Excellent comparison video! Especially since it is the exact same thing. Personally, people should just use the right tool for the right job. Sometimes that is flash, sometimes that is html5.
i strongly don't believe html5 and css3 should be used for these complex animations. They should only be used for more basic GUI related animations, like animating menus, etc. Flash should be the only thing when it comes to complex animations like these, b/c they absolutely really on graphics performance, and need access to graphics cards, and since theres soo many different cards and drivers and driver version etc...you need a full blown application dedicated to it like Flash.
I'm going to go ahead and guess you are a Flash developer? Either way, Flash developers are ignorant people who -- in trying to remain employed using such a shitty, closed source language -- completely forget (or don't realize) the lack of accessibility and usability for those with disabilities. I don't care if millions of Flash developers (I hope there aren't that many...) lose their jobs, I really don't, but Flash needs to GO AWAY!
@deniatus pfft u sir are an idiot. First off, I don't like flash, the hell with it, as im not a flash developer...BUT a dedicated application LIKE Flash is a MUST for complex animations, such as the one in the video...Flash is badly programmed, maintained, everyone that codes knows that, BUT your an idiot for missing my point previously, I was pointing out that HTML 5 shouldn't be used for intensive tasks, sometime like flash is more suitable.
@fthis1234567 Flash indeed has some issues when it comes to garbage cleaning, however adobe is continuously improving flash player and you can easily get immense performance with a little bit of knowledge and tricks. And you're right when it comes to the fact that flash should be used for complex animations. Each has its role in todays web, HTML 5 is clearly taking its place, but flash will always be around.
Well, look at it this way. If I wanted to become a Flash developer, I would have and I'd have ended up making about $50K a year. Instead, I get paid $80K a year (plus benefits, 3 weeks vacation, etc.) to work with modern, accessible code (*cough* HTML5 *cough*). Obviously, more is involved, but a majority of my day is spent writing HTML5. The kicker? I'm 21...
Could you guys explain to me how you develop a mobile website with Flash? What about making sure that those who use visual guides (Jaws for example) to speak out the content on the website? Lastly, what about SEO? Yeah, thought so. It's a dying language and needs to go that way. Thankfully, visionaries like Steve Jobs -- one of his greatest legacies will be toppling Flash -- will ensure a much better web future.
@deniatus you make 80k a year( 30k more on avg than a flash programmer ) b/c theres LESS html 5 developers than their are FLASH developers...So in other words, ur lucky ur working with html 5now and not couple of years from now, cause a couple of years from now html 5 guys, will make less...and html 5 is all the rage for mobile apps, BUT again it can't replace FLASH or something like FLASH, and you mised my first point again...idiot.
I *really* doubt I'll be making LESS rather than more. If anything, it pretty much solidifies my earning potential since I'll have been there "from the start" and learned the intricacies of HTML5.
Once again, the name calling is pathetic, especially since you call me an "idiot" and misspell the simplest of words like "missed" (in your case: mised). Is this one of the many reasons Flash developers:
@deniatus man ur a fuken moron. Originally you talk about how FLASH or something like it will get replaced by HTML 5, and I keep telling you its not gonna happen, then u go off talking about your salary and somehow using it to make ur argument more worth while. Your a fuken idiot.
You've lost this war of words the minute you started using personal attacks in your argument. I get it...you're threatened because a superior alternative to Flash is available and is quickly getting rid of all you pseudo-coders. You've got two options; either become part of the dying breed of Flash programmers and sink OR go back to school and get an education (which you appear to really need) and start earning REAL money. Of course, you got to be good, too...
@deniatus First of all, Flash isn't a "closed source" language at all, you can easily write your own modules for flash using a bit of C and codename Alchemy. Second of all your quote "flash needs to go away" makes no sense at all. You can easily make apps with a decent performance for mobile using the adobe air runtime. And third but not least, flash has superior performance to html5 especially since Flash Player 11 added direct rendering on the gpu.
Lets talk about more coding in javascript and lets talk about apsence of constants, statics, REAL CLASSES, CONTROLED binady protocols, and 10 times more time to develop in html5 than Flash. And lets talk about browser compatability and lets talk about IE6, IE7, IE8... You will nead 10 devs to develop the game for wich you will nead one dev to develope in Flash. I am a Flash AND HTML5 developer and the only good stuf about HTML5 is that it is opensource. Which is by the way the worst thing.
@mackyjohnjohn I don't believe that market can expand more than it's requirements and economic capacities are. HTML5 is an idea that is still to young to start. It looks totally like Steve got scared and puled his ace out of sleeve to early. It is like "hack coding". If we are to start a revolution lets start it whit something that is really up to date. I want constants, statics, classes for God sake. I don't want to write $("#someid").css("top", "5px"); I want to write someid.y=5;
@gazuraz I agree. i strongly don't believe html5 and css3 should be used for these complex animations. They should only be used for more basic GUI related animations, like animating menus, etc. Flash should be the only thing when it comes to complex animations like these, b/c they absolutely really on graphics performance, and need access to graphics cards, and since theres so many different cards and drivers etc...you need a full blown application dedicated to it like Flash.
If you go to MrDoob's website, you can view this yourself. Inspect the page/view the source. You'll find that each sphere is actually a DOM element being manipulated each frame using JavaScript and CSS. DOM interaction, rather than the use of a canvas (HTML5), is generally quite slow, so there is really no basis for comparison here. No where do I see HTML5 in use.
@someonerules not to mention, running all three simultaneously for benchmarking also depends entirely on how the schedulers are dishing out the resources, which will not be perfectly equal.
I like actionscript3, very efficient coding, better OOP support than Javascript. And flash player 10 can use GPU for 3D rendering which kicks ass. Javascript is only a feasible option in recent years with iphone and other modern browsers catching up. It's also helped a lot that MS nuked IE6, thank god. For a web game I'd still choose flash, but nowadays if required to do some fancy UI I'd pick JS+JQuary.
@MrBambii7 Since you don't even know the name of jQuery, I wouldn't really say you're informed enough to share an entirely valid opinion on Flash vs HTML5. HTML5 is more than sophisticated at this point in time to make a fully functional web app/game.
You argue that Flash supports hardware acceleration, which "kicks ass", when you can use WebGL, part of the HTML5 standard, to do exactly the same thing.
You should read up on JavaScript, as all the things you say Flash has over it, it has too.
@someonerules All the things I say Flash has over JavaScript? I only said one thing mate, OOP support. The prototype method of extending can become messy very easily.
How old is flash? Java is old too but it was designed for creating computer programs, not web based applications. I remember when flash was a new thing, the games were pretty basic and the ones that werent required a souped up computer. Java has been used for web based apps in the past but not as often, its because java code is more complex therefore costs more to hire code writers, not to mention higher tuition to get the degree required to even get the job.
@MaryjanesJunction This is not java, it's javascript, something completely different. Javascript is ridiculously easy to code compared to both java and actionscript according to my own personal experiences.
Java was designed from the ground up to run in embedded devices and Java has only been around since the 90's, please do a search on the history of Java. For the last 20 years Java has been used for server and client side Web programming.
"higher tuition to get the degree required "
NOPE
Most computer science curses use Java as a teaching language.
