League of Legends Video Podcast 03 - New Masteries/Summoners

[masterpolik]

look at rp O_O lol

[frrrran]

MAN they should REALLY hear you. You said almost exactly what I think about summoners.

[frrrran]

I think now going 30 points in utility makes sense for a support... I play support a lot and I must say the buffed it, but just for supports... other champions shouldn't get a point on that.

[Usersunited]

cleanse should disable ignite, but not exhaust imo.

[PhoenixDerHamster]

AP Kag-Maw

[venom2802]

I LOLed at the part when Sullla said faster banana attacks for soraka.

[bendybow]

Teemo and fizz is good.

[bendybow]

@bendybow for surge

[greenpaintingtable]

icsulla didn't they change the cd to 210?

[NakkiJaKeppi]

This sound quality :(

[iGREENification]

How did you name your pages?

[ShirosakiX]

FIZZ

[AERoVALKYRiE]

defense tree is kind nerfed because they removed dodge and speed bonus after dodge

[PhildotheGreat]

Great video, Icsullla!

[Alowishius]

Why does he use IE as a browser :(

[CapnCombustible]

One thing I like about the new mastaries is that since almost every mastery is good you don't have to do the standard 21/9 build anymore.

Depending on the champ you might want to put 24 or even all 30 points in one tree. It's not like the old tree where for 21 points you'd have all the useful skills in a tree (and then some.)

[VirninRael]

It was meant so both ap and ad champs could use Surge. That way its more universal. As well as, Kog Maw, Kayle, Akali, Jax, Teemo, and any Ad champ with one skill with high ap ratios (trynd).

[DarkKuno]

Surge works that way to provide benefit to both AD and AP

If it was AD and speed then it would be a summoner built exclusively for AD champs.

I see what Riot was trying to do but as you said the execution is lacking.

What it needs to be is an AD & AP increase as well as speed and CD reduction. That would make it an actual useful summoner that has benefit to all champs.

[TymRang]

@DarkKuno

This is also what I think. Actually, support aside, certain champ (Garen) shouldn't pick this, he doesn't scale with atk speed.

I think that they should add a new spell to up CDR and armor/mr so it could benefits to support and tank build. Cumbering CDR, AD, and AP together will be too much in favor of AP carry (Brand and Xerath will crasy spam stuff and GG)

[Sleepyflower8]

Great video helped out alot. Keep up the good work :D

[killfear]

Surge is more of an either/or; not "and"... its supposed to be appealing because your auto attack champ gets the attack boost, or the ap champ gets a ability buff for the 12 seconds... only problem is it's too little for, as you say, giving up other options. :/

[Dziuku94]

31:00 - Teemo, Kyle etc. champs that deal bonus magic damage every auto attack

[Kikipet54]

Why i needed to not have my pc for a month just before this patch...*cries*

[rchoung34]

Well at least the nerfed flash gives us a reason to use other summoner spells besides ghost which will lead to more interesting gameplay now imo

[Shadowerd]

Promote maybe can substitute cv...



[ThePigMonkey]

@Shadowerd No, CV is way too important for checking baron/dragon, following their junglers progress etc. You can't have wards up everywhere 100% time

[Shadowerd]

Faster banana attacks to OP

[omerDp]

How the crap is nerfing clairvoyance going to make more aggressive playstyle? with CV you can: counter jungle effectively, baron, dragon more effectively... these are only the changes that come to mind but there are more... i really hate this change

[Shadowerd]

@omerDp you can gank easier, because you wont get cved...

[Shadowerd]

more often i mean

[Isterbollen]

no offense, but you need a new mic :S

[woesiohans]

@Isterbollen it's not his mic, it is because he is using the stream, much more compression, hence the lower quality (as he stated in the beginning)

[Isterbollen]

@woesiohans he did ? oh sorry diden´t hear he said it in the beginning.

[jrgraham22]

surge is really good on the new fizz hero

u get malady and use surge with his w u do crazy damage

[jrgraham22]

surge is really good on the new fizz hero

[Ger0ne]

"Faster banana attacks from Soraka...." xD

But nice podcast. I started LoL the other day to play a game, but the new mastery skill tree overwhelmed me a bit that I didn't end up playing a game at all. This video really helped me in knowing what Masteries to pick!

