@parasitesarefunny Unlike Youtube users, who are invariably well informed, thoughtfull and polite. They also seem to have a keen sense of humor and a firm grasp of sarcasm.
@2kimports plz tell me ur kinnindng, if not, then u should go to get u slef check, couse u r the stupid perons i hace ever read..... and i am from south america......
My favorite "Almost gets it right" movie - Avatar: Great effort on the starship. One black mark about the "unobtainium" - no exotic element from the theoretical second island of stability? Just iron? And we can't synthesize it?? WTF?!?
The rationalization of 12 parsecs meaning the distance was shortened to 12 parsecs breaks down when you consider that 12 parsecs is 39.12 light years. Han Solo doesn't look that old.
@unamaxify Indeed. If you turn with me to your "Star Wars: The Essential Chronology" p. 45 "In the vicinity of Kessel, an exotic grouping of black holes formed an extreme navigational hazard known as the Maw. This provided a backdrop for the famed Kessel Run, a dangerous high-speed route used by smugglers."
Three billion women in the world, odds are one of them finds encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars to be dead sexy.
Han Solo is trying to sell himself, completely BSing it, which is why Obi-Wan laughs. He's the only one present who realizes a parsec is a unit of distance. I'm really surprised your "huge Star Wars fans" didn't point this out, I've known for quite some time, and I by no means read every source I can on the subject or watch the movies straight through every week, I think I watched them around three years ago maybe.
@TheJCdrummer It's a possible explanation, but Luke, who wanted to be a pilot and therefore probably knows the units, didn't laugh. So still, arguable.
a Parsec may be a measure of distance. But he was running spice through the kessel run. A part of this run has a gathering of black holes (called The Maw). So the bounce off the black hole actually warped the distance.
SO BOOM HANS STILL A BEAST!
Read the han solo trilogy the second book its called the hutt gambit it explains further
@MrNutsyben .. which means he has to go really fast to avoid the pull of the black holes. if you're slower you have to take a longer route but if you're fast you can cut more corners thru the black hole areas. and george lucas' book was a piece of crap
Almost all the names for everyone and everything that Lucas came up with in his first draft were idiotic-- Remember, this is the guy who also came up with "younglings". Timeparts is nothing compared to some of the shit he threw out.
If the kessel run were, for example a smugglers route through lets say an constantly moving asteroid field or a comlex network of canyons or even a star field - then the route would have to be the SHORTEST to be the fastest. The whole point could be not the way you think about time, but the way you think about a race. Golfers have to play the least shots, darts players play to 0. Its all about context.
In Star Wars hes talking about hyper speed. Considering a hyper drive folds space/time like a warp-drive, it would probably be more appropriate to brag about the distance traveled, relative to the ship, as oppose to the time it took to travel a distance. This is because light speed is a constant, everyone would know how 'fast' it can go, but not how 'short' the fold in space/time would make said journey to the occupants.
You have to remember though, Star Wars isn't science fiction,it's science fantasy so scientific accuracy isn't overly important.
The scene he talks of though is really bad grammar, people can say it's only fiction or whatever but people wouldn't except such an excuse if you said "I'm eight metres late for work", 'cause it makes no sense.
@gravisan There's a reason why it is called "Suspension of Disbelief". The entire basis of Suspension of Disbelief is that one can overlook the differences between a fiction world and their own if all the parts fall into a similar realm of believability.
Han Solo's blaster rifle doesn't shoot angry puppies, for the simple fact that its so unbelievable that you'd have lost your audience.
What people don't know is that the Kessel Run is located in a cluster of black holes known as the Maw. Looking at them from a distance is like looking at rows and rows of gigantic teeth. What Solo did was get really close to those black holes, closer than most people do because of the ship's legendary speed, shortening the distance and making it back alive to brag about it.
I'm sick of the parsec example. I'm sure Lucas screwed up (though not as bad as he'd go back & screw it up later), but I can easily imagine a scenario where finding a shorter physical distance through the Run would be important. It's like finding a shorter passage around Africa by digging a canal or a shorter plane route by using great circles. Maybe the Run was full of gravity wells and Han found a way to cut closer to them without being ripped apart, thus making the run in less distance.
I thought it was that the Kessel run took a ship in close proximity to a Black Hole, and the distance meant he was able to evade the gravitation force at a distance of 12 Parsecs, implying it was a powerful engine.
This guy is a jackass. Every decent star wars fan knows that Solo was bragging about coming up with a faster route (getting there covering less distance) not getting there faster.
@jedimastercreech Not necessarily. Couldn't it be that Solo was making a joke - that the Kessel Run is less than twelve parsecs long? In that case, it would sound incredibly impressive while really being a statement of common fact.
@lusteraliaszero Is that a criticism, a suggestion, or a concurrence (or something else altogether)? I can't tell what you're trying to say, or whether you're reinterpreting what I said, or defending jedimastercreech, whom I know I wasn't attacking. (Nor am I attacking you. I simply can't tell what you're getting at.)
I'm just sick of people picking on the potential scientific error in Star Wars when movies like "The Core" and "Sunshine" and "2012" and "Armageddon" and "Battlefield Earth" out there. I mean, a potential misuse of a single astronomical term versus a ship of unobtanium drilling trough giant diamonds and restarting the earth's core with a nuke or an alien race that conquered Earth in 15 minutes 10,000 years ago and yet still haven't figured out how to go up into the mountains.