I am sorry Flash is on its way out, THANK GOD
ps learn about Java, javascript, html 5 and don't look back
HTML, CSS and JavaScript are tools for making web pages. Rich Internet Apps didn't even exist until Flash gave developers the API to blur the line between web and application. Flash pushed the web into it's current state. The open source tools have lagged, but now their universalness has won them out...
I make HTML5 Games and I came up with pretty much the same conclusion, you can't run html5 on every device and expect it to perform the same as other devices capable of running html5. The new Motorola Android and Galaxy S2 have dual core processors and have proved to be sufficient to run almost anything in html5 just as smooth as flash.
The irony I am experiencing throughout this html5 vs flash concept is that everyone is looking at html5 just because newer devices can run it like a pc can.
The main difference being that JavaScript is a real programming language and PART of the internet designed to work WITH the internet. It is indexable, portable, open source, and has infinite possibility to grow. Flash is a monopoly built on an ugly language emulating Java syntax. It is nowhere near as elegant as JavaScript. It is also compiled into these closed tiny boxes that are impenetrable by search engines or other machines. It goes against the spirit of sharing ideas. Ugh.
"It is also compiled into these closed tiny boxes that are impenetrable by search engines or other machines. " Just like canvas? 50% browser support,half of the performance. Know your stuff.....
@28inchUK That is only half correct. You can link items within the canvas. Like an object in an html5 game can be clicked and it will take you to another html app. This allows you to open individual apps for every function within a game. Why? cuz a dual core processor can run 5 tiny apps better than a sincle core can run 1 app with those 5 apps resources. This is why AMD is winning the processor game, they focus on individual core efficiency and thus run it better in multiple threads.
@surreal5335 I know but if you look at the history of ActionScript: 1.0, 2.0, 3.0...and compare that to the development of Javascript...it hasn't come as far. AS evolved because profit was at stake, it had to keep customers happy, thereby innovating features that HTML+JS didn't have. ECMA as a standards body by definition does not innovate, and Javascript, because it's a standard, is moving at a different pace.
@dakinenz yes they are both ECMA-Script based, however actionscript is based on the ECMAScript 4 standard, whereas javascript is based on ECMAScript 3. And among the key differences is the fact that actionscript is object-oriented whereas javascript is not.
@harveylegs how is it old and gross when programs that give you shortcuts or easy programing are made in javascript? not all of them but for the most part on the internet, flash is mainly used for games that barely play on a 10 year old computer. Cell phones have just recently surpassed that conquest in our present day in age. Therefore, things that normally got programmed in javascript (.exe's) for the pc are now being done for mobile devices. This gives the web browser flexibility unlike flash
@MaryjanesJunction There's no point at all in compiling javascript into an .exe. What the hell would that accomplish? Javascript is a web programming language, not an application language.
@GPow69 are you serious? There are tons of java script programs that compile an .exe with your finished work. Gamemaker HTML5 by yoyo games does.. Haven't you played a flash or java game that you could also download to play when you don't have access to the internet?
@MaryjanesJunction Oh right, I guess I was thinking of web design related things such as image sliders and such. I'm still back in the days where that's all JS was used for, it's evolved much more now I see :p
HTML5 is inferior, SLOWER, under developed, not even agreed upon technology. Anyone telling you that it is better than Flash is simply a liar, even if it is the late Steve Jobs. Html5 isn't even standardized, it is harder to develop at this point. Flash does work faster, is easy to develop, standardized, more used & portable. Flash is here to stay & even iOS will have to adopt it if Apple really cares for their customers like they claim.
@MarkMifsud EXACTLY HTML5 is largely controlled by a committee (WHATWG) made up of three companies – Opera Software, the Mozilla Foundation, & Apple. This is why apple pushes it.They have their hand in it, say and control over it, YET they critisize Adobe for being close sourced and doing the SAME THING apple does (1 lame phone, mp3, computer model and configuration versus thousands windows, thousand androids, etc). Adobe is older and trusted with develoeprs worldwide. apple has their own devs
@UtubeCanEatMyDick I develop in javascript, i am no part of apple or any other company you mentioned. I think what you should be saying is that java programmers cost more than flash programmers. Why? because when java came out, tons of .exe's were compiled with java script to make computer programs. It wasn't structured for web based applications. That is why Flash got such a good start when it came out, because it allowed ppl to do more with their websites and email.
@MarkMifsud The adoption rate of HTML5 has increased substancially so i think u r missdated, oh and android 4.0 will also be the last version of Android with flash support, so if you want to continue with flash forget about mobile environments
@MarkMifsud HTML5 is still in beta, ofcourse there is a lot of bugs and performance issues. Its gonna be about 3-5 years before it really takes over. It will take over eventually for two very good reasons... No plugin required, no fee required. Flash fails in both areas, especially the later.
I am a flash developer so I may be a little biased ... but I have been building some things in HTML5 lately but have been unable to come anywhere near flash's quality.
Give another few years and it could be a different story but at the moment html5 is like a poor mans flash.
Actually, when you look at HTML5 and FLASH as of this moment, FLASH has evolved faster than the so called "standard" yet again (just look at what's new on Flash Player 11).
And (yet again), HTML5 is going to have to play catch up. But I'll bet it would have to be HTML6 before it reaches where Flash is today. And then history repeats itself...
@fuego96 flash creates holes in memory whichiswhy flash games and browser based flash games are being phased out and java is once again taking over on the game side but html has been around forever and will never die but flash overall is a great product but adobe needs to work with vendors more tosurvive if not the same thing that happened to shockwave and macromedia will happen to adobe
@pallzoltan Yes I am aware. But not as well as HTML content. SEO is a pain in the ass when dealing with full flash sites. Clients come to us all the time and ask for it. There's no excuse now. Using jquery you can make sites look 1000s of times better and more compatible than you ever could in flash.
Guys, be a little bit more enthusiastic. Competition drives progress. The use of Flash will shift, but HTML5 won't overthrow it. There'll be coexistence. Hopefully we'll go away from presenting content within the Flash Player, but use its power to enhance the web experience.
The way Flash is going reminds me a little bit of Java.
wow a totally free alternative to flash that's standard with your browser, not requiring plugins or proprietary software? that sounds awesome! i don't know why everybody's bashing html5. I like that i don't have to learn 2 other languages along with html and that i don't have to buy expensive IDES to use it.
It's all about money, nothing about technology and performance. HTML and JavaScripts exist many years before Flash and still no acceptable IDE over HTML/JS development. Just various plugins in browsers written by enthusiastic people.
Flash just takes from Apple and Microsoft monsters the best and bigger cake in the market. How do you expect they will react?
@Naughtonator and you pay for that luxury too... Last time I checked the down right cheapest stripped bare bones mac you can get is right around $1,000.00 I bought my windows 7 laptop a few months ago for a whole $450.00 out the door. I yes I code in both HTML5 and Flash/Flex and play WOW on it just fine.
Those "vs" tests are the most stupid thing in the world. You can't test if HTML5 is faster or slower, because you use differnt code and there are different implementations, kid.
@storefrontdoors You mean that all the people should use Linux or Unix for development? Or are you seriously considering windows as serious development platform?
