Remove Rust from Metal and Panels the Easy Way: Video 1

[MrGotanyjunk]

Good Video. I've been doing this for a while although I need a bigger tank, and preferably would do it in the country as it starts to smell pretty bad after a while.....like cat shit in the sun. One thing I noticed was that the solution actually worked better after a month or so. Maybe it's stronger after it ferments....in any case the worse it smelled the faster it seemed to work. Another pro is that it's not dangerous so can be disposed of easily. And it's cheap, about $1 per Litre of molasses

[FrustratedBaboon]

Where are the crocodiles?

[deathcard221]

did you strip all the paint and stuff from the panels or put it in the molasses as is.

[SouthernCross33]

Great clip with excellent info. I had no idea about molasses as a rust remover. Cheap and non toxic, which is brilliant in these days of pollution worries. All this and from a fellow Aussie, but that doesn't surprise me, we are the greatest ppl on earth in the greatest country OI OI OI!!!

[adamcturnbull]

well, I'll be!! Molasses ? What a great method. 

[yeagermcbipper]

your method work is specific circumstances. The biggest drawback is that you have to get to the rust, meaning you have to remove paint/oil/grease. Also its SLOW. How many DAYS did you let it sit???? Plus you have to contend with flash rust with all that water you are using. Sand blast panels... gets rid of *everything* and gives an EXCELLENT base for paint.

[SouthernCross33]

@yeagermcbipper I think you miss the point here on the time factor. He's not doing this as a business, it's his hobby his passion. Being a total restoration the time factor you speak of is irrelelvent. Do you own a sand blasting biz?

[madaboutbrens]

hi there. i am trying to soak tank track in molasses... i bought some "lincoln" pure cane molasses but nothing appears to be happening ? is there anything special about the molasses that you are using... are you able to name brands etc etc ? cheers

[Ed30286]

Brilliant.... I need a heads-up on what you call molasses. Where I live, there are several products referred to as molasses, but what I hope you mean is what we call "black strap" pure cane molasses that is farm grade (suitable for livestock consumption.) Please educate me.

[bastardchildofmary]

wow, removes rust and you have the cure for aids floating on top! better get a patent before big pharma finds out!

[localcrew]

Have you ever tried electrolysis for rust removal? That's where you take a battery charger and a block of zinc and put it in a non-conductive tub of salt water and one electrode goes to your part and another to the block of zinc and it makes the rust disappear. Another tip is that you can make a big-ass tub using rubber EPDM roofing and a plywood frame.

Great video. It's obvious that you love the craft. Those wire wheels were really great. Nice vid!

[Desertrodder]

@localcrew ....Thanks

[MrCOLTSR2]

Also doubles up as an acid bath to dispose of your unwanted neighbours!

[johnRc1963]

My dad has a farm and buys molasses as a treat for the cows I've never heard of it being used for rust removal Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[redwarewolf12]

What is the solution you use to remove the rust?

[RevHeadTV]

Thank you for what I can only describe as a brilliant tip. I can't believe something so simple is not common knowledge.

[stillbashingmetal]

Private property - bugger off. Like!

[nightpwner]

I believe its called a pickle bath here in the states no?

By the way how long do the panels have to be in the solution for?

[Desertrodder]

@nightpwner ....Generally two weeks, though I pull them out earlier just to check. It is worth checking earlier as they might not need the two weeks, though I have averaged it to be best results in the 14 day period.

Cheers Dave Ailey

[BLZ121]

how long do you leave the panels in the solution? oh and great video

[Desertrodder]

@BLZ121 ....... Generally two weeks, though I pull them out earlier just to check. I have had results within 2 days so it all depends on how bad the item is.

[lecorfec]

Google for "Redox equilibria in natural waters" I would bet that's the clue! and lok at "Electron free energy diagram for aqueous solutions" page 6.

Nice, efficient and non toxic in any way!

[lecorfec]

Clever! I really enjoy this video!

From an chemical point of view one explanation would be a reduction of iron oxide by bacteria, using it for "oxygen" in the oxydation of molasses... If that's it "the salsa" should improve with time ("old" bacterias are more efficient in this purpose) and maintain its efficiency as long as some sugar remains... and the start of a "new batch" would be dramatically improve by addition of some old "sludge"!

