US attack on Iraq's Thar Thar Lake area - 14 Oct 07

[jbyrd0861]

this wasnt exactly how it happened

[usmanmhaneef]

No 1 will alive after 100 years. Me, u and a guy who is reading this. All of us will in the sand and will weat for 1 day. The day of innocent people. The Day of judgement.

All will take there own rights even he is american or Iraqi or Saudi or every 1 .

[em1b20vtec89]

really?? did u at least get some action

[3reelle]

i was there too.... "Speed and Power"

[crlmoran]

Fuck theese people. I was there in April 07 and there was no one in sight. They where all hiding. We found a shit load of weapons and ordnance, bunkers, and a car bomb factory.

[joealencar]

its funny how most people around the world with no knowledge of the situation, always favor the side that is not Technologically advanced, and labble the nations with power as the aggressors.

[imedi]

@joealencar lol thats funny considering you have to travel thousands of miles to this in their country.. i have no doubt that if iraqis were doing this in america americans would have the support of the world it has nothing to do with power,.

[GILIGILI9]

UN is a joke

[hajqbvii]

War is never fair on the civilians who are just trying to weather it out. How can the military recognise who is non combative?

The killings are mostly indiscriminate on the insurgents side. Bombing public places...?

Why don't they try the embassy, foriegn profiteers place of business or maybe the Base...?...Leave the civilians alone!

[andersona187]

Today in the World, American media is a joke! Aljazeera sets the standard for objective journalism. The video show the unethical & immoral practices of American. Your brave boys has no self respect, no value. You guys are born of a jackal.

[tkstka]

last I checked U.S was the one who started all the wars.. only time Iraq ever started war was when U.S was supporting them

[TAMARLANE]

You should check again. When you try to make sense from an ignorant starting point you will just make argle gargle.

[tkstka]

Oh how was my statement wrong... ???

;DD

You are out of control buddy.. :D

What kind of sjy colour you guys have there?

[stphnwere]

@tkstka Don't talk so daft Iraq started the war with Iran and they started the war with kuwait which was the start of the latest war(It was the continuation of the war which was only on a cease fire,for weapons inspectors to look for W.M.D)

[TAMARLANE]

The fact that left-wingers BLINDLY believe socialist propaganda, alJazeera news and most of the media speaks volumes. They are not logical thinkers unless you count cleaning der explosive vests. They are major pussies who FELL HOOK LINE AND SINKER for the UMMA GAME played on them. If you ever listen to LEFT wing radio notice how the ads use fear to get the moonbats to consume. Proof it works. They are pretty much a cult.

[tkstka]

Al Jazeera has nothing to do with sosialism.. GTFO..

[malagent]

RE "Al Jazeera has nothing to do with sosialism.. GTFO.."

Who said they did? TAMERLANE listed

"socialist propaganda, alJazeera news and most of the media"

That's clearly a list - not a description of a single item.

It's what we use those commas - uh sorry funny little dots with tails - for.

But really, I don't know of anything that has to do with "sosialism"

[ziber22]

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[ijohneb]

So then you agree the insurgents are indeed pussies for trying to use women and chidren as body armor. AS far as the disproportion in tanks and missles etc... I am pretty sure the U.s army is willing to meet them in the desert no tanks and planes. WE would still win. There is nothing on Earth except God that fight like an American Warrior period.

[tkstka]

they are not using them litrely as a shield..

but if there is only one house where you can hide I know it's going to be full if there is bullets flying outside.. you have to be stupid or mentally retard to stay outside.

You know you would be first inside if bullets were flying towards you.. Let's forget all the movies and be realistic

[tkstka]

Because all these countries were once part of Russia and were very small countries Stalin said no one will bow to them.. Just march to their capital city and take over.. Like what Hitler did to poland. Took over the country in one day.

So stalin was like I can do this too.. and attacked Finland.. well Because thei didn't bow to us we won.. We just would dig down to the mud wait for them to come and shoot them when they were at sight. they got their ass kicked in Winterwar.

[tkstka]

I'm going to tell you about this one war.. It's a good example of what happends when your pride is with you in the battlefield and when you don't respect your opponent.

