Now, potential musicians know that they won't get paid (noone wants to pay for an album) unless they conform to a formula... and this applies to touring too, in a way now. Formulae work. so they think, screw it, I'll be a finance guy or work in IT... unless they are willing to make formulaic garbage like "Gurl I wanna squeeze ya, ooh etc" with similarly terrible formulaic music made by a computer on a digital deck. Unless ISPs have legal power to off the net of a thief, this'll stay.
Even thought you can't generalize about people I know what he's saying about the old school guys as opposed to the new, younger, "smarter", "hipper", school producers. Old school would give you a chance to fail. New School think that somehow they know what will sell and what people will like. Truth is no one knows that and never did.
Frank speaks a lot of truth about this. I'm a huge Garage Rock fan and the reason all this Garage Rock was put out on record was the older execs had no idea what is was about or anything but they knew it was hot and said "Here's the studio boys, have at it!" And what that also does is it keeps the artists music the way they wanted to hear it, no tinkering by "Younger" studio execs who think they know better but actually don't.
He was frustrated with the "hip" guys controlling what music people listen to. I think if he was here today, though, he would reverse it. Today music is made to sell. Get a personality, make some simple catchy music, play the fuck out of it on mainstream radio so people recognize it—and you have a hit.
I think he is right. What he is saying is that the cigar munching guys released 'whatever'.. without an opinion... nowadays... the young guys choose what should or should not be released..hence perpetuating used up ideas and trends cos they know they sell. It's simple economics really. Bands do the same (they are called sellouts). I think John Peel was similar to the cigars-but he did have a clue but played everything anyway! Not swayed by what's in vogue. All you trendies..think on.
Wow, i'd never even heard of Frank Zappa till today when i watched his opinions on schools, i'm only 19 but i've never found a person whose political and philosophical opinions resonate with me so much
@Iodoify Frank always remained a proponent of free thinking & originality. That is why he resonates with you so much. Also, he was very direct. He liked to cut the crap & get straight to the point. More young people should be like you & listen to what he said.
todays musicianship is at its best good talent out there. memorable music? well that another issue. not too much music out there that grabs you at least to remember or sing along. thats just me though.
That wasn't his attitude in the 60s! In an article in Life magazine, he said:
"I remember Mike Maitland who was then vice president and sales manager of Capitol Records. He was decrying the fact that they couldn't get any hit singles, and I said to him, 'Well, Mike, tho reason is because you have the wrong people working for you.' 'Well, what do you want me to do? Get some of these fellows with the tight pants to produce these records?' I said, 'Exactly.
I think his point is this: Nowadays, the big guys are concerned more about what pleases the masses and what makes a quick buck. This means more bland and repetitive music, whereas they used to take chances with more "obscure" music and leave the outcome to chance rather than statistics.
I hate how people love to point their fingers at hip hop, sure the majority of hip hop you hear on the radio is trash, but its the same with every genre of music at this point. Record executives simply dont take risks any more, in today's market where people dont buy records it is safer for them to invest in an artist with a tried and true sound.
@trdegreenia so sad... Luckily anyone can put out their own music now with out a major label. A lot of it might be shit, but some good stuff is coming out of it.
Well here's my theory, people and in particular children and teenagers and even most adults have lost all sense of taste and class, they're too lazy to search for good music so they go with the shit on the radio. Radio DJ's no longer play songs that speak to people and instead they play useless pop trash.
You are spot on there. There are a few people working with me at the moment who are in their late 20's and early 30's. If I mention Led Zeppelin to them they have no idea what I'm talking about. Maybe I'm just getting old :-(
@razorath92 Yeah, music went down hill in the year 1997 for me. The last good year of music for me was 1996. That year and any year before that was when music was good.
I"m a big Zappa fan, I don't agree with Frank on this one, I was music Director, for local radio station, and I"m a musician, I play hours of Zappa music on my shows it was all Zappa & Zappa and the Mothers. I don't know WY he said this, likes the promoters that chomp cigars, and don't know music? I believe Zappa hates music promoters.
@fordachevy I understand what he is saying,You play Zappa all the time,but it is not cutting edge.Its what YOU think is cutting edge.He is saying its better to have somebody that doesnt have any idea about music at all and they take a chance on EVERYTHING,not just what one person thinks is cutting edge. He is saying that if you get one guy that thinks he knows everything about what is cutting edge then you will never have cutting edge.
@fordachevy you haven't been listening. he hasn't said a thing about promoters. he is talking about the people who put up the money for musicians to even have a voice in the first place. you don't get a say till you know what you're talking about.
@fordachevy You were a music director for a LOCAL radio station. He`s talking about the ones running the big record labels. the ones who decide wich videos are gonna be aired on MTV. But you also got to remember that this was in the eighties. Now we have alternative record labels. and internet + home rcording.. things are getting better:) But making it BIG today- beeing aired on MTV etc. is close to impossible if you do something very experimental and out of the ordinary.
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Interestingly, Zappa's comments about the recording business have parallels to the movie industry during the same period. Frank was a sharp one! We're very lucky to have had him!
experimental music is only happening abroad now there taking american derived music of all kinds and putting there ethnic flare and style. Besides europe always appreciated the true musician. Where are the parkers the hendrixes the miles davis the buddy riches the van halens. James browns and when was the last time we here had an Elvis or a Morrison. Were sliding it doesent take much to be hip hop it doesent take much to be a half assed alternative band neither like 85 percent are today.
Zappa is right. The American music sscene has seemed to arrive at and the die with Rap/Hip-Hop..Whne will it fade out like New wave did,like Hair band music did, like Hard rock did..I saw Lil Wayne doing a rap with samples of Iron man, By Black Sabbath..Creative bankruptcy in both the music and film business.I mean after Batman, who wants to see more movies about comic book heros?
@3DDoGG Yeah, yeah, Hip-Hop sucks, it's a futile genre, they only rap about money and ''bitches'', whe get it. And Lil Wayne is shit. I bet you haven't heard much Hip-Hop besides Lil Wayne, Drake and yadda yadda yadda.
Hopefully record companies will one day be no more. The internet will make the way for listeners to have a choice in what they listen to. I agree with Zappa. Who wants some slimy A&R to determine what kind of music the world will listen to. Those days will soon end. Today, independent musicians can make great sounding recordings, for an insanely low cost. Internet radio is becoming more popular. Now it's on the musicians; experiment, stretch out.. too many imitator hoping for a record deal!