[Mikej1592]

I have never heard of this trick, it is kinda counter intuitive actually soaking metal in a water solution, but the molasses in it, wow, must be some chemical reactivity to it but in a naturally antioxidation sort of way.

[Ibringthetruth1]

@Mikej1592 acid like vinegar.

[PobOxfordV]

Gday, You've made a very good video here. I have used molassis on small bits some time back and works OK, though I never really new what ratio to use, so thanks for that info.

I was thinking what about using a kiddie pool as a vat, what do you think! A bigger problem is unitary bodies, eg I had a 50''s ute. it had lots of area's that a bead blaster would have trouble getting into; do you have any idea's ?

[franciscoMdelgado]

sorry the sound on my computer is not too good what is the solution made of??? and for how long should it stay in there??

[MacNerfer]

@franciscoMdelgado 1 part molasses, 9 parts water

[ArtemiaSalina]

@franciscoMdelgado 1 part molasses to 9 parts water. Soak the panels for 14 days, but check them to monitor the progress, because they may not need the whole 14 day soak.

[BCEslavec]

You are great carmekanik

[Farmer2492]

Love the video

[Desertrodder]

@Farmer2492 ...... Thanks for your comment glad to help.

[Farmer2492]

i will never use soda blasting again got it done 12 months down the track paint started to come off in the joins where the soda got trapped

[5BobbyDavis]

I enjoyed your video,it's very interesting. Thanks

[Desertrodder]

@5BobbyDavis ......Thank you glad you liked it

[SeberHusky]

Sodablasting....ever heard of that down there? It's like using a sandblaster, but with baking soda.

[Desertrodder]

@SeberHusky ....... Sure have heard of it, have been advised not to use it unless you want it to affect your paint years down the track, in the factory joins etc.

Sourced from a very reputable painter in the USA who swears he will never use it again.

[SeberHusky]

@Desertrodder

Funny, there's a guy here that has a show on TV, his name is Rick Dale, and his show is called "American Restorations". He uses sodablasting a lot on his restoration projects (he mainly does small appliances and objects...not very many cars) and he says it is safer and better than sandblasting or chemical removal.

[Desertrodder]

@SeberHusky ......Soda Blasting is easier than sandblasting but I won't say better as it will not remove rust. Reason it is easier you don't have to remove your glass or stainless trims as it won't affect these. But if I'm doing a resto I want all paint and rust to go even under the front and rear windscreens. Cheers

[JeremyDeal]

Great vid! Will any problems arise if left in the solution for too long (such as the full 6 months)? Was thinking about dunking a small trailer I have while I'm down south and going back to get it much later

[Desertrodder]

@JeremyDeal ......It will make the metal darker in colour and I have only experienced it for 9 weeks, forgot the parts were in the tank .lol

[ilovetable]

@JeremyDeal ...I left a cast iron BBQ burner in the solution (7:1) for 12 months to test the effect if any, when I took it out it was very brittle, I whacked it on the ground and snapped it - so an extended stay in the solution is probably not recommended.

[Desertrodder]

@ilovetable ..... Great test, 12 months is a long time but still better than any acids etc.

Thanks for the information and doing the test. As for cast iron as in exhaust headers these will come up clean even inside within the 2 week period with no brittle effect.

Cheers Dave

[Surefire3333]

"To keep any rats, cats, dogs, (kangaroos) or whatever from getting into the tub". Haha Great info thanks for the upload.

[Pineconevolved]

I've got an old galvanized veranda, the zinc has long gone.. after scuffing off the chunky bits, do you rekkon I could paint the molasses directly on it, cover it with gladwrap? I'd look pretty fuckin retarded if it didn't work,lol.

[Desertrodder]

@Pineconevolved ..... I haven't tried that yet, not wrap my verandah anyway , but its worth a try. Not sure if you are referring to the verandah posts or the roofing iron. Best if the sun doesn't dry it out though. If kept wet from the solution it should work. Might be best to soak a large towel or and old piece of carpet , blanket in the solution then cover with it. Obviously if laid horizontally the solution won't run off as if vertical.

Hope that can help and let us know .

[MRCORNEJOCASTELFORTE]

WHATS THE NAME OF THE LIQUID? MALASIA?

