lake of fire documentary movie revue abortion pro life choice

[Craash950523]

¿Como llegué aquí?

[tra1215]

Ok, I know that you posted this review a long time ago and I'm a little late to the party, but I have something to say. You took something completely different from this documentary than I did. I'm not going to dispute every thing you said, but I will say this: I have a HUGE problem with you calling anyone "pro-abortion". As a pro-choice supporter, I would like to see fewer abortions and more prevention. It would be nice if no woman ever even HAD to make this decision. Choose your words better.

[tofuaddict1]

@tra1215 Words such as "choice" and "life" can refer to a variety of topics other than abortion which is why I agree with using terms such as pro/anti abortion. If someone is "pro-abortion", it just means that they believe that abortion should be permitted in most/all cases. However this does not mean that they necessarily LIKE abortion. As a person who would probably be classified as "pro-life" or "anti-abortion", I too would like to see more prevention and fewer abortions.

[galerouth]

@tofuaddict1

in an abortion debate, then you are confusing "pro-abortion" with the word, "pro-choice."

pro abortion means forced abortions.

[BigMikeMcBastard]

God damn what a painful review to listen to.

[Freng1410]

Alright, secondly Mr. Gershwitz's statement was correct because a child does actually have to accepted by their parents to become fully human. For a child to develop someone does have to decide they are human, it's human psychology. We need to be acknowledged as people, loved, given affection, offered guidance etc. Humans are social creatures and need these interactions for an entire part of their brain to develop, so you are wrong, at least for a far more complex reason.

[miggetymike1]

@Freng1410 You claim that a child is not fully human if not accepted by his/her parents. If the child is not fully human than what is it? What if a child is accpeted by one parent but no the other, is it 3/4 human? What is the other 1/4? This also means that for the first time in science history a human could become a non human simply by its parents deciding so. Interesting logic.

[Freng1410]

To respond to your comment on Mr. Gerswitz, I do not agree with your argument and actually concede to is reasoning. First of all the idea tthat we full grown thinking adults should take on such a serious endeavor as bring a child into the world just because a sperm cell fertilized an ova is absurd. To have a child is a whole decision and as evidence many people fail horribly as parents. Many people neglect, beat, and abuse their children. Do you think those people's decisions were whole.

[brittanielynnberg]

Awesome review! I am actually waiting to receive this documentary in the mail. I am against abortion, and I am not a super Christian fanatic. I just believe it is a huge contradiction. A mother kills her newborn and it is illegal. A mother goes into an abortion clinic with the same outcome and it is legal. Thanks for the review, I cannot wait to view this documentary:)

[leiapeison]

studies show outlawing abortion doesnt reduce the number of abortions either. in fact, countries where it is illegal have HIGHER rates with added maternal mortality. not to mention more child and infant abandonement. also just ignore that LifeReport. my friend and I made a response video awhile back to them and they false dmca"d it. they are cowards.

[miggetymike1]

that's a very bold claim. What is one of the studies you referenced that show outlawing abortion doesnt reduce the number of abortions?

[leiapeison]

your analogy of the house being bulldozed is silly. a woman is not a house. this is about a woman having the right to the disposition of her own body from others, including a fetus. we err with the woman because she is the one that has to give birth. she is already an established person with preexisting rights.

[leiapeison]

the only relevant question is NOT whether it is human. no one has a right to leech off my body to sustain themselves. an elderly person is not using my organs. my sexual parts are mine and not for others to use born or unborn. we need to get better birth control so this issue can be put to rest.

[miggetymike1]

It's interesting that when deciding whether or not to kill something whether or not the thing is a human isn't important to you.

studies show that birth control education does not reduce the number of elective abortions.

[galerouth]

@miggetymike1

thanks for proving that libertarians don't shit about abortion, like ron paul, thus shouldn't be talking.

no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights...a fetus is a parasite according to science and women have the right to abort it.

that's why you are not force to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception

[tofuaddict1]

@galerouth Could you please give us some more clarification on how a human fetus and donating a kidney are anything alike? Secondly, if science says that human fetuses are parasites,then wouldn't our species die as a result of all of our pregnant women dying from these parasites leaving us unable to reproduce resulting in the discontinuation of the human species?

[galerouth]

@t

when did i say they were anything alike? i was talking about not being forced to donate anything...it was pretty clear "no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights."

when did science say that having a parasite in your body means you automatically die? it's clear that u can have a parasite like a tapeworm or a bot fly live just fine...so your point is, if u have 1?

[tofuaddict1]

@galerouth Your comment began with a law to support your view then you brought up a point stating that a human fetus was scientificallya parasite which I assumed was your next point and to finish you wrote"that's why you are not force to donate your kidney-the human fetus is no exception" which was separated from the rest of the text so I assumed it was a separate idea. Im pretty sure that science doesnt classify fetuses as parasites. As for your last point inyour reply no I don't have parasites

[galerouth]

@to

you butted into a debate that i had with mike, with your misreading of abortion law, that i had to explain to you what "not being forced means." and the second part, about fetuses being parasites, had nothing to do with the law, it's just a fact: google the function of trophoblast cells.

this is what i typed: it's clear that u can have a parasite like a tapeworm or a bot fly live just fine...so your point is, if u have 1?

to your response of pregnant women dying because of parasites.