I miss Frank. Whether he spoke intelligently and sincere about issues of concern or just banter about mixing weasel dust w/ a telefunken u-47 in the utility muffin research kitchen, he spoke so wise. I really miss Frank.
@Greenless001 Yes, I was told to bleep the video because those words are actually highly classified government secrets. Seriously, are you that paranoid? Of course I wasn't "told" to censor it, it was just hosted on another site and I converted/uploaded the video as is to YouTube, nothing more. Maybe there's an uncensored version somewhere else but the one I uploaded has always been censored, and always will be. 3/4ths of the comments on here are about that, if you want to go through and check.
(cont.) So forgive me for saying this, but what Zappa is saying here was said maybe 30 years ago, and it doesn't apply anymore. Ironically, now we'd be much better off now with hipster doofuses as A&R guys. They'll listen to, appreciate, and hype just about anything experimental or unusual, the bad and the good, and the world at large will embrace it because, though it's cliched and insufferable to say so, people are sheep. But at least now they'd be sheep listening to something interesting.
@dp6876 I love piracy. It's democratic. The deluge of shitty music and demise of record stores are the growing pains of a revolution. And even if something did kill the music business, it wouldn't kill music itself.
Zappa here is talking about labels, specifically major labels, and my comment's about labels. Labels are making less money, moving less product, because the way people get their music is changing in a way that's deemphasized them. That's all I said.
The major labels and many of the indies now are back to being run by today's equivalent of the "cigar-chompers" but they're not saying "who knows" anymore. The biz used to be so profitable you could take chances and lose tons of money releasing weird shit but your "hits" would more than make up for it- 90% of your revenue was coming from 10% of your catalogue. That's gone for good. Now it's the other way around; every move needs to be calculated just so a label can stay afloat thanks to piracy.
Wow, I can't believe this F_CK_IN_ video is being bleeped! Life imitating art I guess. My personal opinion is FU_K THE CENSORS! FU_K THEM IN THEIR JUICY A__HOLES!
This is an interesting take, though I do not think it's totally accurate. There was a documentary on the 60's I think on pbs that described exactly how the doors, greatful dead and janis joplin got signed. It wasn't because cigar smoking capitalists just took a risk, they wouldn't, but because there were 50,000 people in the streets listening to these bands at an outdoor festival. The record company exec, seeing this, said "sign anybody playing here". So maybe it's the audience's fault.
Most of the big acts were signed before any music festival appearances, my friend. I think you are referring to Monterey Pop, or some other festival, and every act at that festival was already signed to a label before they played. With very few exceptions, large labels controlled airplay. If you are referring to San Francisco and the Fillmore, possibly, but the San Francisco phenomenon was more about kids dropping out. The music was good, but was a by-product of that culture.
@GaryXGomes And the guys who did the signing were the cigar chomping guys that Zappa mentions. Heck, Clive Davis from Columbia records was one of those cigar smoking guys!
@GaryXGomes I'm not positive but I think it was the doc pbs did on haight/ashbury, it def wasn't a big name historical fest. You may be right that some did not get officially signed that day but this was from a direct interview with a record label owner explaining the appeal of these bands, it was done because the gatherings in the street of listeners was foregone market research, which promised capital return. But this may be better than hipsters that decide what's good for the public.
these arguments of punk and metal are stupid. how about the crappy bastard mix of new metal and hip hop ? linkin park ? WANK WANK WANK. f#ck i can't stand that band.
The comments here have nothing to do with the pearls of wisdom from Zappa. One day he will be recognised as truly ahead of his time, but by then it will be too late.
he should have just whackin' it or rubbing one out. geez Frank, it's a shame you're gone. I feel like we need a spokesperson for the bullshit the music industry is now again.
@hoghed Nah... he knew how the music business worked and how badly artists get screwed by record companies. He made the bulk of his money touring, just like every other act that was worth more than a minute of listening time. The only people that get hurt by P2P sharing are the people that are in it for the money only (Gene Simmons) and the untalented people you forget about a week after listening their album.
@kmikl His widow represents the Zappa Family Trust. I have heard her say they do not want you to get their product from anyone but them. It's all over the webpage.
@hoghed That's not surprising, but in that same vein, she doesn't want you to get it from the record label either I'll bet. They get a much higher cut of the take when they sell directly to you because they don't have to deal with the label or distributors, or other middlemen.
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@markleyg Yeah it's ridiculous. Maybe if he'd used the biblical word for it (onanism) they'd have let it go, since the bible's the arbiter of morality, right?
@schavira Such a fallacy. They had been tied together from the beginning, Sabbath's anti-war lyrics, The Dictators arena rock punk, just a couple of examples.
@kazkernel That's not a fallacy, it's an opinion. Punk is not "anti-war," or at least it shouldn't be. Punk should have no ideology at all, that's what ruined it--well that and shitty subgenres. While I would agree that groups such as Sabbath and The Dictators are closer to both genres than most bands are today, you're referring to a time when it was all still one genre under the blanket term "hard rock." They did not become distinguishable until a couple years latter.
@schavira Opinion without facts are meaningless. How about Black Flag's love for Black Sabbath, The friendship between the Ramone's and Motorhead, GBH started because they loved Venom, Ian MacKay and Henry Rollins love of Nugent and Thin Lizzy, Punk's DIY effect and influence on the NWOBHM, Battalion of Saints covering Motorhead (and all the other punk bands that covered "Ace of Spades", Voivod's love of Die Kreuzen. I could go on for a while. All arguable good bands.
@kazkernel I'm referring moreso to the horrible output of all of the hardcore subgenres that attempt to fuse metal with "post-hardcore," which already, to me, is indistinguishable from emo and all shit of that nature. I don't mind minglings of the genres, but what you're describing is very different from what I am. All of those bands are rooted in the same, raw-energy those genres should be entirely about, not the ideology or adherence to technique that plague the fusions of both we see today.
@kazkernel That isn't much of an argument. Early punk wasn't influenced by metal. You could just as well link the roots of punk with hard rock or garage beat, but that doesn't make it any more true. For example the Ramones and the Sex Pistols didn't sound like metal in any way. I'm not interested in views that there were punk bands in the early 70's as this is highly debatable. A lot of people wrongly like to take out that card once a conversation about punk starts rolling.
