This very scene is the battle in the presidential election of 2012. You have the original Patriot Ron Paul, a classical Liberal/Libertarian vs Big Empire (now seemingly staus quo) Republicans, who aren't really republican at all anymore are they, they may as well be called UK Tories, Authoritarian warmongers for power and gain at any cost. Maybe the US should have stayed a UK vassal state after all in light of what has transpired?
He would have us engage in world war between the major powers in europe when there is a grave chance of us losing due to the fact our military is still young and inexperenced!
Its good thing that Adams gave him the boot, or otherwise America would have been invaded and possibly conquered!
Alexander Hamilton believed that democracy was bad because it put stupid poor people in control of things. I think we can all agree thats pretty nasty.
are they trying to speak with a sought of developing accent, something that falls between an English voice and an America voice to show the accents in America gradually changing overtime?
Hamilton was a villian. He dreamed of conquest. And that goes against the spirit and principles of The United States. We do/should not go out in search of monsters to destroy.
What's with all these BS comments about Jefferson being an idealists whose ideas would not work?! What is so terrible about liberty? It's due to Hamilton that we are in the mess we are in today thanks to his idea of central banks and crony capitalism. Only a Jeffersonian can restore our great Republic.
HBO was going to do a 1776 series after the John Adams one. However, I suppose it will never be produced. I suspect they are afraid of fueling the Tea Party crowd.
If it wasn't for Hamilton, the USA would now be a fractured grab bafg of "Republics" resembling Latin America or the Balkans. Like it or not, he was right and Jefferson's unworldly vision of Arcadian philosopher states in a loose confederation (which never really existed even in his lifetime) was pure pipedream.
@archer1949 Governance based some vague hope of "Enlightened Self Interest" and wishful thinking ain't gonna do anyone any good. There needs to be hard, cold, WORKABLE Hamiltonian policy in all that fairy dust.
@archer1949 Hamilton could be considered a realist. Jefferson an idealist. But when looking at the world which they lived in, I would consider idealism a compliment. I believe Hamilton to be a patriot to America but far too European in his politics. His talk of conquering land and large centralized power is something you would hear from Britain or Spain. Im an idealist and a libertarian so I side with Jefferson. But I think even Hamilton would say the federalists have gone too far today.
@Jononutoob I am only referring to the Jefferson/Hamilton situation as it stood in context of the time. The way things are today is an entirely different video altogether. I am not touching that hornet's nest with a ten foot pole.
@Jononutoob Beside's his philosophy, I cannot comprehend the appeal Jefferson generates, his prefferd system of economy was flawed and his smear campaign against Hamilton could be seen as a catalyst for the creation of vulgur tabloids in the US. Why do you like him?
@TheSirPrise While I live, let me have a country, a FREE country. Jefferson and I share the ideas of what real freedom is. Modern day ideas of being free are a joke, a sad joke. Also I have never seen an economic system that was not flawed.
@Jononutoob That's true but have you ever seen a more efficient system than Hamiltons? He literally saved the United States from splitting because of the finnancial crisis. Also I believed that the strong central goverment is a better system for any country rather than the confederacy Jefferson had in mind, it was ideal, but never practicle so I see Jeffersons real life pursuit of it rather foolish.
@TheSirPrise Perhaps it was not practical because it was never practiced? Large centralized power was the very thing Americans died to get away from in the first place. When you centralize economics, you centralize power and authority. I wouldnt trust such power in the hands of saints.
@Jononutoob Well you see that is one of many reasons why I wanted the CSA to win in the American civil war. I wanted to see if a confederacy worked and would still keep said nation in a position of power and prosperity. Usually confederacies were present in smaller nations, or nations where religion was a ruling factor e.g. the Irish Catholic Confederacy. If the CSA had won and existed today, I would have liked to have seen the results and whether seperate bodies can move in the same direction.
@TheSirPrise I just wanted state rights to prevail. I like the idea of states maintaining their own cultures. Since the civil war states have been oppressed more and more by federal power. States now must enforce federal laws. States are now reliant on federal loans which cant be paid off. I would rather have a small and quiet America more so than an empire and trillions in spending/debt. This idea of perpetual debt is more dangerous than standing armies, because it is covert.
@Jononutoob If you crave that America than you realise that there must be a new leading superpower that fulfills similar roles to the United States. The US succeeded the UK, so something else must succeed the US. The EU isn't up to it and I am not comfortable with having China as the new leading superpower are you?
@Jononutoob To stop dictatorships and illegal invasions. Who would have stood up to the soviets in the cold war if the USA (of course other nations like the UK and France did, but I mean major superpowers) wasn't the main superpower? Who would have been the spearhead in the gulf war and help liberate Kuwait? That's why we need a superpower (or superpowers).
@TheSirPrise So we should dictate to the world our views to stop dictatorships? We should illegally invade nations to stop illegal invasions? America has puppet dictators all over the place and you are on here trying to tell me that America is stopping dictators. Is Saudi Arabia not a dictatorship? What is the difference between soviets selling arms to China or African dictators and America selling arms to Egypt or Saudi Arabia? If we cant be honest then we shouldnt be having this discussion.
@Jononutoob " we should dictate to the world our views to stop dictatorships?" The liberation of Kuwait is not forcing our politcal views on that country. And did I mention anything about performing illegal invasions???? Stop putting words into my mouth, it vexes me greatly as you're twisting my words and so you deceive people (hence the two thumbs up you got). Suadi Arabia has a stranglehold on the US because of its dependency on oil however, do you honestly think that the US could bring down..
@TheSirPrise I didnt put words in your mouth. I am trying to show you your own irony. You cant deny that America uses the same tactics that the soviets used so you resort to the argument that America is better than the others. Hitler could have made a similar argument as he was not as bad as Stalin. Either you have integrity or dont, either you are a morally superior nation or you are not. America cant use nations as chess pieces and then act like they are the moral ones.
@TheSirPrise Also if you think America doesnt put its views on other nations then you are naive and anymore dialogue would be piontless as I would have to teach you factual historical events which prove America has said one thing while doing another. When America overthrew Iranian democratically elected leader in the 50s, I dont think the Iranians thought"well those Americans sure are nicer than the soviets". I will admit America has a nicer face showing while they bend you over.
@Jononutoob all dictatorships in the world simultaneously? Now you will see it as hypocritical that were dealing with a monarcistic country such as Saudi Arabia however, it is something that is disgustingly neccessary if the US is to remain on top. I would have the US as the number one super power than countries like China and Russia any day of the week.
