Never said anything about Alex o.O But yes, at least Alex does have personality. I would rather have car presenters with lots of personality like Alex, Derek, and Leo. Too many car shows these days just drone on with boring hosts. It would be more fun to read about the stories than listen to those people
TranceAddict2 1 month ago
Jeez, yr presenters have fuck all charisma.
IrishAlliedBanks 1 month ago 2
3:40 So do you need a rim job?
asdfgoogle 1 month ago
If your forum is for a real club, people who know each other and go to events you're a hell of a lot more likely to get some positive manufacturer attention. If you're just posting on a car forum whos only point is for people to talk about cars... the only time manufactures will interact with you is when they make joke troll accounts.
TheLifePerfect 1 month ago
5:27 - yeah wonder who is cleaning those cars.... Amongst a bunch of white and asian ppl...
Eliano55 1 month ago
One thing companies can get from enthuasts on forums before getting it anywhere else is how to make their cars better. Enthusiasts are the ones who are with a company because they have what they want and when enthusiasts say the cars are getting too big, heavy, cheap interiors, away from their essense, etc, these are the things companies should look at most to actually make a better car. But on the contrary, most car sales dont come from enthusiasts & sales is whats most important.
DoggysStyle 1 month ago
Mike's eyes are so big that they are distracting me
smp336 1 month ago
I must be a little older than these guys because I got a lot of my knowledge from forums, too. PENTHOUSE forums!!!
See, that's a joke because before the internets, your porn was mostly in magazines like Penthouse and...oh never mind.
MrGrammartroll 1 month ago
Shoot, the more I think about it, auto manufacturers should just hang out on Jalopnik comments most of their time. :P
TripleZ89 1 month ago
I'm noticing a pattern:
When I come to /drive, I always let out a sigh of disappointment when I see the words "Road Testament."
Sorry guys.
doubleKlutch 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
@doubleKlutch Very true.
They need to just DROP road testament, because the last several episodes have all been SEVERAL times better than any of the traditional road testament videos.
asdfgoogle 1 month ago
4:10
"Psychographic Trend Vectors"
Just last week, my mechanic said I needed to replace all 4 of those or my engine would suffer from jargon-lock.
doubleKlutch 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Its really depends on the forums. I love my forum and I have made a lot of "irl" friends from it. But some forums are really close minded and only like a certain engine or drivetrain and aren't open to new things. Or some people just spread bad info because they're dumb. Others are totally open and welcoming to new stuff so it kinda varies.
captBLOTTO 1 month ago
"my rim keeps getting bent"..... great choice of words. FJ for president.
theonlyartist1992 1 month ago
ive had kawasaki corp. email me about i post i made, sent me free oil and filter to compare there product (in this case new oils) vs what i use, and for them i made post to compare. very cool too see companys look there and even beyond that make an effort to better there image and such. even beyond just oems, we on kawasaki forums got aftermarket companies like ims to make a tank for our bikes (09-12 klx250s), and even members to make runs of products they have made like bill blue's 351 big bore
punkenduro 1 month ago
Paid more attention to the rotating cars than anything else.....
kelvator 1 month ago
The thing to consider in case of mass market cars. Dedicated "enthusiast" will buy the car anyway so why manufacturer should care about their opinion? What they care is how to attract new customers (subaru for example). And twitter, facebook, etc is a good platform to shout to new potential customers; forums are well suited for connection with people who already bought the car.
g1DDriver 1 month ago
Thanks for the mention. We here at Roadfly are pretty proud of our BMW forum.
-Emme@RoadflyTV
roadflytv 1 month ago
I like how the BMW guy said polling forum members wouldn't be a statistically valid sample
for marketing research-
listen - it's the die hard BMW owners who are on these forums - so how is it not valid to ask their opinion etc.... they buy your damn product
they should fire this prick
sid203 1 month ago
@sid203 because the people on the forums are probably younger, male buyers who are probably only interested in the latest M series car etc, its not a good place to go and get a valid response for the 40 y/o+ woman who wants a new 3/5 series convertible on what colour trim she likes, wheels etc. its ideal as VW did with the golf R, a pretty specific product for a pretty specific market but its not a varied, diverse, quality sample of the buyers. it may also be very region specific too...
isaacarus 1 month ago
ease up on JF, he's mellowed out a lot over the last two ep's and he's lost that bratty "what's next? attitude". Good show. Car forum for a whole ep? Wouldn't of been my choice, but hey beggars can't be choosers.
MrBlah3144 1 month ago
Can someone please tell me what the spinning Chevy concept in the background is???
terkelenprobst 1 month ago
@terkelenprobst It's the Chevy Mi-Ray, a hybrid RMR sports car. It was originally shown in Seoul, S. Korea. The hybrid system is assumed to be similar to the 911 GT3 Hybrid's or New NSX's. The motor boosts the front wheels while the engine runs the rears. It is not known how much it would cost, however it's unlikely the hybrid system would make to sale in a small sports car. However, less expensive sports car, as the Kappas were to be, under the Corvette is desired.