@JLJorgenson18 to answer your question : "When is the last time you have ever heard a musician in an interview be this intelligent? "
Answer : Yesterday... His name is Bugsy Cline he is the Rock and Roll Rabble Rouser. he can be found on youtube blasting incredible messages about the music bizz and teaching the history of rock. check him out.
I disagree that it's a steady decline. If I had to be stuck on an island with music from only one particular decade, I'd take the 90's over the 80's any day. Though the 60's or 70's over would be obvious first choices.
@Ebaux69 I totally agree. If you like your music constantly spliced with farce, Zappa's your man. Personally, I always just saw him as a more musically capable version of Weird Al.
@fadguru Umm...I'm not sure you understand how the phrase "got nothing on" is used. I believe you meant to say that today's artists have nothing on Hendrix and Zappa.
@NJNetFan Or perhaps they're using their computers with which to make music. Modern technology might make things happen more quickly, but it will remove the soul of whatever it's used for.
While I applaud what he said about the music industry, I take issue with his misrepresentation of what the PMRC was about. The PMRC was NOT -- I repeat and emphasize NOT -- trying to "censor" or ban music of any kind. All the PMRC did was successfully force record companies to put warning stickers on albums with lyrics inappropriate for KIDS. If I had young kids, I wouldn't want them listening to filthy lyrics either. The PMRC never stopped any artist from recording & releasing ANYTHING.
You have been misinformed. The PMRC was hoping they could force music stores,which were still plentiful at the time,to refrain from stocking any products that had been deemed inappropriate by the PMRC. Vendors felt pressure from religious nutjobs to remove products from their store. From a business perspective,it is better to refrain from stocking certain products than to have church wackos congregating outside your place of business in a bizarre crusade against "naughty" words.
I was dialed in to that situation & don't remember anything like you describe. Can you provide a link or other evidence?
That aside, it wasn't a crusade against naughty words -- it was against KIDS' EXPOSURE to them. The PMRC never stopped you from hearing them.
I respectfully also take issue with you implying some sort of puritanical ethos. Objecting to KIDS listening to WASP's "F*ck Like a Beast" or Sheena Easton's "Sugar Walls" or Prince's "Darling Nikki" was justified.
“As the nation's largest retailer of American pop music, Wal-Mart wields significant influence over the recording industry, artistic creation and consumer choices. Wal-Mart's refusal to sell certain albums carrying parental advisory labels or containing lyrics or album covers deemed offensive has altered the way the recording industry and musicians conduct business."
(Continued) "This policy most conspicuously affects residents in communities where Wal-Mart is the only place to buy CDs, and will only find those albums that Wal-Mart considers appropriate for retail.”
This is EXACTLY what the PMRC wanted...the forced elimination of art that they deem to be morally inferior because of "naughty sexual content." Walmart doesn't have an issue with violence...they'll sell Guns and Ammo magazines and Rambo DVDs to 10-year-old kids.
I just now saw your continued post from yesterday (you had mistakenly replied to yourself).
It seems your objections should be directed at Wal-Mart rather than the PMRC. As I've said, I don't remember the PMRC pressuring ANY vendors back then. Moreover, Wal-Mart was big enough to stand up to ANYBODY.
You stated, "forced elimination of art they deem morally inferior ...." was the PMRC's goal. No, it was not. THAT is precisely the false, assumptive allegation I object to.
No offense, but that PBS reference doesn't support your allegation that the PMRC itself pressured stores to refrain from stocking albums with Parental Advisory Stickers. All it says is that Wal-Mart chose to stop selling said albums, & my guess is they did it on their own volition rather than as a result of any direct pressure from the PMRC. I don't recall any "church wackos" or PMRCers picketing outside any Wal-Marts.
Moreover, I question the impact of the second sentence.
You are not connecting the dots somehow. You don't think the PMRC and thier support groups (I.e.- puritanical religious nutsos) pressured vendors? Religious nutsos have no problem showing thir kids PG movies like “Raiders of the Lost Ark” that show gruesome deaths, gun murders, death by airplane propellers and massive groups of people being brutally melted to death. God forbid they see a woman's breast or a man's penis or hear Prince croon about masturbation. Lunacy.
Again no offense, but you're doing exactly what I respectfully object to -- "connecting dots," in this case, in an inaccurate way and making false assumptions based on pre-existing suspicions.
Do I think the PMRC or their unnamed "supporters" (of the "religious nutsos" ilk) pressured vendors? As I said, I remember no such thing and await supporting evidence. What I do remember is artists like Zappa & Snyder falsely alleging a malevolent, surreptitious goal of censorship.
Re your "Raiders ...." analogy, you're comparing apples to oranges. There's a big difference between PG-rated material and X-rated material. Plus, kids realize "Raiders ...." is fiction just as they realize at age 5 that Daffy Duck being blasted with a shotgun by Elmer Fudd is fiction.
More importantly, they realize that the movie is not ENDORSING the disturbing behavior (violence, deaths). By contrast, the lyrics of WASP, SE, Prince, etc., WERE endorsing the behavior.
I didn't make a "mistake" I added to the initial post. Let me clarify. I never mentioned pornography (I.e.- X-Rated material) just nudity which is visual and singing that mentions masturbation. Simple nudity is grounds for an R-Rating in America while horrible images of violence are not. It IS apples to oranges. Exposing children to violent VISUAL imagery is far more damaging than exposing them to sound recordings that contain curse words and the mention of masturbation and sex.
A parent would have to be mentally deranged to think their child is better off seeing a horribly violent PG movie such as "Raiders of the Lost Ark" than seeing a pair of breasts or a penis in a NONSEXUAL situation. Regardless- how the hell does it "damage" a child to see two adults having sex? It doesn't. America has a gigantic problem with sexuality and a fascination with violence. This has led to massive social problems...guns + violence are OK and nudity,sex and the word fuck are "bad."
While I agree, to some extent, that certain segments of society are still a bit repressive vis-a-vis sex, and too comfortable with violence, I disagree re the ramifications. It depends on the context and how they're presented. There's a difference between making love and "F*cking like a beast," as WASP glamorized. The latter is not appropriate for kids -- period. Kids do not have the maturity or judgment skills yet to process such subjects properly & decide right vs. wrong.
What I meant by "mistake" was that you replied to your own post, not mine. That's why I hadn't seen it. Look at your post again. No big deal, of course.
