Why would Supermans father have an 'S' logo on his chest? on Krypton he is Kal-El, his Father Jor-El. Superman is a nickname he has on Earth. Why th 'S' logo? was he called Superman on krypton too? its just dum, the writers didnt think this through enough.
@tentimetex It just worked out this way. The "S" appearance of the family coat of arms, on Krypton, is not an actual S, as it is on Earth. It appears more as a Serpent, which according to many ancient myths, (Mayan, Egyptian, Jewish, African, Etc.), was the bringer of knowledge to mankind.
@tentimetex no your just an idiot. the 'S' is his families insigna, birthright, meaning "El" like what some historical figures have had or even what we use as logos
First of all, it didn't originate with this movie, so don't blame them. It's original to the entire Superman comic.
Second, while we all know it looks like an S and creatively it is obviously intended to be so, it is described as being the "El family crest", which only resembles the letter S by coincidence. Sounds silly, but so is everything else about a flying superhero.
I love a lot of the Donner Footage. I grew up seeing it and wishing it was back in the movie. But I'm just not a fan of this. Much to wordy and over dramatic. Chris Reeve performance is not as good as it is in the actual 80' film.
Mabie if Donner finished this scene ( proper ) it would be. I'm sure he would have changed some things. But all we have is this early ( rough ) footage.
this scene is one of the reasons why RD cut is much better in quality and emotion than lester...if RD would finish the movie, we might had get the best sequel in film story...thanks salkind and lester for screw it up
Well guess what its not Brando it's Todd Woodcroft insted. I thought it was Brandeo to never really thought about it. But the wife pointed it out to me.
i seroiusly hope zac snyder has seen this scene and has some of this type of emotion in the man of steel this is stirring stuff and the reason i love superman the father son stuff is fantastic. It pulls both superman 1 and 2 together
@TheUltimateTARDIS I'm sure your grandpa is a good man. Thanks for sharing and feeling the same. Be brave, just like Superman. We shall not let our love ones down for the hopes and love they have for us.
I have always love this scene, becoz it is so touching. I miss my Father...i can no longer see him nor hear him again.......i cried for him when i fail in life.
People like to think superman is Jesus, but forget that the character was made by sons of Jewish immigrants. A better parallel would be Moses. A child sent alone to be spared from death, and eventually delivers his people (humanity). That's just my opinion.
it hard not to make comparisons between superman christ. Near death, parents sends send there infant son to grow in a far away land. He grows up and becomes a symbol and a force for good. Superman=Jesus, who is listening for guidance by his father, Jor El=God. I thought Marlon Brando was god so that works out.
And why is this scene better? Well Lester made the FOS all dark and disgusting symbolizing defeat in our hero, but what Donner did here is so much more powerful. We see the last son of Krypton standing over the one thing that allowed him to understand his birthright. He was symbolizing that even a God among men can destroy the one thing he holds dear. That is why the only dark pieces are surrounding him. Brilliant Directing Donner!
Screw Lester! This scene right here, is one of the major reasons I have left Lester's cut in the dust after seeing this vastly superior film.
Richard Donner, you were the rightful director of Superman II, and it was stolen from you. Even with your test footage inserted in places, your film will always be the rightful second chapter in the story of Superman due to superior acting, music, and scenes in general.
I can relate to superman's repowering scene. I broke my leg and I was rushed to the Emergency room and they put nine screws to put my leg back together.
My health coverage only paid part of it, and I was left with a huge medical bill.
Than when I eventually went back home my late grandad's gold pocket watch started ticking by itself for the first time since it broke.
And the pocket watch was worth $6,000 dollars. It was like my grandad was Jor el giving me another chance at life
Continued...Even though I felt powerless I felt my deceased grandfather was looking out for me from the grave. It was hard parting with the pocket watch, but the hospital demanded their money.
I had a dream that my grandfather said if I could hear him, I must use the pocket watch to get me out of my financial bind. Like Clark I felt bad, but my grandfather helped me one last time.
@UncleJimmy2008 Actually, the "Turning back time" was the original ending to the planned two-part Superman movies. But when it looked like they wouldn't have have enough money to finish both movies, the producers decided to put the "big" ending at the end of the first film. (Same thing happened with "Star Wars")
In my opinion, The scene in the Richard Lester Cut was way more darker and effective. However it was nice that they finally explained how he got his powers back. I just don't like how the late Christopher Reeve delivered the "FATHER" in this cut.
This is a wonderful scene, I'm glad they put it back in. I think in the original version this scene ended right after Clark holds up the green crystal and then it cuts away. Brando was cut because there was a fight between him and the director/producer and he wouldn't allow them to use the footage they had filmed. After Brando died they put the scene back in. It works so much better this way, it's a very touching scene.
@kataisa3 Actually it was a fight between Donner and the producers. He ended up getting fired and they brought in Lester. Lester refilmed almost the whole movie. A movie that Donner had filmed 80 % of it. But when Donner went so did Brando. And they gave Superman and the villians extra powers.
@DarPower1 If you dont like this cut or the scenes why are you here? if you are seeking some attention then buy a mirror and jibber into that. It's better for all.
@TrunksKPH bcause people insult a clearly better film and cant even prove why Donners was better. Its fucking annoying so im trying to get a valid answer, however i left you guys alone so....yeah go back to loving a version that makes no sense.
@TrunksKPH DarPower1 is a bit extreme with his view points but, I do agree that the Lester version is better. Not because donner couldn't have done a better job. But because Lester's version flows better because he had access to all of the actor that donner choose for the movie and could reshoot sense. Donner on the other hand had to work with vinage footage and recut everything. Not all theses worked pertfectly.(because some needed reshooting) But all in all I like where he was going with this
@nined5thclick His and anyone elses opinions on which cut is better or they prefer I respect completely. And I do agree about the overall flow of the film with Lester. It was the 'bit extreme' way the insults were flying around about anyone who seems to like this scene of the any part of Donner's work.