@TheSirPrise what makes an invasion legal as opposed to illegal? Who decided that? What makes a dictatorship of one man worse than a tyranny of bureaucrats? You don't seem stupid, but I don't think you recognize just how much of the constitution has been quietly jettisoned, and how unbalanced the power of the Fed vs. the States is. I also don't think you realize just how over the line the US has gone in the past 10 years with other nations.
@tikletik "What makes a dictatorship of one man worse than a tyranny of bureaucrats?" At least you're able to get rid of bureaucrats, good luck getting rid of a dictator without outside help, especially if their source of power was from a millitary coup.
@esoberanis09 I never said it didn't have flaws, an perfect system cannot come from an imperfect source, but if you detest it so much can you suggest something better?
Hamilton was the greatest of the Founding Fathers, far ahead of his time, and largely misunderstood. He was about promoting national unity, the supremacy of the Constitution, economic modernization and industrialization, and commercialization. Our entire existence as a single union can be credited to Hamilton... secession lead to the dissolution of the USA, not force, force reunited the Union in 1861... Hamilton was 62 years early on his prediction.
I think people are missing the overall point of the last part of the miniseries. Adams, like Washington, found himself in the unenviable position of trying to mediate between the widely divergent views Jefferson and Hamilton.
In the end, perhaps history shows that the bonds that were forged between Adams and Jefferson won out in the end. Though they disagreed greatly and did not speak to each other for years, they were, in a sense, brothers.
@jumpoutatree I made a point to note that I wasn't a fan of Hamilton, but that's because I'm a libertarian. What banking conspiracy theorists are led to believe about Hamilton is just a complete farce. His theory of banking didn't include a fiat currency. Do your homework, please.
Just because he was a founding father and did great things, doesn't mean he wasn't a douchebag, too. The miniseries didn't even necessarily show Adams in the best light all the time, either..
Although I'm not a fan of Hamilton, there was an obvious dislike of his philosophies in this mini series. Again, I'm not a Hamilton fan, but please give credit where it's due and don't try to vilify the character. Hamilton was a very important Founding Father for many reasons.
@smo699 You must be new to YouTube. Every Ron Paul-Alex Jones acolyte is of far greater intelligence than Alexander Hamilton. Even if they live in their parent's basement.
Hamilton was an asset to this great nation of ours and should not have been portrayed as an ass in this miniseries. Do we not remember his writings in the Federalist Papers? Without his help, yes, we would have won our independence, but what would have been next, a loose confederation of states destined to break apart at their first disagreement? His help in getting the constitution ratified should earn him respect and gratitude, not just his portrait on our 10 dollar bill.
@archer1949 It's true, but I've always taken this show as from the point of view of John Adams, in as much as the viewer is meant to see things as John Adams did. This would likely be the reasoning behind characterizing Hamilton as a bad guy, John Adams did not like the man at all.
@archer1949 I loved this movie... But I didn't like the way they portrayed Jefferson in the end.. They portrayed him as the villain. Our most treasured national Presidents.. It was a travesty.. But hey, it is HBO and they have an agenda.
@archer1949 In Adams's life, Hamilton was very close to a supervillain. He operated behind Adams's political career, using him as a pawn to bring down his personal enemies. Hamilton was educated, brilliant, and motivated, but in the story of John Adam's life, he was a bit of villain. That is to say, no one is perfect. In the story of Hamilton's life, Adams was a useless idiot. It's all a matter of opinion and every show needs it's opposing force. Unfortunately, Hamilton was that force.
@archer1949 Well to be fair he was only following Machiavellian Realist teachings, which has been the prevailing view of most in the foreign policy community since the Renaissance (with the exception of WWI and the years leading up to WWII, where Idealists reigned supreme)
@archer1949 You might not like the portrayal but it's not far from the truth. Hamilton repudiated his acknowledgement of secession's legitimacy, and dreamed of scenarios where he could march armies of thousands through the South in a show of force during the Quasi-War merely to intimidate Francophile Virginians. He also contemplated war with the South should they break, and expansion into South America. Adams' antagonism with him was very much like this portrayal
@archer1949 He was power hungry, he wanted the government to grow much bigger than it was intended to. Different ways of thinking, he wasn't a bad person he just felt the government should be bigger, Jefferson thought it should remain smaller, and Adams was seemingly neutral. (In the mini series)
Cyborg John Adams will run against Mummy Roosevelt and Zombie Washington in 2094. Sarah Palin will be running as well, along with Dick Cheney, who has survived by feasting on the bone marrow of mutant babies from the fallout of World War 23
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@mustang6172 Two things wrong with that: Hamilton was born in the West Indies, and thus was constitutionally ineligible to run for President. Secondly, he had an unfortunate tendency to duel... and lose.
@Psifonian2 The constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;" the exemption for citizens at the time of Adoption is an important exemption because no one born before July 4, 1776 meets the definition of "born in the United States".
Not sure how I feel about this show's portrayal of Hamilton. I feel he was a great man who let his ego and ambition get the better of him, and the show rightly shows that. On the other hand, I don't feel it's accurate to show him as a bloodthirsty warmonger - he certainly wasn't any more than Jefferson (who urged America to side with Revolutionary France) was.
It sucks to say this but Hamilton was right about the expansion part because remember America was still young and was surrounded by the major European nations occupying lands west of the Mississippi river. Thus the US had to do what it had to do to survive as a young nation.
Alexander Hamilton is my single favorite American. Never before has such an evil genius had such a profound influence on the America of today. Rant against him all you want, but the Union wouldn't have survived without him.
An the Only thing I agree with Adams on was he was pro-British than pro-French. I'd never trust the French over our brother England. This I thought was the only down side of Jefferson because he seemed to be pro-France..
Thomas Jefferson was the perfect president period next was Jefferson Davis for CSA. I'll always speak my thoughts on State rights period. If Massachusetts wants Obama care then so be it. But if Texas doesnt then they shouldnt have too! Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of our nation today! "Commerce will all, Alliance with none" Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln was trash, Lincoln was the first to turn America into a Federal nightmare that we live in today. Lincoln took state rights an destroyed them and I'm not talking about slavery because slavery would've ended 10 years later because of cotton gin also slavery is a bad economic stance. Now look at our nation the Feds have way too much power an Obama can force his Obamacare on any state even if that state doesnt want it! Lincoln was an always will be the one I hate more than anyother!
@aggies436 Without Lincoln the Union would have been fractured. If the confederates had split, there would have been nothing to stop other states from seeking the same result and splitting from the Union. The U.S would quickly have become as fractured as Europe is today. Slavery would never have died off without the 14th Amendment. If you checked your facts, you would understand that the cotton gin was developed before the war.
