naginata

[progamer11092]

I seen about 80 D.K.O.s in that HAHAHAHHAHA lol.there hardly block or parry what-so-ever

[HadesOmega]

I don't think it matters what gender's weapon it is, its universal, its deadly in the right persons hands. Once the battle begins its on like donkey kong.

Naginata has good range but once you can get past that range with a sword its not effective anymore. The naginata is also slower than a katana, when I ishujiai with naginata I can see most of the attacks coming, it has so much power though, its that mechanical advantage.

[commandouma]

@HadesOmega Although it may be slow, if you're good enough with it, feint attacks. They'll bring their guard up, leaving you an opening. The length of it is good for that.

[killgore333333]

these women arent agressive enough

[Deathwing2]

I would like to get into Naginata, but isnt it considered a women's sport now?

[killgore333333]

yes it was recognised as a weapon that females could pick up and use for self defense seeing that in order to be proficient in it dosent require alot of training.

But its origin is that of japans most feared weapon used by officers.

It wasnt its reach or its balance/weight that made the naginata formidable( while both were a factor) it was a skilled fighters ability to use the naginata to switch from short to medium to long rage melee combat on the fly .

[maggot6460]

only in kendo, the naginata is actually a mans weapon, it was used on horseback. Although samurai woman did use this weapon because it would give them distance against an opponent.

[gpmullins]

im a usa and i think the naginata is a very beuatiful weapon and should be reveard as well as the cross spear

[Mateoryt]

jakie pokraki ja pierdole...

[buskowiak]

A to czemu? Przeciez nawet ich nie widać dokładnie..

[HeresToHopingForHell]

they sound like dolphins. ^_^

[c00lwatter]

"WRAAA WAAAA, RAAAAAA... click click" lol.

[LeaperAmongsUs14]

this is pretty cool I was thinking of taking something like to to.

[tuber52]

ohhh cool, it seems a lot like kendo but in a wider range, and no side shots

[lolinternetslol]

No side shots? You can hit both sides of the do.

[tuber52]

do?? no clue what that is, im talking about like hitting ppls rib area

[lolinternetslol]

Yeah the do is the chest protector. Shots to that area are fine, although chances are you won't be able to land a hit on that area with a naginata.

[tuber52]

yeah thats what i meant its goin to be hard landing sidde shots

[chucknorrispranks]

do is one of the most common cuts in kukishin ryu naginatajutsu...idk about sport naginata...but i know you can definately land do if you do it right. and tubor yeah do is liek between the floating ribs and the hips basically.

[lolinternetslol]

Its a common cut in jikishin too, but the general idea is that if the guy isn't in jodan or something other than chudan, you're probably not gonna hit it.

[tsunaxakari]

naginatas are the best

[MarsellaFyngold]

lol, ok, even though their posts are old, this goes to Shinsengumi77 and nyarltep. Shinsengumi77's right-- scoring is based off a philosophy called kikentaiichi ki - spirit, ken - weapon/sword, tai - body, ichi - one. The mind, body, spirit, and weapon are all one when you strike. Even if your technique and striking were perfect, if you can't tie your mind and spirit into it (the yelling of the targets represents your ki) then you don't get points for the strike.

[lolinternetslol]

Its not kikentai is not a philosophy.

[lolinternetslol]

oops, I meant ki ken tai isn't a philosophy*

[MarsellaFyngold]

*shrug* saying, idea, belief, philosophy -- I'm not sure what the technical term is, I just know that that's what sensei taught us. Mind/spirit, body, and weapon must become one.

[Shinsengumi77]

To help clarify, kikentai no ichi is a concept.

[FredDude27]

To further illustrate the point: The most frequent user of the naginata between 1100-1570's were the warrior monks of Japan.