[spasborn]

@MRCORNEJOCASTELFORTE molasses

[magshelbb]

I want to do my doors and panels off of my 71' Bronco. Do I have to remove paint? Before...After...Not clear on the whole process...It sounds great, but do I remove or sand paint before this process...After????? Thanks!

[Desertrodder]

@magshelbb .... It is best to remove the paint if you are doing a full on resto. Reason being if the car or panels has had previous panel work done prior to your ownership you just don't know whats underneath the paint. There could be bondo covering rust and that is a worse case to have come through after you have painted it even worse a few years down the track.

But yes you can remove the visible rust without removing the paint. It all depends on

how you want to do it and time .

[Desertrodder]

@magshelbb .....If your project is to be as a Rat Rod then this process is perfect . Just don't leave the panels in the solution too long as it will remove the old paint once you start to pressure wash the rust off.

Cheers Dave

[progressix]

Merry Christmas, DesertRodder! Watched the video again (probably the fifth time), and really enjoyed it! I've always been interested in organic solutions to rust removal (no sandblasting for me), and your video shows how easy it is to take an organic route to restoring an old vehicle. Thanks again, and keep posting, ok?

[Desertrodder]

@progressix ......Thank you and thanks to everyone who has given such great comments.

I wish all viewers a Merry Xmas and a fantastic New Year for 2012 and as we all do I hope to have my project finished later in the year. With the Xmas break ( Oh we get 4 weeks of in Australia : ) sorry to all the Americans but its great, more time on the project, so cheers to all.

Regards: Dave Ailey, Melbourne Australia.

[trinitrinik]

im gonna try dat



[Money305Mike]

nice cars kinfolk! i like the technique also. thanks!

[WhiteGravey]

im gonna try this out a gallon of metal rescue cost around 25 dollars this looks much cheaper.

[ArcadeGames]

G-day mate, awesome stuff:)

[rainmakeroo]

so boring..

[Desertrodder]

@rainmakeroo ...... use a scraper and sandpaper by hand that will keep you busy



[legalAlien15]

@Desertrodder very smart reply lol

[thomasuras]

ea mate the mollasses works great what do you think about using molasses to flush out an old engin block ? just stopping up the exits and filling it with the mix let it set then flush ?

[Desertrodder]

@thomasuras .... Yes it will though I would rather find an old 44 gallon drum , cut the top off and try dipping the whole engine inside it and leave for up to 3 weeks. Cheers

[shadowmonster197]

amazing why do I find these after all the hard work was done on my project will put it in the bank for next one thank you

[klajassie101]

The guy is hot

[Numb1skater]

I wish i could just put my whole car in there.

[20031200]

Thanks for the rust removal tip. I was unaware that Molasses & water would remove rust.

[socalcraigster]

Ok .. dumb question - why not use an angle grinder with a wire attachment?

[Desertrodder]

@socalcraigster ..... You can, but you won't get the same result and its tooooo time consuming

[greenguy4u]

Will dry molasses work as well? If you add water of course...

[greenguy4u]

What molasses to water ratio do you use? How long do you soak large parts?

Thanks

[Fire4FX]

@greenguy4u 1 part M - 9 parts water = 10 litres.

[greenguy4u]

@Fire4FX I am have been using 4:1. Would this be a problem?

[Desertrodder]

@greenguy4u ..... No it won't be a problem, but I hope the 1 part is the solution and the 4 parts is the water. Just a stronger mix thats all. Not necessary though as the 1 - 9 works fine and this makes more product meaning you can have a bigger bath for bigger parts.

Cheers Dave : )

[greenguy4u]

@Desertrodder  So far after 1 week in the bath I am not seeing any change in the rust. It has been around 45 degrees during the days however. I would imagine that warmer temps speed up the process.

[JKolkow]

fix the sound pleas

[Fire4FX]

@JKolkow it's not in stereo HD...

[woodzo40]

sure is a better way then the sand blaster. Having to deal with sand in your car forever. Take care Mate!!

[garmiellis]

Do you know if this solution comes described in antique treatises of alchemists or metalsmiths?

[garmiellis]

Excelent solution! I bumped with this video while watching evapo rust videos, which i use already, but foind this eco-solution even more amazing! What a great invention/discovery! Very well done!

[klajassie101]

holy shit all i took from this video is how sexy dude is!!!

