I am a Christian and I respect Hitchen's right to not believe. Aside from that, I think he is a brilliant historian and orator. Please be tolerant of those who have belief that may not agree with you.Hate breeds more hate.
Theists love to twist and fuck with the words of God. In the end, it's all bullshit. Thre is NO GOD. It's a creation made to indoctrinate the sheeple. And it worked. Yay, Illuminati. Now they need 3-4 billion people to die...guess what Theists...step up, you useless wastes of fucking skin.
This just shows that leftists can be just as crazy as those on the right. Not that I agreed with Christopher Hitchens about everything, but he was certainly right here (and most of the time, I'd say).
yup, should have left the iraqis to be brutalized and murdered under the saddam regime....right?
and strangely, the armed forces in iraq were fighting insurgents and those who would deny freedom to the iraqi people - so the 7/7 fucktards were quite evidently supporters of brutal terrorists and fundamentalists - it would have been only a matter of time before they found a reason to kill innocent civilians
They are both right. They hate us because we give women rights and because we occupy the ME. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If it's us or them I choose us, but to pretend we are innocent victims is to ignore logic, reason, and factual evidence. You'd think Hitchens would be against that.
Dear Hitch, I've never wished more that there was an afterlife than i do now. The thought of seeing you kick god's ass for all eternity is just too sweet. Alas, we've rounded the corner of reason and put that fantasy down. But your cause is immortal. You stood for reason, clarity and speaking truth to power. It is now up to us to live up to your challenge.
You live on among the brightest, the critical, the most thoughtful of us all, Hitch. Long may you live
Hitchens has a point, but he still hasn't shown that western imperialism plays no part in radical islamic anti-western rhetoric. I don't think it can be denied that ending the colonial policies of the U.S. would drastically reduce the perceived "terrorist threat."
@ArmorDinnerJacket Attempting to sabotage foreign governments with anti-westetrn ideals such as Cuba, Russia, Iran, Vietnam, etc. Military bases in over 127 countries. Perpetual war with underdeveloped countries in the name of "The American Way."
In the end.... Hitchens never seem to have answered the gentleman's fundamental question.... not even eloquence can hide the facts....sorry hitchens....
@daarkmatter are you kidding me? He clearly answered his question and refuted it. The man claimed that it was the US/western imperialism that caused jihad and Hitch demonstrated why the premise of the question isn't sound or valid. He then went on to give examples of why it isn't as the questioner phrased it, that it is our fault for the attacks.
@daarkmatter Actually, he did. The masochistic hippy at the beginning asserted that the West was essentially responsible for 9/11 and the like. Hitchens responded by saying that certain Western leaders have been responsible for shady things in the 3rd world and elsewhere and should be held accountable, but the West as a whole and our values are what's under attack by Muslim extremist thugs, and that even without fucking with them, Islamatards would still hate the west and attack it.
According to the formerly classified Iraq war logs released by WikiLeaks, approximately 109,032 people died in Iraq between January 2004 and December 2009.
@leopoldmarsh "109,032 people died in Iraq between January 2004 and December 2009." LMAO you failed those arent civilian numbers dumbass they are the death tolls of extremists of the Shia and other sects and groups in Iraq. LOL you fail.
"1.6 million internally displaced person (refugees, not deaths) in Iraq"
Displaced??????? The number for people displaced is over 10 million buddy??? Stop lying
You are a nationalistic american dog who cant comprehend the fact that his country is evil.
Wow. That's it, man. You lose. I've disproved your death toll, and yet you keep on mouthing off like brainwashed zealot who is absolutely sure that his b.s. is factual.
Actually, the figure of 109,032 deaths includes both civilian and military deaths. I'd link you to the article and the proof from WikiLeaks, but I know you're not going to bother reading it.
Honestly, I'm starting to think you're a troll. There's no way you can be this stupid. There really isn't.
@leopoldmarsh god you fail so much. STOP Defending America for its crime. ITs as simple as that. Man if youtube was around after the vietnamese war you would deny the Americans killing over 2 million vietnamese. This is exactly whats happening and yet you seem to deny this. I told you 109,032 deaths is not accounted for civilians dumb ass, it was Shia extremists and other factions trying to get control of provinces in Iraq, Iraq a country America made unstable.
@leopoldmarsh "109,032 is the total number of deaths in all."
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Reallly. Saying that 109,032 Iraqis died in total is like saying that number but applying it to the vietnamese war. Do you understand how stupid your comments are. FYI that number is for the dead shia extremists and other rebel factions vying for control of Iraqi provinces. Dumbass. I suggest you backdown because you dont know shit about the Iraqi war. Proof the proof is here on youtube and the internet.
You say the proof is on the Internet. Well, stop being an evasive pussy and show it to me. Send me a link, to a website, video, something telling me that 1.6 million people died in Iraq. Put your money where your mouth is.
You won't send me a link. You won't redirect me to a website proving that crap you've been trying to spoon-feed me.
You know why? Because you have nothing to show me. You're a congenital liar, and a delusional one at that. I suggest you (first and foremost) take a class on reading comprehension. Secondly, I suggest you stop making up b.s. and find me cold, hard facts.
@leopoldmarsh do actually think if i show you a link to some newscorporation or government website that they will actually say 1.6 million Iraqis died. They are hiding it but nearly everyone in the world knows that America fucked and destroyed Iraq with the deaths of over 1.6 million Iraqis. I mean hello this was a war. Not a skirmish dumbass. And America is known for targeting civilians. Why dont you use youtube.
@leopoldmarsh ok i will send you a PM of a Iraqi vet that intentional killed civilians as ordered by his superiors. 1.6 million iraqi civilians died because of US soldiers inability to not care or have heart. You treat them like rats. Here it is..... Ok so i sent you two videos from my favorites list. It tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth you nationalistic piece of shit. Take that sea shell of yours and shove it in your ass. Maybe then you will come to some sense.
@leopoldmarsh dumbass i asked you if you wanted these videos about 5 days ago but you still continued to over post nonsense and defend America the Empire of Evil. I also put the two videos on top of my favorites your dumbass can see it again. Shhhhhhesh. How nationalistic you are??? You enjoying hwo your country kills civilians because of the deaths of 3000 AmeriCUNTS perpetrated by your own government. America will Burn you nationalistic sheep dog.
@leopoldmarsh dumbass they say that Americans KILLED FUCKING CIVILIANS. You really think the murder of civilians in the US forces is rare??? wrong. What source do you want??? Some corrupted news corp who give bs propaganda or something commissioned by your corrupt government. It is a unoffical but true that 1.6 million Iraqis have perished. And those videos proved hundreds of thousands of civilians perished you ameriCUNT.
@leopoldmarsh loook how you change the topic?? Muslims kill muslims more than Americans??? FUCKING LOL realize how stupid you are. Those so-called muslims are puppets to America dumb bitch. My videos proved that many civilians perished in Iraq nearly that of Vietnam. You AmeriCUNT faggot. Shit you this dumb. You see how your nation operates. Huh you fucking see. You have a evil nation of killers with your SO-CALLED DEMOCRACY. Fuck AMerica and its terrorist acts.
@leopoldmarsh no the reason i hate America is for its corrupted imperialistic government and its sheeps ie. You. I told you my sources. Its right here on youtube. I have given the vids which shows AMERICUNTS KILLING INNOCENT IRAQIS. This killings are not rare but common, and if you realize you nationalistic piece of shit. Killings of one civilians leads to killings of millions of civilians. This we can see in history and history is doomed to repeat itself. As seen in Iraq.
It's on YouTube? Send me the link then. If I don't hear "America has killed 1.6 million people in Iraq" in any video you send me, then you are a liar. It's as simple as that.