@ledzeppelinfan6 whocares about slavery, Even your beloved Lincoln wanted to remove the slaves after the war to South America. The point should be States rights over Federal power. I believe strongly in state rights! Screw the Union, my loyalty is to my State of Texas above anyother.
@aggies436 so now that you have changed your argument about 3 times, you must be as confused as you sound. You obviously have no idea how much federal funding it takes to keep Texas alive. Without the federal government, Texas would be comparable to a northern Mexican district in both prosperity and safety. I think that when you comment on South America you must be mistaken for Liberia, and even there you are mistaken. Lincoln believed in equal citizenship for both blacks and whites.
@ledzeppelinfan6 not true, Look it up, Lincoln had a letter saying he would consider removing all freed slaves to other areas including South America..
Who cares about slavery??? Slavery is what divided our Founding Fathers most. Slavery is what allowed Virginia to dominate the early federal government. Slavery is what created the segregation in our society that would become a stain in our history. Everyone should care about slavery, especially those in the states that seceded from the Union like Texas.
@ledzeppelinfan6 well I know alot of people here who are now sick of our failed Union! The only way I'd be happy about our government is turning it into a Confederation of states rather than a Union of Federal scum who destroy our dollar an turn us into slaves to China!
@aggies436 If you were an American from 1783-1789, you would be in heaven. Unfortunately, we have already tested your theory and it almost destroyed the entire nation.
@ledzeppelinfan6 Then you can go ahead an trust our Federal government who makes stupid laws all the time and is now starting to limit freedoms that we have enjoyed for 200 years. Now I'm forced to pay taxes that part of it goes to Plannedparenthood who does abortions an I really cant have any say in the matter.. I want you to tell me with all honesty that Thomas Jefferson would be proud to be an American today!
@aggies436 Federal money to Planned Parenthood is not legaly allowed to contribute to abortions. What freedoms could you possibly be speaking of? In 200 years, blacks have received equality, women can vote, children are protected from labor, the army is completely volunteer, and a female can become governor and president. Jefferson would be ashamed that you are so vehemently against the government that he swore his life to protect.
@ledzeppelinfan6 Whether you like it or not I'm a Christian who believes men are not better than women or women are better than men, I just believe we are made for a different purpose.. If you read the Bible which our government was made by and Freedom of religion was a different understanding back then, You'll understand that man was put on this earth to lead! Planned parenthood does get tax money and they may or may not use it for abortion but still the matter is they do abortions!
@aggies436 wrong, many of the Founders including Jefferson and Franklin were deists, not Christians. Jefferson even doubted the divinity of Christ. Most Founders agreed that freedom of religion entailed Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all other faiths and traditions. Your assertiveness that men are the only ones that should lead is as backward as any slavemaster was in the 19th century.
@ledzeppelinfan6 Then our nation is doomed because you'll never understand high morals and human nature, our culture will be destoryed because of so many mixes and with all other races heading here we'll never get along. An your action with abortion is murder nothing more, you're just as bad if not worse than any man owning a slave!
@aggies436 who is to decide what those high morals are? If you believe in our nation's philosophy and our existence as a pluralistic society, how can you say that one tradition is better than another? This is what breeds prejudice.
@aggies436 I agree, up until 1865. From Johnson all the way to Teddy, the Executive Branch was corrupt as hell. The 1870s and 1880s were particularly bad,
@aggies436 How was it perfect in the 1800's? Have you even read the Constitution? The first three words are "We the People..." Beautiful words in many ways but they only mean this: We, the white men (usually landowners)... How was that a perfect founding tradition? It didn't cover women, blacks, and it endorsed slavery. Hell, slaves were worth 3/5 of a vote more than a white women. So, if you consider that a perfect founding tradition I quote from the 101st airborne, "Nuts!"
@aggies436 Well, can you please explain how our founding tradition is perfect than? I am not talking about living in the time period, I am asking you to justify why you think it is perfect? It isn't a hard question, it is something an elementary student would understand.
Also, whether you like it or not, abortion is something that will never go away. It existed before abortion was legal, and it will be around long after you and I are gone. Would you rather have a woman perform abortion in a clean and sanitary environment with low risk of harm or how they used to do it with rusty tools with a high risk of infection? Making abortion illegal will just be like making marijuana illegal; people will still do it, just with greater secrecy.
@aggies436 In a recent address to governors, Obama said that if governors had better ideas on how to change the new health-care bill to fit their individual needs, they should go ahead and try. All of your points and facts are completely incorrect.
@ledzeppelinfan6 You just don't understand that most states dont want any part of the bill, Texas wants to remove the bill from their state 100% an if Obama really wanted to inforce his bill he could an thats my point! The Feds have enough power now to take control of any state if it so wishes an that is a fact. I know congress is republican right now an obama cant but god forbid the democrats retake power in the house and senate, Obama could really do whatever he wants.
@aggies436 Obama has control of only 1/3 of the government. It is unconstitutional for the federal government to overtake state hegemony. If you don't believe me, read the Constitution. You speak of the federal government like it is some horrible entity yet you don't criticize the federal government for pioneering the internet with the aim of using the connection to warn the west coast and vice versa if the Soviet Union were ever to attack us.
@ledzeppelinfan6 haha, you think our federal government cares about our constitution? really, Obamacare at first was against everything our constitution stands for like making people by health insurance and if they dont then they are fined with 5,000 dollars.. Some great government we have huh? I fear our Fed more than the USSR..
From the point of view of Jefferson, who wanted as LITTLE of a government as possible with most political decisions in the hands of the common yeoman, an even modest centralized government that Hamilton supported would have seemed British. Compared to today, Hamilton would be considered mild.
This series was cool but it definitely gave a horrible impression of Hamilton. Without Hamilton America would've been screwed. He was an economic genius who helped get nation out of the huge debt that it was in. Also Adams was basically a douche himself. Check out the Alien and Sedition Acts. I've always found Hamilton interesting and all you people complaining because you saw some skewed vision on an HBO special and now want to blame him on today's economy need to do some research.
@AngosiaFilms Hamilton did help revolutionize the U.S but his actions where not in favor of you or me but the elite class of citizens, that he said where the most important people the gov. had to satisfy. and the Alien and Sedition Acts where made by federalists (Nationalists) to try and silence Republicans (anti federalists), yes Adams signed it but as a protective measure against treason.