[thra5herxb12s]

Great video. I,ve always used black treacle but this is a lot cheaper. Thanks for posting...

[350oldschool]

Thank's dude-live in the south- U.S.A.-plenty of product here-no blasting .GREAT INFO.

[ricolet1]

Could you do a video with your hands in your pocket?

[TheFordguy1994]

Hey, great video and beautiful project cars you do amazing body work. Is there a specific time of year you suggest doing this?

[Desertrodder]

@TheFordguy1994 ...... My preference is to do this in the summer months, just so the treated parts after

washing the solution off will dry quickly. I have done this with out any flash rust appearing and the need for any Metal Ready then sprayed them

with etch primer ready for storage.

Cheers Dave

[chrislord0410]

i have some 13 inch spoke rims and they have brown rust on it i believe from water vaabor on it i tryed everything to clean it but wont come off wat can i use to get it off wat u used in here

[Desertrodder]

@chrislord0410 ....... Even if they are chrome spoke rims with rust it will remove it without affecting the chrome. Once done you may need to apply polish to keep them looking good again.

Cheers Dave

[UpcomingJedi]

MMMMMMMmmmm  hooch!

[thegenrl]

great video mate! 

[gokblok]

So this is really just natural edible molasses? It's not a chemical referred to as a molasses because of viscosity or anything?

[kalishaROX]

How long does it soak in the mixture?

[Desertrodder]

@kalishaROX ...... Generally for two weeks but it all depends on the condition.

If it hasn't all gone when you pull it out and wash it , just immerse it for another week.

Cheers Dave

[kalishaROX]

@Desertrodder ok thx alot

[burnsalan15]

Ok ive got a old motorcycle that i plan to restore, any ideas on removing rust from that. anyone plz reply

[Desertrodder]

@burnsalan15 .....This solution will work fine for the motor bike, just don't insert any

alloy parts in the tank. Strip the bike down so the rust can be removed from behind any bolts etc

and do it bit by bit if you like. If the is good paint on the frame etc I would paint strip it first .

Cheers Dave Ailey

[spyoung777]

Does this remove paint as well, or just rust?

[fatroofus]

@spyoung777 bump.. any response?



[spyoung777]

@fatroofus no replies

[fatroofus]

@spyoung777 bump.. any response?

[Desertrodder]

@spyoung777 Yes it can if its old paint. Or leave it in for a longer time, bets to paint strip it first if its new paint.

[spyoung777]

@Desertrodder Thanks!

[rm250fan]

Brilliant!

[barkingspider2009]

Hi there, thanks for these videos .. I love the "country music". I am ready to try this on my 1954 chevy 1/2 ton - wanted to ask how big the tub is that you use - I am looking at a 610 gallon water trough. Thanks!!

[Desertrodder]

@barkingspider2009 ....That's very close to the size of my tank so should be all good.

Cheers Dave

[barkingspider2009]

@Desertrodder Thanks Dave. One more question - any thoughts on what to do with big items like the cab and the frame?

[snippy454]

Have you tried using bags of dried molasses to make this solution? I can find dry molasses much easier than liquid and it's cheaper. One gallon wet molasses is $10 and 50lbs. dry is $19. What ratio of water to dry molasses would you recommend?

[gutersteinker]

Mate, sorry, but I don't fukin' hear you well.. What's the mixture of this Magiic stuff 

[Desertrodder]

@gutersteinker .....One part of the solution to Nine parts of water, I do hope the f@#$ you understand that

[fatroofus]

@Desertrodder =D i love it

[gravey07]

Skills.

[manon809]

Is the molasses technique safe to use on a rusted knife?

[Desertrodder]

@manon809 ..... Hi yes it is safe to use on a knife. Provided there is no aluminium parts as in the handle etc.

It will not harm glass , plastics etc

[scoot4life250]

would it work on bikes ? good vid :))

[Desertrodder]

@scoot4life250 ..... Hi, yes it will work on push bikes too

[zorropup21]

Can this method be used to clean rust from motorcycle gas tanks?

[Desertrodder]

@zorropup21 .....Hi, yes not a problem. I repaired car fuel tanks that have rusted and cleaned them with this method first. They come out great. As a tank sits in storage it will create condensation . As water is heavier it sits on the bottom. So you should be fine for many years to come. Cheers

[JonDeth]

I wonder if it's actually bacteria eating the molasses which results in it also eating the rust.