@TrunksKPH I agree. This seen is amazing! And i also so like the sene where Lowis jumps out of the window. And the intor sene with Jorl-el. (Awsome!!)
What a retard i mean the film sucks why dont tease critics that dont make films retard, if the film has a good story but sgitty screenplay moron it sucks, you are such a Donner cock sucker who hates lesters and ken thorne. Yep even when something is better you denied it, Donner ane Williams are
easy for to say from the comfortable chair you sit in, beter to have lived and loved than to never have loved at all. Leave if you do not enjoy it. All you seem to be here to do is say it is a let down and he did it poorly where you have no body of work whatsoever, where is your reputable body of work to prove your point? You suck not this film.
dude i hate this scene like they said the emotion is the most forced thing in cinematic history....i guarantee you if i saw this when i was younger we would have rolled our eyes at 0:45 i mean its so useless and i dont feel anything but a script
@racebannon86 Yeah, it was so much better in the Lester version when Clark stares at a green glow in the dark stick leaving the audience to wonder how the Hell he got his powers restored. Riiiiiiight. Marlon Brando and Chris Reeve's only on camera scene together was pure gold.
@ChanceRooney7 Well of course they had a fail-safe plan in the fortress of solitude, the hologram and crystal gave him his powers back using a huge amount of yellow solar energy
@racebannon86 I agree... I love Brando, and honestly the Krypton opening is my favorite part of the entire 1st movie. But this scene is straight up fuckin gay. 0:44 I would have laughed my 3 year old balls off as a kid. And don't get me started on 4:25... looks like someone is shoving a fat cock up Reeve's shithole.
The sun becomes the father the father becomes the sun. Truer words have never been spoken. As a man that is as close to his father as Gerell and Kallel this scene means so much to me and hurts a little every-time I see it.
@ZodvsSuperman when you are old and need people to change your diapers maybe then you will understand, till then keep rocking that Justin bieber music asshole.
@Zoroasterrrr You fucking retard, keep sucking Donners cock because after Superman 1 it seriously needed to retire, THANK THE LORD FOR LESTER, at least he took out useless scenes like this. And the crystal had power in it you fucking dumbass!
@DarPower1 look Dar if you want to bash the donner cut search for the superman vs lester battle, you'll be surrounded by people who actually like the film because it was good as oppose to people who like an alternate take because its Donner and not good...
@Zoroasterrrr chill he didnt harass anybody and Dar has a point....this cut was crappy and it made no scene, turning back time, the blank, lois jumping out the window i was seriously disappointed with this cut
@ZodvsSuperman The cut is not perfect(I'd liked to have seen the Clark bumping into the Bully getting out of the elevator which gives him the idea to go back to Don's Diner for example, but at least it was included in the deleted scenes area of the disc). The blank bullet's scene is screen test footage. Wish it had been completed. Kidder looked best in the Donner scenes.
@DarPower1 Two words: Brando and Kidder. No one can deny that Kidder's performance was the best in the Donner shot footage that was restored here. MARLON BRANDO...HELLO CONTINUITY. I'd waited a lifetime to see the lost Brando footage.
i mean Lara was useless, she didnt even need to be in Superman 1! The music is recycled, Superman is a jerk and reminds me of a stupid little kid who accidentally touched a pot that was hot and bitched about it. To make matters worse that fact that he rewinded time AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! means that its something he should have done when lois shot him with a stupid blank and WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THAT EVERY STUPID SCENE I SAW DOESNT EXIST HE JUST THREW IT BACK MAKING HUNDREDS OF PLOT HOLES ,DONNER!
i cannot explain why almost everybody who says Lester sucks is a retroFAIL. I mean donners was horrible the hell are you talking about, the emotion was forced and came from nowhere, Zod was so not scary as oppose to Lesters. Almost everything Superman said in Lesters could be a awesome quote. "Would you care to step out." "I expect better manners from my guest Zod." "I believe this is your floor." "Ill never let you down again." All that gone and replaced with CGI and stupid lines.
@ChanceRooney7 you can like this forced love plot if you want but you obviously only like the scene because its donner retroFAIL what importance did the donner scenes have anyways....none they suck!
Absolutely amazing! Probably one of the best moments in Superman, if not all cinematic, history. I love films and the relationships, and lack thereof, of Kal'el and his father is a major reason why.
I do not understand why a scene as important as this was cut out when it helps explain what Clark Kent did to actually get his powers back after realizing being an ordinary man was a strong target to danger. The version filmed by Richard Lester makes it look like he just suddenly had them back. I also hated how the scene at the end with Lex Luthor getting arrested was removed as well. The version that was actually done makes it look like he just surrendered to Superman and was never seen again.
Fuck you, Richard Lester... Fuck you Salkinds-producers and Pierce Spengler...You call Superman III good...You know it's only because of Dick Donner that Superman II was a sucsses...I was one of the very many fans who actually asked for Donners version...From that day this Donner cut was released, I always saw it as the original Superman II!!! The only badass scenes in that version was Lesters scenes...!!!
@talleyho12 Ok...How the f**k would you make the voice...He is ought to be an ordinary human in this scene...Maybe that's why he has such a "Terrible" voice...
@DoubleDVDStudio More specificley his toneality sounds like a bad actor would say these things like when he says "father no" . When brando says something its deep always.
@talleyho12 I think he made that line perfect...Becuase he is ought to have a very weak voice because he is propably freezing as shit and he is also ill....That's why he doesn't have have a deep, dark voice in this scene....