Alright Proffesser im gonna break this down for you the reason he said that he did it in less than 12 parsects. You see they were travaling through a space called " The Maw" You see the maw is a section of space cursed with lots of gravity wells and small blackholes. Han solo hit one of these and was sent through a microjump through time and space. Chewbacca told him he was crazy Read "The hutt gambit" And read "Rebel Dawn" At the end of the book is where he actually does the kessel run BOOM!!!
Oh, THAT kind of bad science. I thought you were going to complain about the possibility of traveling faster than light and fixed-length laser weapons. Yeah, I agree with you. It's the same as saying lightyears is a measurement of time.
yeah, I know what you mean, I noticed this myself when I was in highschool.
it is one thing if there is a reason for breaking the rule, I also had a problem with a 10 ton robot transforming into a 1 ton car.
the funniest thing is the startrek phaser array, the deestructive energy coalescs into one point then shoots... an array allows you to focus multiple shots in the same spot so you can hit the enemy with more energy than any materials can handle (incl what the weapon is made of)
why do people always assume that Han was rtalking about time rather than distance when referring to the 12 parsecs thing? for all we know there could have been barriers that made the distance greater and Han found a way around them in a shorter distance.
I propose this to illustrate how close minded most "scientist" actually are in this world and how they cannot think a problem through entirely. They have one solution and IT MUST BE RIGHT.
@jamesjdm i think the kessel run had something to do with a black hole, and it was something about like how close you could get to it without fucking up and dying
There is one reason he is wrong here. if he would if doesn't his research he would find out that the run is a series of black holes that u have to slingshot yourself around. when Han says it made it in 12 parsecs it means that we was able to slingshot himself around the black-holes is the shortest distance possible.
Uh no, get over it geek. Seriously, this guy must cry himself to sleep at night knowing that he's such a waste of lfie by over analyzing and disputing with/about a FICTIONAL movie. Star Wars wasn't made to teach physics and disputing it with an argument makes you THAT much more of an idiot. Seriously what a NERD.
Okay first of all asshole, if you knew anything you would know that the Kessel Run is an 18 parsec route. This means that The Millennium Falcon is such an agile ship and Han Solo is such a badass that he can actually decrease the distance between the beginning and the end of the run by increasing the geometrical efficiency of the route by taking more dangerous routes within the Kessel Run itself. So fuck you buddy.
@Pjhammer1 ya know im pretty sure that if you watch this again you will see that he says that very thing. in fewer words mind you but he says that. and as he says its called RETCON. its what you do when you realize that you fucked up and then make up a reason to make it look like you didnt. writers do it alll the time.
I love star wars. I've always loved it and always will. But arguing about the parsecs thing is the biggest waste of brain cells ever. GET OVER IT. It's a story about a young boy overthrowing an empire. Not about science.
Everything about Star Wars is bad science. Using the force or "telekinesis/telepathy", light speed, light sabers, Greedo shooting first, it's all a scientific joke. Way funnier than a lame parsecs joke that no one cares about.
@Natedawg422 You really don't get it? Star Wars is grounded in fantasy. And the fact that Han Solo shot first has nothing to do with science. Though the parsecs thing is science, and a blunder.
Well, here is a way to rationalize "time parts..."
The Empire is a bureaucracy. The Star Wars story is about the evils of empire, and how they must collapse. It makes sense that a massive govt bureaucracy would come up with a bland, lame, standard name for time.
Star Wars is fundamentally libertarian.
One of the main heroes is a smuggler!
Padmé: "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause."
OK, the kessel run is like along a black hole. so the faster you're going, the closer you can get to it without being sucked in. so he was going fast enough to get within 12 parsecs of the black hole without being sucked in and utterly destroyed.
I thought the "Kessel run" was supposed to bew impressive as it's surrounded by 3 black holes and they had to do some crazy navigating to get through but Han had a bet with Lando and went straight instead. Or something like that anyhow....I read it in one some Star Wars book years ago. But hey, maybe the real reason was to keep us focused on parsecs so we didn't express how utterly abysmal the prequels are.
this is a far more valid explanation than the BS people have made up about black holes. I love his word for the coverup of this mistake "retcon" applying a patch to a riped pair of pants does not mean the pants were not ripped.
People who complain about bad science in movies typically do not understand story telling and lack imagination and the ability to contribute to a genre.
No they just happen to know their science. Or ask questions about the world such as in avatar I asked "why the hell are those mountains floating?" these are legitimate gripes for instance if i were to say that a character made a bomb using nothing but tape a cardboard box and 3 different alcaholic beverages mixed together and it exploded like a bazooka I would be laughed at. only reason h-wood gets away with it is "its a movie suspend disbelief" i could do that if it was BELIEVABLE!
I thought when Han Solo said parsecs, that Han Solo was just being stupid, because Luke and Obi-Wan looked at each other as if Han Solo was retarded, so I thought it was a joke...
@Ronimations that was the intention, that he was making shit up, bragging away, and obiwan knew and was down with it, look at the way alec guiness responds to the remark about parsecs etc
Sometimes when appreciating art you have to let go of reality as long as you remember it's just fiction, then that's fine. The song 'Final Countdown' has that mistake, when it is sung 'so many light years away' when they are heading for Venus. Of course Venus is'nt even a minute fraction of a light year away... but it's forgiven because of artistic licence. And well, it's a great song.