DocWolph 1 month ago
no talk about subaru or acura/honda communites? most of them are larger than BMW. and NASIOC may be one of the largest out there.
urmomisfineinbed 1 month ago
You suck, JF.
rogerpemberton 1 month ago
@rogerpemberton do better!
FrenchCanadianCook 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos 2
@FrenchCanadianCook Just keeping it simple.......I struggle to see how somebody who's only ever owned a single Audi can somehow be an "automotive enthusiast" or even know dick squat about cars in general. He's been coasting for too long. Cut him loose.
rogerpemberton 1 month ago
why don't manufacturers make an E(enthusiast) model for specific vehicles that have been configured around the enthusiasts' suggestions. i mean new cars have so many different models it's nothing too crazy to do... Enthusiasts are not 'potential' buyers they are 'repeat' buyers
juukyuu7666 1 month ago
@juukyuu7666 Actually, very many enthusiasts can not afford or wouldn't end up buying the cars they dream up on forums. Enthusiasts also tend to suggest things without taking any other aspect of design, cost, feasibility, economics, and current regulations into account.
If the adjustments are reasonable, sure, but there needs to be more of a pool than a forum of 500-2000 people who might or could buy it if they made it.
Shift4g 1 month ago
The forums are proactively against company involvement. I've tried to get on them to share good information with good intentions, since I see them asking for and needing it. We, the brands, are up to our elbows in it all day learning about this stuff, and 9-5er enthusiasts are asking each other, not the experts, advice. After a week or so they usually tear the manufacturer apart, and the moderators accuse them of aggressive marketing. In theory it's a great idea, but in practice it doesn't work.
powerbrakeservice 1 month ago
The dude on the right is annoying as fuck.
8point4LitreViper 1 month ago
Does JF get a cheque every time he says Audi?
yardiex 1 month ago
thats a huge buick behind you guys
badyearXY 1 month ago
Hands down, best engine forum has to be K20a (dot) org.. extremely detailed treads & the admins are very knowledgeable.
Hondaminican 1 month ago
Im lovin the f10 M5
00through09 1 month ago
Awww! Thanks for the shout out JF. :-)
roadflytv 1 month ago 2
Are there any stairs in your houses :V
tbdaemon 1 month ago
Where is the BMW guy's bluetooth headset?
carlb86 1 month ago
Personally I frequent VWvortex but more often than not I spend my time over on 034motorsport's forum, motorgeek. We often get Audi involved with our get together's, specifically Battleborn Quattros, which I think is freakin awesome.
singleblankscreen 1 month ago
that chevy roadster in the back looked pretty awesome
suvalle55 1 month ago
Your point about manufacturers allowing social media and customers pick the concepts they want to see build makes me think of a quote by Steve Jobs, "You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new." As great as it is for me to say, "I love X concept, Make it,"it may not be what is in the best interest of a company.
iaidan 1 month ago
The guy who needs a haircut does a lot of exaggerated nodding.
soulshinobi 1 month ago
Hmm, I don't know about car companies getting too involved, I prefer my forums independent and not some controlled marketing environment full of PR crap. And like the BMW guy said, it's only a small amount of the customer base who visits these forums, so it's probably not that interesting for the companies either. They are very loyal customers in general, but that's not necessarily where the money is at and they are also already connected to the brand, so why spend more time on that group?
iXchani91 1 month ago
The things I hate about todays carmakers is how they cut corners to save money, like removing LSD's and switching to front wheel drive. Cars don't get cheaper, but their hardware does.
And then there's the item of ergonomics, almost never can i put the steering wheel where I want it. I don't have long legs, but not short ones either, but it's just silly that it doesn't come lose enough.
And the rear seats, many carmakers don't give them much attention.
dekster14LP 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT
Forums were around 10 years ago?
taulpaul85 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT
Who needs car forums when you can go to Jalopnik where they (and the commentariat) know everything about all cars. I've seen some crazy car knowledge on that site.
mrdragancelan 1 month ago
Idea for show: What makes the best selling car in the US. what are the factors, how does the company that does it do it in their product, and what are the other companies missing
jclarkr6 1 month ago
R3vlimited
e30 or bust
Crushercurtis702 1 month ago
The background music makes it difficult to hear some of the dialog
erichill13 1 month ago
Good job, Mike. Much more relaxed and no cue cards. Love it. Keep up the good work all :)
jonaswang79 1 month ago
@jonaswang79 Thanks! A few thousand more shows and I'll be awesome ; )
mikespinnn 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Chevy has representives on Camaro5, and they are all very helpful and a grand source of information. Even a customer service person to help direct people to the services that they need in the US. Many dealers personally represent themselves as well and do amazing things for the community. Having aftermarket, oem, and dealers all in one place really helps the customers make proper informed decisions on what we need for our cars to suit each individual person.
