Absolutism is absolutely horrible!

[clcluv1708]

so this isn't about absolutism, this is about you and your beliefs and trying to figure out what is right. people can say all they want, but what people say isn't always the truth or what they even truely believe. there is a difference between preference, opinion, and true morality.

[holybabble]

@clcluv1708 you are correct, i was way off base here.

sorry to have troubled you in any way, and thanks for the criticism...you fucker. j/k

have a good day.

[Fundemons]

The funny thing is these churches complain about relativism, but the Churches are the biggest relativists. Funny thing is that Fundamentalists want censorship on swear words, while they whine about censorship agianst their hate mongering. They complain about immorality, while the God who would torture them for all eternity is moral in doing so. Go figure.

[iandorsey]

So what would you call this guys opinion? Is this guys opinion the standard??? He saying his opinion based on his on his own reasoning is the standard......so, if a mans reason can be the standard and peoples reasoning is subjective then is there anything that can be considered true?? Why even reason or discuss anything if everything is subjective because if everything is subjective then you cant possibly arrive at an answer......

[Fundemons]

@iandorsey Agnostic. 

[SixthtySixthSix]

superb... just as society disposes to outcast criminals, diseased, etc., so society has laddered the isolation of the religious to padded rooms, compounds, and churches... beautiful! Very well formed, thanks! :)

[L00NGB00W]

Seems we think much the same way holybabble.

Unfortunately evolution did not bless me with much faith.

My F.Q. (Faith Quotient) is probably around 37. Whereas the average Christian probably has an F.Q. of around 100.

To make matters worse, my I.Q. is offset equally in the opposite direction. That forces me to research, and ponder about stuff.

It's all very inconvenient... It would be so much easier to believe. =(

[perchedeagle2]

Oh I love that when you say "If there's a god..." the "NFL" calls lmao! looked unplanned but the timing was perfect!

[holybabble]

that was unplanned.

it is actually a long video, one that i need to make a second or a third for. i had to break this down so much, that it lost much of it's umph!

thanks!

[perchedeagle2]

@holybabble yeah i figured after it rang again. But cool! I'll watch the trilogy!

[perchedeagle2]

I really liked your calm heartfelt honesty. I particularly like this one because it may be one that reaches not only atheists who have struggled, but believers. Not to doubt their faith but it may help make them stop judging us and understand why we doubt ours. "Heretics" used to be executed. I feel glad we have freedom to talk (at least for now until the next fall of civilization and society) but I do wish I could relate more to people. My dad critiqued my email about atheism line by line.

[bnbalenda]

Keep up the good work.

[jmyinlb]

The more I watch you I think we are living duel lives! Keep up the good work. I will tell my friends to watch!

[holybabble]

thanks man!

[ryandfox]

I know absolutely that this video is poignant!

[holybabble]

but that's based on facts!

thanks man.

[darkwhitedirewolf]

only a sith speaks in absolutes.

[perchedeagle2]

@darkwhitedirewolf damn you I was gonna say that! lol

[L00NGB00W]

Hahah! That's funny! I actually had a theist say that during a religious debate, and called me Anakin Skywalker.

I'm convinced he just couldn't follow my line of reasoning.

I retorted by calling him Don Quixote. Which he took as a compliment!!! lol

[Hereticbooks]

Interesting....

[richie3622]

Good vid =] the phone calls were hilarious, with the ESPN thing cutting in lol

[hoinky]

what do you mean you had to play along with religion though mate? is the US really that bad that it's a constant confrontation in society? do people just randomly bring religion and faith up in conversation? as a 20 year old university student in australia religion is very much in the background, at least over here.

[holybabble]

we have it constantly brought up in politics...we had the ten commandments in our courthouse...most of my family and old friends are believers.

by 'believers' i mean they go to church and talk about gods more than you can imagine.

in australia, if you attend a funeral, would you be confronted with heavens and hells? i have had to sit and listen to the most ridiculous claims at weddings and funerals than you would ever imagine.

i have been asked about my beliefs at work 100's of times!

[holybabble]

you cannot believe how uncomfortable it is when someone sits across a table from you (that you do business with), and asks you personal god stuff. i shouldn't be honest, i should just lie...but i don't.

it is on our money, it is in our pledge, we are one nation under superstition!

[kriptonis]

never thought USA was like that.

Here in Portugal, religion does have a heavy height in society, but nothing like that.

many politicians are atheists, as is the current prime minister ( Jose Socrates ).

[richie3622]

Yes, in the US, God & religion are a frontline presence. And I use the term "frontline" with meaning.

[Paxmax]

hmm, yeah and also Good Vid Holybabble!

[Paxmax]

I cannot rule out the existance of beings in this universe to be far more advanced than us. They might posess god-like features compared to us.

However, I feel 100% sure that a diety described as yahweh, Allah, Thor, Dionysis does not exist...

And the "trancendanl mind" bit... *sigh*

Where does the mind go, or what does it do when I'm go under heavy anesthetic?

How is that different when I'm dead?

According to my mind, I could just as well be dead when I'm anesthesized. It simply stops.

[richie3622]

Trying to answer transcendentalism with inductive, emergent reasoning? Keep trying, man. All you gotta do is knock that 100% down to 99.9999-% and you'll be on solid ground.

[tuber2308]

were either of those calls me?

[holybabble]

you should have called!

snorri was first. the second was travis (bigfoot).

did you see the 'oil of joy' video?

