To Shin Do Ninjutsu Ninja Vs MMA

[trolltrumman]

This style is better than That style!

No it isnt!

Yes it is!

No it isnt!

Yes it is!

No it isnt!

Yes it is!

...seriously, if you lot used HALF of the energy you waste on arguing what fukkin style is the best to acctually TRAIN, you'd be good fighters in no-time :)

[robocoastie]

well said, so many people have lost (or never had) the Do in their "art" that it's pathetic.

[Tryathlete77]

The problem with this type of staged fighting there are too many rules. How many rules do you know of when someone jumps you on the street?

[robocoastie]

That's true. It's been pointed out before that the Gracies set the octagon and its rules up to favor the ground fighting/wrestling that it's become. So for the SPORT that it is, as it stands now it's probably the closest we can come to knock out drag out full contact. But an "art" it is not. The snot nosed punks with their potty mouths are not martial "artists" at all.

[nior000]

ninjutsu kicks ass!!!1 its much more elite then other styles, and fuck wat ppl say wen its not the syle its the fighter, yes that can be true on occasions but the sometimes styles just are better then others

[zoega5]

WOHO NINJUTSU FTW

[Tryathlete77]

I have never known anyone to train in Ninjutsu with gloves on or walk around the street with gloves on. Real hard to bend someone's finger back or put a wrist lock on when you or them wear gloves. Ninjutsu kicks ass on the street anyday.

[robocoastie]

these matches favor mma/bjj. The original first couple UFC octagon matches were unique because it was a first for various fighters to fight together. I remember the Karateka's come in their gi's and the boxers in boxing gloves. Now its just real WWF - wrastling with brutal unfair punches allowed which is the ultimate in dishonor. Once he's pinned he's out, don't let 'em punch their teeth out until they go unconscious or finally get the sense to "tap out".

[superdruid999]

ninjutsu doesnt just have wrist and finger locks, they have thair stricking and ground game aswell. these kind of matches could be usefull for ninjutsu practitioners to practise their stricking, kicking and grappling.

[superdruid999]

and wrist and fingerlocks are possible even when the opponent is wearing gloves (although more difficult). not that it matters anyway sinds those kinds of techniques are not allowed because you cant make em tapp out(its eather break bone and rip mustle and tendons or let go)

[Emblemz]

ninjutsu in mma....cant use real techniques....this guy must be one of the many stupid ninjutsu practioners who think they got it all.....ninjutsu is not supposed to be abused like this....but used in real danger situations or defence or protect...attack too if u wish.

[WhtMike2006]

Hardee crosstrains in Ninjutsu, BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and Boxing. He's my teacher and has been since early 1999. He's a great martial artist, an inpspiration, and a big brother.

[6738099]

okamininja is true and u guy are probably just blind and he is not a nerd cuz he listen anime i listen some myselfand why u guy always making a competition that u know can never be win or loss if u put a mma guy and a ninja in a fight one will lose and the hoter will win and after the guy make the diference not the sport he is praticing i will begin to learn mma next week and i still respect all martial art.and if u tink im a nerd lets try out our skill and fight ;D

[OkamiNinja7]

and thank you too man. aprreciate the help and for proving my point as well.

[robocoastie]

sure, just lift the rules so the ninja can drop some caltrops on the ground or broken glass all over and carry blinding powder and then let's see how fast you want to go to the ground. Allow those ninja tactics and the octagon tips quickly into the ninja or heck any traditional martial arts fighters favor. The octagon with its clean enclosed mat and area favors bjj and everyone knows it. It's become realistic WWF and nothing more.

[balletman]

It looked like a neck crank.

[FukYoMomma]

Technique is nothing.

Will is everything.

You doubt it?

Bruce Lee and Master Hatsumi both asserted that INTENTION (will) determines success.

Advantage rests with the person acting with the most willful intent.

[undisputedgreatest]

O.k. Liam Neeson. Technique matters quite a bit. Don't forget that. Everything matters.

[FukYoMomma]

"undisputedgreatest?"

SOMEBODY seems to be overcompensating for a small penis.

I dispute your alleged greatness, and I do it with intent.

[undisputedgreatest]

You're just jealous you didn't think of it first. And speaking of fucking mother's, your's wasn't complaining about the size of my dick, however, she did mention your daddy had a baby dick, that he passed on to you.

And as far as your "intent," what? Are you going to ask me out on a date? Because I know you don't have the balls to do anything else. Now, sit down, and shut up.

[FukYoMomma]

My intent is to challenge your vapid claim of greatness. Your alleged "greatness" is disputed.

My mother did not complain about your lack of your dick because she could not find it. Laughter is not a complaint. She thinks you are funny.

She told you nothing because she was laughing so hard at your urethral meatus positioning directly anterior to your pubic bone.