@rcastillo196 How can you say they were built to benefit an elite class of citizens? Hamilton built the U.S economy to support manufacturing and industrialization, guaranteeing all citizens employment. Hamilton set the ball in motion that would become the New York Stock Exchange in order to help all citizens have a hand in how the economy operated. Adams supported the Alien and Sedition Acts during his presidency, but when he saw the backlash he renounced it after he was booted from office.
you all must understand the context in which this argument took place. The Quasi-War with france was well underway and a French invasion became likely by 1798; Hamilton was simply attempting to prepare the ill-defended nation. Adams was a horrible president paranoid that his cabinet had been infiltrated by political outsiders and unwilling to grasp the full responsibilities of the presidency, spending the better parts of his years in Quincy, Massachusetts.
@ledzeppelinfan6 while i dislike your assessment of Adams, you are correct about Hamilton and the Quasi-War. Few Americans today even know it existed much less how close we came to armed conflict with France. Jefferson and Adams were idealists while Hamilton was a realist. The U.S. could not stay strong by slipping back into the sleepy agrarian planter society that Jefferson so badly wanted.
@tachikoma747 Exactly! War seemed so tangible that they pulled Washington out of retirement to lead the new army. In fact, Washington refused to become Lieutenant General of the new army unless Hamilton was given the post of Inspector General as well.
Both Hamilton and Jefferson were right. Hamilton recognized the importance of corporate business and banks to bring a country into modernity while Jefferson, on the other hand, also recognized the corrupting influence of those bodies on people.
If we had just a handful of Representatives with John Adam's Clarity of vision, Boldness of speech, sensibility of mind we would shortly find our Country BACK within OUR Hands! God bless that man! God send us his like to save us! He was not perfect, but a brilliant mixture of fallibility and intelligence. Abigale "completed" him. Hamilton on the other hand was far too susceptible to the negatives of "Human Nature".
Mr. Madison, unfortunately, did not know of this conversation, it would seem.
strangeyoungman 2 days ago
Hamilton - first neocon
IcyScythe 4 days ago
Newt Gingrich believes that there is a strong possibility that we are on the moon.
TLshadow1997 1 week ago
Newt Gingrich believes it is a strong possibility th
TLshadow1997 1 week ago
LMAO!!! Go John Adams
MNskins11 1 month ago
somebody needs tell our politicans this rep and dems
smrkkrenz 1 month ago
1:40 My response to Bill O'Reilly.
Pgirts 1 month ago
you TELL HIM johnny boy...
pacificrules 1 month ago
I was persuaded by hamiltons argument until adams gave his.
TheSololobo 2 months ago
John Adams should give fox news a call
j3parrots 2 months ago
Adams sounds like Ron Paul during the gop debates...
brmillgr 2 months ago
This very scene is the battle in the presidential election of 2012. You have the original Patriot Ron Paul, a classical Liberal/Libertarian vs Big Empire (now seemingly staus quo) Republicans, who aren't really republican at all anymore are they, they may as well be called UK Tories, Authoritarian warmongers for power and gain at any cost. Maybe the US should have stayed a UK vassal state after all in light of what has transpired?
Baldwynmayhem 2 months ago
@Baldwynmayhem True.
ohevshalomel 1 month ago
Is this guy for real?
He would have us engage in world war between the major powers in europe when there is a grave chance of us losing due to the fact our military is still young and inexperenced!
Its good thing that Adams gave him the boot, or otherwise America would have been invaded and possibly conquered!
Taccom54 2 months ago
@Taccom54 President Adams had secret intelligence Hamilton never knew about.
tomthefunky 2 months ago
@Taccom54 With the America we have today, Adams and Jefferson are rolling in their graves.
jteruel671 2 months ago
fuck alexander hamilton and his phony debt piece of shit
WeskerLogan 3 months ago
Alexander Hamilton believed that democracy was bad because it put stupid poor people in control of things. I think we can all agree thats pretty nasty.
CaveTro11 3 months ago
@CaveTro11 So did the rest of the founding fathers, remember, America is a republic, not a democracy.
FutureMarine1775USA 2 months ago
You get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!
danpmil 3 months ago
The casting of this show was one of the best in the history of TV.
jschultzVII 3 months ago
are they trying to speak with a sought of developing accent, something that falls between an English voice and an America voice to show the accents in America gradually changing overtime?
LittleDirtyBlonde23 3 months ago
So Hamilton is where Bush and Hitler got their ideas of preemptive war.
TheMadCrumpet 3 months ago
@TheMadCrumpet lol, this cracked me up. Indeed it appears so.
Baldwynmayhem 2 months ago
is this from a show?
paiges014 3 months ago
Hamilton was a villian. He dreamed of conquest. And that goes against the spirit and principles of The United States. We do/should not go out in search of monsters to destroy.
esoberanis09 4 months ago
Is that Paul Giamatti as John Adams?
zombiecrowtv 4 months ago
What's with all these BS comments about Jefferson being an idealists whose ideas would not work?! What is so terrible about liberty? It's due to Hamilton that we are in the mess we are in today thanks to his idea of central banks and crony capitalism. Only a Jeffersonian can restore our great Republic.
WintersAscension 4 months ago 3
@WintersAscension EXACTLY !!!
chakazulu87 4 months ago
HBO was going to do a 1776 series after the John Adams one. However, I suppose it will never be produced. I suspect they are afraid of fueling the Tea Party crowd.
kraken138 4 months ago
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chakazulu87 4 months ago
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@kraken138 The tea party are dumb asses who don't realize what they're fighting for.
chakazulu87 4 months ago
@kraken138 I'd like to have seen one set during the war of 1812.
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
If it wasn't for Hamilton, the USA would now be a fractured grab bafg of "Republics" resembling Latin America or the Balkans. Like it or not, he was right and Jefferson's unworldly vision of Arcadian philosopher states in a loose confederation (which never really existed even in his lifetime) was pure pipedream.
archer1949 5 months ago
@archer1949 Governance based some vague hope of "Enlightened Self Interest" and wishful thinking ain't gonna do anyone any good. There needs to be hard, cold, WORKABLE Hamiltonian policy in all that fairy dust.
archer1949 5 months ago
@archer1949 Hamilton could be considered a realist. Jefferson an idealist. But when looking at the world which they lived in, I would consider idealism a compliment. I believe Hamilton to be a patriot to America but far too European in his politics. His talk of conquering land and large centralized power is something you would hear from Britain or Spain. Im an idealist and a libertarian so I side with Jefferson. But I think even Hamilton would say the federalists have gone too far today.
Jononutoob 5 months ago
@Jononutoob I am only referring to the Jefferson/Hamilton situation as it stood in context of the time. The way things are today is an entirely different video altogether. I am not touching that hornet's nest with a ten foot pole.
archer1949 5 months ago
@Jononutoob Beside's his philosophy, I cannot comprehend the appeal Jefferson generates, his prefferd system of economy was flawed and his smear campaign against Hamilton could be seen as a catalyst for the creation of vulgur tabloids in the US. Why do you like him?
