Alister McGrath - Fé e Ciência

[dewinthemorning]

0:28, "Now I had a new agenda." Alistair McGrath admits that he is looking towards science and everything else through the funnel of faith. He starts with faith and everything new he learns, he tries to reconcile with his faith... which is so abstract and undefined, that it's not difficult to do that. He doesn't start with a clean mind to see what is true, but his mind is already infected with faith and nothing can shake it.

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

infected?

That "infection" got the man through what Universities again?

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder The faith-meme is a virus-meme.

Are you saying that faith closes your mind and you can't study in universities? I am not! It can, but many people can so compartmentalize their mind, that they keep some faith and they can also understand science, biology, evolution... and they don't see the contradictions between their faith and the rest of their knowledge.

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

Well thank you Mr. Dawkins oh wait you're not Dawkins your someone who thinks that can steal from his books and pass off his rants as facts.

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder Everybody knows that Dawkins called faith a virus-meme. I see I don't have to remind you that he said it., because that's why you call his research and intelligent lectures and books rants.

What about the rest of my comment? You can't think of an answer, I see.

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

Considering how agenda driven Dawkins is I would hardly consider his writings to be objective let alone factual.

FTR Some academics studies have caused them to become religious so no the compartmentalize argument doesn't hold water.

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder "Considering how agenda driven Dawkins is..." What is this nonsense you are saying? Have you read his books? If you had, you'd know they are very objective, full of more facts that you can stomach. Try it, you may learn something.

Studies that academics do, have caused them to become religious? Spectacularly unlikely, but even if that has happened, they still have compartmentalized minds, to be able to hold both science and faith in said minds.

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."

Sound familiar?

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder "Sound familiar?" Yes, it does. So?

Why do you see 'having an agenda' in the quotation you give? It's the truth, and the sooner you see it, and go on with your life, the better!

Why would you care if there isn't any design or purpose in the universe? I don't!

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

Really? evil doesn't exist?

Torturing babies for sport is ok?

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder What are you talking about??? What evil? What babies?

Why do you suddenly bring them into the conversation we were having about academics studying science and still succumbing to a dated off-shoot of philosophy (I mean religion)?

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

I guess you haven't read all of dawkins books.

He denies evil exists as do you.

In short you don't think it's evil to torture babies for sport.

[dewinthemorning]

@ivlfounder Nonsense! Who told you that? I'm afraid you've been greatly misinformed. People (atheists, Christians) know right from wrong, the actions that are really wrong, we call evil. 'Evil' is not a thing that exists somewhere. Whoever told you that, is commiting the reification falacy - if it has a name, it is a thing!

"In short you don't think it's evil to torture babies for sport." That's a libel, and I am offended!

[ivlfounder]

@dewinthemorning

So Dawkins is wrong then?

[Tomsedated]

@ivlfounder where to start with dawkins...he graduated in zoology..thats what his books should be about and not trying to convince ppl of a non existance of God lol

[ivlfounder]

@Tomsedated

I'm not sure what you're saying. :(

[dimic]

@dewinthemorning: The murder of children or the torture of babies isn't the turning of something abstract into a concrete thing or object, for the distinction, by it's very qualitative detail, is founded upon abstract hypothetical constructs and continues to exactly this afterward. It is a category error to assume otherwise.

[dewinthemorning]

@dimic I haven't said that the torture of babies is the "turning of something abstract into a concrete thing or object". It's just terribly bad, and shouldn't be done. For the rest of your phrase, make it clearer, and then offer it to me again.

[mechanicmike69]

@ivlfounder <-------Delusional Fucking Moron

[ivlfounder]

@mechanicmike69

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Keep Dancing.

[AudioJudge]

1:33 & 3:17 copy-paste footage

[gerantonio]

Todo sentimento de encontrar algo ou realizar algo que está além, acima de nós, de que ele fala , não necessita da hipótese de Deus. O maravilhamento da descoberta ciêntífica, o sentimento de espanto dos filósofos (heidegger por exemplo, que usou esse termo) em se deparar com a realidade de que há algo e não nada. Este sentimento se chama espiritualidade, e não tem absolutamente nada a ver com religião , apesar de muitos quererem fomentar essa confusão.