The original topic was the PMRC and what they actually did, vs. dishonest misrepresentations of what they did. If you wanna change the subject & discuss morals in general, and whether violent images are more "damaging" than explicit sexual content, that's fine but it's a tangential subject.
I respectfully disagree with your statement that X-rated = pornography. That's not accurate. There are plenty of X-rated lyrics in rock music, and music, by definition, can't be pornography. The dialog in the TV show "Family Guy" is X-rated but not pornography. Sheena Easton singing, "Come spend the night inside my sugar walls" is absolutely X-rated. Damaging to me or you? No, but if I had a 12-year-old child, I sure as hell wouldn't want him/her being exposed to that.
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MUSICALTRONS 2 days ago
Don't get any of this *beep* on ya!
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Now, potential musicians know that they won't get paid (noone wants to pay for an album) unless they conform to a formula... and this applies to touring too, in a way now. Formulae work. so they think, screw it, I'll be a finance guy or work in IT... unless they are willing to make formulaic garbage like "Gurl I wanna squeeze ya, ooh etc" with similarly terrible formulaic music made by a computer on a digital deck. Unless ISPs have legal power to off the net of a thief, this'll stay.
knighterrantfilms 2 weeks ago
Hey man do you know what this is originally from so I can reference it for a uni essay. If not its fine to reference the youtube video though!
RudiVanDerzario 2 weeks ago
Even thought you can't generalize about people I know what he's saying about the old school guys as opposed to the new, younger, "smarter", "hipper", school producers. Old school would give you a chance to fail. New School think that somehow they know what will sell and what people will like. Truth is no one knows that and never did.
ldad12 2 weeks ago 3
i agree with him
bigben1986 3 weeks ago
Hahahahaha.
What's up with the stupid censoring? White stuff? masturbation?
Did uncle Frank do this himself as a joke to show the stupidity of censoring, or did some moron in some office actually do this for a serious purpose?
superkulmedkniv25 1 month ago
Frank speaks a lot of truth about this. I'm a huge Garage Rock fan and the reason all this Garage Rock was put out on record was the older execs had no idea what is was about or anything but they knew it was hot and said "Here's the studio boys, have at it!" And what that also does is it keeps the artists music the way they wanted to hear it, no tinkering by "Younger" studio execs who think they know better but actually don't.
Sandbagger300 1 month ago
He was frustrated with the "hip" guys controlling what music people listen to. I think if he was here today, though, he would reverse it. Today music is made to sell. Get a personality, make some simple catchy music, play the fuck out of it on mainstream radio so people recognize it—and you have a hit.
abledanger6 1 month ago
do you have the version with subtitle?
polikiliop 1 month ago
I can't believe they had to censor the word masturbate
arouska 1 month ago
I think he is right. What he is saying is that the cigar munching guys released 'whatever'.. without an opinion... nowadays... the young guys choose what should or should not be released..hence perpetuating used up ideas and trends cos they know they sell. It's simple economics really. Bands do the same (they are called sellouts). I think John Peel was similar to the cigars-but he did have a clue but played everything anyway! Not swayed by what's in vogue. All you trendies..think on.
hejafish 1 month ago
Wow, i'd never even heard of Frank Zappa till today when i watched his opinions on schools, i'm only 19 but i've never found a person whose political and philosophical opinions resonate with me so much
Iodoify 1 month ago
@Iodoify Frank always remained a proponent of free thinking & originality. That is why he resonates with you so much. Also, he was very direct. He liked to cut the crap & get straight to the point. More young people should be like you & listen to what he said.
NakedPlanet1 1 month ago
he is a prophet
metrodome934 1 month ago
todays musicianship is at its best good talent out there. memorable music? well that another issue. not too much music out there that grabs you at least to remember or sing along. thats just me though.
Cleatusbodean 2 months ago
That wasn't his attitude in the 60s! In an article in Life magazine, he said:
"I remember Mike Maitland who was then vice president and sales manager of Capitol Records. He was decrying the fact that they couldn't get any hit singles, and I said to him, 'Well, Mike, tho reason is because you have the wrong people working for you.' 'Well, what do you want me to do? Get some of these fellows with the tight pants to produce these records?' I said, 'Exactly.
tenorlord 2 months ago
they censored masturbation?
JDArmstrong42 2 months ago
animal collective
her0indragon 2 months ago
With the Internet we don't need cigar chompers.
rcguy69 2 months ago 3
I can dig what he is saying. These guys like Jon Landau get in the studio and they sometimes ruin the music, a damn critic from the Rolling Stone.
johnnystaccata 3 months ago
what year was this?
wakawaka02 3 months ago
just aging, that's nooormal, everything was better b4
W Zappa ! TX 4 sharing your genius.
JUGAopet1 3 months ago
11 people ate the yellow snow.
Wintermancer 3 months ago
remember kids, don't get any of the white stuff on ya!
noisyneil 3 months ago
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Thank God we have Steven Wilson.
gnrcr 3 months ago
I think his point is this: Nowadays, the big guys are concerned more about what pleases the masses and what makes a quick buck. This means more bland and repetitive music, whereas they used to take chances with more "obscure" music and leave the outcome to chance rather than statistics.
DahPurpleHippo 3 months ago
I got backstage to a Zappa concert one, he was a beautiful man.
ScienceFindsGod 3 months ago
I hate how people love to point their fingers at hip hop, sure the majority of hip hop you hear on the radio is trash, but its the same with every genre of music at this point. Record executives simply dont take risks any more, in today's market where people dont buy records it is safer for them to invest in an artist with a tried and true sound.
trdegreenia 3 months ago
@trdegreenia so sad... Luckily anyone can put out their own music now with out a major label. A lot of it might be shit, but some good stuff is coming out of it.
Thebattlewalrus 3 months ago
Well here's my theory, people and in particular children and teenagers and even most adults have lost all sense of taste and class, they're too lazy to search for good music so they go with the shit on the radio. Radio DJ's no longer play songs that speak to people and instead they play useless pop trash.
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razorath92 3 months ago
@razorath92
You are spot on there. There are a few people working with me at the moment who are in their late 20's and early 30's. If I mention Led Zeppelin to them they have no idea what I'm talking about. Maybe I'm just getting old :-(
srvgtr 3 months ago
@srvgtr Nah. Like I said, it's not that anyone's "getting old", it's that people are too lazy to find good music. I'm 14 and love Zeppelin.
razorath92 2 months ago
@razorath92 Yeah, music went down hill in the year 1997 for me. The last good year of music for me was 1996. That year and any year before that was when music was good.