@leopoldmarsh my god i can believe you actually claimed that a merely 120,000 people died in Iraq. God are you this stupid. Fuck you fucking look at videos on youtube or search the internet you American sheep. Shit man i cant believe you actually made this claim. LOL i bet you think Iraqs population is 1 million. DUMBASS.
You know what? Since you're clearly a mentally handicapped individual who lacks basic reading and comprehension skills, I'll give you sources to disprove your inflated figure of 1.6 million deaths in Iraq.
According to the World Health Organization's Iraq Family Health Survey, between 104,000 an 223,000 people died between March 2003 and June 2006, which were the most violent years of the war.
We are the problem. All of us. Anyone who sits and tries to defend any type of violent action, any type of monopolisation and any type of imperialism. Whether President of the USA, Queen, banker, media puppet, jihadist, soldier, dumbass racist who think's 'ragheads' deserve to die. It doesn't matter, it all has to stop before we destroy ourselves prior to the point where we've really begun.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
LOL hes gonna fight in the name of individualism for a collectivist ideology such as a "rights" or "freedoms". Love the opportunism here. But American imperialism, while not being the sole reason why jihadists do what they do, does play a role in what these people do. As horrible as they may act, so does America in the name of democracy. Its true, america has commited atrocities and killed innocent people in order to "spread democracy". Thats seems to be ok w/ him. An opinion not a fact.
I like Hitchens' view on religion, but his views on this matter are just wrong. The American government is taking our tax dollars and using them to kill innocent civilians. Not to mention the liberties they took from us through the Patriot Act. These people "guard us while we sleep" at the expense of our freedom and the lives of innocent people.
he should get to the point rather than stating hes intelligent several times and then bellittling an oppositte point of view, then people listening may find what he has to say more credible.
LOL Hitchens supported the invasion of Iraq and I bet he doesn't give two shits that it was illegal and that it resulted in the death of 1.6 million civilians most women and Children. Stupid Neo-Con nut.
@13dachronic .."Hitchens supported illegal invasion of Iraq, resulting in 1.6 million deaths"
Illegal invasion Mr dachronic? What legal authorities/references do you cite in support, or do you trot-out whatever bullshit pleases you and represent it as fact?
As for Iraqi deaths in the overthrow of the Baathists, credible sources give a figure of <1million.
Finally, you failed to mention the murders and horrific human rights violations committed by Hussein,1979–2003. Need help with that son?
@gangster3591 No dumbass it was 1.6 million Iraqis killed by your government mind you they were civilians. What are you a Hitchens and Bush apologist. Hello 1.6 million iraqis have perished and its fact. I bet your a holocaust denier aswell. 1.6 million, 1.6 million!!!!!!!!!! And the bitch Hitchens supports the Iraq war.
@gangster3591 Well it looks like you are incompetent to learn that 1.6 million Iraqi civilians have perished because of your country. Look who is the real imbecile.
@charlesvan13 lol you mean the Iraqi government who are now a vassal state of America. Dumbass its common knowledge that 1.6 million Iraqi civilians perished during this war. A war your beloved Hitchens supported!!!!!!!!!
@13dachronic: Obviously only a small fraction of those civilians were killed by Americans. Most of those people died because of the Iraqi civil war, which would have happened anyway. Saddam wasn't going to live forever, and as soon as he died, we would have had to intervene. Many lives were saved because of the troop surge, which really ended the Iraqi civil war.
@athabascka a small fraction??? My god it was nearly all casualties caused by America and there missile strike and there so called "wrong target" motto. Why dont you go to wikileaks and watch the video where a American Apachi gunship gunned down 12 iraqi reporters????? And who started the civil war??? America. America is responsible for the deaths of 1.6 million Iraqis buddy. Like it or not you ignorant nationalist.
@13dachronic: The elements and conditions within Iraqi society which led to the Civil War were always there. Saddam Hussein kept those forces in check, but Saddam wouldn't have lived forever. The Civil War was inevitable. The surge of coalition forces ended the Civil War earlier than it would have ended, probably saving hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives. The Iraqi Civil War was responsible for the majority of those deaths. Its pretty obvious thats the case.
@athabascka Actually the civil war was inevitable when America crushed the Saddam government. If you know anything about Iraq and its politics, people were supporting Saddam since the US put sanctions on Iraq depriving many children and mothers without food. IN this case the mass murder of civilians was directly caused by the American invasion and indirectly by the American sanctions on Iraq. If you are still stuck supporting this evil government then you are a sheep.
@13dachronic: I agree with you on the sanctions but you missed my point. Saddam's government was not going to survive forever, the civil war would have been the likely outcome anyway even if the US never involved itself. Its also not true that Iraqis rallied around Saddam. They never stopped hating him, and mainly fearing him. The problem they had was they didn't want foreign interference, not that they were supporting Saddam.
@athabascka "They never stopped hating him, and mainly fearing him:" yes they didnt like him but they supported him against the US sanctions that killed thousands. Furthermore Saddam actually had a grip in the country and civil war was unheard of at that time. It was only till the dreaded and nasty US sanctions which changed that Motto. But then again the Iraqis hated America because of its army and sanctions killing its people. America has their hands dirty face it. 1.6 million civilians died.
@13dachronic: Like I said, I agree with what you are saying on the sanctions. But what we are discussing here is what should the world community do about a state that invaded two of its neighbors, committed genoide, committed crimes against the environment, militarized its society into a police state, privitized its economy into the hands of one crime family. For too long, the consensus was to either do nothing, or destroy the already oppressed people with sanctions.
@athabascka and by going to war, we killed 1.6 iraqi civilians. I know man, Saddam was bad, but so is your government. Face facts, your government was responsible for these outrageous causality rate. Your army is evil and have no discipline whatsoever. Also who supported Iraq when they invaded Iran???? America. Who gave Iraq money and weapons?? AMerica. See what im trying to get at. In conclusion friend, Saddam was evil and your government is evil. Your government are killers. Fact.
@13dachronic: Its simply not true to say that the US killed 1.6 million Iraqi civilians. The bombing only lasted a few weeks. Beyond that, it was a ground occupation and security operation. The vast majority of those killed were killed in the civil war. And you have not disputed my main point, that the Iraqi civil war was a likely outcome anyway, because Saddam would not have lived forever. I'm less concerned about defending the US. I'm more interested in promoting internationalism.
@athabascka actually the US did kill 1.6 million Iraqis. And technically there is no civil war since the US is still occupying Iraq. Furthermore you seem quite ignorant defending your nation of killers. Why dont you watch the wiki leaks video where a Apache Helicopter guns down 12 iraqi reporters, and guess what they were laughing. There are many instances were teh American forces have killed civilians on purpose. Dont be such a sheep. America was responsible for the deaths of 1.6 million Iraqis
@13dachronic: Upon researching the subject, I found that 1.6 million civilians is inaccurate to say the least. From 2003 to 2005, 25,000 civilians were killed. The Iraqi civil war went on from 2006 to 2008, in which about 100,000 civilians were killed, mostly by Sunni insurgents. Another 100,000 Sunnis were killed by Shia miitary and security forces. Now of course these figures are innacurate, but I would guestimate that the overall causlties of the war would be around 500,000 at most.
@13dachronic: If the US is responsible for all the civilian deaths in Iraq, then an increase in US troops would have meant an increase in civilian death in Iraq. The opposite happened. When the US increased its troop number in 2007, civilian causualties dropped drastically, indicating that the civil war and lack of law and order is what caused the high civilian death toll, not US troops killing people. Its simple logic. You don't have to like America, but you shouldn't lie.