Actually, if you want to get REALLY nerdy about it...The Kessel Run is measured in distance because pilots who navigate that area have to maneuver around several black holes, causing them to travel far out of their way on detours. The shorter the distance it took you to navigate the area the closer you must have been to the black holes. It's probably a retcon, but there is an explanation of it out there :)
@TitenSxull The SCIENCE part comes first. It is natural to suspect that the FICTION section is, therefore, inferior.
You could easily reverse your argument and be left with an equally useless outcome.
Perhaps calling star-freakin-wars a fairy tale rip-off does the franchise a whole lot more justice whilst leaving proper science, fiction and science fiction alone.
@retepvosnul But that's not how it works, science is modifying the word fiction so fiction is the part that comes first. First and foremost every work of science fiction is a work of fiction, the only difference is that something science and technology related must be involved, that doesn't mean the science has to be right. Star Wars is Sci-Fi Fantasy anyway, its not pure sci-fi, the genre lines do get blurred from time to time
@TitenSxull I do not really care enough to take this to the next level. What it boils in the end is that Starwars is a pitiful badly written, mostly plagiarized, horrid fairytale story with more plot holes then a Swiss cheese. And arguing at any level about it's content is the equivalent of attempting to read the future in cow manure.
The kessel run is a smugglers route through space which has quite a large number of black holes, if you were to give the black holes quite a wide birth the distance would be around 25 parsecs, han boasting that he can make it in less than 12 means he can fly very close to the black holes thus taking the quickest route and not get sucked in...why? because his ship is so fast..i love comedy but come on man if your going to mock a film at least understand the back story and mythology.
Did you never considered that the efficiency of the Kessel Run could be based on the distance you have to cover for the trip? Like saying you made it from point x to point y in 15 miles rather then the standard 20 mile route. It might be a retcon but it works.
Good talk, but his argument relies on a fundamental assumption which appears to be unjustified: he assumes the Kessel Run is a race (maybe that is stated somewhere in the books, but it's not stated in the movie). The Kessel Run could just as easily be a route-plotting competition, and Han was just bragging about the high efficiency of the Millennium Falcon's navigation systems--sort of like a mountaineer bragging about having found the shortest path up Mount Everest.
@infantileretard I haven't watched a Star Wars movie in probably close to a decade. Trust me, I'm over it. What I'm not 'over' is people zealously criticizing bad science in movies by employing bad logic. Logic is the foundation of science--I can't be the only one who appreciates the irony here.
I'm hoping this guy is talking "tongue in cheek" but he's pretty shamelessly trying to capitalize on Lucas & "Star Wars" trying to grab his 15 minutes.
If only you little freaks had rewarded Lucas for THX1138, the way you did for his Sat Matinee cliffhanger plunge up his creative asshole.
The retro flicks of Lucas and Spielberg fit the pre-video days of midnight movies and the nostalgia craze, but their pre-eminence now is an embarrassment.
Lucas even pokes a bit of fun at Flash Gordon at the opening of THX.
A little like Hendrix saying, "You'll never hear Surf Music again..." on 3rd Stone...
How many people do you think read and heard that line about parsec while the movie was being made and just presumed that Lucas was right and they shouldnt say anything to him.
It's not really that he "compressed the space into less than 12 parsecs". It has to do with the fact that the Kessel Run, in Star Wars lore, is a route often used by smugglers that arcs dangerously close around (I forget if it was a black hole or a massive star or something like that), and the point is that a faster, more powerful ship can move CLOSER to the blackhole/star without being pulled into it's gravity well and trapped.
Traveling closer to the star makes the route straighter -> shorter
Now whether or not this was retcon... I have no idea. I'll take the speaker's word for it. But still, my nerdiness combined with my obsessive compulsiveness and forced me to explain it's not a "space compression" thing (actually Star Trek explains that their "Warp Speed" does have to do with compressing and moving space around the ship... but that's a completely different universe), it's a pathing thing.
Did he buy the book just to have the definitive rebuff to the parsec-misuse, I wonder...
starmirth 1 month ago
..ah fuck it let's just call it "orange"
arisus81 1 month ago
Han Solo can say anything and make it sound good. And look good while he's saying it. Frankly, I find it rather distracting.
sanjhunt 1 month ago
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The Holocaust Lie.
The Moon Walk Lie
9/11 Demolition
Macro Evolution Lie
Scientists are for the most part brainwashed idiots who just repeat crap for a paycheck.
parasitesarefunny 2 months ago
@parasitesarefunny Unlike Youtube users, who are invariably well informed, thoughtfull and polite. They also seem to have a keen sense of humor and a firm grasp of sarcasm.
MrZentuga 1 month ago 2
A classic theme but a very good delivery.
Giby86 2 months ago
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myrddraal986 2 months ago
nothing says the star wars universe word "parsec" means the same that it does in our world
lokpest 2 months ago
@lokpest ....Or the word "chair"; but they do seem to be speaking English, a language that already has a meaning for parsec...
MrZentuga 1 month ago
i just love him!!! hahah and i love star wars too!! he is hilarious!
XZandXGforlife 2 months ago
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robjm1988 3 months ago
@thatamazinggeek huh?
robjm1988 3 months ago
I would even like this guy sitting down..
richter75 3 months ago 2
This guy is soooo lame.