The green crystal held the sprits of Lara and Jor-El. They were not simply pre-recorded holograms or interactive artifical entites: they were the soul of his dead parents, albleit in holographic form.
I would say it's more like a pre-recorded hologram made after Jor-el knew that Krypton was going to explode and obviously before it exploded knowing he was going to send his son away so he recorded the messages in the crystals anticipating every possible question his son would have for his father. And Brando shot his scenes for Superman 1 & 2 in the same shooting schedule.
the most powerful piece of a super hero film, it is moving and most of all its real, did you ever imagine to see Superman so personally vulnerable, i cringe at the emotion
i can't say lester's cut was better or worse ... cause i grew up on that version not even knowing this stuff existed and i loved Sup II .... but man ... this is some POWERFUL filming here
I mean .... Brando! .... HOW do not just pay this guy what he wants to use him in the film ... it'll make the money back ... i promise! :)
I agree but Lester's cut had the best acting scene, the scene of the morning after Lois & Superman break up. Kidder is sensational in that scene, her heartbreak and pain just oozes off the screen. I can't think of another movie where I even cared when a couple broke up.
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adonison, please shut up. After all the hype over Donner's version it turns out to be INFERIOR to Lester's. "Care to step outside" that classic line is LESTER'S you idiot. And Lester didn't choose to edit out Brando, HE HAD NO CHOICE.
@adonisofthemodernage How is it Lesters fault they would not allow him to use Brando scenes? Lesters version is superb given what he had to work with. "Step outside" was a brilliant line, BY LESTER. Donner's "Freedom of the press" line was garbage.
@bbasher79 where do I begin... First things first, Brando hated Lester (aside from Warner Bros not wanting to pay Brando a millions) Gene Hackman quit because of Lester and they had to reshoot some of Hackman's scenes with a body double on long shots. 2.) Richard Lester gave us the dreaded CELLOPHANE S. Where in the fuck did he come up with "The Cellophane S?" Completely goofy.
@bbasher79 example 3.) when General Zod, Ursa and Non were using their superbreath to blow the people back on the streets, Lester added the goofy hair flying off, the roller skate guy. 4.) when Superman goes back to the Fortress of Solitude, Lester cuts this scene out and leaves a big whole in the story like how the flip did he really get his powers back. 5.) He cut Superman blowing up the Fortress of Solitude so we didn't see that little detail of him BLOWING UP HIS FREAKING HOME!
I agree, but you need to know that it wasn't up to Lester to cut this scene. The studio had contractual issues with all of the Marlon Brando footage. It wasn't Lester's fault. Although I agree that it's a crime this was cut. Easily one of the best scenes of all motion picture history.
@adonisofthemodernage THE DONNER CUT IS EMPIRE STRIKES BACK NO WAY HELL NO. Way too much pointless emotion and looses focus of Zod, i like this scene even though Jor El was jerky because kal el is stupid! in 1980 thousands would have said "HELL NO IM BORED WITH THIS SUB PLOT." Then at the end of the film they'd say. "WAIT WHY DID HE DESTROY HIS FORTRESS IF HE WAS JUST GOING TO REWIND TIME AGAIN.....WAIT A MINUTE......OH MY GOD EVERYTHING DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN I WASTED MY TIME!" I bet they would!
@adonisofthemodernage In the 2004 DVD version of "The Empire Strikes Back" there was Ian McDiarmid as Emperor Palpatine in the conversation scene between Darth Vader and the Emperor.
@adonisofthemodernage Agreed, I would of loved too of seen Donner's film/vision of II. Donner would of done away with all the extra Superpowers that Lester put in. Plus Donner would of had all of Brando's footage he shot in it. Producers dropped Brando because he was asking too much money. Also, all of Hackman's scenes were already shot for Superman II, so he wasn't involved in anymore filming for Lester. And they dropped John Williams score, in favor of someone else. Big mistake too.
No, actually it was the intended ending of the second film under Donner's direction. The first Superman, under his direction, was going to end on a cliffhanger and when production on Superman II was suspended to focus entirely on the first one, the used the time-reversal ending for it. The way the Richard Donner version of Superman II opens, with Superman throwing the bomb into space and the explosion shattering the Phantom Zone, was the intended ending of the first Superman under Donner.
Has anyone ever notice that I don't know maybe it's me that Marlon Brando & Terrence Stamp look like each other. Cause I saw Terrence Stamp In Yes Man. He was Terrence Bundley who was the leader of the program & he does the voice of Jor-El In Smallville.
this scene alone is why I like Donner's version over Lester's, for those complaining about the ending of Donner's, remember it was going to be that way all along had the producers not been so concerned about money and had the ending moved to Superman 1. The Brando stuff makes this movie better, as it gives it a better companionship to Superman 1. Lester was just the Salko's lapdog who used what he could of Donner's work.
@gphhawkins, okay. There's no need to call me an 'idiot' because of this, man. ...thanks for the info...
tentimetex 1 month ago
@DoctorWho176 okay, thanks DoctorWho176! i didnt know that.
tentimetex 1 month ago
Although, the other version of this scene is better. More subtle (at least until he shouts 'FATHAAAAAH')
Zebonka 2 months ago
I'm glad Brando died and they could use this.
Zebonka 2 months ago
Hope The reboot series will be like this era but with more improved effects/graphics.
This is the best film series of superman!
Brandon routh is shit!!!
Christopher Reeve & Tom Welling remain the best Superman Era's Ever!!!
UltimateTARDIS 3 months ago
Why would Supermans father have an 'S' logo on his chest? on Krypton he is Kal-El, his Father Jor-El. Superman is a nickname he has on Earth. Why th 'S' logo? was he called Superman on krypton too? its just dum, the writers didnt think this through enough.
tentimetex 3 months ago 2
@tentimetex It just worked out this way. The "S" appearance of the family coat of arms, on Krypton, is not an actual S, as it is on Earth. It appears more as a Serpent, which according to many ancient myths, (Mayan, Egyptian, Jewish, African, Etc.), was the bringer of knowledge to mankind.