Anyways would be great if HTML5 would overthrow flash. Being open standard mobile platforms would have more possibilities have accelerators to run html5 code faster and with less battery drain than is possible with proprietary flash... everyone would benefit from better compatibility (well except adobe).
until the damn thing is released, I'm not even worrying about html 5. they have stated html 5 will not be released until 2015. I mean come on. And no, people putting html5 in their websites right now does not constitute a release. The full thing has not been released and all browser / platforms have full html 5 compatibility. The guys who do not design for a living are ruining everything. "I heard from a guy that you can make a whole website in html 5 now" orly? Have him make it then.
Center is the best by far... flash distorts the blobs to keep the motion "fluid" while the left html5 is choppy and keeping the blobs crisp. The center is crisp while retaining most of the fluid motion. I guess it is a matter of perspective...
@12quillemall5321 Honestly, I think IE is still not a great browser. As a programmer, I find it very vulnerable to many different exploits. With Active X, I can easily do anything to computer just from a simple exploit I tried out a few weeks ago on the latest version. Personally, I believe chrome is the best because since it's open source, it allows people like me to help fix the exploits.
this was done a year ago, on a browser that barely supports html5 (at the time).. not a fair test really is it, FF4's hardware acceloration for instance, and even IE9's should give a better result now
Why is HTML so Jittery when I switch from Flash to that on Youtube? I have an i7 2600k CO'd to 4.1ghz, GTX 470, 20 meg service from Qwest (wayyy better than Comcast in my experience), and Killer2100 network card... I am not bashing HTML5, it is just very jittery for me...
Tried this test in IE9 and in HTML5 and FLash, flash ate up my quad core CPU where the HTML5 verion used one core(25%) FLash used about 3, from 30% - 65% on Average of 55%
All Adobe needs to do is give Flash some good JavaScript DOM access and it's future is secure.. with how wide-spread flash is, I'm rather disappointed HTML5 doesn't have a <flash tag..
What's exciting about HTML5 is the compatibility with all other open web technologies like CSS3, Javascript, SVG, WebGL and more. They can seamlessly work together and that's why you should go with open!
do you have a tiny red or green box on your brower in Lower right corner. clicking it will either make youtube work or not. changes when you click it.????help. running Ubuntu 10.10 I did opt in for youtube html5????
@oblivimix95 That's fine. I trust Wikipedia enough. Didn't they change it to where not just anyone can edit an article? I don't know. But anyway, I'm not a software techie, so I'll just buy based on business and consumer reviews.
@bobbystar101 hmm. I never said that Flash is a Apple App. **Read previous comment twice**. Yup. WIKIPEDIA said Flash was made in 1996 while HTML (yes I know what HTML I learned that at Elementary. Writing websites in notepad than in adobe dreamweaver... *facepalm*) was made 2000. I know WIKI is an unreliable source... So I guess YOU FAIL at understanding my comment :|
There's definintely a battle on. Flash is very cool but never really recovered from being rated as "a very good language to write whack-a-mole games with". It has some great sprite features, as this demo shoes, but does it really have the all-round clout to defeat js / html5 / in the next round?
Make a separate clip for each one, that's not exactly the best test. When are you gonna be using all three of these at the same time? Until I see another test, I don't believe it.
I'm happy to see HTML 5 pulling ahead of Flash with the latest % of sites in use. New technology is always hard for diehards to accept. Look at the people who think an upscaled DVD looks and sounds just as good as a Blu-Ray. Flash will die within the next 5 years. Companies respond to consumer demand and with Apple and Microsoft pushing for HTML5 (yes MS too) the format will grow.
Flash FTW....HTML 5 on the center is not even rendering a complicated animation but looks blocky and choppy and lacks motion blur (very important in animation)
Uploader, can you please update the description to clarify whether this is rendering demo, or video playback?
@compressormax Because we already have hardware (GPU) for rendering graphics, we should assign the rendering job to it and spare the CPU from extra load, that is, unless CPU is able to perform better than GPU.
BTW hardware acceleration is optional. If a Flash app performs badly on non-hw-acceled PC, it's the fault of the app developer for not providing fallback graphics quality.
@jeznaver Actually. Flash take up to many CPU to present that demo but without flash being there you would see the HTML 5 would move smother and faster than flash without pigging out your CPU.
@jeznaver webkit supports most elements in the HTML5 database anyway, and safari safari 4 doesn't support HTML5 as thoroughly as webkit also known as the Browsers for Android phones and Chrome. of course HTML5 will be slower for on Safari 4 because not all the pieces are supported. Flash was supported way back.
@death42er no joke. This video is working on 2 years old and YouTube still defaults to Flash. Google, along with ESPN, Disney, Ford, etc, etc. still favor Flash. Its a great platform and has many advantages over other options. HTML 5 has a lot of promise and is good in certain cases, but it doesn't kill Flash. Use what works.
@pablosantacruzpalma the best option for what though? fact is if you want a custom videoplayer for example or a microsite with any form of intense animation or transition html5 is useless. If you want a nice information site,with a smooth navigation and an image slider then theres absolutely no need for flash . The fact is,the average user/client doesnt give a crap about what technology is used so long as it works. But as a developer you must choose the right tool for the job.
Really? i have a challenge for you then. show me an html5 video player that supports alpha channels. i want an actor (shot on green screen) to walk across the top of the rest of the webpage and deliver a sales pitch. auto-play, no controls, and no flash allowed.
Bollocks. My PC and MacBook Pro can render HTML5 way better than Flash. I don't get framerates like that. But then, you're using safari 4. Chrome 4, which I use, is basically the same engine, but it can do those HTML5 demos faster than Flash. And Flash isn't just a CPU sucker on OS X, it does it on mobile devices and desktops, too.
Additionally, Jobs was right about Flash. FroYo devices heat up, they render Flash choppily, and of course it's a memory hog.
Sure, Flash does use more CPU - but to me the difference is clear...these HTML5 frame rates are atrocious. Users don't know or care what the CPU usage is, they know what looks good. Flash is too far ahead of the game in so many areas to just lay down and die.
Another obvious thing here, ActionScript/Flash already supports visual effects such as motion blur and glow...I don't know that HTML5 does that, but everything I've seen so far tells me, it ain't so.
not only the HTML5 versions are slower, but they dont even have the pseudo-dof (blur) or the more intricate patterns that are in flash (and it runs faster)
Mac OSX is a very chopped and screwed degenerate version of BSD Unix. If you ask me, Mac OS isn't properly coded. If Adobe isn't able to get Flash to run on the CPU efficiently, it's not the programmers fault that he/she has to jump through hoops to port a proper Mac version. It's Apple's fault for sticking to this closed environment. I've seen things run just fine on all Linux, FreeBSD, Unix Core, OpenBSD distro's. Oh, and Windows too. They all run Flash just fine without hogging CPU or RAM.
@xanZion1 it's just that adobe isn't interested in developing for a small platform like the mac, and as you see, it does work good enough but it's still too buggy and slow.
and why should you be forced to use a plugin, while your browser is able to do the same without any plugins?
and btw: Mac OS X is based on OpenBSD which is said to be the most secure operating system! this is what you pay for, when you buy a mac.
you have to choose whether you take the closed but secure system or not...
@xanZion1 Yes but HTML5 still is faster, smoother and more efficient regardless of what OS you use.