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise While I live, let me have a country, a FREE country. Jefferson and I share the ideas of what real freedom is. Modern day ideas of being free are a joke, a sad joke. Also I have never seen an economic system that was not flawed.
Jononutoob 4 months ago
@Jononutoob That's true but have you ever seen a more efficient system than Hamiltons? He literally saved the United States from splitting because of the finnancial crisis. Also I believed that the strong central goverment is a better system for any country rather than the confederacy Jefferson had in mind, it was ideal, but never practicle so I see Jeffersons real life pursuit of it rather foolish.
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise Perhaps it was not practical because it was never practiced? Large centralized power was the very thing Americans died to get away from in the first place. When you centralize economics, you centralize power and authority. I wouldnt trust such power in the hands of saints.
Jononutoob 4 months ago
@Jononutoob Well you see that is one of many reasons why I wanted the CSA to win in the American civil war. I wanted to see if a confederacy worked and would still keep said nation in a position of power and prosperity. Usually confederacies were present in smaller nations, or nations where religion was a ruling factor e.g. the Irish Catholic Confederacy. If the CSA had won and existed today, I would have liked to have seen the results and whether seperate bodies can move in the same direction.
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise I just wanted state rights to prevail. I like the idea of states maintaining their own cultures. Since the civil war states have been oppressed more and more by federal power. States now must enforce federal laws. States are now reliant on federal loans which cant be paid off. I would rather have a small and quiet America more so than an empire and trillions in spending/debt. This idea of perpetual debt is more dangerous than standing armies, because it is covert.
Jononutoob 4 months ago
@Jononutoob If you crave that America than you realise that there must be a new leading superpower that fulfills similar roles to the United States. The US succeeded the UK, so something else must succeed the US. The EU isn't up to it and I am not comfortable with having China as the new leading superpower are you?
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise Why do you use the word "must"? Why must a new superpower come?
Jononutoob 4 months ago
@Jononutoob To stop dictatorships and illegal invasions. Who would have stood up to the soviets in the cold war if the USA (of course other nations like the UK and France did, but I mean major superpowers) wasn't the main superpower? Who would have been the spearhead in the gulf war and help liberate Kuwait? That's why we need a superpower (or superpowers).
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise So we should dictate to the world our views to stop dictatorships? We should illegally invade nations to stop illegal invasions? America has puppet dictators all over the place and you are on here trying to tell me that America is stopping dictators. Is Saudi Arabia not a dictatorship? What is the difference between soviets selling arms to China or African dictators and America selling arms to Egypt or Saudi Arabia? If we cant be honest then we shouldnt be having this discussion.
Jononutoob 4 months ago
@Jononutoob " we should dictate to the world our views to stop dictatorships?" The liberation of Kuwait is not forcing our politcal views on that country. And did I mention anything about performing illegal invasions???? Stop putting words into my mouth, it vexes me greatly as you're twisting my words and so you deceive people (hence the two thumbs up you got). Suadi Arabia has a stranglehold on the US because of its dependency on oil however, do you honestly think that the US could bring down..
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise I didnt put words in your mouth. I am trying to show you your own irony. You cant deny that America uses the same tactics that the soviets used so you resort to the argument that America is better than the others. Hitler could have made a similar argument as he was not as bad as Stalin. Either you have integrity or dont, either you are a morally superior nation or you are not. America cant use nations as chess pieces and then act like they are the moral ones.
Jononutoob 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise Also if you think America doesnt put its views on other nations then you are naive and anymore dialogue would be piontless as I would have to teach you factual historical events which prove America has said one thing while doing another. When America overthrew Iranian democratically elected leader in the 50s, I dont think the Iranians thought"well those Americans sure are nicer than the soviets". I will admit America has a nicer face showing while they bend you over.
Jononutoob 3 months ago
@Jononutoob all dictatorships in the world simultaneously? Now you will see it as hypocritical that were dealing with a monarcistic country such as Saudi Arabia however, it is something that is disgustingly neccessary if the US is to remain on top. I would have the US as the number one super power than countries like China and Russia any day of the week.
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@TheSirPrise what makes an invasion legal as opposed to illegal? Who decided that? What makes a dictatorship of one man worse than a tyranny of bureaucrats? You don't seem stupid, but I don't think you recognize just how much of the constitution has been quietly jettisoned, and how unbalanced the power of the Fed vs. the States is. I also don't think you realize just how over the line the US has gone in the past 10 years with other nations.
tikletik 3 months ago
@tikletik "What makes a dictatorship of one man worse than a tyranny of bureaucrats?" At least you're able to get rid of bureaucrats, good luck getting rid of a dictator without outside help, especially if their source of power was from a millitary coup.
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise and hamilton's system of economy is not flawed??? HAHAHA , we are living his system and its flaws.
esoberanis09 4 months ago
@esoberanis09 I never said it didn't have flaws, an perfect system cannot come from an imperfect source, but if you detest it so much can you suggest something better?
TheSirPrise 4 months ago
@archer1949 Nice one! I agree.
SlimAyDee 5 months ago
Hamilton was the greatest of the Founding Fathers, far ahead of his time, and largely misunderstood. He was about promoting national unity, the supremacy of the Constitution, economic modernization and industrialization, and commercialization. Our entire existence as a single union can be credited to Hamilton... secession lead to the dissolution of the USA, not force, force reunited the Union in 1861... Hamilton was 62 years early on his prediction.
TheFederalistVoice 5 months ago 2
No wonder Washington timed Jefferson and Hamilton to leave his cabinet at the same time. It was insane to get input from one without the other.
AnotherStatsGuy 5 months ago
Man I'm gonna use that at the end of my next argument.
GOOD DAY SIR!
RUdigitized 5 months ago 3
I think people are missing the overall point of the last part of the miniseries. Adams, like Washington, found himself in the unenviable position of trying to mediate between the widely divergent views Jefferson and Hamilton.
In the end, perhaps history shows that the bonds that were forged between Adams and Jefferson won out in the end. Though they disagreed greatly and did not speak to each other for years, they were, in a sense, brothers.
gdkzen 5 months ago
It would have been utterly hilarious if he repeated, "I SAID, GOOD DAY SIR!", but the writers weren't going to channel Gene Wilder at this moment.
gdkzen 5 months ago 32
@gdkzen Hey, for all we know, that may be exactly what he said.
rickbrownell 2 weeks ago
YOU GET NOTHING!
YOU LOSE!
GOOD DAY, SIR!
Tcassa89 5 months ago 13
GOOD DAY sir. If there was one thing adams was actually famous for, it was his ultimate ownage when it came to insulting people.