I don't date bitches like you, but I will rupture your tympanic membranes and fracture your clavicles.

Now sit down and zip it.

[undisputedgreatest]

However, the Road Warriors are the best tag team of all time. So, perhaps you aren't completely retarded.

[OkamiNinja7]

yeah, cuz jeet kune do is an evoltuionist style. mma is kinda evolutionist well it should be more, but it limits itself to just muay thai, kick boxing, and jujutsu.

[undisputedgreatest]

Okama Ninja? Interesting name...and life choice. However, MMA, is an acronym, standing for Mixed Martial Arts, meaning whatever works. If a technique works at a certain time, use it. MMA is a competition, not a style, it just so happens that Muay Thai, Boxing, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu are the most prevalent arts (because they work better.)

[OkamiNinja7]

thanks. but what i am just getting at is that no martial art is better then another. if you do mix a combination of styles like karate+judo+battojutsu+ninpo it will equal a samurai and ninpo style. im not saying that mma is bad, im saying that it isnt the best, but it does seek to eliminate weaknesses in different martial arts, and i respect that greatly.

[undisputedgreatest]

Are you aware that you are a nerd? Not that I am saying it is a bad thing, I was just curious if you knew that.

[OkamiNinja7]

doesnt make you a nerd, just makes you wise is all. i know a nerd, and i am NOT him. the only thing pretty nerdy about me that im aware of is that i like anime and i like martial arts. and thats it.

[jmm00702]

lol if u think liking martial arts is nerdy ur an asshole. go practice.

[russshoshu]

hehe man, these comments are just full of love arnt they. lol.

[OkamiNinja7]

thanks man. some people in the world need to get their ass kicked or need discipline. hell, both.

[OkamiNinja7]

yes, i am cuz they are sorta subjective. most people do not think so but i know so. each bujutsu has its own advantages and disadvantages depending on the situation.

[estif35]

no se ve bien

[UKJrocker]

I do ninjutsu its meant for situations when your a attacked or when your attacking the goal is always take em out(break arms wrists etc) and then get out of there

[OkamiNinja7]

no, no, no! styles don't matter what so ever. it is the artist not the art. seriously, who cannot get that in their head? no martial art is better than another. it is the practitioner that matters.

[yellowmon123]

lol yeah thats why skinny 160 pound unathletic royce gracie cleaned up at ufcs 1-4

[BloodyBen101]

martial arts can be better than others, if two practitioners are considered the same level in their arts, and they fight eachother and the outcome is dominant in one's favor then the winning martial art is better.

think of it this way, american money is worth more than mexican money, 10 times more. if you have one mexican dollar it is nowhere near as much as an american one. but you if you have 20 it is more than one american. this is how one can be better than the other,so does the practition

[OkamiNinja7]

i see where you are getting at ben, but it still isn't styles, it is practitioner. all martial arts have different advantages and disadvantages. i understand what you are saying man, but you have to look at advantages of the practitioner. for an example, okinawan karate has a close combat range but tae kwon do has more of a long range. if the karateka can get in close enough to avoid the tae kwon doka's range, then he would win. if not, he would lose.

[polywoly9]

very true man, in a lot of cases, styles make fights, fighter A beats fighter B, B beats C but C beats A. but there are certain martial arts that cover all bases, such as Jeet kune do, and these are the martial arts that are surpirior. JKD took some BJJ some boxing some kickboxing some wrestling and like 20 other things and blended them together

[robocoastie]

that's only because you presume TKD only deals with long range telegraphed kicks. Your presumption would be wrong. TKD has just as many close range movements in their drills, forms, and classes as OK does, you just don't see them because forms and one step events sadly don't make the money that kickboxing events on tv do. Of course how the HE-- NBC thought ping-pong was worth more to air during the olympics than TKD/fencing or judo on tv boggles my mind.

[OkamiNinja7]

i am not really presuming TKD as long ranged only but if it looked that way, then i apologize. i meant to say, TKD does more long ranged then close ranged but i was tryin to prove a scenario between two fighters.

[robocoastie]

i see. thanks for clarifying.

[Fernt]

This is not a view in line with an objective reality. It almost seems as though you are thinking of martial arts along the same lines as something subjective like film or music.

[BujinkanTurkiye]

Most of the times styles do not matter, it is the individual who wins. Actually most of the B.J.J. techniques are found in Bujinkan some examples are ; ArmBar-Juji Garame , Chickenwing-Takeori, Basiclock-Onikudaki.

Only difference is about thinking. Bujinkan is more self defense and think of many attackers and does not like to stay on the ground on that matter but still if you want to train ground fighting it is there. Just takes effort and sweat to gain it. Just keep training.

[ninja1618]

Technically "this" isn't bujinkan anymore, its toshindo, although it is heavily bujinkan influenced from Hayes training under Hatsumi.