[FredDude27]

Not exactly. The main poleweapon of the Samurai in the early ages (1150-1350's roughly) was the Naginata. The later became the main poleweapon of choice later on. This meant that there were naginata that was kept in the home and thus became available for women to use if the need arose. A naginata is a difficult weapon for anyone to learn and some of the old naginata could be up to 250 cm in length and most would be plenty heavy.

[darkrathamantis]

This is awsome, but I´m a kendoka 100%

[InsaneKamui]

I would love doing that, it's not just for woman though, right?

[koukenK3]

Nope, it's for everyone. A lot of guys practice Naginata

[lolinternetslol]

I'm a guy and I do naginata. In Japan something like over 90% of the people who do it are women, outside of Japan more than 40% of the people doing it are guys.

[robotmuffinz]

what the hell gave u the impression that it was only for women?

it takes a lot more skill to uses this than a regular sword

[Kiltmaster]

As far as I'm aware, in ancient times, it was traditionally considered a "woman's martial art", whilst the swordplay was considered to be something for the menfolk.

And neither shinai nor naginata is "easier to use." They both have their merits and downfalls. For example, a shinai is about half the length of a naginata, meaning that the naginata-user will have much greater reach compared to the shinai-user. Similarly, if the shinai-user gets close enough, the naginata user would be in trouble

[DiVeronica]

I like the way this looks more than kendo with katanas.

[Aureliano5174]

i really hope that no one does "kendo with katanas"

[harrytrriper]

wenn das in japan ist warum sprecht ihr im hintergrund deutsch ?

[hanabira]

ganz einfach... das war eine reise mit der sportjugend nach japan. in meiner gruppe waren 8 deutsche. an dem tag waren wir zum naginata training eingeladen, sie haben uns zuerst etwas vogemacht und danach konnten wir es selbst ausprobieren. sie haben uns halt paar einfach sachen beigebracht!

[Eliconean]

Personally I prefer the sort ones... I mean that the naginata I have and use for practice is shorter, about 1.60 metres, although once in a dojo I used the longer one. (and before set me on fire, remember that I'm not japanese :P)

[KendoSoldier88]

Looks interesting.I dont know to much about naginata-jutsu.

[PsychoHellKat]

looks like fun! i wana try it! :P

[AlanMolstad]

I have heard of Kendo before, but never of this sport.

Could you tell me about the hitting of the legs?

Thats very different than what I have seen of Kendo.

[polotemy]

It is different, cos naginata historically were the reason of japan's development of the shin armor in their feudal ages. The main style of attack for soldiers wielding the naginata ws slashing the legs. =X

[GTStevo]

hot

[nyarltep]

are these beginners?

or is the fighting very stylized?

i ask because they appear to be quite clumsy and unsure of even the most basic blocking, parry or reposte

[hanabira]

this is a practise, that means not a real fight. they just show some technics

one of them is a top master of japan! (the old woman who is talking ^^ )

[nyarltep]

i see

it appears they have not mastered the most basic weapon fighting techniques, block, parry, reposte

[Shinsengumi77]

you're a european fencer aren't you? in kendo and naginata it's hard to score points, and getting hit can mean nothing (opposite from fencing, where it's first one to hit scores). Defense is not as important as offense in both sports, as they value confidence and an aggressive spirit. Of course, both have defenses, but attacking is more valuable and harder perfect. I used to fence, but changed to kendo, b/c I prefer the 'perfection of attack' in kendo and naginata. hope this helps.

[ablairmekkis]

@Shinsengumi77 Electric ruined fencing with the exception of epee. Sabre was dead the second it turned into wire tag. Foil suffered with the loss an extended arm indicating of right of way. I practice Arnis now.

[Shinsengumi77]

@ablairmekkis Exactly why I left.

[lolinternetslol]

The thing is, unlike modern sport fencing, points in naginata-do are awarded more for what would actually cut than making any contact at all like in fencing.

[Jericho11894]

@nyarltep My thoughts exactly, if they can't simply block, and if this was the japan feudal era, they probably be dead.