Freedom21stCenturi 5 months ago 2
@jumpoutatree I made a point to note that I wasn't a fan of Hamilton, but that's because I'm a libertarian. What banking conspiracy theorists are led to believe about Hamilton is just a complete farce. His theory of banking didn't include a fiat currency. Do your homework, please.
smo699 5 months ago
Just because he was a founding father and did great things, doesn't mean he wasn't a douchebag, too. The miniseries didn't even necessarily show Adams in the best light all the time, either..
LoveNorbertTheDragon 6 months ago
Although I'm not a fan of Hamilton, there was an obvious dislike of his philosophies in this mini series. Again, I'm not a Hamilton fan, but please give credit where it's due and don't try to vilify the character. Hamilton was a very important Founding Father for many reasons.
smo699 6 months ago
@smo699 You must be new to YouTube. Every Ron Paul-Alex Jones acolyte is of far greater intelligence than Alexander Hamilton. Even if they live in their parent's basement.
jumpoutatree 5 months ago
9 people found the French army on the moon.
emtpilot132 6 months ago
Hamilton was an asset to this great nation of ours and should not have been portrayed as an ass in this miniseries. Do we not remember his writings in the Federalist Papers? Without his help, yes, we would have won our independence, but what would have been next, a loose confederation of states destined to break apart at their first disagreement? His help in getting the constitution ratified should earn him respect and gratitude, not just his portrait on our 10 dollar bill.
jbranstetter04 6 months ago 4
Adams was the TRUE leader of the Revolution!!!!
bilskie1 6 months ago
god day sir!
zulok1337 6 months ago
Wow..I see Chris Christy... this is what America needs.. a defender of America and its people!
1994buttons 6 months ago
Hamilton had his faults. But this show portrays him as a Supervillain. It's the only part I didn't care for.
archer1949 6 months ago 28
@archer1949 It's true, but I've always taken this show as from the point of view of John Adams, in as much as the viewer is meant to see things as John Adams did. This would likely be the reasoning behind characterizing Hamilton as a bad guy, John Adams did not like the man at all.
Meinfuhrerhoffman 6 months ago
@Meinfuhrerhoffman and rightfully so! Hamilton like politicians today was driven by selfish means...Adams set it straight!
bilskie1 6 months ago
@archer1949 I loved this movie... But I didn't like the way they portrayed Jefferson in the end.. They portrayed him as the villain. Our most treasured national Presidents.. It was a travesty.. But hey, it is HBO and they have an agenda.
SuperGuitarman69 5 months ago
@archer1949 In Adams's life, Hamilton was very close to a supervillain. He operated behind Adams's political career, using him as a pawn to bring down his personal enemies. Hamilton was educated, brilliant, and motivated, but in the story of John Adam's life, he was a bit of villain. That is to say, no one is perfect. In the story of Hamilton's life, Adams was a useless idiot. It's all a matter of opinion and every show needs it's opposing force. Unfortunately, Hamilton was that force.
oddrikku12 5 months ago
@archer1949 The actor was still amazing though.
TheSirPrise 5 months ago
@archer1949 Well to be fair he was only following Machiavellian Realist teachings, which has been the prevailing view of most in the foreign policy community since the Renaissance (with the exception of WWI and the years leading up to WWII, where Idealists reigned supreme)
YNot1989 4 months ago
@archer1949 Although they never admit it, everyone respects the villain more.
tikletik 3 months ago
@archer1949 You might not like the portrayal but it's not far from the truth. Hamilton repudiated his acknowledgement of secession's legitimacy, and dreamed of scenarios where he could march armies of thousands through the South in a show of force during the Quasi-War merely to intimidate Francophile Virginians. He also contemplated war with the South should they break, and expansion into South America. Adams' antagonism with him was very much like this portrayal
patriotofliberty1776 3 months ago 2
@archer1949 He was power hungry, he wanted the government to grow much bigger than it was intended to. Different ways of thinking, he wasn't a bad person he just felt the government should be bigger, Jefferson thought it should remain smaller, and Adams was seemingly neutral. (In the mini series)
QueenetBowie 3 months ago
@archer1949 Agreed, But the show portrays him so good looking in that uniform!
TylerMaple3009 2 months ago
Thank God for those 3 votes that defeated Hamilton's chances of becoming President..........THANK GOD!
mrceebees14 6 months ago
@mrceebees14
What are you talking about, he never ran for president because he wasn't born in America.
jaredabccrisscross 6 months ago
@jaredabccrisscross The amendment you are talking about is the 14 amendment and was not proposed until 6/13/1866 and not ratified until 7/9/1868.
That is what I am talking about smart ass.
mrceebees14 6 months ago
Paul Giamatti plays a better John Adams than...well...John Adams
timenyart 6 months ago 3
GOOD DAY SIR
SlipSloop 7 months ago
Cyborg John Adams will run against Mummy Roosevelt and Zombie Washington in 2094. Sarah Palin will be running as well, along with Dick Cheney, who has survived by feasting on the bone marrow of mutant babies from the fallout of World War 23
breeeegs 7 months ago
Good day sir!! I SAID GOODAY!!!!
streetrida989 7 months ago
Good day Sir!
nickymaz05 7 months ago
ITS ALL THERE, BLACK AND WHITE CLEAR AS CRYSTAL! YOU STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINK! YOU BUMPED INTO THE CEILING, WHICH NOW HAS TO BE WASHED AND STERILIZED, SO YOU GET, NOTHING! YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!
breeeegs 7 months ago
@breeeegs YES! SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT THIS WHEN THEY HEARD HIM SAY THAT!
DimeLivesInUs 7 months ago
Hamilton should have been President.
mustang6172 7 months ago
@mustang6172 Two things wrong with that: Hamilton was born in the West Indies, and thus was constitutionally ineligible to run for President. Secondly, he had an unfortunate tendency to duel... and lose.
Psifonian2 6 months ago
@Psifonian2 The constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;" the exemption for citizens at the time of Adoption is an important exemption because no one born before July 4, 1776 meets the definition of "born in the United States".
mustang6172 6 months ago
he may have been a smart man, but I'm not at all surprised that Alexander Hamilton ended up getting bumped off in a duel..He was evil..
mstalia12 8 months ago
Not sure how I feel about this show's portrayal of Hamilton. I feel he was a great man who let his ego and ambition get the better of him, and the show rightly shows that. On the other hand, I don't feel it's accurate to show him as a bloodthirsty warmonger - he certainly wasn't any more than Jefferson (who urged America to side with Revolutionary France) was.