[8journey8]

This was good. Really good. I love my god-free life. Religion didn't give me any peace, it kept me at war in my head: my brain insisted that dogma was so convoluted it couldn't possibly be true, and the well trained religious part of my brain demanded that I believe it or else. Ugh. It was ugly and I'm grateful to be free.

I will forever be indebted to atheists who got on youtube and couldn't shut up about the glaring discrepancies in religious theory. (and the bible itself) Yay!! Thanks!

[TheAist]

i wont be out done! im going to fly building into some planes for atheism!

[Chibling]

absolute knowledge is impossible

[DavinCreed]

Unfortunately so, though I wish it were possible.

[kriptonis]

absolutely.

[ikkuj]

I used to think, just like all atheists really, that the "subjective experience" argument was the weakest of all arguments when trying to decide an objective fact such as the existence of god. But I am a much more meditative person now, and one of the most important things I learned is that life IS a subjective experience and so the subjective is really all that matters to an individual.

[ikkuj]

I'm glad that you brought up that absolutism is bad for atheism too. It's one of my worst pet peeves when people are militantly atheist and hate all religion because they KNOW that all religions are stupid and foolish and silly. I used to be a hardcore atheist but now I'm more of an agnostic pantheist. The most important thing I know is that I don't know. Although from subjective experience I lean toward a belief in a higher order.

[Zentz29]

i came out of the religion closet when i was 14.

the funny thing is, i always believed in god just because it's what i was told. when i was 14 my mom re-married a fundie christian, and made me go to church. i started actually reading the bible.

reading the bible, and hearing the people in church is what made me look at christianity as a cult. that, and the fact that questions just weren't allowed. i couldn't understand why these people wouldn't question one single thing they believed.

[Zentz29]

they claim to be right "without question", but were afraid to answer some of the questions i asked them, and i wouldn't doubt they just kind of blocked out their own questions.

i thought it was pretty pathetic. people at the church didn't like me at all(love thy neighbor lol) so my mom stopped making me go.

i was like the dirty little secret to my "step-family. i didn't care though. i'd make it a point to ask questions concerning their beliefs. i'm pretty sure i made them think about it more!

[treetheoak]

his names father mark (cheesy name for a priest he admited, but he wasnt raised in a roman catholic church his family was prodistant) he claimed that through his life he met alot of people that knew it or not changed his life, while he was growing up in downtown toronto. he says more and more people in our community think more openly about the topics such as abortion (to him a last resort but a mothers decision non the less) gay rights (he has several friends all church goer in my church) and

[treetheoak]

evolution, well tbh in my catholic school no ones (except exacly one girl who litterally isnt all there) will agree that evolution and the big bang is a more reasonalbe theory on the earth and universes origins. the fact is you cant disprove something like god because quite frankly you cant prove him! im not 100% certain he's there but there is a part of me that says somethings out there. even if its a martion or id eat my sweater a gaint spaghettie monster.

btw how old are you zentz29?

[treetheoak]

because they are fundies man. in *my roman catholic community i did go to a bible study, and we discused on the old testiment. needles to say were not that difrent (give or take a few old school members mostly in between middle aged and old) we learned that the bibles not a rule book but a book, a tool that can used to create a peaceful freedom or opress it.

i asked about my preists thoughts on evolution, gay rights, and abortion and his thoughts and opinions were all pro and reasonable.

[aartvegan]

Right on.

[wimawa]

Well spoken.

[MeIoco]

Christians always try to make like we are mad at god, or have something against this mythological being.

The fact is that if there where a heaven, or eternal life, I'd be the first person in line, but there just isn't any of that. I'm 99% sure.

I say 99 because I admit, I can't be 100% positive, but if it where true, it raise a lot more questions than it would answer.

[holybabble]

well put!

[kriptonis]

still, being 99% sure is the same as being unsure.

It's just a matter of words. and that's where holybabble puts his finger on the wound:

If you concede that nothing is absolute, you can accept other points of view and argue with different minds openly. Because you know there's a chance you are wrong.

But when you "absolutely" know you are right, why bother and listen to anyone that thinks differently? ;)

[L00NGB00W]

Personally I am mad at god. I'm very dissapointed with his performance to date, and I think he's an ass.

If he were real I would give him a good stern talking to.

[Sam10947]

@MeIoco

u couldn't be more than 50% sure,and so does anybody, because u don't have proof, getting a 99% certainty means u have proof that support ur finding. "engineer"

[onlywhenprovoked]

ps. your ring tone sounds like a new show intro :)

[holybabble]

it's monday night football.

[onlywhenprovoked]

koresh didn't claim to be a prophet.

and they weren't molesting those kids or hurting anyone.

i think their religious ideas were insane, but they didn't deserve to be burned alive, and this common perception of him being a cult leader is a result of the government cover up of their unjust slaughter.

look into the story, you'll see what i mean.

and i can't even imagine what it's like to make it to my 30s and still believe in that santa claus stuff.

other than that, i agree with your premise.

[holybabble]

i don't mean to insinuate that either.  dahmer thought he was the anti-christ, not the messiah. koresh was a lunatic with followers (and no, he shouldn't have been burned for it).

i'm just showing that the amount of believers (in a ridiculous claim) determine how we classify the group or individual. (and i'll add that to my description)

thanks

[Duero1337]

Lunatic, cult, religion, thats the evolution of belief it seems. Couldn't have said it bettery myself ^^

[holybabble]

thanks!