In WW2 Soviet union and Nazi germany made a deal they would divide Europe. This was secret deal with Stalin and Hitler. and Hitler got almost all the westside of the europe and the middle. And gave estonia latvia lithuania and finland to Soviet Union

[tkstka]

these two are connected if you can make the puzzle

[BUDDAWG2004]

all iraq has to do is step up and take over command,fight the insurgants themselves and the americans leave.

[tkstka]

BUT THE INSUGENTS ARE THEM...

[malagent]

re "BUT THE INSUGENTS ARE THEM..."

What about all the ones from Syria, Lebenon, Iran & other places? Are the them just because they are there?

[UTBESUX]

The fact that right-wingers BLINDLY believe Bush, Fox news and most of the media speaks volumes. They are not logical thinkers unless you count cleaning der guns. They are major pussies who FELL HOOK LINE AND SINKER for the FEAR GAME played on them. If you ever listen to right wing radio notice how the ads use fear to get the wingnuts to consume. Proof it works. They are pretty much a cult.

[TAMARLANE]

These Islamists don't care about women and children being blown to bits if they do it, they only don't like it when we kill some of them along with the women and children they hide behind.

[tkstka]

you obviosly didn't watch the video.. The u.s troops were shooting.. not the insurgents..

[ijohneb]

Where in the video did it say only the U.S. troops were shooting. It never said that. However why don't you blame the cowards who hide behind there wife's skirt or their baby's crib. Since this war started mor civilians have been killed by insurgents and Al-Queda then by the U.S. but I know you will continue to ignore that to

[tkstka]

I was not talking about this video.. If you didn't figure that out by your self we are not going talk anymore.. I assume everyone here can use their heads for putting together thoughts

[ijohneb]

If you were not talking about this video then to what video were you refering? Just admit you got called and caught believing a lie. People can have diffrent opinions however the truth is the truth. Anyhting else is a lie.

[malagent]

It's 70% or more killed by terrorists or insurgents directly.

30% remaining consists of a lot of Sunni vs Shia vs Kurd vs anyone in the way etc. that's what people have to understand.

Death is bad, but it's drastically overstated in the media.

[tkstka]

Ya give the credit to everyone else and not U.S.. very patriotic

[malagent]

re "Ya give the credit to everyone else and not U.S.. very patriotic"

I'm not giving credit - I'm simply stating facts. They are not always that hard to find if one really wants them.

[tkstka]

hah and who took made those facts? :D

irony - when arguing and debunking himself.. :P

[stphnwere]

That is probably cos the scum (I wont call them Insurgents cos most of them should not be there) have put their guns away and then"I am innocent Iraqi"Shithouse twats

[IronManu77]

@stphnwere You were not supposed to be there anyway. That country belongs to Iraqis only and not to anyone else!

[TAMARLANE]

There is an American equivalent to Arab Tribal vendettas. The Hatfields and the McCoys went at it for a few generations. An eye for an eye. Killing each other in the hopes to gain vengeance.

But, unlike the Arabs, it has not become a "way of life" for 1300 years.

I have learned one thing during this conflict. Arabs, both Shia and Sunni are all ringier than a pet coon.

[tkstka]

The thing is if your country was up in flames you would be like them or even worse..

It's every man for him self there.

[stphnwere]

That is the trouble with the less civilised countries,It is always every man for himself that is why they have so much bandit scum living there

[tkstka]

...

you would be first to steal and rob people if the shit went down.. you are judging and giving blame but when your economy was down and money wouldn't have any value, no jobs, no electicity, no food, no clean water and you had 2 or 3 kids screaming for food.. you would be there with the "scum" trying to get anything you can get your hands with.. Thanks to the U.S Iraq has shitty economy and before the war it was one of the leading capitalist countries in Middle east after Isreal.

[stphnwere]

@tkstka I would work for it and I would refrain from having kids untill I could support them.

[IronManu77]

@stphnwere And you did anything to make it more civilized? Actually, Iraqis have a very good culture of embracing and welcoming a guest in their homes and offering food and water. I went to a neighbor once in USA asking to be seated until my family came back home, but she looked at me weird and said no straight up. 2 months earlier, this same girl did not hesitate in asking us for milk which we politely gave to them.