AllenbysEyes 8 months ago
N0. Madison was Washington's partner in formation of the Republic. (and curb your foul language- it lowers your credibility)
rbrjb1959 8 months ago
Burr Baby..
ORACLE063 8 months ago
Hamilton Should not even be on the $10. Nothing but a powermonger. Thankfully Adams had the sand to put him in his place.
moneymakerps 8 months ago
It sucks to say this but Hamilton was right about the expansion part because remember America was still young and was surrounded by the major European nations occupying lands west of the Mississippi river. Thus the US had to do what it had to do to survive as a young nation.
98bigbutt 8 months ago
It's men like these we need, these men are 1) totally motivated 2) love America 3) believe in true liberty 4) Are smart as HECK!
mrceebees14 9 months ago
Alexander Hamilton is my single favorite American. Never before has such an evil genius had such a profound influence on the America of today. Rant against him all you want, but the Union wouldn't have survived without him.
Plenoptic07 9 months ago
John Adams for president 2012
calistman222 9 months ago 3
@calistman222 : Ron Paul 2012.
RileyE104 8 months ago
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breeeegs 7 months ago
how many troops, ships and marines we have at that time? he wants to attack florida, south america and central? wow
patton9 9 months ago
Didn't we take Florida eventually?
Thx1138d 9 months ago
@Thx1138d Yes, because Hamiltonian ideas eventually won out and Imperial America was born.
PoetsLight 9 months ago 2
@Thx1138d Yea, Andrew Jackson swiped it from the Spics in 1818. Now the Spics are taking it back from Cuba and South America.
Caledonia62 9 months ago
Good DAY sir! The most polite way to say "Now FUCK off!" that has ever been conceived.
GambitFox79 9 months ago 3
Alexander Hamilton was a bitch
s0beit 10 months ago
Ron Paul 2012!!
aggies436 10 months ago
An the Only thing I agree with Adams on was he was pro-British than pro-French. I'd never trust the French over our brother England. This I thought was the only down side of Jefferson because he seemed to be pro-France..
aggies436 10 months ago
Thomas Jefferson was the perfect president period next was Jefferson Davis for CSA. I'll always speak my thoughts on State rights period. If Massachusetts wants Obama care then so be it. But if Texas doesnt then they shouldnt have too! Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of our nation today! "Commerce will all, Alliance with none" Thomas Jefferson
aggies436 10 months ago
Abraham Lincoln was trash, Lincoln was the first to turn America into a Federal nightmare that we live in today. Lincoln took state rights an destroyed them and I'm not talking about slavery because slavery would've ended 10 years later because of cotton gin also slavery is a bad economic stance. Now look at our nation the Feds have way too much power an Obama can force his Obamacare on any state even if that state doesnt want it! Lincoln was an always will be the one I hate more than anyother!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 Without Lincoln the Union would have been fractured. If the confederates had split, there would have been nothing to stop other states from seeking the same result and splitting from the Union. The U.S would quickly have become as fractured as Europe is today. Slavery would never have died off without the 14th Amendment. If you checked your facts, you would understand that the cotton gin was developed before the war.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 whocares about slavery, Even your beloved Lincoln wanted to remove the slaves after the war to South America. The point should be States rights over Federal power. I believe strongly in state rights! Screw the Union, my loyalty is to my State of Texas above anyother.
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 so now that you have changed your argument about 3 times, you must be as confused as you sound. You obviously have no idea how much federal funding it takes to keep Texas alive. Without the federal government, Texas would be comparable to a northern Mexican district in both prosperity and safety. I think that when you comment on South America you must be mistaken for Liberia, and even there you are mistaken. Lincoln believed in equal citizenship for both blacks and whites.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 not true, Look it up, Lincoln had a letter saying he would consider removing all freed slaves to other areas including South America..
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 consideration is not the same as action. You can consider anything, but without a signature for action it is still just consideration.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
Who cares about slavery??? Slavery is what divided our Founding Fathers most. Slavery is what allowed Virginia to dominate the early federal government. Slavery is what created the segregation in our society that would become a stain in our history. Everyone should care about slavery, especially those in the states that seceded from the Union like Texas.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 Screw you and your Union, Texas would've been better off staying as an Independent power!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 That's why they begged to enter isn't it?
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 well I know alot of people here who are now sick of our failed Union! The only way I'd be happy about our government is turning it into a Confederation of states rather than a Union of Federal scum who destroy our dollar an turn us into slaves to China!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 If you were an American from 1783-1789, you would be in heaven. Unfortunately, we have already tested your theory and it almost destroyed the entire nation.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 Then you can go ahead an trust our Federal government who makes stupid laws all the time and is now starting to limit freedoms that we have enjoyed for 200 years. Now I'm forced to pay taxes that part of it goes to Plannedparenthood who does abortions an I really cant have any say in the matter.. I want you to tell me with all honesty that Thomas Jefferson would be proud to be an American today!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 Federal money to Planned Parenthood is not legaly allowed to contribute to abortions. What freedoms could you possibly be speaking of? In 200 years, blacks have received equality, women can vote, children are protected from labor, the army is completely volunteer, and a female can become governor and president. Jefferson would be ashamed that you are so vehemently against the government that he swore his life to protect.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 Whether you like it or not I'm a Christian who believes men are not better than women or women are better than men, I just believe we are made for a different purpose.. If you read the Bible which our government was made by and Freedom of religion was a different understanding back then, You'll understand that man was put on this earth to lead! Planned parenthood does get tax money and they may or may not use it for abortion but still the matter is they do abortions!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 wrong, many of the Founders including Jefferson and Franklin were deists, not Christians. Jefferson even doubted the divinity of Christ. Most Founders agreed that freedom of religion entailed Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all other faiths and traditions. Your assertiveness that men are the only ones that should lead is as backward as any slavemaster was in the 19th century.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 Then our nation is doomed because you'll never understand high morals and human nature, our culture will be destoryed because of so many mixes and with all other races heading here we'll never get along. An your action with abortion is murder nothing more, you're just as bad if not worse than any man owning a slave!
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 who is to decide what those high morals are? If you believe in our nation's philosophy and our existence as a pluralistic society, how can you say that one tradition is better than another? This is what breeds prejudice.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
Our founding tradition in my opinion was perfect in the 1800s, you've convinced me that our nation is falling apart..thank you
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 I agree, up until 1865. From Johnson all the way to Teddy, the Executive Branch was corrupt as hell. The 1870s and 1880s were particularly bad,
tachikoma747 10 months ago
@aggies436 How was it perfect in the 1800's? Have you even read the Constitution? The first three words are "We the People..." Beautiful words in many ways but they only mean this: We, the white men (usually landowners)... How was that a perfect founding tradition? It didn't cover women, blacks, and it endorsed slavery. Hell, slaves were worth 3/5 of a vote more than a white women. So, if you consider that a perfect founding tradition I quote from the 101st airborne, "Nuts!"