Using a pentium 3 800mhz I could watch html5 videos smoothly but not flash. Using Linux 64bit I can watch HTML5 perfectly every time. Flash plugin 64bit keeps crashing and going slow (which is odd since I am on a 64bit cpu)
This is because some Flash based programs require hardware acceleration (tapping into the video card). If your card is old, weak, or if your drivers are outdated (this is more than likely the culprit) it will stagger. However, HTML5 does not have video acceleration capabilities (at least yet). So, while your programs may be slow on Flash, many of them are totally unplayable on HTML5. The future holds a mix of Flash and HTML5. People use Flash for more than videos...
@mshartz5 This still doesn't explain my experience. Infact my processor was the weakest part of the system, I had 1GB ram and a geforce 5950 ultra so with hardware acceleration surely flash should have played smooth (just videos btw) rather than HTML5 as was the case?
look html5 is behind flash by years. There is limited support for HTML5 and will take some time to catch up if at all. 85% of the Alexa top 100 sites use flash. 75percent of all video on the web is flash. If you have Apple this is too bad for you huh. I like to use products that are not limiting. I have a PC and can use HTML5 and Flash and therein lies the difference. An apple fan is force fed what they do, where they do it, and what they do with their hardware.
Excellent comparison video! Especially since it is the exact same thing. Personally, people should just use the right tool for the right job. Sometimes that is flash, sometimes that is html5.
PatrickWard4 19 hours ago
Are you using canvas or webgl in html5
g2laller 2 weeks ago
i strongly don't believe html5 and css3 should be used for these complex animations. They should only be used for more basic GUI related animations, like animating menus, etc. Flash should be the only thing when it comes to complex animations like these, b/c they absolutely really on graphics performance, and need access to graphics cards, and since theres soo many different cards and drivers and driver version etc...you need a full blown application dedicated to it like Flash.
fthis1234567 3 weeks ago
@fthis1234567
I'm going to go ahead and guess you are a Flash developer? Either way, Flash developers are ignorant people who -- in trying to remain employed using such a shitty, closed source language -- completely forget (or don't realize) the lack of accessibility and usability for those with disabilities. I don't care if millions of Flash developers (I hope there aren't that many...) lose their jobs, I really don't, but Flash needs to GO AWAY!
deniatus 6 days ago
@deniatus pfft u sir are an idiot. First off, I don't like flash, the hell with it, as im not a flash developer...BUT a dedicated application LIKE Flash is a MUST for complex animations, such as the one in the video...Flash is badly programmed, maintained, everyone that codes knows that, BUT your an idiot for missing my point previously, I was pointing out that HTML 5 shouldn't be used for intensive tasks, sometime like flash is more suitable.
fthis1234567 6 days ago
@fthis1234567 Flash indeed has some issues when it comes to garbage cleaning, however adobe is continuously improving flash player and you can easily get immense performance with a little bit of knowledge and tricks. And you're right when it comes to the fact that flash should be used for complex animations. Each has its role in todays web, HTML 5 is clearly taking its place, but flash will always be around.
nmbpeterv 6 days ago
@fthis1234567
Well, look at it this way. If I wanted to become a Flash developer, I would have and I'd have ended up making about $50K a year. Instead, I get paid $80K a year (plus benefits, 3 weeks vacation, etc.) to work with modern, accessible code (*cough* HTML5 *cough*). Obviously, more is involved, but a majority of my day is spent writing HTML5. The kicker? I'm 21...
deniatus 6 days ago
@fthis1234567
Could you guys explain to me how you develop a mobile website with Flash? What about making sure that those who use visual guides (Jaws for example) to speak out the content on the website? Lastly, what about SEO? Yeah, thought so. It's a dying language and needs to go that way. Thankfully, visionaries like Steve Jobs -- one of his greatest legacies will be toppling Flash -- will ensure a much better web future.
Name calling = lame.
deniatus 6 days ago
@deniatus you make 80k a year( 30k more on avg than a flash programmer ) b/c theres LESS html 5 developers than their are FLASH developers...So in other words, ur lucky ur working with html 5now and not couple of years from now, cause a couple of years from now html 5 guys, will make less...and html 5 is all the rage for mobile apps, BUT again it can't replace FLASH or something like FLASH, and you mised my first point again...idiot.
fthis1234567 6 days ago
@fthis1234567
I *really* doubt I'll be making LESS rather than more. If anything, it pretty much solidifies my earning potential since I'll have been there "from the start" and learned the intricacies of HTML5.
Once again, the name calling is pathetic, especially since you call me an "idiot" and misspell the simplest of words like "missed" (in your case: mised). Is this one of the many reasons Flash developers:
1. make less money
2. create crappy applications
Is it?
deniatus 5 days ago
@deniatus man ur a fuken moron. Originally you talk about how FLASH or something like it will get replaced by HTML 5, and I keep telling you its not gonna happen, then u go off talking about your salary and somehow using it to make ur argument more worth while. Your a fuken idiot.
fthis1234567 5 days ago
@fthis1234567
You've lost this war of words the minute you started using personal attacks in your argument. I get it...you're threatened because a superior alternative to Flash is available and is quickly getting rid of all you pseudo-coders. You've got two options; either become part of the dying breed of Flash programmers and sink OR go back to school and get an education (which you appear to really need) and start earning REAL money. Of course, you got to be good, too...
deniatus 4 days ago
@deniatus First of all, Flash isn't a "closed source" language at all, you can easily write your own modules for flash using a bit of C and codename Alchemy. Second of all your quote "flash needs to go away" makes no sense at all. You can easily make apps with a decent performance for mobile using the adobe air runtime. And third but not least, flash has superior performance to html5 especially since Flash Player 11 added direct rendering on the gpu.
nmbpeterv 6 days ago
flash is a lot smoother.
501998 3 weeks ago
ald lets talk about Steve Jobs and his opsession to support opensource while every thing he has made was NOT OPENSOURCED!
gazuraz 3 weeks ago
Lets talk about more coding in javascript and lets talk about apsence of constants, statics, REAL CLASSES, CONTROLED binady protocols, and 10 times more time to develop in html5 than Flash. And lets talk about browser compatability and lets talk about IE6, IE7, IE8... You will nead 10 devs to develop the game for wich you will nead one dev to develope in Flash. I am a Flash AND HTML5 developer and the only good stuf about HTML5 is that it is opensource. Which is by the way the worst thing.
gazuraz 3 weeks ago
@gazuraz Creates Jobs? We all need those.
mackyjohnjohn 3 weeks ago
@mackyjohnjohn I don't believe that market can expand more than it's requirements and economic capacities are. HTML5 is an idea that is still to young to start. It looks totally like Steve got scared and puled his ace out of sleeve to early. It is like "hack coding". If we are to start a revolution lets start it whit something that is really up to date. I want constants, statics, classes for God sake. I don't want to write $("#someid").css("top", "5px"); I want to write someid.y=5;
gazuraz 3 weeks ago
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@gazuraz I agree. i strongly don't believe html5 and css3 should be used for these complex animations. They should only be used for more basic GUI related animations, like animating menus, etc. Flash should be the only thing when it comes to complex animations like these, b/c they absolutely really on graphics performance, and need access to graphics cards, and since theres so many different cards and drivers etc...you need a full blown application dedicated to it like Flash.
fthis1234567 3 weeks ago
Webkit with html5 looks best
ImpracticalGeeks 3 weeks ago
dumbest thing ever
iliansk1 4 weeks ago
@jeznaver
This is NOT HTML5, by the way.