[TAMARLANE]

globalwaronbias wrote

Why would anyone believe it WASNT wanton attack? How many Abu Ghraibs and child rapes does America have to see before admitting to itself the truth? Liberate yourself from needy illusions.

I would believe wasn't wanton attack. I am American veteran. We don't do that. Insane infidels blow up innocent children, women and whomever over there, and you think America is the bad guy?

[tkstka]

SO what if you are american veteran it doesn't change the fact that IRAQIS are being murdered My u.s troops.. Stop telling us your stupid opinions when you obviously aren't any better then the rest of us..

[TAMARLANE]

Iraqis are murdering Iraqis at a rate unknown in America. America is there to try to change all that. Iraq without all the tribal killings could become a nice place.

America is not trying to change all that for purely altruistic reasons however. We are concerned for ourselves, now that Islamists have attacked our country. We go to the source of the problem to try to correct it.

[tkstka]

ahahah and I guess that didn't start when Ohh HMMmm well let me think.. when U.S invaded Iraq in 2003 because Saddam had everything under control

[ijohneb]

Ley me ask you a question since you want to use history. Was Saddam in violation of his ceasefire agreement with the United States when the war started?

As far as him having everything under control yeah he did. If you was his enemy then you and your enitre family got put into a mass grave. But you like that kind of control. You want to see that form on govt. come back.

[TAMARLANE]

Let me ask you a question too.

Saddam was murdering treacherous infidel, as such would you prefer his type of leadership in Iraq, and his style of killing innocent kurds and shiite Iraqis in the south, and lobbing missiles into Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Saddam had to go. We did a bad job of mopping up afterwards because naive George thought Arabs were like all people, honorable at their core.

[ijohneb]

I think you responded to the wrong person. I do not think Arab honor and American Honor is the same thing. So I know better. I am also A student of Gen. Sherman. "War is something that they choose to wage. I am to give them all they desire."

[tkstka]

How is arab honor and American honor different? does they have some mystical Honor that rest of the world doesn't know?

[ijohneb]

Does America have a mystical honor? no. Does USA have honor the rest of the world doesn't? Absolutly no other country in the history of man will come to the aid of thoose oppresed. Not one.

THe reason Arab honor is diffrent is because Arab culture is diffrent. It is not a knock just the truth. Japanesse honor was diffrent during WWII. They did what they thought was honorable by USA standards that gets you the death penalty after the war. An unhonorable death.

[malagent]

re "Saddam had to go"

And it's a good thing he is gone. Even with the sloppy job of cleaning up things are not as bad as the media & the "anti-war at all costs crowd" want us to think. It takes time to transition from Crazy dictator to stable democracy, especially when all the neighbors want to get in on the fight to screw it up.

[malagent]

re "Saddam had everything under control"

It's real easy when you're a dictator and simply kill everyone who even looks at you funny or gas groups of people then dump in mass graves, or torture people in public etc etc ad infinitum.

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[gazb3146]

Yes but Germany wasnt going to hand back the countrys to their people once they had stopped killing eachother and them. the resisting forces in iraq are fighting because they want to get rid of the "filthy" non muslims and gain control of the country for themselves as dictators, if they were fighting the occupying forces then why murder ur own people and leaders by far most of the iraqi civillians are killed by islamic extremists who believe they are true muslims when indeed they are not!

[tkstka]

now you are giving all the blame to iraqis like they are acting like animals and going around and killing their own people.. You should know that Iraq isn't very new country Saddam was the only one who got those people under control and now that they are all "Free" they don't want to have anything to do with their enemies.. And those include everyone who is not with them.. Simple

[tkstka]

But what U.S is trying to do is to keep Iraq together what is like saying to some strangers "you have to marry and have children".. They are not going to take bullshit if they can be free.. They have to just fight for it

I'm not going to blame anyone for expecially iraqis because they are in no control actually people who are in control live many miles away from iraq.. Israel, U.S, Iran, Syria, Britain,

[tkstka]

They are all trying to force their believes and ideas to normal Iraqis what is wrong..

They all try to take control of Iraq like they are cattle and nothing more..

I know it's not right Israel, U.S, and Iran should all leave them be and have their own states.. or countries. But U.S is trying to but a puppet leaders and the people already voted against them.. So you know what Iraqis want..