[loidelv]

Olá Daniel! É possivel você ou alguem legendar para o português?

Um número maior de pessoas teria a chance de acompanhar.

[Imaginefree69]

The Bible says the earth is flat.

And that the sun revolves around the earth.

And that humans are made of dirt.

And that snakes and donkeys talk.

And that insects have 4 legs.

And that bats are birds.

And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.

Other than a few (hundred) minor details like that,

it's a really scientific book!

[deelerofdeath]

I agree that theology has lead to some scientific truths that philosophy failed on. The one concept in science is the Big Bang which indicates (as theologians argued) that the universe had a definite beginning. However, religious fundementalism regects science in favor of a literal interpretation of holy scripture.

[desertchristians]

I don't disagree with the point that he offers no evidence for his faith; but I'm not sure that was the point of his talk. His introduction states his intent to explain how his faith influences his study of science. His books offer several apologetic evidences for faith both in the broadest sense and in its Christian context.

[TheDebate1]

you know that tectonic, He never gives any explanations or offers evidence for his beliefs lol

[8vian]

Watch the "Richard Dawkins and Alistair McGrath" conversation on here, and you'll see McGrath talking for over an hour without making any arguments to support his beliefs, or actually being drawn into saying anything definite about what he thinks is true.

He's a good speaker, but his rambling theology avoids saying anything concrete about the world.

Most of his books are cheap attempts to cash in by using similar titles to best-sellers by Dawkins or Dan Dennett.

[Reido2828]

He is a good public speaker holy shit!

[tectonic08]

He may be a good speaker, but what he says is s**t and meaningless. He never gives any explanations or offers evidence for his beliefs. He uses words to avoid the critical issue about whether god exists. There is no evidence of god. The idea of god was developed through culture and ritual over many thousands of years. God does not exist. Evolution does exist and is all around us. The idea of god is fantasy and all in the mind. Believers are either insane, deluded, hallucinating or all 3.

[Reido2828]

Ha Ha Ha Atheism is the mirror of religion with 100% assurance of just god it self whether real or not yo u will never know and no one does. So why not chill out and let it all go. Let people believe what they want to believe. Why is it of co ncern to you? Ignorant child.

[tectonic08]

What crass words. People can believe what they want. I, and everyone else have the freedom to believe what we like and discuss these issues. It's part of our culture and evolution. It's no concern to me that Alister McGrath and you and deluded. I'm just discussing it because that's what we humans do... remember? You're ignorant because you haven't contributed any intelligent debate to this. "Atheism is a mirror..." What a stupid statement, backed up by nothing. Do you KNOW what atheism is? No!

[Reido2828]

What your ignorance is do ing is now assuming the ending to my point. did I say I believe in god? Did I say im religious? The people who talk about god the most are re ligious guru's and atheist's. What does that discussion relevantly serve in our world now? I see an economic crisis and financial crisis blooming. I do not see god or no god coming to save us so the topic is pointless to talk about. Deluded McCgrath? Again no one truly knows if a god exist's or not. We simply don't know.

[8vian]

To Reido2828: you might as well say that "silence is the mirror of music", it makes as much sense as that. It may be logically impossible to prove God's non-existence, but nevertheless it's a hugely important issue and not one we should be silent about on your say so. After all, religion has spent virtually all of human history persecuting all of humanity, and trying to destroy any personal or political freedoms. This is why it concerns everyone.

[Reido2828]

That is such a close minded thing to say. It is not religions fault it is humanities fault for letting these beliefs subordinate them. Open your eyes to the true picture of religion and look at it psychologically. Ill give you a hint. It comforts many and in others it brings this incredible passion and sense of creativity. What word did the greeks use for this? Look it up and do some damn research. It is a human problem religion caused by humans.

[Reido2828]

We do know life is beautiful. The god debate will always continue because it is a philosophical debate not scientific. Atheism is 100% sure god does not exist while religion is 100% real. Atheism is a mirrior to religion because your assuming the end of an issue that is complicated. Your ignorant as are your ignorant comments. Dawkins also is basically agnostic in there being intelligence behind the universe but is a atheist in the Islamic-Judeo-Christian god. Punk ass child you are

[EWKing08]

Well must have been a good lecture if you was only bothered by his hair.