BlackJacketJones 3 months ago
time parts
themr1down 4 months ago
t=x/c?
brownaleguru 4 months ago
i get what he is saying cough cough
Shadowpuppet7x 5 months ago
the millenium falcon was traveling so fast that the distance between two places was reduced... ie worm hole
2kimports 5 months ago
@2kimports The millennium falcon is a tiny polyurethane model and Lucas can't write for shit.
Voxnulla 5 months ago
@2kimports plz tell me ur kinnindng, if not, then u should go to get u slef check, couse u r the stupid perons i hace ever read..... and i am from south america......
MrBernano 4 months ago
@MrBernano What do you get when you throw a piano down a Chilean mine?
A flat minor.
richter75 3 months ago
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2kimports 5 months ago
A 25,000 year old civilization to boot, you think time of all things would be very important to them, lol.
LeftoverJedi 6 months ago
I wish this video longer by several more standard time parts
mrgimp420 6 months ago 4
How about the way Star Wars is hyped? "Light years ahead of its time."
niflap 6 months ago
My favorite "Almost gets it right" movie - Avatar: Great effort on the starship. One black mark about the "unobtainium" - no exotic element from the theoretical second island of stability? Just iron? And we can't synthesize it?? WTF?!?
RyuDarragh 7 months ago
Great.
Now Star Wars is going to bug me.
TheBiAtheist 7 months ago
The rationalization of 12 parsecs meaning the distance was shortened to 12 parsecs breaks down when you consider that 12 parsecs is 39.12 light years. Han Solo doesn't look that old.
SkepticalBastard 7 months ago
huh ? that was an error ?
i always thought his ship allowed him to fly a shorter route
(emphasizing that only his ship was able to fly that route)
now i understand why people always say one has to read
the book to understand the movie.
But reading books uses up so many standard time parts.
(& yeah i realize saying "standard time parts" is a real old joke in this comment section)
unamaxify 7 months ago 3
@unamaxify Indeed. If you turn with me to your "Star Wars: The Essential Chronology" p. 45 "In the vicinity of Kessel, an exotic grouping of black holes formed an extreme navigational hazard known as the Maw. This provided a backdrop for the famed Kessel Run, a dangerous high-speed route used by smugglers."
Three billion women in the world, odds are one of them finds encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars to be dead sexy.
wkumatchstick 6 months ago
@wkumatchstick
Yeah i just opened ... amazon and bought Star Wars:The Essential Chronology
I'll turn to page 45 in a few day's if the force is with UPS.
... Well I found one of those rare women, i suggest the particle physics section of
a university (that's where i ended my search) Also don't be too picky about appearances
they loose the chub when they're done studying.
unamaxify 6 months ago
I wish Brian Malow was my neighbor.
DrakeMagnum 7 months ago
Han Solo is trying to sell himself, completely BSing it, which is why Obi-Wan laughs. He's the only one present who realizes a parsec is a unit of distance. I'm really surprised your "huge Star Wars fans" didn't point this out, I've known for quite some time, and I by no means read every source I can on the subject or watch the movies straight through every week, I think I watched them around three years ago maybe.
TheJCdrummer 7 months ago
@TheJCdrummer It's a possible explanation, but Luke, who wanted to be a pilot and therefore probably knows the units, didn't laugh. So still, arguable.
gilless429 7 months ago
a Parsec may be a measure of distance. But he was running spice through the kessel run. A part of this run has a gathering of black holes (called The Maw). So the bounce off the black hole actually warped the distance.
SO BOOM HANS STILL A BEAST!
Read the han solo trilogy the second book its called the hutt gambit it explains further
twitchey93 9 months ago 2
This guy is hilarious!
DeepAbsentia 9 months ago 2
please give me a break is so stupid
bulltaladro 9 months ago
I love this guy :D wish he could be my teacher !
Ivka272 9 months ago 4
should have said GEGOOKS
cornishphilosopher 9 months ago
So true.
SirTeeGeeEss 9 months ago
Brilliant talk ....
But the kessel run that Han Solo speaks of is a race with distributed blackholes as waypoints.
MrNutsyben 9 months ago
@MrNutsyben .. which means he has to go really fast to avoid the pull of the black holes. if you're slower you have to take a longer route but if you're fast you can cut more corners thru the black hole areas. and george lucas' book was a piece of crap
dooivid 9 months ago
I'll take time-parts over Jar-Jar any day of the galactic week!
mikepalomino 9 months ago
My teacher used that whole scene as an example of a LOT of things that may are not necessarily be correct ^_^
MAZZ0Murder 10 months ago
Almost all the names for everyone and everything that Lucas came up with in his first draft were idiotic-- Remember, this is the guy who also came up with "younglings". Timeparts is nothing compared to some of the shit he threw out.
GoblinXXX 10 months ago
Just awesome! I hope someone translate this to portuguese so people here can see it. =)
Koenma007 10 months ago
If the kessel run were, for example a smugglers route through lets say an constantly moving asteroid field or a comlex network of canyons or even a star field - then the route would have to be the SHORTEST to be the fastest. The whole point could be not the way you think about time, but the way you think about a race. Golfers have to play the least shots, darts players play to 0. Its all about context.
Dudeness21 10 months ago 5
@Dudeness21 Context that the audience would need to know, but doesn't = bad writing.
GoblinXXX 10 months ago
Fuckin' time parts, how do they work...
