Ex FBI agent FIL threatens Grandparents Rights in Texas

[fearingomelas]

The Supreme Court declared that laws cannot by made that force a parent to give visitation to any 3rd party, ie grandparents.

[phenalli]

This guy makes me ill, I'm so sorry you ever had to deal with this.

[damasque]

To throw my thoughts in the ring, I'd have to say life without my inlaws has made a huge impact on our lives. We were so miserable with their venom seeping into our everyday lives we couldn't be the best people we could be. These people should be and were cut out. They do not deserve pity, they had none for us and what they put us through.

To update CPS was called 6 months later. The case was closed. ILs tried to say it wasn't them but only TWO children were named as victims. Not three.

[KTisinnocent]

Grandparents rights WILL be squashed without fail and I actively fight it along with many other parents. You can't force relationships and if a parent deems you unworthy of being around their family, then you're unworthy. Learn your place as a non-parent.

I can't believe the gall. If a woman has a bad relationshp with her parents then she had better not procreate without fear of being forced to let them see the child that SHE creats and SHE gives birth to.

[damasque]

@KTisinnocent This is my fear. I shouldn't have to endure my husband's parents emotional or verbal abuse. He shouldn't either. If they wanted to have a relationship with their grandkids they should have built a positive relationship with us. They chose not to. And then try to divide our children and our family.

[KTisinnocent]

Also, I'm so damned tired of you people basing taking your extreme cases and thinking that the exceptions should be made for everyone. I really don't give a damn what happened in your past. It doesn't meant that EVERYONE should allow access to grandparents if they don't wish. Not every parent is abusive. ABUSIVE parents should be made to give grandparents rights, but not ALL parents.

You support the abolishment of parental rights, to favor grandparnets rights. Wise all right.

[KTisinnocent]

Thank YOU luvumoppy for proving OUR points. You butt into other people's business and parenting. You judge the things they have done in their life that do not concercn you. Who cares if she is on welfare and has kids by different dads? You are also not their 24/7.

You're such a mother-in-law. Some "wisdom". Ignorant people don't KNOW they are wrong. You're "wisdom" suggests that parents should be forced to allow access to THEIR child. NOT. YOUR. CHILD. Repeat that in your head until it sinks.

[KTisinnocent]

Stop with the argument about whats best for the child. Grandparents are NOT as important as you wish they were. Period end of statement. Parental rights trump grandparents

[luvumoppy]

@KTisinnocent You've Proven My Point! What A Shame! Thanks 4 making my Day and making me fell SOOOO very Right! We have WISDOM & Much More Patience than younger person who lose their temper and resort to that kind of language. And since your on the internet - look it up about IN JUST HOW MANY WHERE US GRANDPARENTS TRUMP& TAKE WHAT U ALL HAVE FAILED 2 DO!! When u got the time, drive over and make my grandbaby's parent's lift 1 finger to do anything 4 her welfare.

[luvumoppy]

@KTisinnocent That means beside having different kids by different men and staying on WELFARE> Just feeding, clothing, loving or even to talk 2 her. I'm sure she would appreciate you help!

[KTisinnocent]

Luvumoppy. Stop blaming God for such evil injustices. Two people marry and start their OWN lives and conceive and birth a child and you think they should be forced to allow someone else contact? Society has believed for years that people need to stick around eachother because they are related by accident of birth. It's nothing but a fallacy. GOOD grandparents don't even deserve rights to SOMEONE ELSE'S child. The PARENTS have all the emotional investment and responsibility. HOW DARE YOU BITCH?

[luvumoppy]

State Of CA now has Grandparents Rights. It's the law! Yahoo!!! Praise The Lord!!!

[amyven]

I hope you never called him. I hope that a__hole is out of your lives for good after that message. Your children are better off without him in their lives!

[luvumoppy]

I don't know who's the biggest fool. The one who put this online or all of the fools who responsed against the happiness of an innocent child. Do any of you so called adults think about the feelings of these children.Who hear the remarks, who witness the drama and get caught in the middle. They don't understand why they can't see their grandparents. How do you tell a child, no you can't see grandpa/grandma?THEY ARE CHILDREN.JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE U SHOULDN'T PUT THAT ON KIDS!