[UberTri712]

@Ger0ne yep, faster banana attacks ftw lol

[mangasaint]

I think surge was aimed to be a buff to dps and ap without helping one or the other too much. Also cleanse can be use offensively as well. (Ganking and Annie, she stuns you- You troll face- cleanse and kill her.) Like when a person flashes and u counter with flash. As for cv Dx I'm sad, it's only for dedicated support now, which is the only reason to get the utility tree. Even as a lux player- there's no reason to not go 21/0/9 unless your in duo lane and wanna do no damage.

[dantheman671]

another awesome vid sulla, keep it up!

[ricex2]

very helpful and informative vid, thumb up :D

[ZerglingWasteland]

New Heal is OP.

[SoulKillerA4]

also, i haven't seen a cleanse in any games for a while.............weird

[SoulKillerA4]

heals on support? obviously they did not play as soraka

[aeolusDS]

Thx Sullla. I also think that the summoners changes was really bad. It makes some champions too strong. Others too weak. And u know, Riot said that heal is a new option for support now. That not true, i tried it. Almost useless...

[Shadowmourne3]

SURGE FAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIL

[Bluescope28]

I love the new masteries!

[wizardninja100]

At least I myself wont be too affected by the change of cleanse thank god since i never really got used to using item abilities or summoner spells that you have to click on

[Mikxalis94]

jax,kayle ? i saw a kayle running it top lane she raped kennen xD

[stevenuno1]

I use surge on jax teemo and akali

[taronnjames]

go 720p Good Quality

[MrInfoJoe]

sigh, well good job sulla...riot what are you doing =/

[exiu5]

surge is good only on jax

[SalsanGaming]

i run surge on jax

[Schmidteren]

penis

[Var1er]

Sulla, Ghost has changed. Not the actual spell, but the mastery related to it. It no longer increases the duration by 6 sec and it's now in the offensive tree.

[nspaulding07]

Great summary. I was glad to see it when you covered the new masteries, and I greatly appreciated your insight. However, when you were covering the summoner spells, it seemed to me that you might be under the impression that cleanse eliminates the grevious wounds part of ignite (the part that reduces healing). In fact, cleanse only removes the DoT part of ignite; grevious wounds still is applied (sorry, Mundo and Swain).

[aFriendlyAlly]

I feel that they somehow buffed rammus jungle in the defensive tree :D!!

[exiu5]

new heal pisses me off.

[USCTROJANJAKOB]

Jax is the only character in the game I think could get any real benefits from surge. But I haven't played in the new patch yet so I don't know how effective it'd be.

[hawaiin420]

@USCTROJANJAKOB a lot of people get a nice benefit from it

[dfcarvalho]

Two are the biggest problem with supports running Heal:

1) Their allies only get 50% of the HP (that's very bad)

2) They'd have to give up either CV or Flash (that's terrible)

Sorry for the 4 comments in a row. I had a lot to comment on :p

[aFriendlyAlly]

@dfcarvalho Well heal was never that good, but some people liked to take it. Some people use it to catch the opponent off guard in a 1v1 cuz they think that they could kill them or something

[grappel223]

Some people say the new masteries make you too strong... But i like them bcuz the old masteries sucked it put 30 in offense and u get like 1% extra attack speed and crit chance and damge... Nw theyre actually useful

[dfcarvalho]

LOL! I just looked up the summoner spell's cooldowns. Bot Ignite and Exhaust have longer CDs than Cleanse, so they will both be completely useless against someone with Cleanse. Yeah, Surge is looking pretty good to me on Trinity Force-bearing champs.

[dfcarvalho]

I agree that AtkSpd+AP is weird. But like you said, Teemo and Ezreal will benefit from Surge. Also Kog (all his skills scale off of AP, including his W which gives % damage), maybe Irelia. well, any champs that builds Trin Force should benefit from Surge. I haven't tried it myself, but it doesn't seem bad at all. Especially with that Exhaust nerf + Cleanse buff. If people start running Flash+Cleanse, it's better to have Surge on those champs than Exhaust, I think. (Again: i haven't tested it)

[dfcarvalho]

I didn't play LoL back when Cleanse was good, but when I read the description a few days before the patch I was like: "Say what? Removes ignite? I'm gonna run cleanse all the time now!"