TheRedneckAtheist 10 months ago 2
I hope he has a day job!
MsWanderer1 10 months ago
I hope this guy is famous.
nowheretosit 11 months ago
yards.............inches rlmaol
BlueModel8 11 months ago
imagine Ogre from the movie revenge of the nerds, just bust in the room and scream, NERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!
jaredleospirit 11 months ago
The parsec comment is to show Han Solo is lying, =\
musicmaster8 11 months ago
And that starwars geek wuld still be wrong.. lool, never heard of relativ distance...
MAlgMAlg1 1 year ago
So that's where retcon comes from.
YouFoolWarrenIsDead 1 year ago
Just waistin' some time on You Tube... got like 45 meters before I have to get ready for work.
sdrawkcabgnipytmi 1 year ago 11
nerdy, but very funny :)
Olsonic 1 year ago 2
...not that important..........trivial joke here..the virus one was better
vict0r1ous 1 year ago
In Star Wars hes talking about hyper speed. Considering a hyper drive folds space/time like a warp-drive, it would probably be more appropriate to brag about the distance traveled, relative to the ship, as oppose to the time it took to travel a distance. This is because light speed is a constant, everyone would know how 'fast' it can go, but not how 'short' the fold in space/time would make said journey to the occupants.
y9dnkbe 1 year ago 3
You have to remember though, Star Wars isn't science fiction,it's science fantasy so scientific accuracy isn't overly important.
The scene he talks of though is really bad grammar, people can say it's only fiction or whatever but people wouldn't except such an excuse if you said "I'm eight metres late for work", 'cause it makes no sense.
Experiment47 1 year ago
This is what happens to your voice if you never get laid. Your balls rise back up again and your voice turns into Michael Jackson give or take.
ronrutherford 1 year ago
there's a reason why it's called 'fiction' dickhead.
gravisan 1 year ago
@gravisan There's a reason why it is called "Suspension of Disbelief". The entire basis of Suspension of Disbelief is that one can overlook the differences between a fiction world and their own if all the parts fall into a similar realm of believability.
Han Solo's blaster rifle doesn't shoot angry puppies, for the simple fact that its so unbelievable that you'd have lost your audience.
kiyoskedante 1 year ago
What people don't know is that the Kessel Run is located in a cluster of black holes known as the Maw. Looking at them from a distance is like looking at rows and rows of gigantic teeth. What Solo did was get really close to those black holes, closer than most people do because of the ship's legendary speed, shortening the distance and making it back alive to brag about it.
mletournea 1 year ago 2
That's not even bad science. It's bad grammar. But now I've got a hankering to watch A New Hope.
jbourget32 1 year ago
I liked this, I would pay to see 60 standard time parts of this guys stand up.
ninboy01 1 year ago 118
@ninboy01 That's nothing, I would pay 60 standard time parts to see this guys stand up.
poisonousfly 4 months ago 2
wtf is this guy
jakeman121acdc 1 year ago
Science Comedian? LOL!
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago 48
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stopped watching at 0:16
1.annoying nerd voice
2.no, its science FICTION, it doesn't have to be %100 accurate, half the things in science fiction don't exist.
3.Nerd is happy that other nerds think he is the nerd king.
PinkBunnyCorporation 1 year ago
@PinkBunnyCorporation What is ironic is...he looks a lot like George Lucas.
lipoicacid 1 year ago
@PinkBunnyCorporation I think you kinda missed the point of the entire video
RegnumIrae1 1 year ago 4
I'm sick of the parsec example. I'm sure Lucas screwed up (though not as bad as he'd go back & screw it up later), but I can easily imagine a scenario where finding a shorter physical distance through the Run would be important. It's like finding a shorter passage around Africa by digging a canal or a shorter plane route by using great circles. Maybe the Run was full of gravity wells and Han found a way to cut closer to them without being ripped apart, thus making the run in less distance.
NekoMouser 1 year ago
I thought it was that the Kessel run took a ship in close proximity to a Black Hole, and the distance meant he was able to evade the gravitation force at a distance of 12 Parsecs, implying it was a powerful engine.
Lankist 1 year ago
This guy is a jackass. Every decent star wars fan knows that Solo was bragging about coming up with a faster route (getting there covering less distance) not getting there faster.
jedimastercreech 1 year ago
@jedimastercreech Not necessarily. Couldn't it be that Solo was making a joke - that the Kessel Run is less than twelve parsecs long? In that case, it would sound incredibly impressive while really being a statement of common fact.
Rosebloom12 1 year ago
@Rosebloom12 nah, if it can make sense, why not?
you can misunderstand any kind of sentence.
lusteraliaszero 1 year ago
@lusteraliaszero Is that a criticism, a suggestion, or a concurrence (or something else altogether)? I can't tell what you're trying to say, or whether you're reinterpreting what I said, or defending jedimastercreech, whom I know I wasn't attacking. (Nor am I attacking you. I simply can't tell what you're getting at.)
Rosebloom12 1 year ago
@Rosebloom12 I'm trying to say that i find jedimastercreech's explanation to be the simplest rational explanation, so why not go with it.
not trying to attack you either man.
lusteraliaszero 1 year ago
@lusteraliaszero Oh! That makes perfectly good sense. Thank you for explaining.