Beatlesfangoogle 2 months ago
I"m a big Zappa fan, I don't agree with Frank on this one, I was music Director, for local radio station, and I"m a musician, I play hours of Zappa music on my shows it was all Zappa & Zappa and the Mothers. I don't know WY he said this, likes the promoters that chomp cigars, and don't know music? I believe Zappa hates music promoters.
fordachevy 3 months ago
@fordachevy haven't watched the video in a while, but I'm pretty sure he says label executives, not promoters
schavira 3 months ago 9
@fordachevy
There are exceptions to every rule, but I think he's talking about the major labels.
eveningtsar 2 months ago
@fordachevy he hates them, but he realizes that the current attitude of the music industry is worse the the old one
Piclemania 1 month ago
@fordachevy I understand what he is saying,You play Zappa all the time,but it is not cutting edge.Its what YOU think is cutting edge.He is saying its better to have somebody that doesnt have any idea about music at all and they take a chance on EVERYTHING,not just what one person thinks is cutting edge. He is saying that if you get one guy that thinks he knows everything about what is cutting edge then you will never have cutting edge.
mokeimusic 1 month ago
@fordachevy you haven't been listening. he hasn't said a thing about promoters. he is talking about the people who put up the money for musicians to even have a voice in the first place. you don't get a say till you know what you're talking about.
SendInTheChickens 1 month ago
@fordachevy You were a music director for a LOCAL radio station. He`s talking about the ones running the big record labels. the ones who decide wich videos are gonna be aired on MTV. But you also got to remember that this was in the eighties. Now we have alternative record labels. and internet + home rcording.. things are getting better:) But making it BIG today- beeing aired on MTV etc. is close to impossible if you do something very experimental and out of the ordinary.
Erikiperik 2 weeks ago
He was so spot on with the music business.
7609room 3 months ago
This is fucking awesome.
MaxwellDrodofsky 3 months ago
Ma*********n!
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AbsoluteZeroMusic 4 months ago
Interestingly, Zappa's comments about the recording business have parallels to the movie industry during the same period. Frank was a sharp one! We're very lucky to have had him!
docmalthus 4 months ago 3
experimental music is only happening abroad now there taking american derived music of all kinds and putting there ethnic flare and style. Besides europe always appreciated the true musician. Where are the parkers the hendrixes the miles davis the buddy riches the van halens. James browns and when was the last time we here had an Elvis or a Morrison. Were sliding it doesent take much to be hip hop it doesent take much to be a half assed alternative band neither like 85 percent are today.
Taikomaniac 4 months ago 2
Frank was epic
Joeyland 4 months ago
That's pathetic they had to censor the dreaded "M" word. Twice.
AIKevorkian 4 months ago 3
All the best Die Young..
Shonkyboi 4 months ago
"Ah, I dunno..."
SeamusLight93 5 months ago
Why the hell is an interview that was done in the 80' in black and white? You are aware there was color even way before the 80's right?
Xcorgi 5 months ago
@Xcorgi What difference does it make if it's in black-and-white or in color or if you can see it at all?
I hope you heard what the man had to say, because that's what is more important than how he looks.
hoghed 4 months ago
Zappa is right. The American music sscene has seemed to arrive at and the die with Rap/Hip-Hop..Whne will it fade out like New wave did,like Hair band music did, like Hard rock did..I saw Lil Wayne doing a rap with samples of Iron man, By Black Sabbath..Creative bankruptcy in both the music and film business.I mean after Batman, who wants to see more movies about comic book heros?
3DDoGG 5 months ago
@3DDoGG hip hop used to be good.
magua4 4 months ago
@3DDoGG Yeah, yeah, Hip-Hop sucks, it's a futile genre, they only rap about money and ''bitches'', whe get it. And Lil Wayne is shit. I bet you haven't heard much Hip-Hop besides Lil Wayne, Drake and yadda yadda yadda.
jerudoriginal91 4 months ago
awesome! but what is the safest form of sex???
fallingup90 5 months ago
have to agree with this!
wonnthree 5 months ago
very smart man .
Funkrocksurfer1971 5 months ago
Hopefully record companies will one day be no more. The internet will make the way for listeners to have a choice in what they listen to. I agree with Zappa. Who wants some slimy A&R to determine what kind of music the world will listen to. Those days will soon end. Today, independent musicians can make great sounding recordings, for an insanely low cost. Internet radio is becoming more popular. Now it's on the musicians; experiment, stretch out.. too many imitator hoping for a record deal!
Joeymazz28 5 months ago
safest form is maff
Koolkitties 5 months ago
INCEST
thebeardedjohn 5 months ago
@thebeardedjohn Thanks for your insightful contribution.
schavira 5 months ago 31
@schavira The sad part is I really tried to be useful. I love Zappa.
thebeardedjohn 5 months ago
I miss Frank. Whether he spoke intelligently and sincere about issues of concern or just banter about mixing weasel dust w/ a telefunken u-47 in the utility muffin research kitchen, he spoke so wise. I really miss Frank.
Mortimermanto 6 months ago 2
Brilliant!
Ikonoclasto 6 months ago
I find this difficult to ********** to.
mahershalal 6 months ago 5
@mahershalal I found it quite easy, seeing that there is a flash of a vagina around 2:20
Tap1000441 6 months ago 2
@schavira I'm sure I've watched this clip before and it wasn't censored. . . were you told to bleep it or what?
Greenless001 6 months ago
@Greenless001 Yes, I was told to bleep the video because those words are actually highly classified government secrets. Seriously, are you that paranoid? Of course I wasn't "told" to censor it, it was just hosted on another site and I converted/uploaded the video as is to YouTube, nothing more. Maybe there's an uncensored version somewhere else but the one I uploaded has always been censored, and always will be. 3/4ths of the comments on here are about that, if you want to go through and check.
schavira 6 months ago 11
@schavira lol "don't getting any of the wet stuff on ya" is a highly classified government secret!
Greenless001 6 months ago
@schavira So is it did you get to I mean?