@athabascka im not lying. It looks like you are in denial you sheep. Your government was responsible directly and at some points indirectly with the slaughter of 1.6 million iraqi civilians. It looks like you haven't watched the video where a Apache Helicopter guns down 12 iraqi reporters. Who are you fooling??????
@13dachronic: How does the Apache helicoper gunning of 12 Iraqi reporters prove 1.6 million people were killed? 12 people does not equal 1.6 million people. The mission of US troops in Iraq was to set up a democratic government and promote stability. The fact that the 2007 troop surge decreased the number of civilians killed supports my point.
@athabascka 500,000 at most??????? Thats what your government said when they killed over 2 million vietnamese civilians in the Viet war. And there are many more videos exposing US troops intentional attack on Iraqi civilans. Please dont be so ignorant.
@13dachronic: Theres no point in arguing numbers. Nobody knows the true number. Wikileaks only says 109,000 civilians were killed in the Iraq war. The obvious point is this: it would not have been in the interests of the US governemnt to kill more civilians and create more instability. That would have undermined their effort. The US surge of troops reduced civilian death. It did not increase civilian death. Thats a fact you are willing to ignore.
@athabascka HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. America is evil and is responsible for the troubles and vast deaths in the world. If you cant accept the killing of 1.6 million iraqis from America then i have nothing more to say to you. I cannot convince ignorant sheeps like yourself. Bye.
@13dachronic: Any state that becomes the hegemon would be expected to act aggressively. There isn't anything inherently evil about Americans. If Sweden became the world's leading super power, you would expect it to become aggressive. With that being said, hegemons will once in a while do a good thing. You refuse to accept the fact that America is what ended the Iraqi civil war (ot at least forced it into remission). Your irrational denial of facts is a lot like the way religious people think.
@13dachronic: Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, which resulted in over a million killed. He committed genocide, killed 180,000 kurds. In some instances, 5000 were killed in one instant. He had and used illegal chemical weapons on civilian populations. He invaded Kuwait, a soverign country and member of the UN. And the best excuse you have for wishing Saddam's totalitarian government never ended is to lie, and say the US killed 1.6 million people. Shame on you.
@athabascka "Saddam Hussein invaded Iran' ------------------ And who made him invaded Iran??????? America. Now do you see how evil your country is. 1.6 million civilians killed in Iraq, over 50,000 in Afghanistan and over 2 million in Vietnam all in America so called help of giving countries "democracy". Dont be a apologetic for this sick country. Please.
@13dachronic If you want to live under Islamic law, please feel free to do so. If it where up to me, the U.S, would be non-interventionist, but that does not excuse the atrocities commited in the name of Allah.
@lakeviewviking LOL how many atrocities did the Secular country of America did to the people of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?????????????????? Hmmmmmmmmmm Wat About atheists like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, who all wanted a government with no god, and yet they killed over millions. LMAO dont get me started on Christianity and its atrocities. PLease do yourself a favor, why dont you look at the atrocities of what your country is doing current day. Just look.
Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong were not driven to commit mass murder in the name of atheism, but rather by their own twisted versions of Marxism. Most acts of terrorism committed by religious fundamentalists are committed in the name of their respective religion. There has never been a war waged or act of terror committed in the name of atheism.
You assume all Americans favor atrocities committed in those countries. You presume too much.
@leopoldmarsh Well actually no, Stalin, Pol-pot and Mao hated religion and wanted it abolished, much like the new atheists of Today. They made many propagandas insulting religion. And massacred people who devoutly believed. I dont presume too much, i know and America, your beloved America is nothing more than a secular Empire growing and hoping to conquer the world. And many atrocities follow that too. Atheists are killers tooooooo. And all three-man killed for their ideology of no god.
Uh, no, those three men killed people in spite of being atheists. In case you forgot, which obviously you have, those three tyrants killed more than just religious people. They killed millions of people, many of whom were members of said tyrants' parties. Stalin killed much of the USSR's top military brass before World War II. He also killed most of the old Bolsheviks.
I know you desperately want their reasons for butchering people to have been completely atheism-related, but facts are facts, and your perspective (that of the deluded, Muslim zealot) changes nothing.
You do presume too much. I mean, wow, is this was your religious leaders spoon-feed you? Of course, it's safer to bet you skim some obscure part of the Internet daily in search of Islamic anti-American and anti-secular nonsense.
@leopoldmarsh LMAO i can see you are a apologetic person defending the evils of America. Are you that nationalistic?? Buddy America is even not your country. Its the Natives. You know, the ones your ancestors slaughter. Hey there is another example of American Terror. Need i say more. Oh wait, no because i have been posting on this video all the evils America and secular and atheist societies. Go ahead be ignorant. Let American Media brainwash you. Stop being a Sheep, Mkay.
Your reply is pathetic. You do not address any of my points, implying that you actually have very little to say that is of value. Americans don't relish in the idea we committed genocide on the Natives, despite what your deluded little head might think. But the past is past.
Presumptions, presumptions, presumptions! I'm the son of immigrants, you idiot.
@leopoldmarsh well does America relish the idea that their Armed forces killed 2 million in Vietnam, 1.6 million civilians in Iraq and an untold number of thousands in Afghanistan. Even yesterday on CNN a American Troop in Afghanistan was found guilty of deliberately killing civilians, he killed them first and than threw guns at them to make it seem that they were fighter. Huh, so called American Justice, and the bringing in of democracy. You clown.
Vietnam was unforgivable. But hey, do Muslims relish in the idea that Pakistan butchered hundreds of thousands of their fellow Muslims in Bangladesh? How about the genocide committed by Indonesia against the people of East Timor? Or, how about the genocide the Turks committed against its Christian population (which they fervently deny)?
@leopoldmarsh LMAO 1.6 million is the number you mindless sheep. Stop defending your corrupt nation. There are many videos on youtube of American Iraqi vets exposing the truth of the Iraq war. They even said they were given orders to kill innocent Iraqis. Also why dont you watch the wikileaks video of Apache helicopter. The video is americans in a helicopter gunning down 13 innocent civilians while laughing. And you still deny the 1.6 million dead huh????
Eh, I had the last word a week ago. As far as I'm concerned, you already conceded.
By the way, by continuing to be profane, inane, and unabashedly blinded by your hatred of all things non-Islamic, your credibility as a debater is just...non-existent.
Your inaccuracies and inability to see through the lies of your leaders just shows you ignorance. BTW i really unlike you i dont go to youtube everyday in my life. Last week was the last time i logged on.
So any way believe what you want if it makes you sleep better.
@leopoldmarsh your the one who is delusion friend. Believe what you want but i live in the real world. A evil world ruled by Tyrants. A world with the Empire of America who killed over 50,000 afghan civilians, 1.6 million iraqi civilians and over 2 million vietnamese civilians. You call me a warmongering dog when you are the one who is defending the biggest warmonger on earth. Your such a useless SHEEP.
Right, I don't worship an allegedly omnipotent, invisible, undetectable, sky-daddy who is supposedly the source of all life and morality. You're delusional--period.
And you're a repetitive idiot.
Seeing as you're religious and hateful (probably lacking any formal education as well), chances are that you're the useless one. Working in menial jobs, are you?
Need I bring up (again) the Armenian Genocide? The slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis by the Pakistani Army? The genocide Indonesia committed against East Timor? How about the innumerable violent insurgencies by Islamic extremists in the Philippines, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Russia, and North Africa? You lying, brain-dead hypocrite.
@leopoldmarsh See this is how Nationalistic you are. You get offended when you are confronted with real numbers of AMERICAN TERROR. You then change the topic by saying islam kills. FYI buddy these are countries too. They have killed i acknowledge that but my religion forbids it. Furthermore you need to understand that American troops DO KILL CIVILIANS. Are you this RETARDED. Need i give you some vids of Iraqi vets exposing the truth about the war??????????????????????