DoctorWho176 3 months ago
@tentimetex no your just an idiot. the 'S' is his families insigna, birthright, meaning "El" like what some historical figures have had or even what we use as logos
gphhawkins 1 month ago
@tentimetex
First of all, it didn't originate with this movie, so don't blame them. It's original to the entire Superman comic.
Second, while we all know it looks like an S and creatively it is obviously intended to be so, it is described as being the "El family crest", which only resembles the letter S by coincidence. Sounds silly, but so is everything else about a flying superhero.
So, there's your answer.
TheJediCharles 1 month ago
search itunes for 'Joe-Els Wisdom' - The only Soundboard app for JOR EL!!!!
3finsurf 3 months ago
When I'm in doubt, I come to this.
technologic21 3 months ago 3
jor el why does god need a star ship
morebeerful 4 months ago
I love a lot of the Donner Footage. I grew up seeing it and wishing it was back in the movie. But I'm just not a fan of this. Much to wordy and over dramatic. Chris Reeve performance is not as good as it is in the actual 80' film.
Mabie if Donner finished this scene ( proper ) it would be. I'm sure he would have changed some things. But all we have is this early ( rough ) footage.
jayce79 4 months ago
Lester was an asshole, completely ruined the tone of the franchise..just like shumacher did to batman
princehaithem 4 months ago
this scene is one of the reasons why RD cut is much better in quality and emotion than lester...if RD would finish the movie, we might had get the best sequel in film story...thanks salkind and lester for screw it up
gabo0576 4 months ago
Ham and cheese
spangleJ 5 months ago
Zack Snyder has to work with two main samples: the dilogy of Richard Donner, and the Batman-trilogy of Chris Nolan. Two great directors.
qwuezalothus 5 months ago 2
Search 'Jor els Wisdom' on iTunes for the Superman Soundboard App. Featuring Marlon Brando!!
3finsurf 5 months ago
Well guess what its not Brando it's Todd Woodcroft insted. I thought it was Brandeo to never really thought about it. But the wife pointed it out to me.
docicenogle 6 months ago
FATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Suddenly: The IT Crowd flashback.
salamirterra 6 months ago
JOR EL- dont come crying to me.
Your head hard as a rock. I told you not to do it but you did it anyway.
veeseee128 6 months ago
i seroiusly hope zac snyder has seen this scene and has some of this type of emotion in the man of steel this is stirring stuff and the reason i love superman the father son stuff is fantastic. It pulls both superman 1 and 2 together
wayne3078 6 months ago
I love how they made this scene emotional, should have bin in the original version
sweepybum 6 months ago
Happy Fathers Day xxx
burrows1978 7 months ago
did I just heard Jor El say the circle is complete? is it always like that with father son situations as in Star Wars
chichiboypumpi 7 months ago
kinda makes one imagine How was it when the Great El with Y'shua
chichiboypumpi 7 months ago
God Christopher Reeve is so vulnerable in this scene. A truly great actor.
level22productions 7 months ago 2
Wow... Just... Wow!
aim1221 7 months ago
Awwwww!
Clark losing his father forever was so sad!
Chris & marlon was so emotinal in this scene!
R.I.P Clark & Jor-El!!
TheUltimateTARDIS 8 months ago
@TheUltimateTARDIS I'm sure your grandpa is a good man. Thanks for sharing and feeling the same. Be brave, just like Superman. We shall not let our love ones down for the hopes and love they have for us.
revboy75 8 months ago
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3:40 - 4:32 Is the Creation of Adam, Vader dying for Luke, 'kinda' Mufasa saving Simba, etc. Also says no to Superman Returns.
027220 8 months ago
OMG
angel56277 8 months ago
I have always love this scene, becoz it is so touching. I miss my Father...i can no longer see him nor hear him again.......i cried for him when i fail in life.
revboy75 8 months ago 3
I know how you feel, I lost My Grandfather to a hear attack 4 yrs ago!
TheUltimateTARDIS 8 months ago
This was a cool scene, it should have been included in the Superman II. What a pity...
cjcheri 9 months ago
so fucking epic, Marlon Brando is God
videogamer568 9 months ago
People like to think superman is Jesus, but forget that the character was made by sons of Jewish immigrants. A better parallel would be Moses. A child sent alone to be spared from death, and eventually delivers his people (humanity). That's just my opinion.
arabianknight86 9 months ago
@arabianknight86 Jesus was Jewish and therefore also the son of Jews.
CapitanJusticia 8 months ago
it hard not to make comparisons between superman christ. Near death, parents sends send there infant son to grow in a far away land. He grows up and becomes a symbol and a force for good. Superman=Jesus, who is listening for guidance by his father, Jor El=God. I thought Marlon Brando was god so that works out.
checkeredflag90210 9 months ago
i love the music in this one
rubioproductions 9 months ago
Father No!
rawfusion45m 9 months ago
The best scene ever
dgracia72 9 months ago
And why is this scene better? Well Lester made the FOS all dark and disgusting symbolizing defeat in our hero, but what Donner did here is so much more powerful. We see the last son of Krypton standing over the one thing that allowed him to understand his birthright. He was symbolizing that even a God among men can destroy the one thing he holds dear. That is why the only dark pieces are surrounding him. Brilliant Directing Donner!
Fuzzyfoot88 9 months ago
Screw Lester! This scene right here, is one of the major reasons I have left Lester's cut in the dust after seeing this vastly superior film.
Richard Donner, you were the rightful director of Superman II, and it was stolen from you. Even with your test footage inserted in places, your film will always be the rightful second chapter in the story of Superman due to superior acting, music, and scenes in general.