[JoseDJimenez]

This works great ; ) add more sulfur and it even removes old paint, do not dip soft metals ! I wire brushed a 1970 GMC front K member and I am going to dip it to has a super clean practically new member. This will revmove all rust even heavy nasty rust. Just buy a converter or use apple sider vinegar before you add your rust sealer or paint ! Use it !

[ryongchoi]

is it safe to soak a motor cylinder..........and does it have any effect on mineral deposits.......

[Desertrodder]

@ryongchoi ..... Yes cast steel blocks are fine , just don't do it with alloy blocks.

I am not aware of any effects on mineral deposits

[omasta75]

how long do the panels have to sit for?

[Desertrodder]

@omasta75 ....... That depends on how bad they are , but generally two weeks. Just pull them out , wash them and check the results. If needed put them in for another week. Its simple as that. No hard work here trust me.

Cheers: Dave Ailey

[staytruestayfit]

how did you get the chrome like that on the wheels? thanks

[Desertrodder]

@staytruestayfit .... The chrome is actually aftermarket wheel trims I bought from a local auto parts store.

I decided not to use the traditional early ford wheel trims which are much slimmer and tried these as they cover a larger portion of the wheel edge. Much cheaper too. Cheers

[yneedlove]

Hello... i need help.... please tell me how can i do to my bmw 318i ... have some rust on the dor's and under the dors... sorry for my english... and what's thename of the product....i don't know if i hawe something like that in my country... can i buy from autoshop or...???

[Desertrodder]

@yneedlove ....... Hi there. First up do your doors have rust holes in them?... if so you will need to check my other video out : "Door skin repairs from rust : The correct way "

If not and it is only surface rust you would be best removing the doors from the car, completely remove any electrics as in windows and interior trims . All rubbers and paint can be left on. Immerse the door in the solution for a few days and check it every two days. This won't effect the paint at the early stages.

[Desertrodder]

@yneedlove .... If you read previous posts this will explain more to you. The product is called Molassis.

Regards Dave Ailey

[yneedlove]

@Desertrodder i found something... this is god for baking cookies...:D

[mutantatoms]

How long did the parts soak?

[Desertrodder]

@mutantatoms ..... You can view the process on video 2 , but generally two weeks has been the average time for me. It all depends on the condition of the part. If its only surface rust one week is fine, if its badly pitted 3 - 4 weeks might be needed. But what does it matter you drop it in the solution and leave it . Move on and do something else on the project its as easy as that . Regards Dave

[MrsD7777]

WOW! Grandmas Old Molases is stronger than a Sandblaster! (no wonder those cookies kept us in the bathroom)! *lol* Excellent Video!

Question: How can I use this solution to remove small rust spots on my Ford SUV without removing the whole panel? Thank U!

[Desertrodder]

@MrsD7777 ...Try soaking a a large rag in the solution and laying it over the affected areas.

You will have to do this inside the garage so it won't dry out. The key point is to keep the rag wet at all times.

[stupidhumans100]

Thanks dude- been doing bodywork for 20 years and never heard about it. Will save me lots of work.

Got a tip 4 you- Use brake cleaner to remove grease, oil, stains etc from carpet and upholstery - Works instantly just spray and wipe but CAUTION do NOT breath it in, it is a carcinogenic

[NoOdL3z18]

Will this work on aluminum rims? I recently replaced the brakes on an 89 firebird that hes been sitting for 10 years and rust and brake dust stained the rim brown.

[Desertrodder]

@NoOdL3z18 .... NO!!!! I would not put aluminium into the solution. You may TEST and try for a couple of hours but you don't want to damage the polished finish if they still look good. Most of the aluminium I have witnessed to be damaged is old door handles etc, so the rims would be of a stronger material and may work , but TEST first.

[NoOdL3z18]

@Desertrodder Thanks for the input man. I have the original Honeycomb rims and don't want to ruin them.

[valandsergio]

@Desertrodder

Good afternoon. my friend.

Did you try Apple Cyder Vinager?

I saw another video that shows How to use POR-15.

They used Apple Cyder Vinager, and the results are great.