See? This is how "religulous" you are (in case you didn't catch it, "religulous" is a portmanteau of "religious" and "ridiculous").
Are you so retarded that you can't understand that the vast majority (not all) of civilian deaths can be attributed to roadside bombs and shootouts? Which is why my mentioning of Islam's brutality is completely relevant. I mean, if you're blinded by your own stupidity, that's fine, there's really nothing I can do about that.
@leopoldmarsh look buddy you keep brining religion and changing the topic from American Terror. ( i didnt use caps just for you ). 1.6 million Iraqi civilians perished, along with 50,000 afghan civilians, and 2 million vietnamese civilians all because of your so-called Democratic Justice. Believe what you want, if being ignorant makes you sleep at night then fine. But just know that you are a ignorant one-minded fool who believes everything that your government says.
Fewer than 1.6 million people have died in Iraq--period. I acknowledge that American troops have killed civilians, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and especially Vietnam. But when someone like you says that every single civilian death in those countries (especially in Iraq and Afghanistan) was killed by American troops, then obviously someone (you) is either purposefully exaggerating (a.k.a. being an ignoramus), or is naive.
@leopoldmarsh Ok so you are a nationalistic retarded naive piece of shit. 1.6 million civilians perished because of your bastard country. I asked you a question, do you need me to give you videos were Iraq vets were purposely killing civilians for fun. YES OR NO. Or you can youtube it yourself you moron. Dumb typical retarded American always says that civilians weren't killed. 1.6 million died because of your support for America you piece of nationalistic shit .I hope you sleep well.
I enjoying getting a rise out of you. You're so pathetically pissy and naive that I find it entertaining.
I asked you for your source. I want your source which says that 1.6 million people died in Iraq. Give me the source, and stop being evasive. Type your source in a reply, or you're a liar. Very simple.
@leopoldmarsh do you actually think the lying US government would say that they killed over 1.6 million civilians??? The samething happened in Vietnam, people knew America were bombing and killing civilians and the government denied this. But thankfully we managed to get the real numbers about 20 or so years ago. The total dead Vietnamese civilians caused by American was 2 million. Take that in you nationalistic piece of shit. Stop defending the tyranny of your country and its mass murders.
@leopoldmarsh actually dumbass they did right after the war. Did you read my post properly. I said 20 or so years ago in the early to mid 90's did the government finally admit that they have killed over 2 million vietnamese civilian. Seriously you are the biggest nationalistic sheep dog i have ever seen. 1.6 million Iraqis died in that war. I swear are you blind or what???? I gave you videos and there a vids of Iraqi vets admitting that they killed innocent civilians and did it for fun.!!!!!
I just said that I admitted that civilians died in Iraq, and that some were killed by US troops. Are you illiterate, or are you picking and choosing what to understand? Idiot.
By the way, I do sleep well at night, thanks. The godless never have to worry about pissing off some imaginary friend who watches us day in and day out, taking note of our every action to determine whether or not we're worthy of some imaginary paradise that comes after death. It's quite nice. Meanwhile, you religious idiots revel in ignorance and fear. Which is something my fellow atheists and I find hilarious.
How about this: give me your source for that number of deaths for the Iraq War. I want your source. Don't tell me to Google it, don't be evasive--just type it in a reply.
@leopoldmarsh You also represent the typical retarded nationalist who thinks his country is great because he said so. America has a long rep sheet of killing civilians. Its documented and proved. So deal with you ignoramus.
@jagovRUS at least im not some retarded nationalistic bastard who thinks America is right all the time. Islam and my religion has nothing to do with it. So continue on making fallacies and invalid statements sir.
@13dachronic Oooh, but your lack of reading comprehension is showing now. I never made any statement or implication other than that you're a moronic follower of the worst cancer in the world (Islam), which happens to be true. I didn't make any other statement.
@jagovRUS actually you did. I dont see how islam has anything to do with your evil country killing innocent people. Again you make fallacies and invalid statements about islam. I say atheism is a cancer in the world. It will truly destroy us.
@13dachronic I'm starting to think you may have me confused with someone else. I made a single comment pointing out mad the Islamatard was (yourself), and that's it. Your shit-stained excuse for a religion is the enemy of everything of value humanity has created thusfar. (One need only look at every Muslim-controlled government on Earth for self-evident proof). Either Islam will be eradicated or it will eradicate civilization. See you on the field.
@jagovRUS well its you is the retarded nationalistic asshole who supports your shitstain underwear named leopoldmarsh. This conversation has nothing to do with you, so i dont know why you replied. I guess you and that other fellow fall in the NRA. Nationalistic Retarded American. You happy.
By the way, find an alternative word for 'sheep'. Using the exact same over and over again just makes you seem like...a moron with nothing better to say (which you are). But if you wish to give the illusion that you have some semblance of intelligence, I'd find an substitute.
@13dachronic Presumably you are aware that the Roman Catholic Spanish and Portuguese had gone the the Americas with the EXPLICIT intention of taking possession of all their lands, property and wealth? The last South American civilisation had fallen to the Spanish by 1530, a continent of slaves. The Portuguese began the trans-Atlantic slave trade IMMEDIATELY. I presume you know that only 5% of the slave trade was British American? Do you even know how old the was US when it abolished slavery?
I am a Christian and I respect Hitchen's right to not believe. Aside from that, I think he is a brilliant historian and orator. Please be tolerant of those who have belief that may not agree with you.Hate breeds more hate.
thistencenttown 10 hours ago
We need a new Hitchens to slap down these naive left wing idiots. The world is a worse place with his passing away.
hmwm67 1 week ago
Not quite out of the democracy delusion, but damn close.
SomethingNothingSea 2 months ago
Theists love to twist and fuck with the words of God. In the end, it's all bullshit. Thre is NO GOD. It's a creation made to indoctrinate the sheeple. And it worked. Yay, Illuminati. Now they need 3-4 billion people to die...guess what Theists...step up, you useless wastes of fucking skin.
TheCrimsonification 2 months ago
This just shows that leftists can be just as crazy as those on the right. Not that I agreed with Christopher Hitchens about everything, but he was certainly right here (and most of the time, I'd say).
Willam2 2 months ago 2
@Willam2
That's what is so great about Hitchens, if you disagree with him, you have to seriously reflect on your position.
yuothineyesasian 2 months ago
Muslims complaining about imperialism - whilst walking around with an Islamic imperialistic attitude. Interesting.
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tdp1909 2 months ago
@rockermanmatt
yup, should have left the iraqis to be brutalized and murdered under the saddam regime....right?
and strangely, the armed forces in iraq were fighting insurgents and those who would deny freedom to the iraqi people - so the 7/7 fucktards were quite evidently supporters of brutal terrorists and fundamentalists - it would have been only a matter of time before they found a reason to kill innocent civilians
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
Farewell Christopher Hitchens.
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
They are both right. They hate us because we give women rights and because we occupy the ME. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If it's us or them I choose us, but to pretend we are innocent victims is to ignore logic, reason, and factual evidence. You'd think Hitchens would be against that.
JLIV461 2 months ago
@JLIV461
you missed the point
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
Dear Hitch, I've never wished more that there was an afterlife than i do now. The thought of seeing you kick god's ass for all eternity is just too sweet. Alas, we've rounded the corner of reason and put that fantasy down. But your cause is immortal. You stood for reason, clarity and speaking truth to power. It is now up to us to live up to your challenge.
You live on among the brightest, the critical, the most thoughtful of us all, Hitch. Long may you live
WildlySavage 2 months ago 4
R.I.P. Mr. Hitchens, you will be duly missed. You are irreplaceable!
TheFederalistVoice 2 months ago 3
The prophet muhammad has been using the old victim mentality since he moved from Mecca to Medina .