Fuzzyfoot88 9 months ago
beautiful scene fuck lester
shareschannel 10 months ago
So much win. So godamn much win.
GambitFox79 10 months ago
Jor-el is Yoda.
technologic21 10 months ago
When Marlin Brando speaks as Jor-El, you hear the voice of God.
ReviewForReel 11 months ago 50
@ReviewForReel i agree with this comment and i dont even believe in god
gphhawkins 1 month ago
the circle is complete, i love that line
mrrtsno 11 months ago
@mrrtsno
I can relate to superman's repowering scene. I broke my leg and I was rushed to the Emergency room and they put nine screws to put my leg back together.
My health coverage only paid part of it, and I was left with a huge medical bill.
Than when I eventually went back home my late grandad's gold pocket watch started ticking by itself for the first time since it broke.
And the pocket watch was worth $6,000 dollars. It was like my grandad was Jor el giving me another chance at life
pluto4847 10 months ago
@mrrtsno
Continued...Even though I felt powerless I felt my deceased grandfather was looking out for me from the grave. It was hard parting with the pocket watch, but the hospital demanded their money.
I had a dream that my grandfather said if I could hear him, I must use the pocket watch to get me out of my financial bind. Like Clark I felt bad, but my grandfather helped me one last time.
pluto4847 10 months ago
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027220 1 year ago
The ending in the Donner cut is ridiculous. Turning back time again? Puh-leez.
UncleJimmy2008 1 year ago
@UncleJimmy2008 Actually, the "Turning back time" was the original ending to the planned two-part Superman movies. But when it looked like they wouldn't have have enough money to finish both movies, the producers decided to put the "big" ending at the end of the first film. (Same thing happened with "Star Wars")
jrvenice1999 1 year ago
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optiMITCHprime 1 year ago
@UncleJimmy2008 It was human.
027220 8 months ago
In my opinion, The scene in the Richard Lester Cut was way more darker and effective. However it was nice that they finally explained how he got his powers back. I just don't like how the late Christopher Reeve delivered the "FATHER" in this cut.
sfighter991 1 year ago
The Last Son of Krypton returns.
CaptKundalini 1 year ago
i scrolled down to look at the comments, now sounds like im listening to will ferrell.
thefoilerlives 1 year ago
This is a wonderful scene, I'm glad they put it back in. I think in the original version this scene ended right after Clark holds up the green crystal and then it cuts away. Brando was cut because there was a fight between him and the director/producer and he wouldn't allow them to use the footage they had filmed. After Brando died they put the scene back in. It works so much better this way, it's a very touching scene.
kataisa3 1 year ago 30
@kataisa3 why did he fight?
Trinitus231 9 months ago
@kataisa3 Actually it was a fight between Donner and the producers. He ended up getting fired and they brought in Lester. Lester refilmed almost the whole movie. A movie that Donner had filmed 80 % of it. But when Donner went so did Brando. And they gave Superman and the villians extra powers.
hulkster46a 5 months ago
shit myself at 0:45 (had the volume up rly loud for no apparent reason!
greenstreetelite456 1 year ago
wow!!
edualym 1 year ago
What exactly happened with Superman2 cut?...
TK2008BEST 1 year ago
I'm speechless.......
GeorgiaKev 1 year ago
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UncleJimmy2008 1 year ago
"Richard Lester's version is the biggest crime in cinematic history since Greedo shot first."
Brando wanted to get paid. What can you do sometimes?
UncleJimmy2008 1 year ago
i mean say it Dar, YOU ALL ARE ASS DRINKERS, ITS FUCKED THANK GOD FOR DONNER BEING BOOTED AN DTH
racebannon86 1 year ago
@racebannon86 Thank you
DarPower1 1 year ago
@DarPower1 If you dont like this cut or the scenes why are you here? if you are seeking some attention then buy a mirror and jibber into that. It's better for all.
TrunksKPH 1 year ago
@TrunksKPH bcause people insult a clearly better film and cant even prove why Donners was better. Its fucking annoying so im trying to get a valid answer, however i left you guys alone so....yeah go back to loving a version that makes no sense.
DarPower1 1 year ago
@TrunksKPH DarPower1 is a bit extreme with his view points but, I do agree that the Lester version is better. Not because donner couldn't have done a better job. But because Lester's version flows better because he had access to all of the actor that donner choose for the movie and could reshoot sense. Donner on the other hand had to work with vinage footage and recut everything. Not all theses worked pertfectly.(because some needed reshooting) But all in all I like where he was going with this
nined5thclick 1 year ago
@nined5thclick His and anyone elses opinions on which cut is better or they prefer I respect completely. And I do agree about the overall flow of the film with Lester. It was the 'bit extreme' way the insults were flying around about anyone who seems to like this scene of the any part of Donner's work.
TrunksKPH 1 year ago
@TrunksKPH I agree. This seen is great! And so is the sene where Lowis jumps out of the window.
nined5thclick 1 year ago
@TrunksKPH I agree. This seen is amazing! And i also so like the sene where Lowis jumps out of the window. And the intor sene with Jorl-el. (Awsome!!)
nined5thclick 1 year ago
THIS VERSION FUCKS, YOU FANS SUCKS, i mean really Dar t
racebannon86 1 year ago
Great but honestly Lester and Ken were better thats why Superman 1 made lessmoney than Superman 2
DarPower1 1 year ago
What a retard i mean the film sucks why dont tease critics that dont make films retard, if the film has a good story but sgitty screenplay moron it sucks, you are such a Donner cock sucker who hates lesters and ken thorne. Yep even when something is better you denied it, Donner ane Williams are
DarPower1 1 year ago
easy for to say from the comfortable chair you sit in, beter to have lived and loved than to never have loved at all. Leave if you do not enjoy it. All you seem to be here to do is say it is a let down and he did it poorly where you have no body of work whatsoever, where is your reputable body of work to prove your point? You suck not this film.
