good post once again I think that the migrations or movements of africans has been ignored by modern historians,of congo needs any proof of this he can look at ther spread of the bantu languages throughout Africa
What you are saying is dangerous and supports ideas of "blacks" being weak and inferior. This is not something to be taken lightly and the things you are saying is worse than the book "The bell curve"
You are talking about two different things; for one the non blacks living under influnce of west african empires answer in the peer counterpart comments. Explained the case of Mauretania, read comment before doing such vids. again look at numbers of pilgrams answer on the other page. Once again never said no contact existed. I say the Sahara wasn't a modern day highway with high traffic example of villages of Mali.
Great caravans are not new to me but we are talking about high traffic.
One person would go for most villages because common people can't go traveling far distances whenever they want.
On the other hand there were also thousands traveling yearly every year and I already showed the information. The comment here by Ibn Khaldun very clearly says that this is a prosperous town not empty desert and 12,000 camels traveling every year. This gold was essential to the world economy.
Sorry man but you have an illness and you always play down the greatness of these empires
You consider these people passive for no reason. You deny that these empires have any world significance. you always portray these people as weaklings
no, you have filled sentences with your own interpretation. If there is no mass ttravelling, and I don't mean occasional huge caravans between north and south, that doesn't mean inferiority of neither side. If common people on either side don't know much about people on the other. That has nothing to do with power. I mentioned a belt were cultures intermix which is a prove of contact.
Take the deserts of Gobi a trade route people (chin. mongols etc..) dominating each other yet how much did common people on both sides on each other.
These areas are poorly inhabited. and have been trading posts That's were tuaregs came in. All of that is in my earlier comments. I am starting to think you overlooking some comments intentionally to go on with this. This is ridiculous and disapointing
You were downplaying what Yaqut said about the king of Zafun and "the veiled people" being subordinate to him and asking for advice in matters of government
You took this as just a few people that traveled to "Sub-Saharan Africa"?
Ibn Khaldun confirms empires were extending influence northwards
It was at this point where you started downplaying the supreme importance of this Trans-Saharan trade that I realized how deluded you are. What you are saying is extremely disturbing and as I said before to me it is worse than the bell curve
You already admitted to the importance of gold in the world economy but your delusion allows you to also assert that the trade was minimal. This is a blatant contradiction
You know the facts but you infected with racist thinking. Part of your sickness is that you keep talking about how only a few people from the north went south yet what I am doing is presenting information on south to north movements
(quoting Reclus) " At Mecca the most zealous pilgrims, those subject to most frequent fits of religious frenzy, are the Negroes of Wadai and Bornu and the inhabitants of northwest Abyssinia. Notwithstanding the difficulties of the journey, thousands [14,000?] of Takrurs [Negroes from West Africa] undertake the pilgrimage every year"
good post once again I think that the migrations or movements of africans has been ignored by modern historians,of congo needs any proof of this he can look at ther spread of the bantu languages throughout Africa
richbullva 2 years ago
"The Sahara a no man's land" very poorly inhabited. And the crossing isn't whitout risk. the gold traders knew the risks.
congobigp 2 years ago
What you are saying is dangerous and supports ideas of "blacks" being weak and inferior. This is not something to be taken lightly and the things you are saying is worse than the book "The bell curve"
markellion 2 years ago
You are talking about two different things; for one the non blacks living under influnce of west african empires answer in the peer counterpart comments. Explained the case of Mauretania, read comment before doing such vids. again look at numbers of pilgrams answer on the other page. Once again never said no contact existed. I say the Sahara wasn't a modern day highway with high traffic example of villages of Mali.
Great caravans are not new to me but we are talking about high traffic.
congobigp 2 years ago
One person would go for most villages because common people can't go traveling far distances whenever they want.
On the other hand there were also thousands traveling yearly every year and I already showed the information. The comment here by Ibn Khaldun very clearly says that this is a prosperous town not empty desert and 12,000 camels traveling every year. This gold was essential to the world economy.
Sorry man but you have an illness and you always play down the greatness of these empires
markellion 2 years ago
The problem is that you hold onto stereotypes and consider them as true no matter the evidence to the contrary
markellion 2 years ago
What exactly would be the stereotypes here?
congobigp 2 years ago
You consider these people passive for no reason. You deny that these empires have any world significance. you always portray these people as weaklings
markellion 2 years ago
no, you have filled sentences with your own interpretation. If there is no mass ttravelling, and I don't mean occasional huge caravans between north and south, that doesn't mean inferiority of neither side. If common people on either side don't know much about people on the other. That has nothing to do with power. I mentioned a belt were cultures intermix which is a prove of contact.
congobigp 2 years ago
Take the deserts of Gobi a trade route people (chin. mongols etc..) dominating each other yet how much did common people on both sides on each other.
These areas are poorly inhabited. and have been trading posts That's were tuaregs came in. All of that is in my earlier comments. I am starting to think you overlooking some comments intentionally to go on with this. This is ridiculous and disapointing
congobigp 2 years ago
The comment you made, as shown in this video, downplays the influence of these empires.
You said it was just a few people that came into "Sub-Saharan Africa"
The only reason someone would say something like that would be because they don't believe the power and influence these empires had
markellion 2 years ago
A few people of northern Maghreb who settled. Those of Mauretania (look at earlier comments) have long been under sudanese influence.
congobigp 2 years ago
You were downplaying what Yaqut said about the king of Zafun and "the veiled people" being subordinate to him and asking for advice in matters of government
You took this as just a few people that traveled to "Sub-Saharan Africa"?
Ibn Khaldun confirms empires were extending influence northwards
markellion 2 years ago
The people travelling south have nothing to do with political advise. I am talking about individual settlers.
congobigp 2 years ago
Will the quote shown in this video very clearly plays down the significance of the quote about the king of Zafun
markellion 2 years ago
Both quotes were talking about "the veiled people" as a whole and not just a few individuals. Can we agree on this?
Doesn't Ibn Khaldun call this a great city?
markellion 2 years ago
lol @ occasional
you dont know anything about the Sahel
Saheli9 2 years ago
Great caravans were rather the norm or exception? D'ou es tu exactement originaire?
congobigp 2 years ago
It was at this point where you started downplaying the supreme importance of this Trans-Saharan trade that I realized how deluded you are. What you are saying is extremely disturbing and as I said before to me it is worse than the bell curve
You already admitted to the importance of gold in the world economy but your delusion allows you to also assert that the trade was minimal. This is a blatant contradiction
markellion 2 years ago
Watch this video:
Arab / Muslim Literature on black people And "The Colonial Imaginary"
Blyden quotes someone else who describes how "blacks" are always portrayed in media
"The black man in literature is either a weakling or caricature. The comic side of him alone comes into view"
markellion 2 years ago
I have known about these images for more than a decade. Don't insult me further! I am very far away from mentally colonised people.
congobigp 2 years ago
You know the facts but you infected with racist thinking. Part of your sickness is that you keep talking about how only a few people from the north went south yet what I am doing is presenting information on south to north movements
markellion 2 years ago
Some information on the number of pilgrims
(quoting Reclus) " At Mecca the most zealous pilgrims, those subject to most frequent fits of religious frenzy, are the Negroes of Wadai and Bornu and the inhabitants of northwest Abyssinia. Notwithstanding the difficulties of the journey, thousands [14,000?] of Takrurs [Negroes from West Africa] undertake the pilgrimage every year"
markellion 2 years ago
The comment wasn't about a handful of people that happened to live in these territories. It was talking about influence over the Sahara
markellion 2 years ago