LuluRosenkrantz 3 months ago
Christopher Hitchens - a sharp razor cutting through fatuousness and hypocrisy.
selfundoer 3 months ago 2
Hitchens has a point, but he still hasn't shown that western imperialism plays no part in radical islamic anti-western rhetoric. I don't think it can be denied that ending the colonial policies of the U.S. would drastically reduce the perceived "terrorist threat."
overman926 3 months ago
@overman926
what "colonial policies of the U.S."?
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket Attempting to sabotage foreign governments with anti-westetrn ideals such as Cuba, Russia, Iran, Vietnam, etc. Military bases in over 127 countries. Perpetual war with underdeveloped countries in the name of "The American Way."
overman926 2 months ago
@overman926
that isn't colonialism - look it up
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
@ArmorDinnerJacket I was wrong. Imperialism, then.
overman926 2 months ago
@overman926
imperialism perhaps - however, pretty much every nation in the world indulges in meddling in other countries to some degree or another
sabotaging iran looks like a damn good idea to me
russia also tried to sabotage the west
cuba has been pretty much ignored since the bay of pigs
after the withdrawal from vietnam, the viet cong proceeded to slaughter over a million south vietnamese
ArmorDinnerJacket 2 months ago
In the end.... Hitchens never seem to have answered the gentleman's fundamental question.... not even eloquence can hide the facts....sorry hitchens....
daarkmatter 3 months ago
@daarkmatter are you kidding me? He clearly answered his question and refuted it. The man claimed that it was the US/western imperialism that caused jihad and Hitch demonstrated why the premise of the question isn't sound or valid. He then went on to give examples of why it isn't as the questioner phrased it, that it is our fault for the attacks.
shonkey 3 months ago 18
@daarkmatter Actually, he did. The masochistic hippy at the beginning asserted that the West was essentially responsible for 9/11 and the like. Hitchens responded by saying that certain Western leaders have been responsible for shady things in the 3rd world and elsewhere and should be held accountable, but the West as a whole and our values are what's under attack by Muslim extremist thugs, and that even without fucking with them, Islamatards would still hate the west and attack it.
jagovRUS 3 months ago 17
@jagovRUS who put those leaders in power? You guys have these thing called democracy right?
grazzhood71 2 months ago
Wow i got goosepimples. i wish i was a tiny bit as articulate as chris hitchens the man has my utmost respect.
threckulator 3 months ago
You see, zealot? Even the secret documents released by WikiLeaks don't support your death toll.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
According to the formerly classified Iraq war logs released by WikiLeaks, approximately 109,032 people died in Iraq between January 2004 and December 2009.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh "109,032 people died in Iraq between January 2004 and December 2009." LMAO you failed those arent civilian numbers dumbass they are the death tolls of extremists of the Shia and other sects and groups in Iraq. LOL you fail.
"1.6 million internally displaced person (refugees, not deaths) in Iraq"
Displaced??????? The number for people displaced is over 10 million buddy??? Stop lying
You are a nationalistic american dog who cant comprehend the fact that his country is evil.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Wow. That's it, man. You lose. I've disproved your death toll, and yet you keep on mouthing off like brainwashed zealot who is absolutely sure that his b.s. is factual.
Actually, the figure of 109,032 deaths includes both civilian and military deaths. I'd link you to the article and the proof from WikiLeaks, but I know you're not going to bother reading it.
Honestly, I'm starting to think you're a troll. There's no way you can be this stupid. There really isn't.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh god you fail so much. STOP Defending America for its crime. ITs as simple as that. Man if youtube was around after the vietnamese war you would deny the Americans killing over 2 million vietnamese. This is exactly whats happening and yet you seem to deny this. I told you 109,032 deaths is not accounted for civilians dumb ass, it was Shia extremists and other factions trying to get control of provinces in Iraq, Iraq a country America made unstable.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
No, 109,032 is the total number of deaths in all.
You say 1.6 million people have died in Iraq.
I say: prove it.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh "109,032 is the total number of deaths in all."
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Reallly. Saying that 109,032 Iraqis died in total is like saying that number but applying it to the vietnamese war. Do you understand how stupid your comments are. FYI that number is for the dead shia extremists and other rebel factions vying for control of Iraqi provinces. Dumbass. I suggest you backdown because you dont know shit about the Iraqi war. Proof the proof is here on youtube and the internet.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
You say the proof is on the Internet. Well, stop being an evasive pussy and show it to me. Send me a link, to a website, video, something telling me that 1.6 million people died in Iraq. Put your money where your mouth is.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
No, but I'm aware of how stupid your comments are. They drip with stupidity in ways I can't even begin to fathom.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
You see?
You won't send me a link. You won't redirect me to a website proving that crap you've been trying to spoon-feed me.
You know why? Because you have nothing to show me. You're a congenital liar, and a delusional one at that. I suggest you (first and foremost) take a class on reading comprehension. Secondly, I suggest you stop making up b.s. and find me cold, hard facts.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh do actually think if i show you a link to some newscorporation or government website that they will actually say 1.6 million Iraqis died. They are hiding it but nearly everyone in the world knows that America fucked and destroyed Iraq with the deaths of over 1.6 million Iraqis. I mean hello this was a war. Not a skirmish dumbass. And America is known for targeting civilians. Why dont you use youtube.
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@leopoldmarsh ok i will send you a PM of a Iraqi vet that intentional killed civilians as ordered by his superiors. 1.6 million iraqi civilians died because of US soldiers inability to not care or have heart. You treat them like rats. Here it is..... Ok so i sent you two videos from my favorites list. It tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth you nationalistic piece of shit. Take that sea shell of yours and shove it in your ass. Maybe then you will come to some sense.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh dumbass i asked you if you wanted these videos about 5 days ago but you still continued to over post nonsense and defend America the Empire of Evil. I also put the two videos on top of my favorites your dumbass can see it again. Shhhhhhesh. How nationalistic you are??? You enjoying hwo your country kills civilians because of the deaths of 3000 AmeriCUNTS perpetrated by your own government. America will Burn you nationalistic sheep dog.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh dumbass they say that Americans KILLED FUCKING CIVILIANS. You really think the murder of civilians in the US forces is rare??? wrong. What source do you want??? Some corrupted news corp who give bs propaganda or something commissioned by your corrupt government. It is a unoffical but true that 1.6 million Iraqis have perished. And those videos proved hundreds of thousands of civilians perished you ameriCUNT.
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@leopoldmarsh loook how you change the topic?? Muslims kill muslims more than Americans??? FUCKING LOL realize how stupid you are. Those so-called muslims are puppets to America dumb bitch. My videos proved that many civilians perished in Iraq nearly that of Vietnam. You AmeriCUNT faggot. Shit you this dumb. You see how your nation operates. Huh you fucking see. You have a evil nation of killers with your SO-CALLED DEMOCRACY. Fuck AMerica and its terrorist acts.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh no the reason i hate America is for its corrupted imperialistic government and its sheeps ie. You. I told you my sources. Its right here on youtube. I have given the vids which shows AMERICUNTS KILLING INNOCENT IRAQIS. This killings are not rare but common, and if you realize you nationalistic piece of shit. Killings of one civilians leads to killings of millions of civilians. This we can see in history and history is doomed to repeat itself. As seen in Iraq.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
It's on YouTube? Send me the link then. If I don't hear "America has killed 1.6 million people in Iraq" in any video you send me, then you are a liar. It's as simple as that.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
By the way, do you live in the United States?
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@13dachronic
No...between 1.9 and 3.9 million people died in the Vietnam War.
In comparison, only about ~120,000 people died in Iraq.