SleepWarz 1 month ago
I think the best thing companies can do it's to profesionally "infiltrate" bigger forums, and to grow official relations on different levels with key subject like admins, bookwriters\publishing houses (many authors are active 'popularizer of knowledge' XD), and to create an open, friendly, source of quality 'presskit' kind of material, to promote individual supporting and creative activities. And great job as always.
thepiuma 1 month ago
MontrealRacing forum for the win ! :D
Carrera911Fan 1 month ago
What's frustrating is when manufacturers seem to either not be aware of or choose to ignore the information on fora. They SHOULD be getting involved with forum users as these people tend to be the most enthusiastic, the most dedicated and often the EXACT target market. So many times I've been disappointed with a 'Mk2' or a facelift as it doesn't address the issues with the Mk1 etc, or doesn't offer features most agree they'd like. I've abandoned brands because they haven't listened.
Funkmeister0000 1 month ago
Fantastic Topic!
IAAudi 1 month ago
Great job guys! I'm so glad your on. But whats that devilish looking speedster from Chevy behind you ? with the minimal grill openings I'm guessing electric?
corbelius6 1 month ago
whats the rotating car behind yall?
xxguitarnoobxx 1 month ago
@xxguitarnoobxx Chevrolet Miray concept.
thattyguyperson 1 month ago
Man this show is awesome, dare I say better than the slightly tired and over scripted TgUK?
Although I am a BMW enthusiast myself, I have to commend VW's dedication to their fan base. Not only through event's like Wörthersee 2007 where they unveiled the Golf W12 concept car but also through a deeply routed focus on customer satisfaction. My father met Bernd Pischetsrieder a few years back, who was fervently interested in the problems my Dad was having with his VW's dual mass flywheel.
RouteZeroDesign 1 month ago 2
no company cares about their enthusiasts. The enthusiasts are your endangered species especially in the performance aspect of vehicles. They want the general public's opinion, its marketing 101, majority > minority.
aboyaci 1 month ago 2
A "trend vector for a psychographic consumer mindset." Corporate-speak has really upped its game.
SeraphimEpsilon 1 month ago
I can't stand how the auto industry harps on the fact that there’s a lot of wrong info on the internet & dismiss the fact that there’s a lot or correct info. It's also flustrating when manufacturers & dealers play dumb like you are the only one with said issue or blame failures on mods even though there are many example of stock vehicles with the same issue like Subaru's cracking oil pickup tube, BMW's HPFP failures, Nissan's master cylinder leak. The info is out there, you can’t hide it.
mrsalty75 1 month ago
too many trolls on forums
jarjarlol 1 month ago 6
Car forums is where we got our start too! With Suzuki SX4 enthusiasts and Ford Mustang enthusiasts.
Great topic. Glad to hear the manufacturers are taking note.
p.s. did you say Zerin got you into automotive stuff? I love SSL - Go Texas ;)
texasGarage 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
What's the Chevy in the background
silvr333 1 month ago
What is that Chevy Concept Car in the background?
TheKingofFightNight 1 month ago
the only problem with forums is its everyones dirty laundry (including enthusiasts) rarely does someone go on to forums to say how much they like their car. they go on and say something like... hey everyone just bought my fourth cam follower for the gti.... excited to have to rip off the fuel pump again to install it.
xxzeroxx125 1 month ago 11
@xxzeroxx125 Not everyone is going into the forum sub-sections titled "problems" to bad mouth the brand. Most members discuss new and up coming products as well as aftermarket part discussion. Don't kid yourself into thinking the forum moderators dont police the heck out of their site and ban problematic members in under 10 minutes. Have you ever been on camaro5dotcom? Just try to bad mouth the Camaro and see how quick you get banned.
dieseldan420ca 1 month ago
As an administrator on a car forum, it is always great to see relations between the board, and the manufacturer or local dealership. Many many times our forum (Toronto Mazda 6) has been invited out to special track days, or promo events held by Mazda. They love our input. We love their reaching out to us. When you can have a link to your forum on Mazda.ca website, that truly shows their appreciation for the club, and that means a lot to the board and it's members.
JDisturbed 1 month ago 37
Good topic!
bottomlayer 1 month ago 4
oh boy 6:40 another tripod guy
ddriver22 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT 2
great video!
Ghostca 1 month ago
What concept is that in the background? The corvette?
fullofpaint 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
and my suggestion by the way is either better music or no music. the same ton repeatedly playing made me want to kill myself
ddriver22 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT
ahem...'my rim keeps getting bent'...hehe
adamsewell92 1 month ago
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ddriver22 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT
1:00 - 3:52 could not focus due to the guy in the background with tripod
ddriver22 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT 2
boy, drive is such an awesome channel - keep up the great work guys!
92SawyerH 1 month ago in playlist ROAD TESTAMENT 89