RoboticusMusic 4 months ago
Where are today's pink floyds? lol
teameymelli1 6 months ago
@teameymelli1 they're hidden away.
stfwho 6 months ago
(cont.) So forgive me for saying this, but what Zappa is saying here was said maybe 30 years ago, and it doesn't apply anymore. Ironically, now we'd be much better off now with hipster doofuses as A&R guys. They'll listen to, appreciate, and hype just about anything experimental or unusual, the bad and the good, and the world at large will embrace it because, though it's cliched and insufferable to say so, people are sheep. But at least now they'd be sheep listening to something interesting.
usernameregrets 6 months ago
@usernameregrets You are the sheep that actually buys the music industry line that "piracy is killing the music business".
dp6876 6 months ago
@dp6876 I love piracy. It's democratic. The deluge of shitty music and demise of record stores are the growing pains of a revolution. And even if something did kill the music business, it wouldn't kill music itself.
Zappa here is talking about labels, specifically major labels, and my comment's about labels. Labels are making less money, moving less product, because the way people get their music is changing in a way that's deemphasized them. That's all I said.
usernameregrets 6 months ago
The major labels and many of the indies now are back to being run by today's equivalent of the "cigar-chompers" but they're not saying "who knows" anymore. The biz used to be so profitable you could take chances and lose tons of money releasing weird shit but your "hits" would more than make up for it- 90% of your revenue was coming from 10% of your catalogue. That's gone for good. Now it's the other way around; every move needs to be calculated just so a label can stay afloat thanks to piracy.
usernameregrets 6 months ago
MASTURBATION!! M-A-S-T-U-R-B-A-T-I-O-N not "beep" damn absurd censorship
IDDDENT 6 months ago
The 10 dislikes are hipster douchebag record execs.
jackmioff100 6 months ago
Something must be up...he had something like five or six record labels...they came and went...and left a legacy.
mellotrongirl 6 months ago
F*ck censorship!
RadBrad13 6 months ago
....They bleeped masturbation? Frank Zappa rolls in his grave and Tipper Gore laughs. Fuck the music industry today.
fiendfilms 6 months ago 2
Why are there bleeps, you fucking Christian socialists!!!
swcom 6 months ago
They actually had to bleep the word "masturbation"?! Why didn't they bleep "sex" and "rubber goods" as well?
pamicocci60 6 months ago
Wow, I can't believe this F_CK_IN_ video is being bleeped! Life imitating art I guess. My personal opinion is FU_K THE CENSORS! FU_K THEM IN THEIR JUICY A__HOLES!
blabblab1212 7 months ago
Anyone knows what he says at the end? from (4:11)
adlozi 7 months ago
Anyone know what year this is?
francissweston 7 months ago
if you're arguing about punk an metal, you're missing the point of what Zappa is saying.
funkymunky2776 7 months ago
We need this man more than ever. We miss you, Frank.
mdk7691 7 months ago 4
This is an interesting take, though I do not think it's totally accurate. There was a documentary on the 60's I think on pbs that described exactly how the doors, greatful dead and janis joplin got signed. It wasn't because cigar smoking capitalists just took a risk, they wouldn't, but because there were 50,000 people in the streets listening to these bands at an outdoor festival. The record company exec, seeing this, said "sign anybody playing here". So maybe it's the audience's fault.
enigmism4life 7 months ago
@enigmism4life
Most of the big acts were signed before any music festival appearances, my friend. I think you are referring to Monterey Pop, or some other festival, and every act at that festival was already signed to a label before they played. With very few exceptions, large labels controlled airplay. If you are referring to San Francisco and the Fillmore, possibly, but the San Francisco phenomenon was more about kids dropping out. The music was good, but was a by-product of that culture.
GaryXGomes 7 months ago
@GaryXGomes And the guys who did the signing were the cigar chomping guys that Zappa mentions. Heck, Clive Davis from Columbia records was one of those cigar smoking guys!
GaryXGomes 7 months ago
@GaryXGomes I'm not positive but I think it was the doc pbs did on haight/ashbury, it def wasn't a big name historical fest. You may be right that some did not get officially signed that day but this was from a direct interview with a record label owner explaining the appeal of these bands, it was done because the gatherings in the street of listeners was foregone market research, which promised capital return. But this may be better than hipsters that decide what's good for the public.
enigmism4life 6 months ago
these arguments of punk and metal are stupid. how about the crappy bastard mix of new metal and hip hop ? linkin park ? WANK WANK WANK. f#ck i can't stand that band.
80sOGRE 7 months ago
Frank Zappa, you just blew my mind.
kovona 7 months ago
Frank Zappa made a song called Tinseltown Rebellion and the Lyrics of the song are almost identical with what he says in this interview
Sigh no one understood the music business better then Frank
because from 1981 on he was musician, manager and producer at the same time
Zappafan1980 7 months ago
I miss frank:(
tacitus2244 7 months ago
why is "masturbation" bleeped out?
redvelvetunderground 7 months ago
Frank Zappa was my yearbook quote in the hopes one person may read it and be turned onto him
Kingding6 7 months ago
Well said.
thenextguy609 7 months ago
frank it got worse !!!! You are a genius and have been my musical idol for years
renduke 7 months ago
Nine, young know it all executives disliked this video. And, one or more of them work for American Idol.
lolibla 7 months ago
excellent and quite relevant especially regarding Jazz!
jazz1bro 8 months ago
excellent !
jazz1bro 8 months ago
*masturbating*
CaptainBluebear08 8 months ago
@CaptainBluebear08 *the wet stuff*
kmikl 8 months ago
The comments here have nothing to do with the pearls of wisdom from Zappa. One day he will be recognised as truly ahead of his time, but by then it will be too late.
novadrian 8 months ago
the velvet underground !
daverolo87 8 months ago
he should have just whackin' it or rubbing one out. geez Frank, it's a shame you're gone. I feel like we need a spokesperson for the bullshit the music industry is now again.
birddogbull 8 months ago
whoooowowoeoeoe are the braiaaian poliiice..dew dew dew dewww!
dannyofthededd 8 months ago
I know Frank was a compression freak when it came to his recordings, but everyone has to admit he would have been thrilled with the P2P sharing!