Rosebloom12 1 year ago
@Rosebloom12 no problem at all.
lusteraliaszero 1 year ago
@jedimastercreech
I'm just sick of people picking on the potential scientific error in Star Wars when movies like "The Core" and "Sunshine" and "2012" and "Armageddon" and "Battlefield Earth" out there. I mean, a potential misuse of a single astronomical term versus a ship of unobtanium drilling trough giant diamonds and restarting the earth's core with a nuke or an alien race that conquered Earth in 15 minutes 10,000 years ago and yet still haven't figured out how to go up into the mountains.
NekoMouser 1 year ago
I bet you dont even know who trained yoda!
twitchey93 1 year ago
And you call yourself a star wars fan!
twitchey93 1 year ago
Alright Proffesser im gonna break this down for you the reason he said that he did it in less than 12 parsects. You see they were travaling through a space called " The Maw" You see the maw is a section of space cursed with lots of gravity wells and small blackholes. Han solo hit one of these and was sent through a microjump through time and space. Chewbacca told him he was crazy Read "The hutt gambit" And read "Rebel Dawn" At the end of the book is where he actually does the kessel run BOOM!!!
twitchey93 1 year ago
science comedian. what a professional
thomasalright 1 year ago
Oh, THAT kind of bad science. I thought you were going to complain about the possibility of traveling faster than light and fixed-length laser weapons. Yeah, I agree with you. It's the same as saying lightyears is a measurement of time.
IamMeHere2See 1 year ago
yeah, I know what you mean, I noticed this myself when I was in highschool.
it is one thing if there is a reason for breaking the rule, I also had a problem with a 10 ton robot transforming into a 1 ton car.
the funniest thing is the startrek phaser array, the deestructive energy coalescs into one point then shoots... an array allows you to focus multiple shots in the same spot so you can hit the enemy with more energy than any materials can handle (incl what the weapon is made of)
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
"Science Comedian" is perhaps the most nonsensical Title a human being could have.
Except maybe "Philosophical Janitor" or "Existential Ketchup Taster"
GrizzlerBorno 1 year ago
Holy cow guys, just let him rant...I thought it was funny
majicstargirl 1 year ago 4
why do people always assume that Han was rtalking about time rather than distance when referring to the 12 parsecs thing? for all we know there could have been barriers that made the distance greater and Han found a way around them in a shorter distance.
I propose this to illustrate how close minded most "scientist" actually are in this world and how they cannot think a problem through entirely. They have one solution and IT MUST BE RIGHT.
jamesjdm 1 year ago
@jamesjdm i think the kessel run had something to do with a black hole, and it was something about like how close you could get to it without fucking up and dying
mangaman6969 1 year ago
@jamesjdm That is becouse Han says that his ship is fast. It is so fast that it can do that run in less than 12 parsecs.
EipouInfo 1 year ago
There is one reason he is wrong here. if he would if doesn't his research he would find out that the run is a series of black holes that u have to slingshot yourself around. when Han says it made it in 12 parsecs it means that we was able to slingshot himself around the black-holes is the shortest distance possible.
firesflame221 1 year ago
"hahahah funny" NERD O_O i dont understand what you are saying geek
overcast211 1 year ago
oh.......my.......god...... what is this?
michael12533 1 year ago
When physicist get dreams of comedy, we all lose.
TheTruth006 1 year ago 4
I guess his mom likes his jokes...
dujkabeerlover 1 year ago
Uh no, get over it geek. Seriously, this guy must cry himself to sleep at night knowing that he's such a waste of lfie by over analyzing and disputing with/about a FICTIONAL movie. Star Wars wasn't made to teach physics and disputing it with an argument makes you THAT much more of an idiot. Seriously what a NERD.
theaznfishy 1 year ago
I always thought starwars was lame anyway.
falcoperegrinus82 1 year ago
Okay first of all asshole, if you knew anything you would know that the Kessel Run is an 18 parsec route. This means that The Millennium Falcon is such an agile ship and Han Solo is such a badass that he can actually decrease the distance between the beginning and the end of the run by increasing the geometrical efficiency of the route by taking more dangerous routes within the Kessel Run itself. So fuck you buddy.
Pjhammer1 1 year ago 5
@Pjhammer1 ya know im pretty sure that if you watch this again you will see that he says that very thing. in fewer words mind you but he says that. and as he says its called RETCON. its what you do when you realize that you fucked up and then make up a reason to make it look like you didnt. writers do it alll the time.
MaNiAcaLunchBox 1 year ago 3
@Pjhammer1 wow!
Simm2Dimm 1 year ago
I love star wars. I've always loved it and always will. But arguing about the parsecs thing is the biggest waste of brain cells ever. GET OVER IT. It's a story about a young boy overthrowing an empire. Not about science.
jadedtwin 1 year ago 2
Everything about Star Wars is bad science. Using the force or "telekinesis/telepathy", light speed, light sabers, Greedo shooting first, it's all a scientific joke. Way funnier than a lame parsecs joke that no one cares about.
Natedawg422 1 year ago
@Natedawg422 You really don't get it? Star Wars is grounded in fantasy. And the fact that Han Solo shot first has nothing to do with science. Though the parsecs thing is science, and a blunder.
sinbysin666 1 year ago 4
"Star Wars" can be forgiven for bad science, it is science fantasy after all.
But "Star Trek" cannot: it actually claims to be scientifically correct when it's anything but!