Dear God, debating you is like explaining "Ulysses" to a toaster.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh my god i can believe you actually claimed that a merely 120,000 people died in Iraq. God are you this stupid. Fuck you fucking look at videos on youtube or search the internet you American sheep. Shit man i cant believe you actually made this claim. LOL i bet you think Iraqs population is 1 million. DUMBASS.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
You know what? Since you're clearly a mentally handicapped individual who lacks basic reading and comprehension skills, I'll give you sources to disprove your inflated figure of 1.6 million deaths in Iraq.
According to the World Health Organization's Iraq Family Health Survey, between 104,000 an 223,000 people died between March 2003 and June 2006, which were the most violent years of the war.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
We are the problem. All of us. Anyone who sits and tries to defend any type of violent action, any type of monopolisation and any type of imperialism. Whether President of the USA, Queen, banker, media puppet, jihadist, soldier, dumbass racist who think's 'ragheads' deserve to die. It doesn't matter, it all has to stop before we destroy ourselves prior to the point where we've really begun.
iRob420 3 months ago
Magnificent Hitchens!
llynfach 3 months ago
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@llynfach The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 3 months ago
Hitch is my Hero!
Kclaybond 4 months ago
Countries killing= casualties
Person killing= Murder
It's easy to kill when you don't have to take any personal responsibility.
zazack79 4 months ago
LOL hes gonna fight in the name of individualism for a collectivist ideology such as a "rights" or "freedoms". Love the opportunism here. But American imperialism, while not being the sole reason why jihadists do what they do, does play a role in what these people do. As horrible as they may act, so does America in the name of democracy. Its true, america has commited atrocities and killed innocent people in order to "spread democracy". Thats seems to be ok w/ him. An opinion not a fact.
vidfreak56 4 months ago
I like Hitchens' view on religion, but his views on this matter are just wrong. The American government is taking our tax dollars and using them to kill innocent civilians. Not to mention the liberties they took from us through the Patriot Act. These people "guard us while we sleep" at the expense of our freedom and the lives of innocent people.
potterfan392 4 months ago
he should get to the point rather than stating hes intelligent several times and then bellittling an oppositte point of view, then people listening may find what he has to say more credible.
InfamousMrK 4 months ago
LOL Hitchens supported the invasion of Iraq and I bet he doesn't give two shits that it was illegal and that it resulted in the death of 1.6 million civilians most women and Children. Stupid Neo-Con nut.
13dachronic 5 months ago
@13dachronic .."Hitchens supported illegal invasion of Iraq, resulting in 1.6 million deaths"
Illegal invasion Mr dachronic? What legal authorities/references do you cite in support, or do you trot-out whatever bullshit pleases you and represent it as fact?
As for Iraqi deaths in the overthrow of the Baathists, credible sources give a figure of <1million.
Finally, you failed to mention the murders and horrific human rights violations committed by Hussein,1979–2003. Need help with that son?
gangster3591 4 months ago
@gangster3591 No dumbass it was 1.6 million Iraqis killed by your government mind you they were civilians. What are you a Hitchens and Bush apologist. Hello 1.6 million iraqis have perished and its fact. I bet your a holocaust denier aswell. 1.6 million, 1.6 million!!!!!!!!!! And the bitch Hitchens supports the Iraq war.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic ..thanks for an infantile reply, son. I leave it up to viewers to judge; I have no time to waste on imbeciles
gangster3591 4 months ago
@gangster3591 Well it looks like you are incompetent to learn that 1.6 million Iraqi civilians have perished because of your country. Look who is the real imbecile.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic
That's bullshit, and not supported by even the Iraqi government.
charlesvan13 4 months ago
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@charlesvan13 lol you mean the Iraqi government who are now a vassal state of America. Dumbass its common knowledge that 1.6 million Iraqi civilians perished during this war. A war your beloved Hitchens supported!!!!!!!!!
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Obviously only a small fraction of those civilians were killed by Americans. Most of those people died because of the Iraqi civil war, which would have happened anyway. Saddam wasn't going to live forever, and as soon as he died, we would have had to intervene. Many lives were saved because of the troop surge, which really ended the Iraqi civil war.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka a small fraction??? My god it was nearly all casualties caused by America and there missile strike and there so called "wrong target" motto. Why dont you go to wikileaks and watch the video where a American Apachi gunship gunned down 12 iraqi reporters????? And who started the civil war??? America. America is responsible for the deaths of 1.6 million Iraqis buddy. Like it or not you ignorant nationalist.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: The elements and conditions within Iraqi society which led to the Civil War were always there. Saddam Hussein kept those forces in check, but Saddam wouldn't have lived forever. The Civil War was inevitable. The surge of coalition forces ended the Civil War earlier than it would have ended, probably saving hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives. The Iraqi Civil War was responsible for the majority of those deaths. Its pretty obvious thats the case.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka Actually the civil war was inevitable when America crushed the Saddam government. If you know anything about Iraq and its politics, people were supporting Saddam since the US put sanctions on Iraq depriving many children and mothers without food. IN this case the mass murder of civilians was directly caused by the American invasion and indirectly by the American sanctions on Iraq. If you are still stuck supporting this evil government then you are a sheep.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: I agree with you on the sanctions but you missed my point. Saddam's government was not going to survive forever, the civil war would have been the likely outcome anyway even if the US never involved itself. Its also not true that Iraqis rallied around Saddam. They never stopped hating him, and mainly fearing him. The problem they had was they didn't want foreign interference, not that they were supporting Saddam.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka "They never stopped hating him, and mainly fearing him:" yes they didnt like him but they supported him against the US sanctions that killed thousands. Furthermore Saddam actually had a grip in the country and civil war was unheard of at that time. It was only till the dreaded and nasty US sanctions which changed that Motto. But then again the Iraqis hated America because of its army and sanctions killing its people. America has their hands dirty face it. 1.6 million civilians died.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Like I said, I agree with what you are saying on the sanctions. But what we are discussing here is what should the world community do about a state that invaded two of its neighbors, committed genoide, committed crimes against the environment, militarized its society into a police state, privitized its economy into the hands of one crime family. For too long, the consensus was to either do nothing, or destroy the already oppressed people with sanctions.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka and by going to war, we killed 1.6 iraqi civilians. I know man, Saddam was bad, but so is your government. Face facts, your government was responsible for these outrageous causality rate. Your army is evil and have no discipline whatsoever. Also who supported Iraq when they invaded Iran???? America. Who gave Iraq money and weapons?? AMerica. See what im trying to get at. In conclusion friend, Saddam was evil and your government is evil. Your government are killers. Fact.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Its simply not true to say that the US killed 1.6 million Iraqi civilians. The bombing only lasted a few weeks. Beyond that, it was a ground occupation and security operation. The vast majority of those killed were killed in the civil war. And you have not disputed my main point, that the Iraqi civil war was a likely outcome anyway, because Saddam would not have lived forever. I'm less concerned about defending the US. I'm more interested in promoting internationalism.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka actually the US did kill 1.6 million Iraqis. And technically there is no civil war since the US is still occupying Iraq. Furthermore you seem quite ignorant defending your nation of killers. Why dont you watch the wiki leaks video where a Apache Helicopter guns down 12 iraqi reporters, and guess what they were laughing. There are many instances were teh American forces have killed civilians on purpose. Dont be such a sheep. America was responsible for the deaths of 1.6 million Iraqis
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Upon researching the subject, I found that 1.6 million civilians is inaccurate to say the least. From 2003 to 2005, 25,000 civilians were killed. The Iraqi civil war went on from 2006 to 2008, in which about 100,000 civilians were killed, mostly by Sunni insurgents. Another 100,000 Sunnis were killed by Shia miitary and security forces. Now of course these figures are innacurate, but I would guestimate that the overall causlties of the war would be around 500,000 at most.
athabascka 4 months ago
@13dachronic: If the US is responsible for all the civilian deaths in Iraq, then an increase in US troops would have meant an increase in civilian death in Iraq. The opposite happened. When the US increased its troop number in 2007, civilian causualties dropped drastically, indicating that the civil war and lack of law and order is what caused the high civilian death toll, not US troops killing people. Its simple logic. You don't have to like America, but you shouldn't lie.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka im not lying. It looks like you are in denial you sheep. Your government was responsible directly and at some points indirectly with the slaughter of 1.6 million iraqi civilians. It looks like you haven't watched the video where a Apache Helicopter guns down 12 iraqi reporters. Who are you fooling??????