If you go to MrDoob's website, you can view this yourself. Inspect the page/view the source. You'll find that each sphere is actually a DOM element being manipulated each frame using JavaScript and CSS. DOM interaction, rather than the use of a canvas (HTML5), is generally quite slow, so there is really no basis for comparison here. No where do I see HTML5 in use.
Nifty demo though, regardless.
someonerules 1 month ago
@someonerules not to mention, running all three simultaneously for benchmarking also depends entirely on how the schedulers are dishing out the resources, which will not be perfectly equal.
ewanm89 1 month ago
@someonerules Thats because HTML5 can not do that sort of thing now.
fkeopfkeop 2 weeks ago
now do the same thing, but give it an alpha channel (erase the white background).
lukedesmith 1 month ago
I like actionscript3, very efficient coding, better OOP support than Javascript. And flash player 10 can use GPU for 3D rendering which kicks ass. Javascript is only a feasible option in recent years with iphone and other modern browsers catching up. It's also helped a lot that MS nuked IE6, thank god. For a web game I'd still choose flash, but nowadays if required to do some fancy UI I'd pick JS+JQuary.
MrBambii7 1 month ago
@MrBambii7 Since you don't even know the name of jQuery, I wouldn't really say you're informed enough to share an entirely valid opinion on Flash vs HTML5. HTML5 is more than sophisticated at this point in time to make a fully functional web app/game.
You argue that Flash supports hardware acceleration, which "kicks ass", when you can use WebGL, part of the HTML5 standard, to do exactly the same thing.
You should read up on JavaScript, as all the things you say Flash has over it, it has too.
someonerules 1 month ago
@someonerules All the things I say Flash has over JavaScript? I only said one thing mate, OOP support. The prototype method of extending can become messy very easily.
MrBambii7 3 weeks ago
Smooth and Secure vs Smooth and Secure vs Bugging on every device
WarCruisers 1 month ago
HTML5 this pitiful similarity Actionscript 2
Bimawa 1 month ago
available in iOS vs available in iOS vs unavailable in iOS
beneggyeung 1 month ago
Which is Which??
whcmennblk 1 month ago
@whcmennblk description clearly says
AbuBishir 1 month ago
How old is flash? Java is old too but it was designed for creating computer programs, not web based applications. I remember when flash was a new thing, the games were pretty basic and the ones that werent required a souped up computer. Java has been used for web based apps in the past but not as often, its because java code is more complex therefore costs more to hire code writers, not to mention higher tuition to get the degree required to even get the job.
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
@MaryjanesJunction This is not java, it's javascript, something completely different. Javascript is ridiculously easy to code compared to both java and actionscript according to my own personal experiences.
SteelRvn 2 months ago
@MaryjanesJunction
Java was designed from the ground up to run in embedded devices and Java has only been around since the 90's, please do a search on the history of Java. For the last 20 years Java has been used for server and client side Web programming.
"higher tuition to get the degree required "
NOPE
Most computer science curses use Java as a teaching language.
I am sorry Flash is on its way out, THANK GOD
ps learn about Java, javascript, html 5 and don't look back
oilbanedata394 1 month ago
HTML, CSS and JavaScript are tools for making web pages. Rich Internet Apps didn't even exist until Flash gave developers the API to blur the line between web and application. Flash pushed the web into it's current state. The open source tools have lagged, but now their universalness has won them out...
harveylegs 2 months ago 2
I make HTML5 Games and I came up with pretty much the same conclusion, you can't run html5 on every device and expect it to perform the same as other devices capable of running html5. The new Motorola Android and Galaxy S2 have dual core processors and have proved to be sufficient to run almost anything in html5 just as smooth as flash.
The irony I am experiencing throughout this html5 vs flash concept is that everyone is looking at html5 just because newer devices can run it like a pc can.
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
The main difference being that JavaScript is a real programming language and PART of the internet designed to work WITH the internet. It is indexable, portable, open source, and has infinite possibility to grow. Flash is a monopoly built on an ugly language emulating Java syntax. It is nowhere near as elegant as JavaScript. It is also compiled into these closed tiny boxes that are impenetrable by search engines or other machines. It goes against the spirit of sharing ideas. Ugh.
nicholasaurus 2 months ago
@nicholasaurus
"It is also compiled into these closed tiny boxes that are impenetrable by search engines or other machines. " Just like canvas? 50% browser support,half of the performance. Know your stuff.....
28inchUK 2 months ago
@28inchUK That is only half correct. You can link items within the canvas. Like an object in an html5 game can be clicked and it will take you to another html app. This allows you to open individual apps for every function within a game. Why? cuz a dual core processor can run 5 tiny apps better than a sincle core can run 1 app with those 5 apps resources. This is why AMD is winning the processor game, they focus on individual core efficiency and thus run it better in multiple threads.
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
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HTML5 and Justin Bieber fans - 'Think Different' :D
HTML5 maybe will be nicer in 2-3 years, BUT...until then I am paying all my taxes and my kid's education by working as Flash/Flex developer.
Try create some "HTML5 Zinga game", or perhaps a "video chat"...
thedakon 3 months ago
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thedakon 3 months ago
If you dont believe me, google it. I advise you do hw before making a statement, when your wrong it makes you look foolish.
surreal5335 3 months ago
Javascript is old and gross
harveylegs 3 months ago
@harveylegs FYI: ActionScript is based on Javascript
surreal5335 3 months ago
@surreal5335 I know but if you look at the history of ActionScript: 1.0, 2.0, 3.0...and compare that to the development of Javascript...it hasn't come as far. AS evolved because profit was at stake, it had to keep customers happy, thereby innovating features that HTML+JS didn't have. ECMA as a standards body by definition does not innovate, and Javascript, because it's a standard, is moving at a different pace.
harveylegs 3 months ago 2
@surreal5335 FYI : ActionScript and Javascript are 2 completely different things and aren't based on each other ...
nmbpeterv 3 months ago 2
@nmbpeterv both are based on ECMA Script.
dakinenz 2 weeks ago
@dakinenz yes they are both ECMA-Script based, however actionscript is based on the ECMAScript 4 standard, whereas javascript is based on ECMAScript 3. And among the key differences is the fact that actionscript is object-oriented whereas javascript is not.
nmbpeterv 2 weeks ago
@nmbpeterv
However, OOD can be applied to javascript design in order to increase efficiency.
But that is like saying knowing golf makes you a better hockey player.
mshartz5 1 week ago
@nmbpeterv Neither Actionscript nor Javascript are object oriented. I'll let you figure out why. Good luck.
GregSidelnikov 6 days ago
@harveylegs
That's the argument.
Like c++ is old and gross and most of (conterporary) games are made in it.
WolfeSVK 2 months ago
@harveylegs how is it old and gross when programs that give you shortcuts or easy programing are made in javascript? not all of them but for the most part on the internet, flash is mainly used for games that barely play on a 10 year old computer. Cell phones have just recently surpassed that conquest in our present day in age. Therefore, things that normally got programmed in javascript (.exe's) for the pc are now being done for mobile devices. This gives the web browser flexibility unlike flash
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
@MaryjanesJunction There's no point at all in compiling javascript into an .exe. What the hell would that accomplish? Javascript is a web programming language, not an application language.