VictoryCough 8 months ago
@VictoryCough as long as it isn't his music you are downloading
hoghed 8 months ago
@hoghed Nah... he knew how the music business worked and how badly artists get screwed by record companies. He made the bulk of his money touring, just like every other act that was worth more than a minute of listening time. The only people that get hurt by P2P sharing are the people that are in it for the money only (Gene Simmons) and the untalented people you forget about a week after listening their album.
kmikl 8 months ago
@kmikl His widow represents the Zappa Family Trust. I have heard her say they do not want you to get their product from anyone but them. It's all over the webpage.
hoghed 8 months ago
@hoghed That's not surprising, but in that same vein, she doesn't want you to get it from the record label either I'll bet. They get a much higher cut of the take when they sell directly to you because they don't have to deal with the label or distributors, or other middlemen.
kmikl 7 months ago
When was this interview taped?
Beadbud5000 8 months ago
No musician ever spoke with such intelligence, humour and understanding - and his music was the best.
charcolew 9 months ago 2
No musician ever spoke with such intelligence, humour and understanding - and his music was the best.
charcolew 9 months ago 52
@charcolew The only exception that would come to my mind is Warren Zevon.
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Dfrankjazz 9 months ago
"Masturbarion" has to be bleeped?
markleyg 9 months ago
@markleyg Yeah it's ridiculous. Maybe if he'd used the biblical word for it (onanism) they'd have let it go, since the bible's the arbiter of morality, right?
gunifigoo 8 months ago
Danzig, punk and metal forever
bleaupearls 9 months ago
@bleaupearls Punk and metal are two things that should have never mixed.
schavira 9 months ago 3
@schavira umm i disagree very much so. Otherwise the genres wouldn't have done what they did. Yea dig?!?
Probably not. Metal got faster, and heavier with the punk influence. lml
3rdluckcharm 9 months ago
@schavira : yes.
BobTheRecordGuy 8 months ago
@schavira Such a fallacy. They had been tied together from the beginning, Sabbath's anti-war lyrics, The Dictators arena rock punk, just a couple of examples.
kazkernel 8 months ago
@kazkernel That's not a fallacy, it's an opinion. Punk is not "anti-war," or at least it shouldn't be. Punk should have no ideology at all, that's what ruined it--well that and shitty subgenres. While I would agree that groups such as Sabbath and The Dictators are closer to both genres than most bands are today, you're referring to a time when it was all still one genre under the blanket term "hard rock." They did not become distinguishable until a couple years latter.
schavira 8 months ago
@schavira Opinion without facts are meaningless. How about Black Flag's love for Black Sabbath, The friendship between the Ramone's and Motorhead, GBH started because they loved Venom, Ian MacKay and Henry Rollins love of Nugent and Thin Lizzy, Punk's DIY effect and influence on the NWOBHM, Battalion of Saints covering Motorhead (and all the other punk bands that covered "Ace of Spades", Voivod's love of Die Kreuzen. I could go on for a while. All arguable good bands.
kazkernel 8 months ago
@kazkernel I'm referring moreso to the horrible output of all of the hardcore subgenres that attempt to fuse metal with "post-hardcore," which already, to me, is indistinguishable from emo and all shit of that nature. I don't mind minglings of the genres, but what you're describing is very different from what I am. All of those bands are rooted in the same, raw-energy those genres should be entirely about, not the ideology or adherence to technique that plague the fusions of both we see today.
schavira 8 months ago 4
@schavira Wasn't thrash metal formed from mixing hardcore punk and New Wave of British Heavy Metal?
MrUsedBooks 7 months ago
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scatmanninja 7 months ago
@kazkernel That isn't much of an argument. Early punk wasn't influenced by metal. You could just as well link the roots of punk with hard rock or garage beat, but that doesn't make it any more true. For example the Ramones and the Sex Pistols didn't sound like metal in any way. I'm not interested in views that there were punk bands in the early 70's as this is highly debatable. A lot of people wrongly like to take out that card once a conversation about punk starts rolling.
KoivuTheHab 7 months ago
great clip of an intelligent man
thank you for posting this!
ModernPlague 9 months ago 3
what the hell is goin on at 2:13 ?
zodwik 9 months ago
"Don't get any wet stuff on ya"
cholericfc 9 months ago
eh...?? what's with the 'beeping'??? ridiculous...
debris54 9 months ago
@debris54 I know. beeping masturbation? the producers of this show must have been the very same conservative hypocrite douches Frank was referencing.
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YungWalls 9 months ago
We need to plug everything Zappa ever recorded into WATSON, and let it run for president. Zappa/WATSON 2012 has my vote!
artestudent 9 months ago
When is the last time you have ever heard a musician in an interview be this intelligent?
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TheBluescollector 9 months ago
@JLJorgenson18 Now that you mention it, pretty much no time in the last ... maybe 15 years ??
uhmerikuhn 6 months ago
@JLJorgenson18 Marilyn Manson. What's up bro?
IHaveAPodXTLive 6 months ago
@JLJorgenson18
It's because Frank hated drugs.
MrBluesrules 5 months ago
@JLJorgenson18 LOL musicians can never find the words for music.
RoboticusMusic 4 months ago
I disagree that it's a steady decline. If I had to be stuck on an island with music from only one particular decade, I'd take the 90's over the 80's any day. Though the 60's or 70's over would be obvious first choices.
2PinkFreuds 10 months ago
@Ebaux69 I totally agree. If you like your music constantly spliced with farce, Zappa's your man. Personally, I always just saw him as a more musically capable version of Weird Al.
2PinkFreuds 10 months ago
@fadguru Umm...I'm not sure you understand how the phrase "got nothing on" is used. I believe you meant to say that today's artists have nothing on Hendrix and Zappa.
2PinkFreuds 10 months ago
@NJNetFan Or perhaps they're using their computers with which to make music. Modern technology might make things happen more quickly, but it will remove the soul of whatever it's used for.
2PinkFreuds 10 months ago
The fucking guy sounds like Al Pacino.
nirvanafrik 10 months ago
Zman know the labels and waves were yellow snow...
mrledhead68 10 months ago
While I applaud what he said about the music industry, I take issue with his misrepresentation of what the PMRC was about. The PMRC was NOT -- I repeat and emphasize NOT -- trying to "censor" or ban music of any kind. All the PMRC did was successfully force record companies to put warning stickers on albums with lyrics inappropriate for KIDS. If I had young kids, I wouldn't want them listening to filthy lyrics either. The PMRC never stopped any artist from recording & releasing ANYTHING.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@Ken5244
You have been misinformed. The PMRC was hoping they could force music stores,which were still plentiful at the time,to refrain from stocking any products that had been deemed inappropriate by the PMRC. Vendors felt pressure from religious nutjobs to remove products from their store. From a business perspective,it is better to refrain from stocking certain products than to have church wackos congregating outside your place of business in a bizarre crusade against "naughty" words.