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
dude i hate this scene like they said the emotion is the most forced thing in cinematic history....i guarantee you if i saw this when i was younger we would have rolled our eyes at 0:45 i mean its so useless and i dont feel anything but a script
racebannon86 1 year ago
@racebannon86 Yeah, it was so much better in the Lester version when Clark stares at a green glow in the dark stick leaving the audience to wonder how the Hell he got his powers restored. Riiiiiiight. Marlon Brando and Chris Reeve's only on camera scene together was pure gold.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
@ChanceRooney7 um the crystal gave him his powers
DarPower1 1 year ago
@ChanceRooney7 Well of course they had a fail-safe plan in the fortress of solitude, the hologram and crystal gave him his powers back using a huge amount of yellow solar energy
historyfreakfroman 1 year ago
@racebannon86 I agree... I love Brando, and honestly the Krypton opening is my favorite part of the entire 1st movie. But this scene is straight up fuckin gay. 0:44 I would have laughed my 3 year old balls off as a kid. And don't get me started on 4:25... looks like someone is shoving a fat cock up Reeve's shithole.
Fuck this footage. It sucks fucking dick.
YouGotJEWD 2 months ago
i mean vs zod
ZodvsSuperman 1 year ago
its more than obvious that something happened to donner that made his movie skills like Lucas and the prequels because i was seriously un impressed
ZodvsSuperman 1 year ago
The sun becomes the father the father becomes the sun. Truer words have never been spoken. As a man that is as close to his father as Gerell and Kallel this scene means so much to me and hurts a little every-time I see it.
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr the father becomes the son...doesnt make scene but its nice
ZodvsSuperman 1 year ago
@ZodvsSuperman You and all like you are fucking tools.....
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
@ZodvsSuperman when you are old and need people to change your diapers maybe then you will understand, till then keep rocking that Justin bieber music asshole.
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr that doesnt make sense, but the point is Donners was a serious let down
DarPower1 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr You fucking retard, keep sucking Donners cock because after Superman 1 it seriously needed to retire, THANK THE LORD FOR LESTER, at least he took out useless scenes like this. And the crystal had power in it you fucking dumbass!
DarPower1 1 year ago
i love donner but its more a deleted scenes montage and 'what if' cut cause this doesnt even look like superman!
DarPower1 1 year ago
@DarPower1 You are an idiot.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
@ChanceRooney7 matter of fact i want somebody like you to explain why its a better cut please explain
DarPower1 1 year ago
@DarPower1 time is not something one should waste especially on you.
Zoroasterrrr 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr wow ok that was lame but if you want to be a retrofail and only like this cut because it had Deleted scenes then by all means
DarPower1 1 year ago
@DarPower1 look Dar if you want to bash the donner cut search for the superman vs lester battle, you'll be surrounded by people who actually like the film because it was good as oppose to people who like an alternate take because its Donner and not good...
ZodvsSuperman 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr thats sounds like the come back of somebody who doesnt even know why they like the cut aside from the fact that donner is involved
DarPower1 1 year ago
@Zoroasterrrr chill he didnt harass anybody and Dar has a point....this cut was crappy and it made no scene, turning back time, the blank, lois jumping out the window i was seriously disappointed with this cut
ZodvsSuperman 1 year ago
@ZodvsSuperman The cut is not perfect(I'd liked to have seen the Clark bumping into the Bully getting out of the elevator which gives him the idea to go back to Don's Diner for example, but at least it was included in the deleted scenes area of the disc). The blank bullet's scene is screen test footage. Wish it had been completed. Kidder looked best in the Donner scenes.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
@DarPower1 Two words: Brando and Kidder. No one can deny that Kidder's performance was the best in the Donner shot footage that was restored here. MARLON BRANDO...HELLO CONTINUITY. I'd waited a lifetime to see the lost Brando footage.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
@ChanceRooney7 I can she jumped out and window and shot him with a blank i rolled my eyes so many times at this film
DarPower1 1 year ago
i mean Lara was useless, she didnt even need to be in Superman 1! The music is recycled, Superman is a jerk and reminds me of a stupid little kid who accidentally touched a pot that was hot and bitched about it. To make matters worse that fact that he rewinded time AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! means that its something he should have done when lois shot him with a stupid blank and WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THAT EVERY STUPID SCENE I SAW DOESNT EXIST HE JUST THREW IT BACK MAKING HUNDREDS OF PLOT HOLES ,DONNER!
DarPower1 1 year ago
i cannot explain why almost everybody who says Lester sucks is a retroFAIL. I mean donners was horrible the hell are you talking about, the emotion was forced and came from nowhere, Zod was so not scary as oppose to Lesters. Almost everything Superman said in Lesters could be a awesome quote. "Would you care to step out." "I expect better manners from my guest Zod." "I believe this is your floor." "Ill never let you down again." All that gone and replaced with CGI and stupid lines.
DarPower1 1 year ago
@DarPower1 You are a MORON. Grow a brain and a heart.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
@ChanceRooney7 you can like this forced love plot if you want but you obviously only like the scene because its donner retroFAIL what importance did the donner scenes have anyways....none they suck!
DarPower1 1 year ago
Absolutely amazing! Probably one of the best moments in Superman, if not all cinematic, history. I love films and the relationships, and lack thereof, of Kal'el and his father is a major reason why.
xghstryderx 1 year ago
I LOVE SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE AND SUPERMAN II
MrDavidFILM 1 year ago
I do not understand why a scene as important as this was cut out when it helps explain what Clark Kent did to actually get his powers back after realizing being an ordinary man was a strong target to danger. The version filmed by Richard Lester makes it look like he just suddenly had them back. I also hated how the scene at the end with Lex Luthor getting arrested was removed as well. The version that was actually done makes it look like he just surrendered to Superman and was never seen again.