[KentAllard]

'samurai' refers to a specific type of male of the warrior class, exactly what we think of when we think of the name samurai. 'onna musha' although rare refers to the female equivalent of that man, women like Tomoe Gozen. 'Buke no onna' was simply a female of this class, a wife or daughter or mother, 'onna bugeisha' would be a female in the infantry

[KentAllard]

hmm, I've come across an article that swaps the meanining of 'onna musha' and 'onna bugeisha'...oh well

[drosera99]

This argument is really a misunderstanding. There are two meanings of the word "samurai". One can refer to the class of samurai- those people who were allowed to carry swords and the other refers to the picture of warriors on the battle field. 999 times out of a thousand, the warriors on the battlefield were men (there are several exceptions) but women could be part of the samurai social class.

[kyoukan91]

to disprove all this it was a womens weapon no it wasnt it was widely used from a samurai on horseback... and for all you retards out there samurai were NEVER women thank you goodbye

[tadanokami]

You are correct it was not a womans's weapon until later. As time went on women have assumed the role of this weapon more & more. However you are quite wrong about the NEVER statement. Tales of courageous and devoted samurai women abound in the epic "Heike Monogatari". chief among these is Minamoto Yoshinaka's wife, Tomoe Gozen

[kyoukan91]

actaully women werent samurai ever.... they were called samurai women because there husbands were samurai.

[tadanokami]

For the most part you are correct, but you really need to look at Tomoe Gozen because she was a commissioned captain and samurai. You can not prove she was not. Anymore than you can not prove that many men who are described in Japanese history & legend were not. It may also grate on you to know that women were also emperors in Japan. You should really undertake a serior study of history before you use a word like NEVER.

[gerinania]

Then my character Amaterasu is a samurai woman. LOL! Thanks for the information. It's good nowing a new thing everyday :)

[Jugglingbuffoon]

It was traditionally a priest's weapon until people realized how useful it was. Then it became a commonly used weapon until the edo period when it became a symbol of a women's samurai status. My club is about 3/4 men. The teacher is a woman.

[0dessaPwns]

KOTE! TSUKI!

[Ncik666]

It was traditionally a womens weapon and it still is mostly done by women in Japan.

[masamune200]

Its not really traditionally a women's weapon. I guess most people assume so since it became mostly a women's sport during the meiji era. It was actually quite popular with Sohei as well as cavalry. The naginata was also well suited to being used form horseback (and against cavalry) because of its sweeping strikes. It was also used to make space on the battlefield. My club is mostly men, in fact.

[theicychameleon]

As far as I know it started out as a grunt/peasant weapon on the battlefield and the women started learning it to defend their husband's homes as it required less strength to use than a sword. Looks fun tho', wish someone taught it in Ireland:(

[XxemoxqueenxX]

Actually it was a warrior's weapon form the day it was created. However women of the samurai class were gradually excpected to know its technique so they could defend their homes, families and feifs whilst their husbands were away. It gave them an advantage against men becuase the length of the weapon prevented close-contact combat. It soon became a women's (warrior or noble) weapon.

[hanabira]

>_< i think you HEAR my group of germans .... actually there were no japanese girls at all.. just the woman you can see on the video <3

[boshiken]

i really injoy HEARING japaneese girls, exciting...

[BlackWaltz3]

Great Video! Did you know that in Japan, 90% of the practisers of Naginata-so are Female?

[Taiyoness]

Well, I believe that traditionally, it was a female weapon, wasn't it? Like, the samurai men would use the sword, and then the females would use the Naginata? I could be wrong though. ^^;;

[vonlau2]

Neh, You're right. Naginata was for women and the ken was for men. Nowadays, any sex can use any weapon(not that I'm against that. I'm no sexist here)

[rohimbo]

I think it was originally for men, but then women began to use it to defend the house when the samurai man was away.

So in modern Japan it's still mostly used by women.

[KentAllard]

Yes the men switched to the Yari (spear)