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
I was dialed in to that situation & don't remember anything like you describe. Can you provide a link or other evidence?
That aside, it wasn't a crusade against naughty words -- it was against KIDS' EXPOSURE to them. The PMRC never stopped you from hearing them.
I respectfully also take issue with you implying some sort of puritanical ethos. Objecting to KIDS listening to WASP's "F*ck Like a Beast" or Sheena Easton's "Sugar Walls" or Prince's "Darling Nikki" was justified.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@Ken5244
From PBS in 2004:
“As the nation's largest retailer of American pop music, Wal-Mart wields significant influence over the recording industry, artistic creation and consumer choices. Wal-Mart's refusal to sell certain albums carrying parental advisory labels or containing lyrics or album covers deemed offensive has altered the way the recording industry and musicians conduct business."
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
(Continued) "This policy most conspicuously affects residents in communities where Wal-Mart is the only place to buy CDs, and will only find those albums that Wal-Mart considers appropriate for retail.”
This is EXACTLY what the PMRC wanted...the forced elimination of art that they deem to be morally inferior because of "naughty sexual content." Walmart doesn't have an issue with violence...they'll sell Guns and Ammo magazines and Rambo DVDs to 10-year-old kids.
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
I just now saw your continued post from yesterday (you had mistakenly replied to yourself).
It seems your objections should be directed at Wal-Mart rather than the PMRC. As I've said, I don't remember the PMRC pressuring ANY vendors back then. Moreover, Wal-Mart was big enough to stand up to ANYBODY.
You stated, "forced elimination of art they deem morally inferior ...." was the PMRC's goal. No, it was not. THAT is precisely the false, assumptive allegation I object to.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
No offense, but that PBS reference doesn't support your allegation that the PMRC itself pressured stores to refrain from stocking albums with Parental Advisory Stickers. All it says is that Wal-Mart chose to stop selling said albums, & my guess is they did it on their own volition rather than as a result of any direct pressure from the PMRC. I don't recall any "church wackos" or PMRCers picketing outside any Wal-Marts.
Moreover, I question the impact of the second sentence.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@Ken5244
You are not connecting the dots somehow. You don't think the PMRC and thier support groups (I.e.- puritanical religious nutsos) pressured vendors? Religious nutsos have no problem showing thir kids PG movies like “Raiders of the Lost Ark” that show gruesome deaths, gun murders, death by airplane propellers and massive groups of people being brutally melted to death. God forbid they see a woman's breast or a man's penis or hear Prince croon about masturbation. Lunacy.
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
Again no offense, but you're doing exactly what I respectfully object to -- "connecting dots," in this case, in an inaccurate way and making false assumptions based on pre-existing suspicions.
Do I think the PMRC or their unnamed "supporters" (of the "religious nutsos" ilk) pressured vendors? As I said, I remember no such thing and await supporting evidence. What I do remember is artists like Zappa & Snyder falsely alleging a malevolent, surreptitious goal of censorship.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
Re your "Raiders ...." analogy, you're comparing apples to oranges. There's a big difference between PG-rated material and X-rated material. Plus, kids realize "Raiders ...." is fiction just as they realize at age 5 that Daffy Duck being blasted with a shotgun by Elmer Fudd is fiction.
More importantly, they realize that the movie is not ENDORSING the disturbing behavior (violence, deaths). By contrast, the lyrics of WASP, SE, Prince, etc., WERE endorsing the behavior.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@Ken5244
I didn't make a "mistake" I added to the initial post. Let me clarify. I never mentioned pornography (I.e.- X-Rated material) just nudity which is visual and singing that mentions masturbation. Simple nudity is grounds for an R-Rating in America while horrible images of violence are not. It IS apples to oranges. Exposing children to violent VISUAL imagery is far more damaging than exposing them to sound recordings that contain curse words and the mention of masturbation and sex.
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
A parent would have to be mentally deranged to think their child is better off seeing a horribly violent PG movie such as "Raiders of the Lost Ark" than seeing a pair of breasts or a penis in a NONSEXUAL situation. Regardless- how the hell does it "damage" a child to see two adults having sex? It doesn't. America has a gigantic problem with sexuality and a fascination with violence. This has led to massive social problems...guns + violence are OK and nudity,sex and the word fuck are "bad."
TimeLordGuitar 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
While I agree, to some extent, that certain segments of society are still a bit repressive vis-a-vis sex, and too comfortable with violence, I disagree re the ramifications. It depends on the context and how they're presented. There's a difference between making love and "F*cking like a beast," as WASP glamorized. The latter is not appropriate for kids -- period. Kids do not have the maturity or judgment skills yet to process such subjects properly & decide right vs. wrong.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
What I meant by "mistake" was that you replied to your own post, not mine. That's why I hadn't seen it. Look at your post again. No big deal, of course.
The original topic was the PMRC and what they actually did, vs. dishonest misrepresentations of what they did. If you wanna change the subject & discuss morals in general, and whether violent images are more "damaging" than explicit sexual content, that's fine but it's a tangential subject.
Continued in next post
Ken5244 10 months ago
@TimeLordGuitar
I respectfully disagree with your statement that X-rated = pornography. That's not accurate. There are plenty of X-rated lyrics in rock music, and music, by definition, can't be pornography. The dialog in the TV show "Family Guy" is X-rated but not pornography. Sheena Easton singing, "Come spend the night inside my sugar walls" is absolutely X-rated. Damaging to me or you? No, but if I had a 12-year-old child, I sure as hell wouldn't want him/her being exposed to that.
Ken5244 10 months ago
@unlikeanyotherhuman now theres a conspiracy theory i could believe in
strabbs1 10 months ago
a very intelligent man for sure
strabbs1 10 months ago
@strabbs1 more like the once MOST intelligent man in the world !
zappalaney 10 months ago
who is the fool pressing the beeper? I take it you are not allowed to say masturbation on US tv.
sejanus4th 10 months ago
There won't be another FZ in my lifetime. Too bad, cuz the world needs someone like him.
records700 10 months ago
Respect to Frank Zappa R.I.P.
Jellybeantiger 10 months ago
I miss you, Frank. We all miss you.
SuperSolaris 10 months ago