[WraitheDarkbane]

Of course many techniques are in multiple martial arts. Why? Because they are all done by humans and the human body only moves in so many ways.

I find it amusing how people tend to point out the similar join manipulations but miss out on how they all have the simple things like punches.

[Gauntlets]

Da point is dat da Bullshido ppl are all talk with very little sustance. Look up Anthony Aska vs Rudy Abel. U'll see what I mean.

[Gauntlets]

Ay! Dis should b a video reply 2 Bullshido's "Ninjas Suck" vid.

4 those who don't know, Bullshido is a group of MMA meatheads dat think styles matter in fights so they bash on other styles. Ha! One of 'em damn near got his ass whooped by a kung fu fighter.

[haschid]

Because it is not true.

[haschid]

Correcting my last post: "Before 17th century there were only 'sword' schools in Japan." Jujitsu was a term used to represent the unarmed part of a school, in SOME schools. It was not meant to represent a particular style or fighting art. Only the unarmed part of some schools. At least until 17th century when the firsts "Jujitsu Schools" started to apear. I don't have anything against any school or martial arts. I just don't like the "jujitsu is the older of martial arts" crap being spread.

[Seifer720]

I am a practitioner of Traditional and Modern Jujitsu and You are 100% Correct Many Japanese styles of Martial Arts were taken from Traditional Jujitsu for example Akido, Judo, Ninjitsu, Karate and yes also Brazilian Jujitsu which was made famous by the Gracies but not created by them just to name a few. Traditional Jujitsu is the Mother Art of all these styles all these styles i mentioned are just small pieces of a big puzzle.

[haschid]

Are you realy saying that karate came from Jujitsu? Ninjutsu came from jujitsu??? Do you even know what Jujitsu is? Jujitsu is a modern name. From the end of the 17th century. There were ninjas centurys before the first time the word Jujitsu was said. And Karate came to Japan in the 20th century. It came directly from China to Okinawa. No samurai ever (I mean EVER) practiced Karate. Before 20th century there were only "sword" schools in Japan. And by sword understand traditionaol weapons.

[Seifer720]

Let correct my previous post as I was half asleep when i posted it no karate and ninjutsu do not come from Jujitsu and I never said Jujitsu is the older of Martial Arts I'm not sure where in my post you got that impression all I said its the Mother of Art as I read and was told by my teachers who studied under Supreme Grand Master Professor Florendo Visitacion better know as Professor Vee.

[Seifer720]

And to Answer your question Yes I know what Jujitsu is. Its an art of weaponless self-defense developed in Japan around the 1600's that uses throws, holds, and blows and derives added power from the attacker's own weight and strength used against them once again as I read and was taught by my teachers.

[haschid]

Well... I'm sorry if taked on you part of my indignation with some Jujitsu practitioners. Particulary with BJJ practicioners that say that Jujitsu is the older of Martial Arts.

[theunknownknows]

Ninjutsu has roots going back over 1100 years. Read some of Stephen K. Hayes' books on the history of the art. Its roots go far outside of Japan.

[johnkauf1]

Guiellten

[shingoukenpo]

NICE

[Swiley117]

The video quality is vey bad. I can't tell what submission was used. What event was this in? I'd like to see a better angle of the fight. Was the event recorded professionally?

[raidenvssolidsnak]

Ninja Hardee Merritt of Steven Hayes To Shin Do ninjutsu uses the ground flow matterial taught to black belts to -win- a cage fight ;)

[conan700]

I currently train Bujinkan Ninjutsu and have trained To-Shin-Do in the past. Advanced ninjutsu is more about a mind set and feeling than specific techniques. It's about using whatever is at your disposal including BJJ if necessary. Bujinkan Grandmaster Hatsumi said "If it saves your life, it was good taijutsu". Most arts that include grappling have very similar techniques to Ninjutsu. Usually the difference is slightly in how it's applied. Hardee was my very first instructor and I respect him.

[jonmar80]

Of course he would not be able to use his toshindo training (it is self defense, not sport). MMA has rules to be followed for the protection of the combatants. In self defense rules go out the window.

[jonmar80]

Bujinkult- If you hate ninjutsu so much why even waste your time with it (making videos and so forth). You're obviously not a martial artist or you would have more respect for people and what they decide to study. I train with Hardee, and he is a fantastic Martial Artist and a very nice person. It's sad you make judgements about a art before you have probably even studied it.

[mlndstream]

The problem with comparing ninjutsu with mma is that the really effective stuff that ninjutsu offers is forbidden in mma rules, eg eye gouges/rakes, neck/throat strikes, testicles strikes and small joint manipulations etc...also the focus in ninjutsu isnt just organised ring/cage fighting one-on-one on a padded floor with a ref, its also about weapons etc...so in the end to win under mma rules you have to train for that theatre, whoever has trained the most for mma rules and environment will win

[Bujinkult]

"Hardee Merritt...has an extensive martial arts training and instruction background that adds to his value as an instructor. He holds a Blue-Belt in Brazilian style jujitsu, a fourth degree Black-Belt in To Shin Do Ninjutsu, and has six years of Mixed Martial Arts training that includes putting it to the test in the ring fighting."