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: How does the Apache helicoper gunning of 12 Iraqi reporters prove 1.6 million people were killed? 12 people does not equal 1.6 million people. The mission of US troops in Iraq was to set up a democratic government and promote stability. The fact that the 2007 troop surge decreased the number of civilians killed supports my point.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka 500,000 at most??????? Thats what your government said when they killed over 2 million vietnamese civilians in the Viet war. And there are many more videos exposing US troops intentional attack on Iraqi civilans. Please dont be so ignorant.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Theres no point in arguing numbers. Nobody knows the true number. Wikileaks only says 109,000 civilians were killed in the Iraq war. The obvious point is this: it would not have been in the interests of the US governemnt to kill more civilians and create more instability. That would have undermined their effort. The US surge of troops reduced civilian death. It did not increase civilian death. Thats a fact you are willing to ignore.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. America is evil and is responsible for the troubles and vast deaths in the world. If you cant accept the killing of 1.6 million iraqis from America then i have nothing more to say to you. I cannot convince ignorant sheeps like yourself. Bye.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Any state that becomes the hegemon would be expected to act aggressively. There isn't anything inherently evil about Americans. If Sweden became the world's leading super power, you would expect it to become aggressive. With that being said, hegemons will once in a while do a good thing. You refuse to accept the fact that America is what ended the Iraqi civil war (ot at least forced it into remission). Your irrational denial of facts is a lot like the way religious people think.
athabascka 4 months ago
@13dachronic: Saddam Hussein invaded Iran, which resulted in over a million killed. He committed genocide, killed 180,000 kurds. In some instances, 5000 were killed in one instant. He had and used illegal chemical weapons on civilian populations. He invaded Kuwait, a soverign country and member of the UN. And the best excuse you have for wishing Saddam's totalitarian government never ended is to lie, and say the US killed 1.6 million people. Shame on you.
athabascka 4 months ago
@athabascka "Saddam Hussein invaded Iran' ------------------ And who made him invaded Iran??????? America. Now do you see how evil your country is. 1.6 million civilians killed in Iraq, over 50,000 in Afghanistan and over 2 million in Vietnam all in America so called help of giving countries "democracy". Dont be a apologetic for this sick country. Please.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic If you want to live under Islamic law, please feel free to do so. If it where up to me, the U.S, would be non-interventionist, but that does not excuse the atrocities commited in the name of Allah.
lakeviewviking 4 months ago
@lakeviewviking LOL how many atrocities did the Secular country of America did to the people of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?????????????????? Hmmmmmmmmmm Wat About atheists like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, who all wanted a government with no god, and yet they killed over millions. LMAO dont get me started on Christianity and its atrocities. PLease do yourself a favor, why dont you look at the atrocities of what your country is doing current day. Just look.
13dachronic 4 months ago
@13dachronic
Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong were not driven to commit mass murder in the name of atheism, but rather by their own twisted versions of Marxism. Most acts of terrorism committed by religious fundamentalists are committed in the name of their respective religion. There has never been a war waged or act of terror committed in the name of atheism.
You assume all Americans favor atrocities committed in those countries. You presume too much.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh Well actually no, Stalin, Pol-pot and Mao hated religion and wanted it abolished, much like the new atheists of Today. They made many propagandas insulting religion. And massacred people who devoutly believed. I dont presume too much, i know and America, your beloved America is nothing more than a secular Empire growing and hoping to conquer the world. And many atrocities follow that too. Atheists are killers tooooooo. And all three-man killed for their ideology of no god.
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@13dachronic
Uh, no, those three men killed people in spite of being atheists. In case you forgot, which obviously you have, those three tyrants killed more than just religious people. They killed millions of people, many of whom were members of said tyrants' parties. Stalin killed much of the USSR's top military brass before World War II. He also killed most of the old Bolsheviks.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
I know you desperately want their reasons for butchering people to have been completely atheism-related, but facts are facts, and your perspective (that of the deluded, Muslim zealot) changes nothing.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
You do presume too much. I mean, wow, is this was your religious leaders spoon-feed you? Of course, it's safer to bet you skim some obscure part of the Internet daily in search of Islamic anti-American and anti-secular nonsense.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh LMAO i can see you are a apologetic person defending the evils of America. Are you that nationalistic?? Buddy America is even not your country. Its the Natives. You know, the ones your ancestors slaughter. Hey there is another example of American Terror. Need i say more. Oh wait, no because i have been posting on this video all the evils America and secular and atheist societies. Go ahead be ignorant. Let American Media brainwash you. Stop being a Sheep, Mkay.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Your reply is pathetic. You do not address any of my points, implying that you actually have very little to say that is of value. Americans don't relish in the idea we committed genocide on the Natives, despite what your deluded little head might think. But the past is past.
Presumptions, presumptions, presumptions! I'm the son of immigrants, you idiot.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh well does America relish the idea that their Armed forces killed 2 million in Vietnam, 1.6 million civilians in Iraq and an untold number of thousands in Afghanistan. Even yesterday on CNN a American Troop in Afghanistan was found guilty of deliberately killing civilians, he killed them first and than threw guns at them to make it seem that they were fighter. Huh, so called American Justice, and the bringing in of democracy. You clown.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
He was found guilty by an American court.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Vietnam was unforgivable. But hey, do Muslims relish in the idea that Pakistan butchered hundreds of thousands of their fellow Muslims in Bangladesh? How about the genocide committed by Indonesia against the people of East Timor? Or, how about the genocide the Turks committed against its Christian population (which they fervently deny)?
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@13dachronic
The irony is that most deaths in Iraq can be attributed to infighting between Shiites and Sunnis.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
1.6 million people in Iraq? Don't inflate numbers, now.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh LMAO 1.6 million is the number you mindless sheep. Stop defending your corrupt nation. There are many videos on youtube of American Iraqi vets exposing the truth of the Iraq war. They even said they were given orders to kill innocent Iraqis. Also why dont you watch the wikileaks video of Apache helicopter. The video is americans in a helicopter gunning down 13 innocent civilians while laughing. And you still deny the 1.6 million dead huh????
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
No, it's less.
Eh, I had the last word a week ago. As far as I'm concerned, you already conceded.
By the way, by continuing to be profane, inane, and unabashedly blinded by your hatred of all things non-Islamic, your credibility as a debater is just...non-existent.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh NOPE ITS 1.6 MILLION YOU SHEEP.
Your inaccuracies and inability to see through the lies of your leaders just shows you ignorance. BTW i really unlike you i dont go to youtube everyday in my life. Last week was the last time i logged on.
So any way believe what you want if it makes you sleep better.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh your the one who is delusion friend. Believe what you want but i live in the real world. A evil world ruled by Tyrants. A world with the Empire of America who killed over 50,000 afghan civilians, 1.6 million iraqi civilians and over 2 million vietnamese civilians. You call me a warmongering dog when you are the one who is defending the biggest warmonger on earth. Your such a useless SHEEP.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Right, I don't worship an allegedly omnipotent, invisible, undetectable, sky-daddy who is supposedly the source of all life and morality. You're delusional--period.