[Sharonda06]

Clearly, you've never had an issue with your parents or inlaws demanding to see your children when you are doing your best to protect them. I'm guessing that you are a grandparent? Tell me, do you think it's right to call you your child and DEMAND to see your grandchild? That you are going to sue them just b/c they won't let you see them? Did you stop to think that perhaps these parents have a damn good reason for NOT letting these grandparents see those children?

[Sharonda06]

cont: Are you seriously saying that the parents should just suck it up and let the grandparents see the kids b/c those are their grandchildren? Try this: those are the PARENTS' kids, and they have the right to protect their children from anyone who is toxic or doesn't bring ANYTHING to the table in the form of a safe and loving relationship, and yes, this includes GRANDPARENTS! You say the parents are going against the happiness of a child. How do you know this child isn't happy?

[Sharonda06]

cont: This child is probably VERY happy BECAUSE they don't have the grandparents around! You should really think before you post!

[Sharonda06]

And in case it's not obvious, these comments are directed to luvumoppy or anyone else that thinks these grandparents are being wrongly punished. Take a minute and walk in the shoes of those parents. Based on that voicemail, I'd say they have a damn good reason to protect their child from these selfish grandparents!

[luvumoppy]

@Sharonda06 Like I said. You are all very ignorant! You don't know ALL the facts but, yet you state your opinion on one thing you heard. The facts r that Sooo many parents act in their best interest OF THEMSELF'S (they go by their feelings). NOT WHAT'S THE BEST FOR AN INNOCENT CHILD.I HAD TO BE RAISED BY MY GRANDMOTHER BECUZ MY MOTHER NEARLY BEAT ME TO DEATH ON MORE THAN 4 OCCASIONS. STARTING AT THE AGE OF ONE.

[Sharonda06]

@luvumoppy: Actually, I am familiar with the person who posted this, and even if I wasn't, I would STILL say that this parent is 100% correct in denying the grandparents visitation. I'm sorry that your mother beat you, and I'm not saying that ALL grandparents should be blocked from seeing their grandkids, but in this example, clearly the grandparents should be kept far away.

[Sharonda06]

@luvumoppy (cont:)There are many kids in this country being raised by grandparents, and in those instances, it was probably necessary, but not in this one. Again, THEY are the parents, they have every right to protect their child from anyone who does not respect them as the parents, and that brings NOTHING to the table in the form of a loving relationship.

[Sharonda06]

@luvumoppy (cont)You would sit here and tell me that listening to this audio that YOU would allow your child to see this person? Why?! Just because they're family? If you believe that, you're the ignorant one. And to this grandfather on the vm: good luck with GP rights b/c unless your son dies, divorces his wife or they are otherwise proven unfit parents, then you will NOT have a case.

[mariowedding]

Luvumoppy. You're just another butthurt grandparent who is threatened by the thought of losing access to grandkids. Grandparenting is a privilege. If you knew anything about this woman, you would understand why she had to do what she did. Get over it. I pray that you don't say anything stupid like this to your grandchildren's parents.

[carmnsylvia]

This is what all that crap about "grandparents rights" has done to these crazy grandparents. They don't have rights, they have privileges. When you act like this, then you lose those privileges.

You made your bed, so lie in it.

[sasafrass97]

I hope afte your inexcusable behavior you NEVER see your grandchildren again. You don't deserve to be a grandparent. You're a vile and disgusting douchebag.

[luvumoppy]

@sasafrass97 Was this written by an adult. I think the grandfather proved his point!!!

[jevans7806]

sounds like a last desperate attempt to gain control of a situation he has no business control of. "I've been contemplating" "YOU are going to do this" and "You are going to do that" "Either do this! Or I'll.."

Yeah right. Good luck, pal. And he thinks YOU have an attitude. I love the "there is a law" business. Spoken like someone who obviously has no clue what he's talking about.

Thank God for precious Hunter. All children are precious. What an idiot. Sorry you're related to these people.

[SeductiveSleeze]

As an ex FBI agent he should be aware of the laws in Texas. As you have said, he is bluffing and being a bully. I hope you told that SOB to go pound dirt.