JLC31383 1 year ago
I don't even remember this part, really nice.
jursee33 1 year ago
Fuck you, Richard Lester... Fuck you Salkinds-producers and Pierce Spengler...You call Superman III good...You know it's only because of Dick Donner that Superman II was a sucsses...I was one of the very many fans who actually asked for Donners version...From that day this Donner cut was released, I always saw it as the original Superman II!!! The only badass scenes in that version was Lesters scenes...!!!
DoubleDVDStudio 1 year ago
Like the best father and son scene ever along with Star Wars Episode V!!!
DoubleDVDStudio 1 year ago
Reeves acting is good but his voice acting is terrible i think.
talleyho12 1 year ago
@talleyho12 Ok...How the f**k would you make the voice...He is ought to be an ordinary human in this scene...Maybe that's why he has such a "Terrible" voice...
DoubleDVDStudio 1 year ago
@DoubleDVDStudio More specificley his toneality sounds like a bad actor would say these things like when he says "father no" . When brando says something its deep always.
talleyho12 1 year ago
@talleyho12 I think he made that line perfect...Becuase he is ought to have a very weak voice because he is propably freezing as shit and he is also ill....That's why he doesn't have have a deep, dark voice in this scene....
DoubleDVDStudio 1 year ago
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@DoubleDVDStudio i did not consider that.
talleyho12 1 year ago
I Agree with you!
He Can't talk deep when he is freezeing cold!
talleyho12 thinking he is a bad actor!
he was the best superman of all time!
UltimateTARDIS 8 months ago
amazing.
i cried n thought of my dad, god i hope hes ok. :'(
MouseLicentia 1 year ago
4:16 jizz in my pants
victoradame12 1 year ago
Hey father wut
TheKryptoniankid 1 year ago
Hey father wuts up?
TheKryptoniankid 1 year ago
wow seeing this scene almost made me feel ike i was watchin smallville
nw08 1 year ago
the donner cut, much better, even the scene when clark has to reveal who he really is.
77EVERTONFC 1 year ago
The green crystal held the sprits of Lara and Jor-El. They were not simply pre-recorded holograms or interactive artifical entites: they were the soul of his dead parents, albleit in holographic form.
TheYoung450 1 year ago
I don't think kryptonite would have afected him in thr 'Human" state..
KingsleyEnnis1 1 year ago
This scene is so emotional they really should have put it in the movie.
MichaelSunny 1 year ago
very like matt bery in the it crowd ! father !
oshman4 1 year ago
Ohh. Jor-el was a ghost thingy. I thought he was just a holocram. I also thought that Marlon Brando wouldn't do sequels.
luutnantti111 2 years ago
I would say it's more like a pre-recorded hologram made after Jor-el knew that Krypton was going to explode and obviously before it exploded knowing he was going to send his son away so he recorded the messages in the crystals anticipating every possible question his son would have for his father. And Brando shot his scenes for Superman 1 & 2 in the same shooting schedule.
casanoc 2 years ago
What about that "Giving all my energy left within me" and "Farewell FOREVER" I kinda like the Idea that he was a ghost thingy in the crystal :D
luutnantti111 2 years ago
the most powerful piece of a super hero film, it is moving and most of all its real, did you ever imagine to see Superman so personally vulnerable, i cringe at the emotion
LONG LIVE DC LONG LIVE SUPERMAN
the greatest comic hero EVER!!!
1980Triumph 2 years ago 18
I like this clip a lot!
Fergy909 2 years ago
i can't say lester's cut was better or worse ... cause i grew up on that version not even knowing this stuff existed and i loved Sup II .... but man ... this is some POWERFUL filming here
I mean .... Brando! .... HOW do not just pay this guy what he wants to use him in the film ... it'll make the money back ... i promise! :)
joeylodes 2 years ago 2
I agree but Lester's cut had the best acting scene, the scene of the morning after Lois & Superman break up. Kidder is sensational in that scene, her heartbreak and pain just oozes off the screen. I can't think of another movie where I even cared when a couple broke up.
casanoc 2 years ago
amazing work
davidaud777 2 years ago
Richard Lester's version is the biggest crime in cinematic history since Greedo shot first.
Denying the public so many years of vintage Brando...
He's so Brando!!!
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The Donner cut is Empire Strikes Back good. 4 stars.
adonisofthemodernage 2 years ago 19
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adonison, please shut up. After all the hype over Donner's version it turns out to be INFERIOR to Lester's. "Care to step outside" that classic line is LESTER'S you idiot. And Lester didn't choose to edit out Brando, HE HAD NO CHOICE.
WeTrustChrist 2 years ago
Blow me, Roger Ebert! Richard Lester is a big a joke as your movie info. He turned a serious plot into his campy vision.
Ands no one has heard from him.
So Trust in Adonis. If Lester was so fuckin great you moron they wouldn't have had a 20 year campaign to change his crap...
adonisofthemodernage 2 years ago 2
I think most of the anti-Lester feeling comes from Superman 3 and rightly so.
Spiffy789 2 years ago
agreed!
Empire Strikes Back good is a perfect phrase for this!
joeylodes 2 years ago
Yeah...Richard Lester just stoled Richard Donners movie like that!!!