MoltenPlastic 1 year ago 3
he reminds me of leonard hofstadter from the big bang theory
keliand 1 year ago
I love star wars...hate the science.
devilsadvocate22289 1 year ago
Starwars is for children.
PikPobedy 1 year ago
lol ;)
lfcscouser2010 1 year ago
Well, here is a way to rationalize "time parts..."
The Empire is a bureaucracy. The Star Wars story is about the evils of empire, and how they must collapse. It makes sense that a massive govt bureaucracy would come up with a bland, lame, standard name for time.
Star Wars is fundamentally libertarian.
One of the main heroes is a smuggler!
Padmé: "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause."
freesk8 1 year ago
OK, the kessel run is like along a black hole. so the faster you're going, the closer you can get to it without being sucked in. so he was going fast enough to get within 12 parsecs of the black hole without being sucked in and utterly destroyed.
JestersHacksaw 1 year ago
this guy is very entertaining. i wanna sit next to him at a dinner party.
WikeddTung 1 year ago 3
lol
esplin227 1 year ago 3
I thought the "Kessel run" was supposed to bew impressive as it's surrounded by 3 black holes and they had to do some crazy navigating to get through but Han had a bet with Lando and went straight instead. Or something like that anyhow....I read it in one some Star Wars book years ago. But hey, maybe the real reason was to keep us focused on parsecs so we didn't express how utterly abysmal the prequels are.
killalmostwise 1 year ago
That video was such a waste of parsecs.... er, standard life-time-parts.
13otany13ay 1 year ago
hahahaha I love this rant :) hahahahahaha
GulSalve 1 year ago 3
lol That's pretty damn funny. I watch regular movies and notice the scientific inaccuracies lol
emilykbisignano 1 year ago 2
Another explanation I've heard is that Han actually didn't know what a parsec was and was trying to sound impressive.
MatthiasVargas 1 year ago 3
@MatthiasVargas
this is a far more valid explanation than the BS people have made up about black holes. I love his word for the coverup of this mistake "retcon" applying a patch to a riped pair of pants does not mean the pants were not ripped.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago 3
People who complain about bad science in movies typically do not understand story telling and lack imagination and the ability to contribute to a genre.
punjab6856 1 year ago
@punjab6856
No they just happen to know their science. Or ask questions about the world such as in avatar I asked "why the hell are those mountains floating?" these are legitimate gripes for instance if i were to say that a character made a bomb using nothing but tape a cardboard box and 3 different alcaholic beverages mixed together and it exploded like a bazooka I would be laughed at. only reason h-wood gets away with it is "its a movie suspend disbelief" i could do that if it was BELIEVABLE!
kuroyama1 1 year ago
@punjab6856
funny, because I thought continuety, accuracy and proper word usage were attributes of good stroy telling.
what is next? writing books in textscrit?
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
How in the world did you get on Fora for this bit?
Hurley1340 1 year ago
the idea of bad science is folly. To whine about bad science outside of the medical feild or pharmacology it a total waste of time. Get over it
anthonyww713 1 year ago
It's great to see that people focus on the important stuff in life.
claytongault 1 year ago
He does not really think that parsecs was the biggest mistake did he ? What about the sound from explosions in space or the lasers through space?
There is no sound in space and light has nothing to bounce off in space so it wouldn't be visible.
gijs370 1 year ago 2
get over it geek, it's just a movie (sorry, it had to be said)
eyallev 1 year ago
I was thinking they should have made a star wars porn by now.
"Bar Whores" "A new Poke"
A long long time ago and a dive bar not so far away.......
Starring...
Duke Pieschlonger
Hand Solo
Princess Lay ya
Rump-pacca
and R2-DoU with C-PeeOnU
americanbandwidth 1 year ago
I thought when Han Solo said parsecs, that Han Solo was just being stupid, because Luke and Obi-Wan looked at each other as if Han Solo was retarded, so I thought it was a joke...
Ronimations 1 year ago
@Ronimations that was the intention, that he was making shit up, bragging away, and obiwan knew and was down with it, look at the way alec guiness responds to the remark about parsecs etc
Tryambakam 1 year ago
Sometimes when appreciating art you have to let go of reality as long as you remember it's just fiction, then that's fine. The song 'Final Countdown' has that mistake, when it is sung 'so many light years away' when they are heading for Venus. Of course Venus is'nt even a minute fraction of a light year away... but it's forgiven because of artistic licence. And well, it's a great song.
Ep1cure 1 year ago
Actually, if you want to get REALLY nerdy about it...The Kessel Run is measured in distance because pilots who navigate that area have to maneuver around several black holes, causing them to travel far out of their way on detours. The shorter the distance it took you to navigate the area the closer you must have been to the black holes. It's probably a retcon, but there is an explanation of it out there :)
RexT42 1 year ago 2
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DarthSchwartz 1 year ago
@DarthSchwartz
and proud of it.
TAPriceCTR 1 year ago
hahaha
7eeeeeees 1 year ago
this guy was the reason geeks and nerds became sterotypes... thats not a bad thing. im just saying...
petrino 1 year ago
Why would someone get mad about bad science in science fiction film, do they not see the FICTION part in the word?
TitenSxull 1 year ago
@TitenSxull Because getting things right is an important part of the SCIENCE part of the PHRASE.
DaithiDublin 1 year ago
@TitenSxull The SCIENCE part comes first. It is natural to suspect that the FICTION section is, therefore, inferior.