And you're a repetitive idiot.
Seeing as you're religious and hateful (probably lacking any formal education as well), chances are that you're the useless one. Working in menial jobs, are you?
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
You're right. There are many tyrannical governments in the world. Interestingly enough, most Muslim countries are authoritarian.
Again I ask, do you live in Canada?
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
*"Delusional"
"Delusion" is a noun, not an adjective.
Don't inflate numbers, it's less than 1.6 million. And most Iraqis were killed by Muslims, not US troops.
No, I called Mohammed, your false prophet, a warmonger. I never said "dog". More lies from a confirmed liar.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Need I bring up (again) the Armenian Genocide? The slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis by the Pakistani Army? The genocide Indonesia committed against East Timor? How about the innumerable violent insurgencies by Islamic extremists in the Philippines, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Russia, and North Africa? You lying, brain-dead hypocrite.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh See this is how Nationalistic you are. You get offended when you are confronted with real numbers of AMERICAN TERROR. You then change the topic by saying islam kills. FYI buddy these are countries too. They have killed i acknowledge that but my religion forbids it. Furthermore you need to understand that American troops DO KILL CIVILIANS. Are you this RETARDED. Need i give you some vids of Iraqi vets exposing the truth about the war??????????????????????
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
See? This is how "religulous" you are (in case you didn't catch it, "religulous" is a portmanteau of "religious" and "ridiculous").
Are you so retarded that you can't understand that the vast majority (not all) of civilian deaths can be attributed to roadside bombs and shootouts? Which is why my mentioning of Islam's brutality is completely relevant. I mean, if you're blinded by your own stupidity, that's fine, there's really nothing I can do about that.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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@13dachronic
Your ignorance doesn't offend me, zealot.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh look buddy you keep brining religion and changing the topic from American Terror. ( i didnt use caps just for you ). 1.6 million Iraqi civilians perished, along with 50,000 afghan civilians, and 2 million vietnamese civilians all because of your so-called Democratic Justice. Believe what you want, if being ignorant makes you sleep at night then fine. But just know that you are a ignorant one-minded fool who believes everything that your government says.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Fewer than 1.6 million people have died in Iraq--period. I acknowledge that American troops have killed civilians, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and especially Vietnam. But when someone like you says that every single civilian death in those countries (especially in Iraq and Afghanistan) was killed by American troops, then obviously someone (you) is either purposefully exaggerating (a.k.a. being an ignoramus), or is naive.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh Ok so you are a nationalistic retarded naive piece of shit. 1.6 million civilians perished because of your bastard country. I asked you a question, do you need me to give you videos were Iraq vets were purposely killing civilians for fun. YES OR NO. Or you can youtube it yourself you moron. Dumb typical retarded American always says that civilians weren't killed. 1.6 million died because of your support for America you piece of nationalistic shit .I hope you sleep well.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Actually, you didn't ask me a question.
I enjoying getting a rise out of you. You're so pathetically pissy and naive that I find it entertaining.
I asked you for your source. I want your source which says that 1.6 million people died in Iraq. Give me the source, and stop being evasive. Type your source in a reply, or you're a liar. Very simple.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
I don't some testimonies of a few Iraqi War veterans, I want a source that states, very clearly, that 1.6 million people were killed by US troops.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh do you actually think the lying US government would say that they killed over 1.6 million civilians??? The samething happened in Vietnam, people knew America were bombing and killing civilians and the government denied this. But thankfully we managed to get the real numbers about 20 or so years ago. The total dead Vietnamese civilians caused by American was 2 million. Take that in you nationalistic piece of shit. Stop defending the tyranny of your country and its mass murders.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Give me your source. I want your source.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
I mean, you do know what a 'source' is, right? It can be anything. A newspaper, website, book. Just give me a source.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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@leopoldmarsh actually dumbass they did right after the war. Did you read my post properly. I said 20 or so years ago in the early to mid 90's did the government finally admit that they have killed over 2 million vietnamese civilian. Seriously you are the biggest nationalistic sheep dog i have ever seen. 1.6 million Iraqis died in that war. I swear are you blind or what???? I gave you videos and there a vids of Iraqi vets admitting that they killed innocent civilians and did it for fun.!!!!!
13dachronic 3 months ago
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
I just said that I admitted that civilians died in Iraq, and that some were killed by US troops. Are you illiterate, or are you picking and choosing what to understand? Idiot.
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
By the way, I do sleep well at night, thanks. The godless never have to worry about pissing off some imaginary friend who watches us day in and day out, taking note of our every action to determine whether or not we're worthy of some imaginary paradise that comes after death. It's quite nice. Meanwhile, you religious idiots revel in ignorance and fear. Which is something my fellow atheists and I find hilarious.
Anyhow, I want your source. That is all.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Seeing the way you type (like a child), I'm going to assume that you're simply naive.
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@13dachronic
How about this: give me your source for that number of deaths for the Iraq War. I want your source. Don't tell me to Google it, don't be evasive--just type it in a reply.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@leopoldmarsh You also represent the typical retarded nationalist who thinks his country is great because he said so. America has a long rep sheet of killing civilians. Its documented and proved. So deal with you ignoramus.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic Poor Islamatard is so mad. lol.
jagovRUS 3 months ago
@jagovRUS at least im not some retarded nationalistic bastard who thinks America is right all the time. Islam and my religion has nothing to do with it. So continue on making fallacies and invalid statements sir.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic Oooh, but your lack of reading comprehension is showing now. I never made any statement or implication other than that you're a moronic follower of the worst cancer in the world (Islam), which happens to be true. I didn't make any other statement.
sir.
jagovRUS 3 months ago
@jagovRUS actually you did. I dont see how islam has anything to do with your evil country killing innocent people. Again you make fallacies and invalid statements about islam. I say atheism is a cancer in the world. It will truly destroy us.
13dachronic 3 months ago
@13dachronic I'm starting to think you may have me confused with someone else. I made a single comment pointing out mad the Islamatard was (yourself), and that's it. Your shit-stained excuse for a religion is the enemy of everything of value humanity has created thusfar. (One need only look at every Muslim-controlled government on Earth for self-evident proof). Either Islam will be eradicated or it will eradicate civilization. See you on the field.
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@jagovRUS well its you is the retarded nationalistic asshole who supports your shitstain underwear named leopoldmarsh. This conversation has nothing to do with you, so i dont know why you replied. I guess you and that other fellow fall in the NRA. Nationalistic Retarded American. You happy.
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@13dachronic
It's strange. You keep calling me a nationalist without even knowing whether or not I was an American.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
Islam is a putrid cult based on Iron Age myths. Your god is the Jewish tribal god that miraculously survived the past few thousand years.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic
By the way, find an alternative word for 'sheep'. Using the exact same over and over again just makes you seem like...a moron with nothing better to say (which you are). But if you wish to give the illusion that you have some semblance of intelligence, I'd find an substitute.
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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@13dachronic
By the way, don't lie, I noticed that you posted comments on that Richard Dawkins video (watch?v=yhVQcs4ZqwA) as early as two days ago. Liar, much?
leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
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leopoldmarsh 3 months ago
@13dachronic Presumably you are aware that the Roman Catholic Spanish and Portuguese had gone the the Americas with the EXPLICIT intention of taking possession of all their lands, property and wealth? The last South American civilisation had fallen to the Spanish by 1530, a continent of slaves. The Portuguese began the trans-Atlantic slave trade IMMEDIATELY. I presume you know that only 5% of the slave trade was British American? Do you even know how old the was US when it abolished slavery?
ritchloui 3 months ago