GPow69 2 months ago
@GPow69 are you serious? There are tons of java script programs that compile an .exe with your finished work. Gamemaker HTML5 by yoyo games does.. Haven't you played a flash or java game that you could also download to play when you don't have access to the internet?
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
@MaryjanesJunction Oh right, I guess I was thinking of web design related things such as image sliders and such. I'm still back in the days where that's all JS was used for, it's evolved much more now I see :p
GPow69 2 months ago
HTML5 is inferior, SLOWER, under developed, not even agreed upon technology. Anyone telling you that it is better than Flash is simply a liar, even if it is the late Steve Jobs. Html5 isn't even standardized, it is harder to develop at this point. Flash does work faster, is easy to develop, standardized, more used & portable. Flash is here to stay & even iOS will have to adopt it if Apple really cares for their customers like they claim.
MarkMifsud 3 months ago 2
@MarkMifsud EXACTLY HTML5 is largely controlled by a committee (WHATWG) made up of three companies – Opera Software, the Mozilla Foundation, & Apple. This is why apple pushes it.They have their hand in it, say and control over it, YET they critisize Adobe for being close sourced and doing the SAME THING apple does (1 lame phone, mp3, computer model and configuration versus thousands windows, thousand androids, etc). Adobe is older and trusted with develoeprs worldwide. apple has their own devs
UtubeCanEatMyDick 3 months ago
@UtubeCanEatMyDick I develop in javascript, i am no part of apple or any other company you mentioned. I think what you should be saying is that java programmers cost more than flash programmers. Why? because when java came out, tons of .exe's were compiled with java script to make computer programs. It wasn't structured for web based applications. That is why Flash got such a good start when it came out, because it allowed ppl to do more with their websites and email.
MaryjanesJunction 2 months ago
@MarkMifsud The adoption rate of HTML5 has increased substancially so i think u r missdated, oh and android 4.0 will also be the last version of Android with flash support, so if you want to continue with flash forget about mobile environments
HeberLZ 3 months ago
@MarkMifsud HTML5 is still in beta, ofcourse there is a lot of bugs and performance issues. Its gonna be about 3-5 years before it really takes over. It will take over eventually for two very good reasons... No plugin required, no fee required. Flash fails in both areas, especially the later.
surreal5335 3 months ago
what kind of fee, did you pay for flash player, oh you are taking about Adobe Flash Program? Flex SDK went open source, so what fees ?
thedakon 3 months ago
I find HTML5 very smooth running but overall quality while playing 1080p on youtube is horrible compared to Flash. The 360p is better tho.
mb920906 3 months ago
I am a flash developer so I may be a little biased ... but I have been building some things in HTML5 lately but have been unable to come anywhere near flash's quality.
Give another few years and it could be a different story but at the moment html5 is like a poor mans flash.
bustermk2 3 months ago 2
so.. where is the link to do this test?
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debothi 4 months ago
Actually, when you look at HTML5 and FLASH as of this moment, FLASH has evolved faster than the so called "standard" yet again (just look at what's new on Flash Player 11).
And (yet again), HTML5 is going to have to play catch up. But I'll bet it would have to be HTML6 before it reaches where Flash is today. And then history repeats itself...
That's just my opinion btw.
fuego96 4 months ago
@fuego96 flash creates holes in memory whichiswhy flash games and browser based flash games are being phased out and java is once again taking over on the game side but html has been around forever and will never die but flash overall is a great product but adobe needs to work with vendors more tosurvive if not the same thing that happened to shockwave and macromedia will happen to adobe
ozzyunoe 4 months ago
Thats just because your video card sucks with html 5, you need a nice graphics card to run most things. With flash, remember its on EVERY video card
biocitygames 4 months ago
@GodofAnotherWorId But flash is clunky and it will kill your SEO ratings. There's really no need for flash sites anymore. This isn't 2003.
andyhmltn 4 months ago
@andyhmltn google crawls flash content. look it up
pallzoltan 3 months ago
@pallzoltan Yes I am aware. But not as well as HTML content. SEO is a pain in the ass when dealing with full flash sites. Clients come to us all the time and ask for it. There's no excuse now. Using jquery you can make sites look 1000s of times better and more compatible than you ever could in flash.
andyhmltn 3 months ago
I wouldn't say never, HTML5 has iOS support slated for it...
BovineSoftware 5 months ago
so gay!
6580006247 5 months ago
Hoo-yeah! Competition! :D
Guys, be a little bit more enthusiastic. Competition drives progress. The use of Flash will shift, but HTML5 won't overthrow it. There'll be coexistence. Hopefully we'll go away from presenting content within the Flash Player, but use its power to enhance the web experience.
The way Flash is going reminds me a little bit of Java.
generischernutzer 5 months ago
What are the websites to see these examples?
betoprocopio 5 months ago
wow a totally free alternative to flash that's standard with your browser, not requiring plugins or proprietary software? that sounds awesome! i don't know why everybody's bashing html5. I like that i don't have to learn 2 other languages along with html and that i don't have to buy expensive IDES to use it.
aomimezura11 5 months ago
It's all about money, nothing about technology and performance. HTML and JavaScripts exist many years before Flash and still no acceptable IDE over HTML/JS development. Just various plugins in browsers written by enthusiastic people.
Flash just takes from Apple and Microsoft monsters the best and bigger cake in the market. How do you expect they will react?
logrus72 5 months ago
I dont really know much when it comes to programing web pages, but on all the test ive done i just find flash player much faster and smooth.
Why do many companys want flash out the picture ?, its much faster then html5
steven198807 5 months ago
I love flash.
hrflikk 5 months ago
Html5 sucks as.
hrflikk 5 months ago
@Naughtonator and you pay for that luxury too... Last time I checked the down right cheapest stripped bare bones mac you can get is right around $1,000.00 I bought my windows 7 laptop a few months ago for a whole $450.00 out the door. I yes I code in both HTML5 and Flash/Flex and play WOW on it just fine.
cctman 5 months ago
Those "vs" tests are the most stupid thing in the world. You can't test if HTML5 is faster or slower, because you use differnt code and there are different implementations, kid.
Jakon68 5 months ago
People who go bananas for Apple are not real developers. If ur not into magazine design then apple is a joke.
HTML5 is awsome but 2015 is way off, so why even burn brain power thinking about it...
storefrontdoors 6 months ago
@storefrontdoors You mean that all the people should use Linux or Unix for development? Or are you seriously considering windows as serious development platform?
Anyways would be great if HTML5 would overthrow flash. Being open standard mobile platforms would have more possibilities have accelerators to run html5 code faster and with less battery drain than is possible with proprietary flash... everyone would benefit from better compatibility (well except adobe).
elhigu 5 months ago
@elhigu HTML5 overthrowing Flash? Never gonna happen!
cctman 5 months ago 2
@elhigu
I never mentioned a platform.
erikkl2000 5 months ago
I like both Flash and HTML5... but really, they each have their place on the web and I don't think one should dominate the other.
cubby1996 7 months ago
@cubby1996 molehill is a beast!
