Alan Grayson: I Will Not Apologize- America Doesn't Care About Your Feelings

[SouthcoastG]

Fuck i thought all Americans were stupid!! We all just figured that you love a third world equivalent health care system. At least there is one person that understands something other than lining his own pockets.

[randomscience1]

And i will not apologize when I say.......

Bye bye you lying, arrogant, editing, gasbag! Call uhaul and load up you trailer trash and clear out now. Don't wait til jan.

Congrats florida - we are proud of you!

[sdmikev]

@randomscience1 When did Grayson lie? Project much? Be proud of getting out of your trailer and voting against your own best interest, dirtbag.



[randomscience1]

@sdmikev Taliban Dan ring a bell? Of course it does. Are you a Grayson staffer?

[sdmikev]

@randomscience1 That's not a lie, that's hyperbole. You do understand the difference, right? Or are you just really, really stupid?

[randomscience1]

@sdmikev It's a lie just as 'Saddam has wmd's".

You ARE a Grayson staffer. BYE BYE!

[sdmikev]

@randomscience1 so you DON'T know the difference between a lie and hyperbole.

Congrats, you're a moron.

[randomscience1]

@sdmikev Wow.  Have a good day.

[deeppurple28]

@randomscience1 Hey MORON! You still sucking Right Winged COCK Bitch??

[deeppurple28]

@randomscience1 STFU you Cock Muncher! The RepubliCUNT Debate proved Grayson's Die quickly statements to be true! Stupid fuck!

[Insaneindabrain35]

"America doesn't care about your feelings." Great quote.

[ben2point0]

You tell'em Grayson!

[kelvinjavier]

Just a few simple thoughts:

1) Will the cost of servicves for healthcare go down?

2) Will the federal budget for healthcare go down?

3) Will my insurance costs go down?

Right now the answer appears to be NO for all 3.

[purplexbuddha]

the public option is really the only thing the republicans don't want. this guy is a loon.

[Amicoyanez]

Go, Grayson, tonight! It is too important for hardworking Americans who work their butt off and still cannot afford any health care coverage and lose everything they have worked due to the horrendous medical bills! This is a disgrace and a big shame for such a great country! I cannot believe that the Dems cannot put the few left over Republicans into their place, after 8 years of disaster-government and many more years of distroying any chance for common people to defend themselves!!!

[kelvinjavier]

Health care cost will drop like a rock in 1 day if I can buy my insurance in a different state. At this time anti-trust laws allow insurance companies to control the market. The only good thing Obama wanted to do was to remove anti-trust laws, but that was not part of a politcal or economic philosophy. It was a reaction driven by vengence.

[kelvinjavier]

@Amicoyanez Healthcare would be affordable if it cost less. Sounds dumb? Of course it is obvious. How do you get insurance to cost less? Simple, allow me to buy my insurance in Vermont. Right now anti-trust exception and other various protections prevent me from doing so. As long as insurance companies are protected by these exceptions, there is no free market for insurance.

[sisque16]

@kelvinjavier Untrue. California has one of the largest markets of health insurance, yet premiums and deductibles are increasing as high as 39% until Blue Anthem dropped it. Massachussetts another great example mandates coverage, however premiums and deductible are increasing. Compare Frances' healthcare with any lassiez-faire model? This is what you get: less per capita spending, less costs per GDP, longer longitivity, cheaper drug cost, more innovation, and all this as a socialist model.

[kelvinjavier]

@sisque16 Californian's can't buy health insurance in Vermont. There is no competition in California. Mass can't buy health insurance in Vermont. The #1 most expensive state for insurance is Vermont. The #1 cheapest insurance is in Vermont. Citizens in VT can save a ton of mondy TODAY by just repealing anti-trust exception for healthcare. What you don't understand is there is NO COMPETITION. Companies inside each state have locked out the competition from out of state.

[sisque16]

@kelvinjavier Your assuming if there is more competition that the price will reduce, there is no evidence for your claim? Remember for HMO's to make money, they need healthy and sick people, deny coverage whom can't afford it, pre-existing conditions and increase rates. Preventative care or managed care works and reduces cost in the long term, France is the best example of this, name me one lassiez-faire model for healthcare that works?

[kelvinjavier]

@sisque16 Name me one universal system that works. France doesn't work. They need insanely large taxes to support it. Mark my words, were going to get a VAT tax like France.

[sisque16]

@kelvinjavier Where's your evidence? Taxes that's it? The US spends 8-9k versus France's 4k per capita, our healthcare will amount to roughly 16%-20% gdp by 2020, whereas France will be at 12-15%, cheaper drug costs, etc. As for taxes, France does pays more, but not for healthcare; when you consider costs of insurance in the US "adds in the costs of buying insurance and the higher out-of-pocket expenses for medicine, doctors and hospitals" the U.S pays more.