You could easily reverse your argument and be left with an equally useless outcome.
Perhaps calling star-freakin-wars a fairy tale rip-off does the franchise a whole lot more justice whilst leaving proper science, fiction and science fiction alone.
retepvosnul 1 year ago
@retepvosnul But that's not how it works, science is modifying the word fiction so fiction is the part that comes first. First and foremost every work of science fiction is a work of fiction, the only difference is that something science and technology related must be involved, that doesn't mean the science has to be right. Star Wars is Sci-Fi Fantasy anyway, its not pure sci-fi, the genre lines do get blurred from time to time
TitenSxull 1 year ago
@TitenSxull I do not really care enough to take this to the next level. What it boils in the end is that Starwars is a pitiful badly written, mostly plagiarized, horrid fairytale story with more plot holes then a Swiss cheese. And arguing at any level about it's content is the equivalent of attempting to read the future in cow manure.
retepvosnul 1 year ago
The kessel run is a smugglers route through space which has quite a large number of black holes, if you were to give the black holes quite a wide birth the distance would be around 25 parsecs, han boasting that he can make it in less than 12 means he can fly very close to the black holes thus taking the quickest route and not get sucked in...why? because his ship is so fast..i love comedy but come on man if your going to mock a film at least understand the back story and mythology.
sabotkick 1 year ago
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sabotkick 1 year ago
Newsflash, people: Star Wars is fantasy.
It's a fantasy story dressed up to look like science fiction. It's not science fiction.
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
starwars should have been titled gaymovie
WavesOfTrolls 1 year ago
George Lucas can't write? STOP THE PRESSES!! 2:58
TheInflicted 1 year ago
Did you never considered that the efficiency of the Kessel Run could be based on the distance you have to cover for the trip? Like saying you made it from point x to point y in 15 miles rather then the standard 20 mile route. It might be a retcon but it works.
Arikiel 1 year ago
@Arikiel No because then he would have said that he went x distance in the kessel run.
kurtzinater813 1 year ago
No one EVER said that George Lucas was a decent writer.
katey1dog 1 year ago 2
The 12 Parsec distance is in reference to "space-bending" 12 is the length of the "chord" through hyperspace.
guitarbeast777 1 year ago
Looks like a fun lecture!
sterlingman 1 year ago
Good talk, but his argument relies on a fundamental assumption which appears to be unjustified: he assumes the Kessel Run is a race (maybe that is stated somewhere in the books, but it's not stated in the movie). The Kessel Run could just as easily be a route-plotting competition, and Han was just bragging about the high efficiency of the Millennium Falcon's navigation systems--sort of like a mountaineer bragging about having found the shortest path up Mount Everest.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Get over it geek - it's just a movie!
infantileretard 1 year ago
@infantileretard I haven't watched a Star Wars movie in probably close to a decade. Trust me, I'm over it. What I'm not 'over' is people zealously criticizing bad science in movies by employing bad logic. Logic is the foundation of science--I can't be the only one who appreciates the irony here.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias 1:07
infantileretard 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Uhhh I fail..it's more like 1:05 lol
infantileretard 1 year ago
@infantileretard Keep up the good work infantileretard, you certainly live up to your name.
CognitiveImbias 1 year ago
@CognitiveImbias Ok, geek.
infantileretard 1 year ago
I'm hoping this guy is talking "tongue in cheek" but he's pretty shamelessly trying to capitalize on Lucas & "Star Wars" trying to grab his 15 minutes.
So what? Duhh???
goog2k 1 year ago
If only you little freaks had rewarded Lucas for THX1138, the way you did for his Sat Matinee cliffhanger plunge up his creative asshole.
The retro flicks of Lucas and Spielberg fit the pre-video days of midnight movies and the nostalgia craze, but their pre-eminence now is an embarrassment.
Lucas even pokes a bit of fun at Flash Gordon at the opening of THX.
A little like Hendrix saying, "You'll never hear Surf Music again..." on 3rd Stone...
What a waste
PRIVATEAYEIEYE 1 year ago
this guy is a bit annoying
bostonbball11 1 year ago
i get pissed with inaccurate history like in braveheart during the battle of stirling bridge.. the movie had no bridge in it....
Th3Wab3 1 year ago
In a galaxy far far away a parsec is a unit of time parts. lol
anubis2814 1 year ago 2
How many people do you think read and heard that line about parsec while the movie was being made and just presumed that Lucas was right and they shouldnt say anything to him.
SpacedTime 1 year ago
It's not really that he "compressed the space into less than 12 parsecs". It has to do with the fact that the Kessel Run, in Star Wars lore, is a route often used by smugglers that arcs dangerously close around (I forget if it was a black hole or a massive star or something like that), and the point is that a faster, more powerful ship can move CLOSER to the blackhole/star without being pulled into it's gravity well and trapped.
Traveling closer to the star makes the route straighter -> shorter
CharBroiled04 1 year ago
@CharBroiled04
Now whether or not this was retcon... I have no idea. I'll take the speaker's word for it. But still, my nerdiness combined with my obsessive compulsiveness and forced me to explain it's not a "space compression" thing (actually Star Trek explains that their "Warp Speed" does have to do with compressing and moving space around the ship... but that's a completely different universe), it's a pathing thing.
CharBroiled04 1 year ago