VTAC 9-Hole Rifle Drill

[shark3355]

cool drill

[scdefion]

SGM , is there a height over bore issue with the EO tech when it is turned on it's side like that ? I guess what I am asking is how do you compensate for it ?

[VikingTactics]

@scdefion The issue is fixed with aiming slightly high to the magazine side at 100 yards, more distance more hold.

KL

[SirScarecr0w]

2:01 why bend over like that and not just urban prone? it'll be safer and better on your back.

[TheAce22716]

Only change I would make to this drill is require that the shooter stay behind cover. Increases the difficulty by making them shoot offhanded on the far left holes.

[VikingTactics]

@TheAce22716 We do that sometimes, but for the initial drill we want to keep it simple. It is also good to force guys to use support side with your technique.

When they master this, make everyone shoot with one hand.....

[AlexPetersen1]

Great shooting, Kyle!

Question: How much would, lets say: A flashlight mounted on the barrel, decrease your precision? - Not that i would ever do this, just wondering. :)

[VikingTactics]

@AlexPetersen1 It would be degrading to your accuracy. This is especially true if you touch the light against anything.

Kyle

[8s8lw8d]

Thank you, Kyle. Very helpful. Best, Jim

[mistergrin]

I love how you can hear the rooster's crow in the background. I don't know, but I just love that sound.

[8s8lw8d]

Kyle, I meant "...how you determine...", not "...who you determine...". Sorry, typo. Jim

[8s8lw8d]

Impressive stuff, Kyle. We met through Jamie W a number of years back. I have a question. Would speeds improve significantly enough to matter if you inserted less of the muzzle of the weapon into the hole, thereby shortening the total time to infil and exfil your weapon? I ask this while noting the time you shot was extremely fast already. Looking for your expert advice on who you determine how far to stick out of the hole and why. Jim

[VikingTactics]

@8s8lw8d Thanks for the feedback.

I am pushing just enough through to clear the muzzle or get support on the free float tube.

If this was a window I would not stick my weapon through that, but for this drill we are trying to get shooters to get some support if possible.

If I stay back there is also a chance I will shoot the barricade. The view is the same for a bad guy at 200 yards whether I am in the slot or back a foot, no depth perception so might as well have support for the weapon.

Kyle

[VideoGameBandit]

Kyle I would love to build one of those barricades but there is no way I'll be able to fit something like that in the trunk of my sedan. Have you ever seen an alternative barricade design that is more compact but allows similar skill development?

[VikingTactics]

@VideoGameBandit I think if you could just make the bottom half of the barricade you would be set. This would allow you to work on the most difficult positions.

Kyle

[lilJayer]

Wouldn't it be easier to go prone for those last few shots? Instead of being completely sideways

[VikingTactics]

@lilJayer Sure, whatever works for you, it is faster for me to stay in the Broke Back Prone.

KL

[mrsuperterd]

would it be useful to practice this with a shotgun?

[VikingTactics]

@mrsuperterd Like the call sign.

Shotgun is fun for this drill, may beat you up a little but it is a great time.

Kyle

[3GUNDVC]

We built your barricade over here. Got your book Kyle, great work! Thanks!

[Ghillie1337]

real nice sound on the rifle :D

[yaobear17]

Pure mastery! Check out how Mr. Lamb works his safety as he works through the drill. AWESOME!

[TheHossUSMC]

I was always taught never to stick my muzzle through a hole, window, etc.. why do yall do it this way?

[VikingTactics]

@TheHossUSMC Me too, and that is not what we are teaching here, we are teaching obscure shooting positions. If we have a car to shoot under we shoot under it, a drain hole in a parapet we shoot through it, (I actually put my muzzle in that hole so I don’t shoot concrete).

If the bad guy will see my muzzle I don’t expose it.

Kyle

[TheHossUSMC]

@VikingTactics Gotcha

[humboldtgunguy]

watching yall play in the mud just makes me wanna shoot. here i am trying to stretch the time i have to leave for work to watch a few more gun / training vids. o well, today is payday, so il be playing in the dirt soon enough.

[jpugh216]

Where do I find the templet for the barracade? I'd like to make one.