[Mom2Pug]

Thank you very much. We need more politicians like Alan Grayson who are not getting bribes/payoffs from the health insurance lobbyists and who speak for the majority of Americans.

[kelvinjavier]

American wants a market driven reform of the health care system, not a socialist one. Americians know socialism when they see it.

[sdmikev]

You couldn't define socialism on your best day.

Also, we've already tried a so-called market driven health care system and it's not fucking working. The entire rest of the world thrives on at the least a combination of private insurance with a single payer system as well. We could use a little of that kind of "socialism" here in the US.

[Speegs23]

May I politely ask how you define it?

[sdmikev]

Pure socialism sees the government controlling all the means of production.

I am certainly not against free enterprise, but I feel that the nation would be betteroff with some industries heavily regulated at the least. And history has proven me right.

[Speegs23]

I disagree, Europe is now reactionary against decades of this socialism lite policy making, bankrupt systems and stagnant growth and wages are part of that system.

Private enterprise drives innovation and lowers prices, government fixation does not, it stunts innovation and market paradigms.

[Speegs23]

america's budget woes are from big government and not limited government, this is just further government expansion and inefficiency.

[kelvinjavier]

For the purpose of health care, one that is not market driven and will be price controlled. That is the plan on the table today.

[kelvinjavier]

Health care is exempt from anti-trust laws. There is no market driven health care in the USA.

[kelvinjavier]

Thrives?  Oh really? You couldn't defing thriving on your best day.

[kelvinjavier]

@sdmikev . Health care has a special exception from anti-trust laws. There is no free market for health care. A report released Thursday by Department of Health found that cost are NOT going to be lower for services and the budget for healthcare will NOT go down. There is your 'thriving'.

[Sleeper99999]

@sdmikev Or hell, look at the Swiss system. Private insurance companies, but all of them are required by law to offer a certain level of coverage to any who apply for it on which these insurers are forbidden to make a profit. If you can afford better, you can have it, and if you have trouble paying, there are subsidies. There's your free market reform, and it's not even on the radar screen in American politics. Because it's not about making HC better, it's about keeping the profits high.

[rotcafarg]

Oh bullshit. It's not socialism. Do you think every other industrialized nation is socialist? Japan? Taiwan? Australia? Canada? Germany? Switzerland? New Zealand? etc etc etc.

[kelvinjavier]

I will bullshit your bullshit. Yes those countries are fare more socialist than the USA.

[rotcafarg]

@kelvinjavier It's true that the USA is far more conservative economically, (and politically and socially) than those other countries. Yet it doesn't make those other countries socialist. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production.

If we don't use words in a way that accords with their actual meaning then it's all just hyperbole and political bullshitting. The you start to sound like Sarah Palin.

[kelvinjavier]

Flash. Department of Health last week released a report that the bill will NOT control rising cost for services nor reduce government spending on health care. What ever you call it or wrap it, it is what it is and it does not look good.

[rustytylenda]

America cares about wasteful spending and raising taxes.....wait now....2:59...I will not..(though he voted for it)....STOP,,,,,this report with 44, 700 AMERICANS that die from ......this guy is full of it...........

[sdmikev]

where were all the caring Americans who are worried about spending during the Bush years when he was spending billions on contractors in Iraq and making tax cuts to the most wealthy??

[kelvinjavier]

@sdmikev Bush f-ing up the country does not give Obama the right to F-up the country in his way.

[rustytylenda]

Out of those 499, 000 people, ,how many READ THE BIILL? WHAT KIND O PORK WILL BE ADDED ONTO THIS BILL? If you/they sign it, please read it.

[seandex]

THANK YOU!

[independent684]

Alan Grayson, That's A straight shooter If Congress Ever Seen One, Remember Anything We Do In Life,Always Expect Some Type Of Criticism With No Foundation. And These Things,They Eventually Crawl Back Under Their Rocks.

[AshyKnux]

JimboVids .... where have you been for the last fucking eight years.. i was a republican but they are the biggest bunch of greedy bastards now I'm a Independent who wants obama to succeed

[Hvnly777]

Grayson ROCKS!!!!

[JimboVids]

Alan Grayson is just like Obama..... a fuckin' TALKER that gets nothing done. Just a big fuckin' mouth with no muscle. A fuckin bag of hot gas that won't lift off the ground. It's not impressive. The Dems are WEAK. Put your money where your mouth is, Obama-bots.....the fuckin' honeymoon is OVER

[Hvnly777]

Short and to the point..........Shut up!!! LMAO

[sdmikev]

No, I think Obama has been working hard to get things done in the US post Bush.

Tell me, fuck nuts, what exactly did Bush do that was good for the country in the entire 8 years that fucking piece of shit was co-president with Cheney? As for Grayson, he's working the hardest to get the healthcare reform that we need.

I know you hate black people and liberals like all the other shouters, but come armed with something if you're going to shout.