[tofuaddict1]

@galerouth Your debate was open for anyone to read and butt into, so that's exactly what I did. The structure of your comment was confusing so I asked for clarification.

Trophoplast cells explain how fetuses get nutrients from their mothers but that doesn't mean that science classifies them as parasites. Parasites are organisms that live off of a host of another species.

"...so your point is, if u have 1"-No, my doctor said that I didn't have any parasites.

[galerouth]

@t

actually, no ---you were mislead into believing that your pro-life, schizophrenic fascism trumps reality and law. no, it's not about questioning, because abortion is constitutional, thus protected by the 14th amendment's equal protection clause: "no human has a right to life by the use of another against their will and legal rights"...it's settled.

science already proved that any organism that invades, steal nutrients, and cause another organism harm IS a parasite, ergo the human fetus.

[galerouth]

@t

"Parasites are organisms that live off of a host of another species."

HA! then what's a parasitic twin? face it, your science is based off of lies and that can be easily disproven by nature.

"it is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."

answers com/topic/symbiosis --–Gale's Science of Everyday Things:

Symbiosis

it depends on the doctor, even scientists back in Galileo's days didn't accept the earth wasn't the center of the universe.

[galerouth]

@t

'No. "Forced abortions" means "Forced abortions".'

you said that pro-choice was pro-abortion, which is not true, pro-choice is to support the reproductive freedoms of women...not pro-abortion, which is for forced abortion. "Should it be legal?" it is, so your point is? and "Then should the taxpayer pay for it or the individual seeking one?" no fed tax dollars pays for abortions, it's called the hyde amendment, but some states do pay for abortions, but that's with in their rights.

[tofuaddict1]

@galerouth Lookup "pro" and "forced" in the dictionary you will get 2 completely different definitions."Choice" can refer to the choice of friends, clothing, hobbies, etc. and nobody is arguing against that in an abortion debate. A debate isn't about the laws themselves, it's about questioning them. Those in favor of keeping abortion completely legal are pro-abortion and those that aren't are anti-abortion.

[punksquash]

I like the analogies you pulled out. You weren't stupid, and you sounded edjucated. For that alone I thank you. You weren't emotional and you weren't irrational. I thank you for that too.

Nice review.

[tomitstube]

of course it's human, duh. it isn't a fish or a chicken. that can't be the question. the question is, do parents have the right to choose when to start their own families. or do complete strangers get to control that decision? forcing people to have children is unconstitutional. there ya have it. it remains legal to end a pregnancy.

[miggetymike1]

Since you admit abortion kills a human your position is that it's wrong for the government to stop people from having humans killed because people might not want to have a baby. So why stop at birth? Why should the government not let people kill two year olds? Why should the government take away peoples right to choose after birth?

[tomitstube]

well no, that doesn't work either. you're trying to force a square peg in a round hole. 12+12 doesn't equal 376. thanks for taking us down your slippery slope though.

[bubblecharts]

I watched the movie also. It was good on some parts.

[xDevolutionx]

Just a question on your stand point, you say your Libertarian, so you believe in the individual and rights of the individual and a scaling back of the government?

[miggetymike1]

Your comment helps point out a weakness in the documentary.

The whole abortion debate hinges on whether it's a human or not. Has nothing to do with choice, unwanted child statistics, Jesus...

So back to your comment: If it's a human then of course libertarians would be against allowing people to kill humans.

The pro choicers in the documentary make numerous irrelevant arguments but never discuss the only one that matters: Is it a human or not?

[xDevolutionx]

I have to say, the whole "is it human or not" seems extremely subjective. Some people think a fetus is a person, while others see it as a parasite, needing the protection and food from its host to grow and at some point, live.

Its like everything in our world, its subjective. Morals, religion, political views, all hinges on the persons up bringing and experiences that shape them as a person.

Arguments of this nature can never really go anywhere, because people wont change what they believe.

[miggetymike1]

common argument: "Don't think about whether it's human or not; it's subjective."

I guess it technically is a parasite in that it "takes its nourishment from another organism." But in that way so are babies and the elderly. We're back to the only relevant question: Is it Human? It's not as subjective as you think: heartbeat, complete human genetic code, brain waves, all human organs... These are objective facts. What argument could you make that a 5 month old fetus wasn't human?

[LifeReport]

I disagree that morals are subjective. For example, no matter what culture you're brought up in, female genital mutilation is wrong. It just is, and we know that.

I agree that our beliefs form based on our experiences, parents, etc. but that's different than saying morals are subjective. Some things are just wrong, no matter what, like killing people because they're in the way and can't defend themselves.

This is an excellent movie review, Michael.