MarioMovieProduction 2 years ago
@adonisofthemodernage How is it Lesters fault they would not allow him to use Brando scenes? Lesters version is superb given what he had to work with. "Step outside" was a brilliant line, BY LESTER. Donner's "Freedom of the press" line was garbage.
bbasher79 1 year ago
@bbasher79 where do I begin... First things first, Brando hated Lester (aside from Warner Bros not wanting to pay Brando a millions) Gene Hackman quit because of Lester and they had to reshoot some of Hackman's scenes with a body double on long shots. 2.) Richard Lester gave us the dreaded CELLOPHANE S. Where in the fuck did he come up with "The Cellophane S?" Completely goofy.
adonisofthemodernage 1 year ago
@bbasher79 example 3.) when General Zod, Ursa and Non were using their superbreath to blow the people back on the streets, Lester added the goofy hair flying off, the roller skate guy. 4.) when Superman goes back to the Fortress of Solitude, Lester cuts this scene out and leaves a big whole in the story like how the flip did he really get his powers back. 5.) He cut Superman blowing up the Fortress of Solitude so we didn't see that little detail of him BLOWING UP HIS FREAKING HOME!
adonisofthemodernage 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage
I agree, but you need to know that it wasn't up to Lester to cut this scene. The studio had contractual issues with all of the Marlon Brando footage. It wasn't Lester's fault. Although I agree that it's a crime this was cut. Easily one of the best scenes of all motion picture history.
kingdisney 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage Yes...This can be copared with the "I'm your father" scene in Empire Strikes Back!!!!
DoubleDVDStudio 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage THE DONNER CUT IS EMPIRE STRIKES BACK NO WAY HELL NO. Way too much pointless emotion and looses focus of Zod, i like this scene even though Jor El was jerky because kal el is stupid! in 1980 thousands would have said "HELL NO IM BORED WITH THIS SUB PLOT." Then at the end of the film they'd say. "WAIT WHY DID HE DESTROY HIS FORTRESS IF HE WAS JUST GOING TO REWIND TIME AGAIN.....WAIT A MINUTE......OH MY GOD EVERYTHING DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN I WASTED MY TIME!" I bet they would!
DarPower1 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage In the 2004 DVD version of "The Empire Strikes Back" there was Ian McDiarmid as Emperor Palpatine in the conversation scene between Darth Vader and the Emperor.
aigomar 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage Agreed, I would of loved too of seen Donner's film/vision of II. Donner would of done away with all the extra Superpowers that Lester put in. Plus Donner would of had all of Brando's footage he shot in it. Producers dropped Brando because he was asking too much money. Also, all of Hackman's scenes were already shot for Superman II, so he wasn't involved in anymore filming for Lester. And they dropped John Williams score, in favor of someone else. Big mistake too.
hulkster46a 1 year ago
@adonisofthemodernage Completely in agreement on all counts, I can only imagine what it would've been like if Donner had been able to complete it.
sissygamache 1 year ago
Stellllllaaaaaa!!!
ericinwisconsin 2 years ago
i'm gobsmacked, had no idea this had been cut...and Superman 2 is my favourite of all time !
this clip is definatly better
nudgexs 2 years ago
Donners's cut is definetly superior. They should have let him finish this 25+ years ago.
GESSO217 2 years ago 3
Legend!!!!!!!!!
mickfriday 2 years ago
No, actually it was the intended ending of the second film under Donner's direction. The first Superman, under his direction, was going to end on a cliffhanger and when production on Superman II was suspended to focus entirely on the first one, the used the time-reversal ending for it. The way the Richard Donner version of Superman II opens, with Superman throwing the bomb into space and the explosion shattering the Phantom Zone, was the intended ending of the first Superman under Donner.
JRserver 2 years ago
Actually, he would be, because Jor-El would have been ressurected and the Fortress of Solitude rebuilt when Superman reversed time at the end
JRserver 2 years ago
Rest In Peace, Mr. Reeve. Superman you will always be.
JRserver 2 years ago 4
he never did anything like that for poor Fredo
ytownteddy 2 years ago
I saw superman in 78 I don't know why they cut this scene out, this is much better then orignal...
jason75 2 years ago
remember me el al...ka el....ralph, whatever your name maybe.
QuietGiantProduction 2 years ago 2
Has anyone ever notice that I don't know maybe it's me that Marlon Brando & Terrence Stamp look like each other. Cause I saw Terrence Stamp In Yes Man. He was Terrence Bundley who was the leader of the program & he does the voice of Jor-El In Smallville.
Krypton853 3 years ago
Terrence Stamp was also the General Zod in this movie!
ScottlovestheLord 2 years ago
"The circle is now complete." Hmm, now what other film did we hear that in? :)
I just got the Donner cut. It is phenomenal. Get it. Now.
beatlejuice72 3 years ago 3
Such a great director's cut thought long lost. I completely agree.
SSJ2VEGEROTRULES 3 years ago
@beatlejuice72 Mario Puzo wrote that long before "Star Wars" was released.
ChanceRooney7 1 year ago
It's the GODFATHER!!!
1966Zodiac 3 years ago 2
I am sooo getting the Donner Cut!
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
Got to give Marlon Brando credit. Anyone would have thought he was a genuine Englishman here. Not only a great actor, but a great man.
Visonu 3 years ago
Reeve Rules!
SeanMaccaUK 3 years ago 4
That was friggin' cool!
sweetpetebrown 3 years ago 3
this scene alone is why I like Donner's version over Lester's, for those complaining about the ending of Donner's, remember it was going to be that way all along had the producers not been so concerned about money and had the ending moved to Superman 1. The Brando stuff makes this movie better, as it gives it a better companionship to Superman 1. Lester was just the Salko's lapdog who used what he could of Donner's work.
KroniKKidZ28 3 years ago 5
if this was cononical, there wouldn't even be a Fortress of Solitude
KroniKKidZ28 3 years ago
cool i never saw this scene before, superman 1 and 2 are the best superhero movies EVER
torontoismine 3 years ago 4