[phatslapper]

Let's leave and let them kill off each other. It wont take too long.

[southwicklion]

thats the talk of an idiot

bring m home

because it hasnt worked

then apologise for making life worse for these people

I LIVE IN THE WORLD

YOU LIVE IN A SMALL COUNTRY

a united world is a peaceful world

[phatslapper]

And your suggestions?

[ziber22]

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[BUDDAWG2004]

you are clearly a idiot

[BUDDAWG2004]

all i know, if i had rebels hiding in my neighboorhood and americans were going to bomb it. i would be killing me some rebels. thats what the iraqis need to do. we took out the leader now they have to step up

[bluefont]

"Does a Western democracy have a better right to kill innocent people than a Middle Eastern dictatorship?" - Howard Zinn on War

[TAMARLANE]

I hope aljazeera isn't suggesting that America is just wantonly killing civilians here. Even though the focus of this story seems to be the dead children and women, no mention is made of why America picked this place to attack.

It would be nice if we knew.

[globalwaronbias]

You excusing this terrorist attack, scamarlane? Did those children have those "WMD"? You tell US why you were there in the first place. The onus is on you. 100 percent on you...This war wasn't just an attack on the Iraqis. It was an attack on all Americans.

[globalwaronbias]

Why would anyone believe it WASNT wanton attack? How many Abu Ghraibs and child rapes does America have to see before admitting to itself the truth? Liberate yourself from needy illusions.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

Child rapes? Where are you getting that from? Pointing to a couple incidents doesn't negate other needs. You people just love to grab onto a single fact, then salivate all over yourselves because you get to perpetuate your petty stereotypes.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

Thats what they always suggest, day in and day out. There was no real proof of a ground assault, but notice how they put that in there to make it more juicy? Oh, the mean ol' Americans came in!

Guess what, there probably WERE terrorists there. Our military goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, unlike AlQuada or any number of other organizations.

[BUDDAWG2004]

up to a million now huh?

[freesoul2005]

They wont become insuregents if Iraqis promise to re-build the American nation from grounds up, impose true democracy (no lobbyists based), and possibly divide the nation on racial lines

LoL

[BUDDAWG2004]

thats why iraqis need to root out insurgents

[bbproductionsLA]

"is this democracy" I apologize to the Iraqis, your blood isn't cheap, I didn't vote for Bush.....

[EmperorAtahualpa]

So much for America being "victorious"...

[jcscxx]

The war crimes are increasing daily and increasingly more violent.

The American military are turning daily more violent and criminal.

Military honor is something they forgot,if they anytime knew...

[tkstka]

another idiot who is willing to kill Iraqis and don't even know how they are typed..

[ijohneb]

Where is the crime. The enemy hides amongst women and children and use them as human shields. Like all liberals you blame the police for the death of the hostages and not the hostage takers. The real criminal is use because you encourage their tactics. You support their continued use. Wy don't you say to them be a man put on a uniform and present yourself on the field of battle? The reason is because like them you are a coward to hiding in shadows surrounded by women and children.

[Vwatcher12]

"the UN is Urging the US to Work Vigorously" HAHA! The US knows what they are doing and that's why the Iraqi's are Dieing.

[CellarDoorVI]

Propaganda.

People apply more blame to the US than they do to the people that actually endangered the women and children.

Terrorists surround themselves with women and children in a house, intentionally operate and attack US forces, and then when US forces strike as a matter of defense, the innocent people die as a result. Then propaganda like this video can be spread across the world without context to blame the US for something that the insurgents were responsible for.

[cimmerianpraetor]

I thought that everyone is innocent unless proved otherwise. In this case it seems, that you accept the theory "not guilty unless murdered by military".

[ironlamb]

Propaganda? So thats what you call reporting the facts?

[DamNationDiplomat]

Since when has a 'strike' been 'a matter of defense?' The US military is responsible for innocent deaths numbering in the hundreds of thousands; estimates range from 400 thousand to over a million, and for what? Don't bother talking about 9/11; we've killed more than ten thousand percent the number incinerated in to a pile of rubble on that day. Wrap your head around that, and say with a straight face that saddam was worse and the insurgents have no right to hate us.