Thet3 6 months ago 2
until the damn thing is released, I'm not even worrying about html 5. they have stated html 5 will not be released until 2015. I mean come on. And no, people putting html5 in their websites right now does not constitute a release. The full thing has not been released and all browser / platforms have full html 5 compatibility. The guys who do not design for a living are ruining everything. "I heard from a guy that you can make a whole website in html 5 now" orly? Have him make it then.
shakaama 7 months ago
This is why I hate making games with Flash.
spudzy916 8 months ago
Center is the best by far... flash distorts the blobs to keep the motion "fluid" while the left html5 is choppy and keeping the blobs crisp. The center is crisp while retaining most of the fluid motion. I guess it is a matter of perspective...
maliciousmushroom 9 months ago
the center one is the best, obviously... what is this webkit browser? can I get it on a pc?
VigorousjammerX 9 months ago
@VigorousjammerX FF or Chrome..
Excelsoft 8 months ago
Why won't Apple allow flash on their products? Is that like forcing the user to solely use your products, as in antitrust? Is it an monopoly
12quillemall5321 9 months ago
The webkit isn't too bad. LOL for Safari! I tried playing an HTML5 game on my iPod Touch, and it ran slower than a crippled Turtle. Apple sucks!
TwistedHawk1 9 months ago
Personally I believe it's not flash but safari that the problem. You all have been drinking the apple juice like kool aid. IE still rules.
12quillemall5321 10 months ago
@12quillemall5321 Honestly, I think IE is still not a great browser. As a programmer, I find it very vulnerable to many different exploits. With Active X, I can easily do anything to computer just from a simple exploit I tried out a few weeks ago on the latest version. Personally, I believe chrome is the best because since it's open source, it allows people like me to help fix the exploits.
chanchiem 8 months ago
this was done a year ago, on a browser that barely supports html5 (at the time).. not a fair test really is it, FF4's hardware acceloration for instance, and even IE9's should give a better result now
hearnay 10 months ago
@hearnay fair for when it was posted which was a year ago.. Maybe go apply for a job on fox news.
uaboob 10 months ago
absulautly flash player
MostRasbOne 10 months ago
Looks like Flash kicks HTML5s @ss.. Imagine if Apple allowed Adobe to hardware accelerate?
theoriginalKland 10 months ago
@theoriginalKland Imagine a world with fewer appholes...
uaboob 10 months ago 2
Why is HTML so Jittery when I switch from Flash to that on Youtube? I have an i7 2600k CO'd to 4.1ghz, GTX 470, 20 meg service from Qwest (wayyy better than Comcast in my experience), and Killer2100 network card... I am not bashing HTML5, it is just very jittery for me...
TearsOfWar1 11 months ago
Tried this test in IE9 and in HTML5 and FLash, flash ate up my quad core CPU where the HTML5 verion used one core(25%) FLash used about 3, from 30% - 65% on Average of 55%
iGarthi 11 months ago
# + FTW
junaidtanoli1 1 year ago
All Adobe needs to do is give Flash some good JavaScript DOM access and it's future is secure.. with how wide-spread flash is, I'm rather disappointed HTML5 doesn't have a <flash tag..
neomatrix031 1 year ago
Flash 1995
HTML 2000
biggerben2010 1 year ago
flash is better than html5 demo
irakli393 1 year ago
Did you built this yourself or did you got it from the internet?
rne1223 1 year ago
What's exciting about HTML5 is the compatibility with all other open web technologies like CSS3, Javascript, SVG, WebGL and more. They can seamlessly work together and that's why you should go with open!
Welocy 1 year ago
do you have a tiny red or green box on your brower in Lower right corner. clicking it will either make youtube work or not. changes when you click it.????help. running Ubuntu 10.10 I did opt in for youtube html5????
mbair22 1 year ago
Steve Jobs: Adobe Flash is old and HTML5 is the future...
Me: Yeah... Right... Whatever...
oblivimix95 1 year ago
@oblivimix95 And even if that were true, which I don't know if it is or isn't, what about Adobe Flash 2? Lol. HTML is already at 5. Just saying.
GeekingForJesus 1 year ago
Flash, 1996... HTML, 2000... Source of this info, Wikipedia so I'm not sure if the dates are right :|
oblivimix95 1 year ago
@oblivimix95 That's fine. I trust Wikipedia enough. Didn't they change it to where not just anyone can edit an article? I don't know. But anyway, I'm not a software techie, so I'll just buy based on business and consumer reviews.
GeekingForJesus 1 year ago
@oblivimix95 hahaha you fail
html is the language this website is made in you fool not an apple app!
lmao
bobbystar101 1 year ago
@bobbystar101 hmm. I never said that Flash is a Apple App. **Read previous comment twice**. Yup. WIKIPEDIA said Flash was made in 1996 while HTML (yes I know what HTML I learned that at Elementary. Writing websites in notepad than in adobe dreamweaver... *facepalm*) was made 2000. I know WIKI is an unreliable source... So I guess YOU FAIL at understanding my comment :|
oblivimix95 1 year ago
There's definintely a battle on. Flash is very cool but never really recovered from being rated as "a very good language to write whack-a-mole games with". It has some great sprite features, as this demo shoes, but does it really have the all-round clout to defeat js / html5 / in the next round?
vapourmile 1 year ago
Make a separate clip for each one, that's not exactly the best test. When are you gonna be using all three of these at the same time? Until I see another test, I don't believe it.
TimeToFingerboard 1 year ago
Flash is king.
Iwebguru 1 year ago
@Iwebguru Flash is GOD
MacRief 1 year ago
@MacRief True
Iwebguru 1 year ago
The faster flash is canned the better for everyone who gives a shit about maximum support for all platforms not adobes shitty whim
bcmalloy 1 year ago
I'm happy to see HTML 5 pulling ahead of Flash with the latest % of sites in use. New technology is always hard for diehards to accept. Look at the people who think an upscaled DVD looks and sounds just as good as a Blu-Ray. Flash will die within the next 5 years. Companies respond to consumer demand and with Apple and Microsoft pushing for HTML5 (yes MS too) the format will grow.
dragngt 1 year ago
Flash FTW....HTML 5 on the center is not even rendering a complicated animation but looks blocky and choppy and lacks motion blur (very important in animation)
BannyBunch 1 year ago
search in google for youtube html5 and activate it on youtube website,
i compared many videos and html5 is 33% better, maybe
he is using a too old version of html5 within safari,
actually its at betastadium and for me in some
cases much more better then flash 28th july 2010
DerAbstrakte 1 year ago
@DerAbstrakte
html5 is tied to the rendering engine , he has the lastest version of safari so the lastes webkit
xleo21 1 year ago
@xleo21
ah ok, well is see, this is not a fair comparison,
its just like comparing flash mx 2 with adobe flash 10.1...
but nice try :D
DerAbstrakte 1 year ago
@DerAbstrakte
Huh? Did you understand my comment?
This has nothing to do with oudated html5 specs , it's html5 as it can be used today.
xleo21 1 year ago
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DerAbstrakte 1 year ago
Uploader, can you please update the description to clarify whether this is rendering demo, or video playback?