[VikingTactics]

@jpugh216 Normally the plans are on our web site but we just changed to the new site so I've included a link to the PDF in the drill description. They are also in our book, Green Eyes and Black Rifles.

Kyle

[dreamz0ne]

SGM..Tried this positions with irons, its near impossible to get the sight aligned. Maybe im doin it wrong, i totally gave up on cheeking the stock, had to put my eyes so close to the rear sight that my nose is taking the recoil, i know its 556 not 308, but stil..any pointers?

[VikingTactics]

@dreamz0ne Try this, get your sights aligned with the weapon in the normal position, then roll down into the awkward position while looking at the sights the entire time. Do this a couple times and it should become more natural.

Let me know if this works for you.

Kyle

[dreamz0ne]

@VikingTactics .....thanks, I'll try it as soon as i get to shoot..

[tgace334]

I really appreciate how SGM Lamb does his own demos. There are far too many instructors who prefer to teach with their mouth only.

[catching45]

Anyone want to make a recommendation on knee pads? Or what are they wearing?

[theblackkknight1]

@catching45

you can get knee pads at home depot for cheap.

[TheTaco86]

I love this drill! Good shootin SGM!

[MrRevolution79]

in most of cc battles you wont have even 25 sec in a single position if you want to be usefull and alive, most likely you will run into an ambush.

[silvermediastudio]

Why the bent-over position instead of going prone? Seems a bit awkward, and downright impossible if you were wearing full IOTV with groin protector. Also, I imagine it would be faster to start at the bottom and work your way up.

[VikingTactics]

@silvermediastudio Prone is better, but what if you can’t go prone? Better to practice now, around vehicles this is quicker than prone. Even with the IOTV.

Try bottom to top and top to bottom and see what time is faster. I prefer to use gravity...LOL

Kyle

[silvermediastudio]

@VikingTactics Thanks for the quick reply. I'll definitely add this to the list of drills to try, my club doesn't have a barricade like that so there's a little work to do but shouldn't be too difficult. I hear ya about using gravity, will have to try it both ways. I guess all the re-positioning he had to do at 1:45 and then 1:54 threw me off, I liked how 2nd shooter used support hand palm-down under the foregrip, looked real solid.

Thanks for putting these vids on the web!

[labartic]

Do you guys plan on doing some ATACS pattern stuff?

[letterman96]

That was some good shootin'!

[jawinge]

WTF????  :D

[daharde]

I don't know guys...I think the last shot should have been left-handed. And even the second-to-last had your boots visible.

[VikingTactics]

@daharde During that particular drill we were trying to get the point across that we were teaching different positions. If we had stated you must use the barricade for cover, you are correct. This barricade is merely to enhance our ability to force folks into different positions.

Thanks

Kyle

[tapper45]

nice drill concept.

when i get my lanes re-dozed i'm going to build one of these.

[USpatriot741776]

Kyle,

Thank you for posting such interesting and innovative training videos. I was wondering where to get a barricade like this and the one in Highsmith drills. And why don't we shoot moving backwards?

Thank you.

JAWS

[VikingTactics]

@USpatriot741776

We have a PDF of the barricade plans we can email you.

Please go to our website and drop us an email with a reference to You tube.

Thanks

Kyle

[sisasif]

Kyle,

Can you tell me what hard and soft malfunctions are? I heard some SF guys talking about them!! I have never heard those terms in relation to shooting. Thanks a bunch,

Ryan

[VikingTactics]

Ryan

I would imagine they mean Immediate Action and Remedial Action Malfunctions. Immediate being addressed with SPORTS and Remedial addressed with more intense clearance procedures.

Kyle

[tapper45]

@VikingTactics

that's a fact.

sorry i chimed in late.

[sbd45acp]

Great vid & production! Looks like LH fingers came close to being covered by muzzle at #5 hole. May just be camera angle. But obviously he had the safety on. Good work

[Nick710]

Great point about the safety manipulation. During some training I did with Jim Smith he had us going to safe between all reloads as well.