HassiumOsmium 10 months ago
@HassiumOsmium yep, you didnt change my mind, I'd love to live in the early 1800s...
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 Well, can you please explain how our founding tradition is perfect than? I am not talking about living in the time period, I am asking you to justify why you think it is perfect? It isn't a hard question, it is something an elementary student would understand.
HassiumOsmium 10 months ago
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@HassiumOsmium One who interprets "we the people" as "we the white men" is not only ignorant but just plain stupid.
simplespiral 9 months ago
Also, whether you like it or not, abortion is something that will never go away. It existed before abortion was legal, and it will be around long after you and I are gone. Would you rather have a woman perform abortion in a clean and sanitary environment with low risk of harm or how they used to do it with rusty tools with a high risk of infection? Making abortion illegal will just be like making marijuana illegal; people will still do it, just with greater secrecy.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 I suggest you read about "Foreign Agitation", It'll destroy us an lead to war.. you've been warned.
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 Actually, I suggest EVERYONE on this thread read DeTocqueville's "Democracy in America." So relevant today it scares me.
tachikoma747 10 months ago
@tachikoma747 I'm not sure how your point is relevant. Aggies436 is obviously anti-establishment
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 I'm glad you could manage to figure him out. He lost me after his fifth post.....
tachikoma747 10 months ago
@aggies436 In a recent address to governors, Obama said that if governors had better ideas on how to change the new health-care bill to fit their individual needs, they should go ahead and try. All of your points and facts are completely incorrect.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 You just don't understand that most states dont want any part of the bill, Texas wants to remove the bill from their state 100% an if Obama really wanted to inforce his bill he could an thats my point! The Feds have enough power now to take control of any state if it so wishes an that is a fact. I know congress is republican right now an obama cant but god forbid the democrats retake power in the house and senate, Obama could really do whatever he wants.
aggies436 10 months ago
@aggies436 Obama has control of only 1/3 of the government. It is unconstitutional for the federal government to overtake state hegemony. If you don't believe me, read the Constitution. You speak of the federal government like it is some horrible entity yet you don't criticize the federal government for pioneering the internet with the aim of using the connection to warn the west coast and vice versa if the Soviet Union were ever to attack us.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 haha, you think our federal government cares about our constitution? really, Obamacare at first was against everything our constitution stands for like making people by health insurance and if they dont then they are fined with 5,000 dollars.. Some great government we have huh? I fear our Fed more than the USSR..
aggies436 10 months ago
From the point of view of Jefferson, who wanted as LITTLE of a government as possible with most political decisions in the hands of the common yeoman, an even modest centralized government that Hamilton supported would have seemed British. Compared to today, Hamilton would be considered mild.
tachikoma747 10 months ago
I wish someone would put together something of this caliber on the life and presidency of Abraham Lincoln.
muddysneakers 10 months ago
This series was cool but it definitely gave a horrible impression of Hamilton. Without Hamilton America would've been screwed. He was an economic genius who helped get nation out of the huge debt that it was in. Also Adams was basically a douche himself. Check out the Alien and Sedition Acts. I've always found Hamilton interesting and all you people complaining because you saw some skewed vision on an HBO special and now want to blame him on today's economy need to do some research.
AngosiaFilms 11 months ago 3
@AngosiaFilms Hamilton did help revolutionize the U.S but his actions where not in favor of you or me but the elite class of citizens, that he said where the most important people the gov. had to satisfy. and the Alien and Sedition Acts where made by federalists (Nationalists) to try and silence Republicans (anti federalists), yes Adams signed it but as a protective measure against treason.
rcastillo196 10 months ago
@rcastillo196 How can you say they were built to benefit an elite class of citizens? Hamilton built the U.S economy to support manufacturing and industrialization, guaranteeing all citizens employment. Hamilton set the ball in motion that would become the New York Stock Exchange in order to help all citizens have a hand in how the economy operated. Adams supported the Alien and Sedition Acts during his presidency, but when he saw the backlash he renounced it after he was booted from office.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
you all must understand the context in which this argument took place. The Quasi-War with france was well underway and a French invasion became likely by 1798; Hamilton was simply attempting to prepare the ill-defended nation. Adams was a horrible president paranoid that his cabinet had been infiltrated by political outsiders and unwilling to grasp the full responsibilities of the presidency, spending the better parts of his years in Quincy, Massachusetts.
ledzeppelinfan6 11 months ago
@ledzeppelinfan6 while i dislike your assessment of Adams, you are correct about Hamilton and the Quasi-War. Few Americans today even know it existed much less how close we came to armed conflict with France. Jefferson and Adams were idealists while Hamilton was a realist. The U.S. could not stay strong by slipping back into the sleepy agrarian planter society that Jefferson so badly wanted.
tachikoma747 10 months ago
@tachikoma747 Exactly! War seemed so tangible that they pulled Washington out of retirement to lead the new army. In fact, Washington refused to become Lieutenant General of the new army unless Hamilton was given the post of Inspector General as well.
ledzeppelinfan6 10 months ago
this is a very good scene and shows why mr. Burr put a 68cal. ball in Hamiltons chest.
kingslegion1 11 months ago
Fuck the Central fucking bank - they will all hang for treason soon. This is not America and they do not represent us.
Hannanstl 11 months ago
FUCK THE FEDERALISTS!!!
jtizz711 11 months ago
@jtizz711 I agree with you. Also, fuck the federal reserve/central bank.
spinnernet1 11 months ago
I wonder who played the role of nathan rothschild.
blackbolt75 1 year ago
Both Hamilton and Jefferson were right. Hamilton recognized the importance of corporate business and banks to bring a country into modernity while Jefferson, on the other hand, also recognized the corrupting influence of those bodies on people.
rawrimaprick 1 year ago
When they say a new one they mean a new asshole as if he raped him and tore a new hole in his ass...thats what they ment by a new one.
swifterthenu227 1 year ago
If we had just a handful of Representatives with John Adam's Clarity of vision, Boldness of speech, sensibility of mind we would shortly find our Country BACK within OUR Hands! God bless that man! God send us his like to save us! He was not perfect, but a brilliant mixture of fallibility and intelligence. Abigale "completed" him. Hamilton on the other hand was far too susceptible to the negatives of "Human Nature".
Hemlat 1 year ago
God bless Aaron burr.
JesusDillinger 1 year ago
"Either you are stark raving mad, or I am!"
MissHoov 1 year ago