That's from his bio. Let's be honest, he clearly used his BJJ and MMA more than a To Shin Do drill here. Do I need to start making To Shin Do scam videos too?

[scotttealey]

Then why don't you ask him which training played a role, Mr. Kult. You've probably never met Mr. Merritt have you. All great ninjutsu practitioners have varied backgrounds. Look at Hatsumi sensei's background. He studied MA since he was a child, but didn't start Ninpo until he was a grown man. That means nothing, it's what he actively TRAINED IN BEFORE and APPLIED that counts. Every technique and strategy used is also in To-Shin Do. BJJ did not originate this type fighting...wake up. :)

[danedavidson]

26 secs?

00:08-00:55 = 47 secs (approximately)

Why would you lie so blatantly about something like that?

[WaiteDavid137]

Listen to the anouncer who quoted a time as recorded by the refs from bell to tap. duh

[Y4n0sUk3]

sorry but toshindo is nothing close to real ninjutsu,toshindo modified 900 years old tehcniques into modern life but loose all his essence and efficaty, strop naming Toshindo Ninjutsu !!!

[wishnxg]

Yeah, if the guy used REAL ninjitsu, he'd disappear in a cloud of smoke, pop up behind his opponent, and stab him in the butt with a shuriken.

But that's not allowed in MMA... So he had to make concessions.

[WaiteDavid137]

You are a crank.

[ninja1618]

From now on every time I say Toshindo, it will be stated Toshindo ninjutsu just for your sake.

[botoshi4]

Thank you

[donmay1]

Sorry to inform you otherwise, but To Shin Do is Ninjutsu in it's purist form. An Shu Stephen Hayes is the western Worlds most foremost expert on Ninjustsu. Have authored more than 20 books on the subject, he is Hatsumi Sensei's personal student. To Shin Do is just the name given to his system . As a seniour practitoner I am ranked here in the US and also out of the Bujinkan in Japan. The roots are all the same, in the US or Japan. I suggest you research before making Such comments

[seadawg93]

Why would you need to make a scam video. Even if he did use BJJ, he obviously is an experienced fighter who finds his ToShinDo training to be useful.

Are saying that To Shin Do is a scam, even though experienced fighters and martial artists think it is worth their while!?  Just to be clear, I'm not fan of Hayes or To Shin Do, but so what -there obviously must be something to it.

[botoshi4]

Sorry to inform you otherwise, but To Shin Do is Ninjutsu in it's purist form. An Shu Stephen Hayes is the western Worlds most foremost expert on Ninjustsu. Have authored more than 20 books on the subject, he is Hatsumi Sensei's personal student. To Shin Do is just the name given to his system . As a seniour practitoner I am ranked here in the US and also out of the Bujinkan in Japan. The roots are all the same, in the US or Japan. I suggest you research before making Such comments

[tadashiki]

i have to back this guy.......i study toshindo and bujinkan . personaly, i do not find toshindo as effective. toshindo is all about money.

[jdminton]

Where did you study To Shin Do in Sweden? I was just curious because I don't know if whoever is teaching it there is a qualified teacher? I study both and they teach the same principles. To Shin Do was designed to teach them in a more mordern style. I'm not sure where the "money" comes into play.

[tadashiki]

dont be so defensive!.....I gave a personal opinion " i prefer bujinkan". I trained in the uk . I agree, toshindo has some good stuff......love the knife work.....i still prefer bujinkan. I stick to my words.....everything is still govened by the top dogs.......alot of unnecessary merchendise students beleive they must have.

I will admit, alot of the street stuff is good, and would recommend it for defence!.

[jdminton]

Who was being defensive? I simply asked where you studied and asked for clarification on the "all about money" quote.

[scotttealey]

I concur with Mr. Minton, I don't see how you've come to this conclusion.

[WillCarrollTV4]

@Y4n0sUk3 To Shin Do is so close to real nijutsu! It is more then that. To Shin Do is more then that. It is ninjutsu mixed with American Fighting Styles! So To Shin Do would be better then ninjutsu

[eikonikos]

WTF? ninjutsu is the best martial art in the world. First of all the mma fighter should be losed his eyes....

[WaiteDavid137]

Why break the rules and go so harsh when the ninja didn't have to in order to win?

[Ninetennine]

Excuse my ignorance here, but who is who. lol

[WaiteDavid137]

According to the description, the guy who one is the ninja.

[WaiteDavid137]

won, lol

[silatyogi]

GOOD JOB

[shintogunjin]

hey that was bad ass