[imperialfleet1]

The sound quality is high enough that if you listen closely you can hear the safety being manipulated between shots (as well as see it). Great video. Thank you for the training.

[dnikkels36]

Are you manipulating the saftey after every shot, as you transition from hole to hole? Or are you leaving it off safe after firing the first shot?

Thanks,

Danny

[VikingTactics]

DN

If I am moving I always attempt to get the weapon on safe, if you are just moving from one hole to the next sometimes there is not enough time.

If you have to change positions then definitely.

Kyle

[Chad3098]

Nicely done, I wish we did these kinds of drills in the Marines. I would have liked to see your groups though.

[VikingTactics]

Chad

We were shooting on a MGM VTAC Bcczone. It's a steel target that is the same size as an IPSC target without the D zone.

Kyle

[marshallone]

Your execution of the basics, sight picture, trigger control, etc make it look slow, but the timer and the hits tell such a different story, brother. Very nicely done. Every shot with intention and attention, the results that speak for themselves.

[bigwaterhunter]

Great Drill, can see some our authorized "carry" patrol people praticing with this method. Wanted to ask the size of the stell target you are using, possibly ody or the smaller plate ?

[VikingTactics]

Bigwater

The steel is the VTAC BCCZone from MGM Targets.

As shooters become more advanced we will make them use the small plates.

You can also move the targets closer or farther depending on the skill level.

Hope you like the videos.

Kyle

[ZippyGaloo]

Shouldn't he be switching to his support side so he maintains his cover? If someone was firing back he could potentially get hit sticking out like that.

[VikingTactics]

Zippy

The drill is actually intended to get shooters to use what they can. Once they are comfortable with all of the positions we make them use cover as much as possible.

Hope you like the drills.

Kyle

[oef24]

Kyle,

Can you post a video on your standard carbine grip/hold and how you manipulate your light? Thanks!

[matthewcody]

CSM,

I wonder how this drill changes for those of us who have to wear IBA or IOTV and oodles of gear and simply cannot get that close to the ground. I've never seen a prone position quite like that for the last three shots... I suppose that position was designed for those who wear body armor, but it still looks very difficult.

I love your sling I got at 21st a while back!

Thanks for the vids.

--MDB from LF

[VikingTactics]

Matt

Put all your gear on and try it out, I think you will be surprised at how well it works.

We use that position just because of the gear, hope you have fun standing on your head. LOL

Kyle

[matthewcody]

I'll give it a try, but I'll be sure to have a buddy around in case I can't get back up. Perhaps future editions of your book should include it?? A man at the local gun club made your barrier.... I'll give it a try next time.

Thanks again.

[rangerman375]

and good clean fun like this is why I subscribed. Thanks for putting these out.

[funforall808]

Wheres this happenin at?

[funforall808]

nevermind... i feel really stupid. i skimmed through it the first time i watched it and wasnt even payin attention

[slewcrew]

I need to work for Viking Tactical, I wonder if he's hiring! Great job as always.

[davesugg]

Great drill that shows how well Brokeback works, but someone needs to silence the Gallus domesticus ;-)

[JimTL1000R]

i always learn something from these vids. I notice or it seemed they put there rifles on safe for ever port they shot from. Hmmm.

[SWM952]

Nice drill. Looks like Kyle can get pretty good accuracy with the barrel of the gun resting on the barricade. (3:08,3:13, 3:17).

[VikingTactics]

SWM952, RESTING the barrel on the barricade (mostly) works. Any sort of pressure on the barrel when it's on the barricade will severely affect accuracy (by as much as 2-3 feet at 100 yards).

-Kyle

[juggernautbjj77]

Do you always shoot the drill making contact with the barricade

[VikingTactics]

Juggernaut

Normally for the 9 hole drill we do touch the barricade. We do this because we are shooting targets at extended ranges. If we practice shooting without the use of the barricade for support, we normally do that through a target with holes cut in it. We use the cardboard targets because the barricades wont last long when we back off from the barricade, targets are cheaper than plywood.

Hope this helps

Kyle

[juggernautbjj77]

Very helpful. I like the idea of using cardboard. Thank You

[tankdogg7233]

excellent drill 5/5