[Zephanus]

You come on a BIT strong, but I agree with you 100%. That 'co-president' thing cracked me up.

[independent684]

Slow Down There, Fast Ass, I Agree Totally With Your Comment Here .If alan Grayson Don't Ask These Questions Now Then Who, And When,Socialism My Be imment Who Knows How Much Debt These Clowns Hid In Their Maze Of Paper work In Washington, And If people Don't start Listening To This Guy ,We might find ourselves fighting Over 5.00 An Hour Jobs And Pay Stubs With Deductions From Foreign Nations. GFP 2012

[KarinWells]

Alan Grayson wins my "Star Spangled Spine Award."

I shall have to move to Orlando just so I can vote for him again and again.

We need a LOT more like him in Washington. But two (Obama and Grayson) is a good start.

[evanmfinn]

this dude wins the internet

[Sabiancym]

This guy is awesome. Good job.

[Fitzcard]

I got "Give complete control to the government or get the hell out of the way."

Also, bacon sammiches are good.

[Hvnly777]

Oh GMAFB!

[Lowry42]

At last-a Democrat who has a backbone!

Many of them seem not to realize that they won the election.

It's the Republicans who should be "put in their place".

[aradagebeya]

I loveeeeeeeeee this guy!!!! Ohhhhhhh I love this guy!!!

[lromfried]

Thank you Rep. Grayson. Well said... Finally, a Dem with guts. Don't give in!

[rodeojim1]

Absolutely excellent!! A Democratic representative that found his balls!

[darkmoonman]

BRAVO!!!!!

[independent684]

This Guy Deserves to be the first independent president To bad washington don't have more like him up there Looking out for the american people not right before a election and not under investigation. Rare.People in washington for decades run just to keep up with him The questions he's asking up there are long overdue and if he don't ask about these important issues in this country Now Were destin for doom.The country is already running on borrowed money from china Good job Florida

[Hardwyre]

What a tool. AMERICA wants health care that doesn't cripple or bankrupt the country (well, at least the working class America that actually PAYS taxes instead of the lazy liberals who mostly all live on the social system anyhow).

Lead, Follow, Or Get Out Of The Way... well, as George Carlin says, "...I obstruct." And until you all can come up with a better bill, I obstruct.

[dominegem]

Explain this to me, How is it going to bankrupt the country?? I just don't get it. The reform says that everyone has to have health insurance, either one run by the goverment or one run by the private sector. it is not like they are going to increase taxes, they are simply going to make a new public entity like the police. each person has to pay for that health insurance, so I just don't get the fiscal problem.

Now, I'm not attacking you. I sincerely want to know.

[Hardwyre]

The government runs on deficits/credit as is. We're trillions in debt as a nation, yet they're going to provide health care to anyone who wants it? Who's going to pay for it? If the people are paying for it, how does that in turn help the people who can't afford anything as is? The only reason Medicare has kept above water is because you're forced to pay into it, and only a fraction of the country uses it. The Obama administration is considering a national sales tax, aka VAT. Google it.

[BootBazaar]

Do you realize we are the only industrialized nation that does NOT have universal coverage, yet we PAY MORE than any other country, and we ranked 37TH in health care in a study done by the world health organization.

So you explain that to me, if you can.

You're being fed lies by FAUX, so get the freaking facts or SHUT UP and get out of the way!!

[kelvinjavier]

@BootBazaar We also don't have a healthcare police. Which we will now have. Healthcare police is a step in the wrong direction.

[BootBazaar]

@kelvinjavier

Just saw your message (haven't logged in for a while), but "health care police" (if you want to call it that) is EXACTLY what we need to keep the private insurers from doing whatever the hell they want. Denying whoever they want for whatever reason and kicking people off their coverage when when they get sick (rescission triggers). With 48,000 people dying PER YEAR from lack of health insurance these insurance companies sure aren't doing a very good job of "policing" themselves.

[BootBazaar]

@kelvinjavier

cont.

Unless you've been living in a cave (or only watch FAUX) you certainly know what kind of crap people pull when there's no one watching over them. Everything that went down with BP and the oil spill, the derivatives and bad mortgages that were designed to fail in the housing market, etc... and it's NO DIFFERENT with health insurance:

youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=_29CCVI1­ao4

So I would LOVE to hear how "health care police" is a step in the "wrong direction"!

[kelvinjavier]

@dominegem It will be called VAT. It is on it's way. Pelosi was already pushing for it before the healtcare act. It is the only way the socialist can get funds to pay for this.

[Ebm3Dls]

HA HA HA HA HA! I love it! You dumbass G.O.P tea bagger, conservatives can't handle the truth, what a f*cking fool u r. "I OBSTRUCT" the only thing being obstructed is your breathing, by the right wing NUTS that r in your mouth. Keep whining & crying, it's music to my ears.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls The truth is from the Department of Health last Thrusday. In thier report they found cost for services will NOT go down and the budget for healthcare will NOT go down. Who do I get to kick in the nuts for screwing that one up?