[Idkyoulol1]

sup

[Jcd7214]

Havoc is not as great as you think. A crit that would do 450 damage would only get an extra 6.75 damage :/

[Var1er]

Yeah, but that's just on 1 crit that you are looking at. If you look at all the damage done, it adds up. Although a do agree that it isn't amazing, which is why it's no longer so far down the tree.

[zfrosty30]

Hey Sullla, Just wanted to say I liked the podcast, but I think you were too hard on the nerf of clairvoyance. You said yourself that the point of this patch was to make the game more action packed. This nerf will help that happen. If you spot a jungler every time he goes for a gank you'll make the game pretty boring for him. I know you play support a lot, but I know you also jungle from time to time,so it will benefit you also.

[qwertyabsurd]

Surge can be very reliable and I can see certain champions utilizing it. The ap gained is noticeable, as it provides a very nice boost to power especially when improved as it adds 10%. Stack w/ havoc + executioner for best reults lol. Champions that have a burst combo with considerable cooldown could utilize surge and a achieve a very desirable affect. I do agree that it's not the best summoner but the nerfs to the other summoners have made it viable. Nice video as always Sulla :)

[nitramolo55]

nice vid, but (for example) smite did changed. if you get improved smite, you get 10 insted of 5 gold per use ;)

[richy789456123]

Surge also works on the new champ fizz

[superz994]

@richy789456123 I THINK Maybe sion can take surge

[richy789456123]

they lowered the cd of smite I think

[TheBlurr14]

Sulla Surge was made for both Dps and caster. The attack speed is for the AD side that use it and the bonus AP is for the casters that want to use the spell. Riot decided to split it for the both. Also I tried it and it's great (Riven,Teemo,Rumble,Kennen,Mas­ter yi) :P

[smalllzloj]

imho flash needs more nerfing, it is still ti op, to the others summoners =[

[MokuShiba]

I do agree with you on the Clairvoyance nerf. They essentially cut it down from behind the knees because no one saw this coming and it's such a big hit. And also, I didn't play when Cleanse had the ability to get rid of Summoners, but honestly, today while playing, I was scared because because I play quite a few champs with CC and Cleanse would have been stealing kills away. I also agree with you that we will be seeing a lot more Cleanse later on.

Love your videos, keep doing what you do. ^w^

[Ruby9711]

I do like it that the offense tree has a side for AP and AD champs~

[Aaronsplace]

Tanky not Tammy*

[Aaronsplace]

The new summoners are way too offensive oriented I'm about 1800 elo and have been talking to some of the other players and pretty much no one liked them Tammy has always been better and now with the new offensive buffs right clickers are in like a whole new tier now.... suspecting nerfs aswell

[kingofkings6161]

Is it wrong that i put 30 in offense?

[darkinfernity12]

@kingofkings6161 I put 30 in offense cause it makes hybrid too good, like jax and akali.

[Kpopbest]

@darkinfernity12 yea, the new mastery trees makes 30 in any of them pretty viable, like support with 30 in utility is not so bad

nor is a tank with 30 in defense

[killfear]

@darkinfernity12 +1 for akali 30/0/0... totally makes up for the 2% lifesteal debuff.

[killfear]

I think, regarding cleanse, it is rewarding aggression, because if you have cleanse you can, as you said regarding tryn or mundo... they can close on the enemy without cc threat. you can be bold.

your argument is that a team won't want to be aggressive on an enemy with cleanse... which, again, rewards the aggressor with cleanse. its all about becoming MORE aggressive, which is what RIOT said they were encouraging. Wanna push in a team fight? choose cleanse.

[killfear]

Totally agree on CV... I support often, and that vision makes or breaks mid and late game.

[PRIME492]

@kingofkings6161 i hate that flash got nerfed range i just turned level 12 last saturday so i just started to use it

and now that we are going to see a lot of cleanse i don't know what summoners spells to pick got advice cause i usually run Exauhst and Ignite

[rjdbest100]

I fuckin love the new masteries! BONERIFFIC

[PRIME492]

Master yi

[parrallord]

I get the impression that with this new masteries and summoner spells Riot is trying to make the game way more offense oriented. Icsulla, what do you think?

[somelozer821]

YAY SULLA!