@compressormax Because we already have hardware (GPU) for rendering graphics, we should assign the rendering job to it and spare the CPU from extra load, that is, unless CPU is able to perform better than GPU.
BTW hardware acceleration is optional. If a Flash app performs badly on non-hw-acceled PC, it's the fault of the app developer for not providing fallback graphics quality.
syockit 1 year ago
do this same test with safari 5
SDKTutor 1 year ago
HTML5 bring us back in time
hdzsound 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
obviously, the html5 is faster and smoother.
RandomDoomsday15 1 year ago
@RandomDoomsday15
Lol, no it ain't. The rightmost uses flash while center and leftmost is html5.
jeznaver 1 year ago
@jeznaver You know, it would be nice if you showed them one at a time and then editted them in? Because Flash could be taking priority as a process?
Foaman 1 year ago
@jeznaver Actually. Flash take up to many CPU to present that demo but without flash being there you would see the HTML 5 would move smother and faster than flash without pigging out your CPU.
Reffiro 1 year ago
@jeznaver Actually if your on a pentium 3 800mhz system, flash runs like a slideshow, html5 runs perfect smooth.
Also if your on a 64bit system (esp linux) then flash you have to click and pray (that it works)
Flash is shit cant wait till everyone stops using that flash shit throwback to the 90s
bobbystar101 1 year ago
@jeznaver
I believe he was being sarcastic!
khopcraft 1 year ago
@jeznaver webkit supports most elements in the HTML5 database anyway, and safari safari 4 doesn't support HTML5 as thoroughly as webkit also known as the Browsers for Android phones and Chrome. of course HTML5 will be slower for on Safari 4 because not all the pieces are supported. Flash was supported way back.
LiteCastStudios 8 months ago
@jeznaver html5 is a new concept the kinks haven't been worked out yet....
death42er 6 months ago
@death42er no joke. This video is working on 2 years old and YouTube still defaults to Flash. Google, along with ESPN, Disney, Ford, etc, etc. still favor Flash. Its a great platform and has many advantages over other options. HTML 5 has a lot of promise and is good in certain cases, but it doesn't kill Flash. Use what works.
musiccitylive 5 months ago
@musiccitylive right you are Flash Until the next thing comes along and for sure works better! (stability is key)
death42er 5 months ago
@RandomDoomsday15 lol chump
MacRief 1 year ago
@RandomDoomsday15 herp derp :P
ZayLong 6 months ago
@RandomDoomsday15 with these result who in his insane mind will say tha HTML5 is the "F" future
BannyBunch 5 months ago
@RandomDoomsday15 now html5 is the best option, accept it flash users
pablosantacruzpalma 5 months ago
@pablosantacruzpalma the best option for what though? fact is if you want a custom videoplayer for example or a microsite with any form of intense animation or transition html5 is useless. If you want a nice information site,with a smooth navigation and an image slider then theres absolutely no need for flash . The fact is,the average user/client doesnt give a crap about what technology is used so long as it works. But as a developer you must choose the right tool for the job.
charltonochoa 5 months ago
@pablosantacruzpalma
Really? i have a challenge for you then. show me an html5 video player that supports alpha channels. i want an actor (shot on green screen) to walk across the top of the rest of the webpage and deliver a sales pitch. auto-play, no controls, and no flash allowed.
lukedesmith 1 month ago
Bollocks. My PC and MacBook Pro can render HTML5 way better than Flash. I don't get framerates like that. But then, you're using safari 4. Chrome 4, which I use, is basically the same engine, but it can do those HTML5 demos faster than Flash. And Flash isn't just a CPU sucker on OS X, it does it on mobile devices and desktops, too.
Additionally, Jobs was right about Flash. FroYo devices heat up, they render Flash choppily, and of course it's a memory hog.
Tasuret 1 year ago
OSX is the worst OS you could of picked to do this demo. There is no HW acceleration on OSX.
CapitalGamer 1 year ago
@CapitalGamer on newer macs hardware acceleration is available for h264 video.
and h264 is the best video codec out right now
thedadymac 1 year ago
Sure, Flash does use more CPU - but to me the difference is clear...these HTML5 frame rates are atrocious. Users don't know or care what the CPU usage is, they know what looks good. Flash is too far ahead of the game in so many areas to just lay down and die.
Goobicon4507 1 year ago
Another obvious thing here, ActionScript/Flash already supports visual effects such as motion blur and glow...I don't know that HTML5 does that, but everything I've seen so far tells me, it ain't so.
Goobicon4507 1 year ago
not only the HTML5 versions are slower, but they dont even have the pseudo-dof (blur) or the more intricate patterns that are in flash (and it runs faster)
danielsiq 1 year ago
FLASH RULE!!!
d1me07 1 year ago
Mac OSX is a very chopped and screwed degenerate version of BSD Unix. If you ask me, Mac OS isn't properly coded. If Adobe isn't able to get Flash to run on the CPU efficiently, it's not the programmers fault that he/she has to jump through hoops to port a proper Mac version. It's Apple's fault for sticking to this closed environment. I've seen things run just fine on all Linux, FreeBSD, Unix Core, OpenBSD distro's. Oh, and Windows too. They all run Flash just fine without hogging CPU or RAM.
xanZion1 1 year ago 5
@xanZion1 Exactly!
TrickyEmu 1 year ago
@xanZion1 it's just that adobe isn't interested in developing for a small platform like the mac, and as you see, it does work good enough but it's still too buggy and slow.
and why should you be forced to use a plugin, while your browser is able to do the same without any plugins?
and btw: Mac OS X is based on OpenBSD which is said to be the most secure operating system! this is what you pay for, when you buy a mac.
you have to choose whether you take the closed but secure system or not...
pcfreak1992 1 year ago
@xanZion1 well said
BannyBunch 1 year ago
@xanZion1 Yes but HTML5 still is faster, smoother and more efficient regardless of what OS you use.
Using a pentium 3 800mhz I could watch html5 videos smoothly but not flash. Using Linux 64bit I can watch HTML5 perfectly every time. Flash plugin 64bit keeps crashing and going slow (which is odd since I am on a 64bit cpu)
bobbystar101 1 year ago
@bobbystar101
This is because some Flash based programs require hardware acceleration (tapping into the video card). If your card is old, weak, or if your drivers are outdated (this is more than likely the culprit) it will stagger. However, HTML5 does not have video acceleration capabilities (at least yet). So, while your programs may be slow on Flash, many of them are totally unplayable on HTML5. The future holds a mix of Flash and HTML5. People use Flash for more than videos...
mshartz5 1 year ago
@mshartz5 This still doesn't explain my experience. Infact my processor was the weakest part of the system, I had 1GB ram and a geforce 5950 ultra so with hardware acceleration surely flash should have played smooth (just videos btw) rather than HTML5 as was the case?
bobbystar101 1 year ago
xactly wat r we suppose to be looking for in this video
00GTAlexander 1 year ago
look html5 is behind flash by years. There is limited support for HTML5 and will take some time to catch up if at all. 85% of the Alexa top 100 sites use flash. 75percent of all video on the web is flash. If you have Apple this is too bad for you huh. I like to use products that are not limiting. I have a PC and can use HTML5 and Flash and therein lies the difference. An apple fan is force fed what they do, where they do it, and what they do with their hardware.
uaboob 1 year ago 40