[Aislee1984]

what an ass. I can't stand crazy in-laws.

[shaynaj1980]

I highly doubt the son referred to in this message was raised by loving parents (certainly doesn't sound like it by the words that father says). Sorry, sweetie. You had a chance with your own children; you don't get a second chance with your grandkids, cause you know what? Chances are you'll fcuk them up, too.

[txcuti133]

If the father-in-law is on youtube, you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You are a jackass and do not deserve the love of your grandchildren. It is a privilege to spend time with them, not a freaking right!!! Your son and daughter-in-law have the say in how to raise them you sorry excuse for a human being. Go sit on a treestump you sorry excuse for a human being!!!!!

[bigmomma1965ca]

Any update to this bullying fil?

[jennlow]

You need to report him- the FBI would NOT be pleased. This tarnishes their reputation big time, and he could lose some benefits of his former job if they find out what a whacko he's being. Do it!!

[MrsMildredPierce]

^Totally agree! He wants it "brought to a head," WORD. I'd bring it to a "head" for him, by saving this and any further harrassing correspondence and showing it to his superiors. What a freaking nutjob!

[jennlow]

What a sick whacko!  Good for you for PROTECTING your kids from that crazy man. Former FBI? That's terrifying.

"Gee Dad- how about never, does never work for you?"

Keep documenting these people- they hate to see their actions seen in the light.

[sasafrass97]

NEVER EVER give in to these sick, twisted so called "grandparents" Being a grandparent is a PRIVILEGE, NOT a right! DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! RECORD EVERYTHING! Anyone who threatened me with taking my children away would never, under any circumstances, see MY children again. I also agree with the poster who said to get a lawyer asap. DO NOT EVER ERASE THIS MESSAGE!!!

[nbb45655]

i didnt really see anything wrong with his message, two stories to every side

[mom2danjammar]

I would cut off anyone who threatened me with suing me for rights to see my kids. They would never, ever see the kids again.

How rude and entitlement-minded can you get?

[Marochka]

Please continue to protect your kids and wife from these entitled wackaloons! The favoritism they show is disgusting. If they can't visit at your house and on your terms too bad. Grandparenting is a privelege that they have not earned. Cut these crazies off now!

[ministaci]

Also please consult with a lawyer. It is better to be safe and have counsel before hand. A lawyer can also tell you what your rights are.

Just wondering.............. what is up with leaving Hunter out of it??? Is Hunter your husbands child from another marriage??

[ministaci]

DOCUMENT!!! Get a note book and write down every time you speak to them, who called who, how long you talked, and (if it is legal in your state) record your phone conversations. BE prepared that one day Child services will

Knock on your door. Be polite to them and open. Simply having a stinky home(totally understand the diaper thing!) or homeschooling is not a crime nor a reason to force grandparents rights. Once you show all evidence to them then it will become apparent to the worker.

[Annsdil]

I thought he was talking about "your other" as in significant other" not choosing his GK's. Either way that doesn't make him sound any less of a loon! Keep documenting everything, phone calls and anything in writing.

[rguiding]

OMG! I cannot believe he said that! What an entitled jerk. Stay strong and don't cave.

[coldestpoet]

I cannot BELIEVE the gall. Grandparents have NO rights. They should feel HONOURED to be a part of their grandchildren's lives.

And as one homeschooler to another, the ignorance of that dig is just...wow.

And were they actually wanting to LEAVE OUT one of your kids? That's disgusting.

[FlowerLadyYC]

Are you kidding me? Grandparents have the PRIVILEDGE of a relationship with their grandchildren at the discretion of the parents. At what's up with picking and choosing which grandchildren they want to see? That is disgusting! Anyone who showed favoritism for one of my children over the other would definitely not be having a relationship with them. I would stay as far away from these entitle people as possible.

[OrbitalBurn1]

If "mom" doesn't want to go to the grandkids' house to visit, then that's her choice & her loss. Nobody's twisting her arm to stay away. Loved the "pick & choose WHICH grandkids to see"! ROFL

Toxic people say some funny stuff.

[MrsMildredPierce]

You're being bullied. Don't buy into it. Protect your precious children and KEEP REVEALING. This "man" has no right to threaten you.