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier U Dumb F*cking T-Bagger, Shut the F*ck up! I bet U never read the actual report! U have no clue what UR talking about the report is pretty much the same as the report this same Actuary gave in Jan 2010 & it also backs-up many STRENGTHS of the REFORM. (this report was done due to the changes made during Reconciliation). None of the info is new or secret, it's the same info that was available B4 Reform passed & nothing in it conflicts with the CBO.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls Last Thursday the Department of Health and Human services released a report. The report stated that the healthcare bill will NOT reduce the cost of services and will NOT reduce budget for healthcare. Is this what you wanted? It is what you got. Can I kick you in the nuts to show my appreciation?

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier The CBO estimates look at the deficit. CMS is looking at total national health expenditures. This often confuses people into thinking that there's conflict between the 2 sets of #'s when there isn't: CBO says fed spending is going to go up to pay for the coverage expansion, but that savings & revenue will go up by even more, leading to a net reduction in the federal deficit.

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier CMS is looking only at the spending side. & here's what it finds: In 2019, implementation of the Reform will reduce the ranks of the uninsured by 34 million people & increase nation health expenditures by 1%.

& that 1% is actually 1% & falling: When the legislation is fully implemented in 2016, the spending increase will be 2%. But cost controls kick in over those years and bring it down to 1%.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls That is completely untrue. The CMS report actually states that by 2019 that without Obama healthcare reform the costs would be 20.8 GDP. The costs with Obama healthcare would be 21.1 GDP. So HR3962 is going to actually cost more and not save it.

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier Yeah it would be 20.8 of GDP with atleast 34 million more uninsured & with that many more uninsured where is the future reduction going to come from? So it's .3 of GDP higher with more than 34 million more insured & by 2019 many more cost control measures will be in place which will further slow the increase in HealthCare costs.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls Where does the report talk about cost control. Which page? I would like to see these cost control measures. You don't get additional .8 GDP with costs control in place. Page 1 of the October report is very clear. It talkes about the possible additional tax sources. Here comes the VAT. Why don't you just keep calling me a dumbasss. I think the more times you call me a dumbass, the more likely your version of the truth will be real.

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier Assuming the trend holds, the 2nd decade will see national health expenditures fall below what spending would've been if the bill hadn't passed. So that's the bottom line of the report: We're covering 34 million people & come 2019, spending is expected to be one percentage point & falling above what it would've been if we'd done nothing. So again what's really changed since his 1st report. Do some actual HOMEWORK DumbAss.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls Prove it. Where are your numbers? Who says expenditures will go down? Why am I asking? A report from Health and Humans Services says exactly the opposite.

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier Not to mention that no one has ever said we would be spending less $ 10 yrs, 20 yrs or 30 yrs than we are spending today. How f*cking STUPID are U? The goal has always been to reduce the rate that HealthCare cost are increasing. & this Reform does that unless the Republicans F*ck it up with future legislation (which is a likely possibility). Turn off Fox News & stop reading Cons Blogs MORON. & if U want to Kick some NUTS just take out the ones you've been T-Baggin & Kick them

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls Department of Health and Human Service is not FOX news. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is White House appointed personally by Obama. These are numbers from Obamas personal appointee. Although you would like to believe they are from FOX news they are not. If you voted to reduce the rate that healthcare is RISING, then you voted for NO change for the direction of the collaspe of the USA due to healthcare costs.

[Ebm3Dls]

@kelvinjavier Again DumbAss read the REPORT for yourself rather than just repeating the Conservative SPIN that you've been seeing on Fox & reading on Conservative Blogs.

By Richard S. Foster, Chief Actuary

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services

Office of the Actuary

April 22, 2010 (38 pages)

it's probaly not a good thing when you're using the same TALKING POINTS as BECK, LIMBAUGH & HANNITY. & while your at U may want to read his earlier report.

[kelvinjavier]

@Ebm3Dls It is actually 34 pages. Which page do you want me to look at?

[heliocentrist]

"liberals mostly all live on the social system?"

that's not true, Conservative states are tax consumers and Liberal states are tax generators. get your facts right.

[petebradt]

Thank you, Rep. Grayson, for saying what my own pathetic representative, Zoe Lofgren, will not. Donation sent.

[kelvinjavier]

@petebradt Unfortunately what we got is increased costs for services and federal budget for healtcare rising to 21.1 GDP by 2019. This is not healthcare that is going to save the country, it is going to bankrupt it.

[Hvnly777]

BRAVO!!!!

[kaminsrocks]

THANK YOU REP GRAYSON.

[bitnola]

You heard him.

Get outa the way! Especially you, Olympia Snowe.