Then, they applies POR-15

Thanks,

[NoOdL3z18]

will this work on aluminum rims? I just replaced the brake pads on my 89 firebird and it stained the rim brown :l

[SquatterCrab]

if i need to clean a bike crank which is very small do i need a massive tub like that or can i use a bucket

[Desertrodder]

@SquatterCrab ...A bucket will be OK, just use 1 part of the molassis to anywhere from 5 - 9 parts of water.

It all depends on how quickly you want it removed.

Regards

[cindylouwhou]

Would this work on a bike rim in a wash tub?

[Desertrodder]

@cindylouwhou ......It most certainly will

[Karpinski29]

would this work with exhaust manifolds?

[Desertrodder]

@Karpinski29 .....It certainly will you will be amazed.

Regards Dave

[Karpinski29]

@Desertrodder thanks :)

[bill739]

is it possible to use this sort of system to remove rust from the frame and underside of a car that is still together as in drivable. i would like to get the rust of the underside of my car that i drive . is there a meathod for that . ?

[Desertrodder]

@TheTrixzor... Hi , Molassis is derived from sugar cane, it is the syrup before it is dried and bleached into the small cubes we know in the kitchen. Farming supplies generally sell this product for the cows and horses to lick as a treat etc.

If you have any problems getting it let me know and I will source out information to ship it to you.

All the best: Desertrodder ( Dave Ailey)

[damncranky666]

Excellent vids!

[aaronmovie]

How could i soak the roof of my car? could i just soak some rags and just keep wetting them each day? ALso how do you dispose of the water mix?

[Desertrodder]

@aaronmovie : You have chosen a tough one. This I haven't tried with the rags, but what you could do is park the car inside the garage on to a very large roll of plastic, the very type builders use under the concrete slab. Make sure all small stones etc are wash of the floor first and make a bath around the car with timber frames fixing the plastic to the top of this frame. Fill your temporary bath with the solution and source out a pump that can continuously pump the solution over the roof.

[Desertrodder]

@aaronmovie ; Now to dispose of the solution I have pumped it onto my lawn, remember this is organic and it will only produce a sweet smell so I would run the sprinkler on this same area at the same time you dispose it. This will dilute it more and eventually soak up.

[1973mazdarx4coupe]

aussie aussie aussie ! watch my vids bro!

[netmatrix75]

I like the sign that says, Private property, Bugger off! hahahaha.

Anyway have you tried dipping a metal item in just molasses alone? i wonder how that would turn up? Also if the weather is hot or cold, would it affect the speed of rust removal?

Thanks! Very good tip here.

[bbhbhhnjny1]

well this work on chrome trim as well

[Desertrodder]

@bbhbhhnjny1.... Yes it will and won't affect the chrome at all. I have done this to a 1936 ford bumper bar with some good chrome and one end had very bad pitting. It cleaned all the rust off and I then painted the pitting to look like actual rust again.

[OlegKostoglatov]

Good, another rust removal method to try. I've been experimenting with electrolytic rust removal which is faster, however it will strip the paint off as well which is no good for projects where you want to preserve the paint but remove the rust. I may try this on A Puch moped frame that I have, the gas tank is rusty (with pinholes) but the paint is still somewhat decent, it should fit in a plastic garbage can.

[beat53chevy]

thanks a lot great video

[texasmaclellan]

how much molasses and water do you mix together? i have a 1965 f100 and i wanna get rid of some rust on it but not damage it and this looks legit to me!

[Desertrodder]

@texasmaclellan You can mix 9 parts of water to 1 part of molassis, though I have made stronger batches as in 6 parts of water to 1 part molassis though this will just speed the process up. It won't damage the steel, just don't leave your alloy trims in etc for too long as it will damage them.

[COLINAsherwin]

thank you! ill try this one :D thanks for sharing, more powers!

[youthpastorryan]

This is amazing. Molasses. Does this just remove surface rust, or will this remove structural rust as well?

[Desertrodder]

Yes it will remove structural rust as well , just needs more time. Surface rust it can be removed in a week, deeper rust it can take up to 4 weeks or more just depends on how bad the item is.

[tufftudor]

This is awesome. Thanks for the info. I've tried this at home and I'm shocked at how well it works. Amazing. I appreciate you sharing this tip with me. I am doing up an old car and its coming up good. thanks again.