谢谢台湾的朋友给予大陆民主的应援,这部影片我也是笑着开始看,哭着看完的,最后的歌曲the bell of freedom让我想起了V字仇杀队里最后的一幕,全伦敦的人都走上街头,反抗暴政和专制 we"ll make you do what you gonna do。。听到这一句我又哭了。别说民主化几百年的那些国家了,就算是我们大陆人很不屑的俄罗斯。他们在1988年的冬天就复刻过电影里的桥段,全民走上莫斯科的街头,只为把暴君斯大林的停尸房从红场上清除。
Authors might not all have such a political pursuance. But it's truth that all these shits happened because there's no democracy, even your fundamental human rights and freedoms are unsecurited, how could you protect other rights? Such as WoW
It's pathethic that there are Chinese silly as you do. Someday you will realize that why there are so many people in this planet fight for freedoms and human rights with their life. hopefully you will know what to do.
By saying this you just demonstrate that you are the real naive one. You are exactly like one of those who believe Bush went to Iraq to fight for freedom, or that th protest in Xinqiang and Tibet was for human rights. Wake up and be realistic.
I believe the Killing in June 4th, 1989 at Tiananmen was a crime and judgement day is coming. I believe what Zhaoziyang said about any kind of reform cannot be done without political reform. And massive corruption will continue. Look at WoWChina, Chinese Soccer, Sanlu, fucking retarded shits all over the country. People demands Democracy.
If you are refering people's rights and freedoms are useless stuff. Then you must be brain washed. This war will never end. It's beyond internet addiction. We will never give up. And idea of democracy will spread through internet. We will have justice.
No, I was born in 1988. And I have been through alot things that you have not,yet. I'm free to play WoW at here. You spoke as you have no mercy for armless people. You spoke as you have no pitty for human lives And you spoke as you agreed with killer and justice has never existed in your brain. You disgraced people who died for your rights, freedom and China's future.
The problem is not whether if one of us will stand up, it is that you think you are fighting for the benefit of the Chinese people, but in fact you are wasting your time, because you approach you goal using the wrong method.
Your people? You mean Canadians? If you really concern about Chinese people, just go back to China and make contributions to the country. Although the political area in China is somewhat restricted, the commercial area is really a good stage for brilliant people. So, go and change the condition by your hard work, not merely word.
No matter what Chinese Government do, massive corruption will never end. All I CARE is that how much blood those party officers suck from Chinese people. My merely words are the idea of free will. And I will spread them to more Chinese people. One day, when they really woke up, they will accomplish things I can't finish myself even with 10millions years. By coming to Canada, I did it for my own kids and their kids. By saying all these to you, I do it for your kids.
let me guess. You came to Canada early, and all your education is completed in the western world. You have seen picture of the tank man in your textbook. You believe he is a hero. You teacher tells you that the June 4th event was a massacre by the communist. You believe that all Chinese people support the protest, and you believe the current Chinese government is illegitimate because they do not respect democracy and should be removed from power. Am I right?
I was 18 when I first came to this country. And I was well graded in my social science classes in Chinese high school. I have my own Communistic dream. But I have seen more than just picture about how CCP has been corrupted, the June 4th just one of them. As a country, China must always have a government. But it doesnt has to always be CCP. Judging me doesnt change the truth I had been saying. And I apologize if my point wasnt clear enough.
I think most Chinese know about freedom. Thus, it is not necessary for you to spread concept of freedom. But the elites in China need to make a choice between democratic system and socialism. I think socialism was better in last 30 years for Chinese economic development and may be better for the next 20 years. I believe in the future, China will become a powerful country, no matter the government system is like USA or Singapore. But now, the socialism is more proper for China.
Socialism is a social and economic system. Democracy is a political system. They are incomparable. A socialistic country can ALSO have a democratic system. You mixed them up. Chinese economic development is imbalanced. Increasing income gap is unaffordable to a socialistic country. And WITHOUT a democratic system, massive corruptions will spread as fast as economy growing, most of people will never get benefit out of it.
Most of Chinese people who lives in mainland China and can not read english wouldnt get on Youtube. And by mixing up political system with social and economic system, you are still confused and NEED to study more about your own country.
很遗憾,中国的现状让我在未成年之前就看破了。It's no longer my business since I chose Canada as my identity. I'm here saying the truth, I can wish you people good luck, but you are the only one who can help yourself.
的确 这是一场迎来变革的战争 虽然现在是局部战争 但我相信会有更多志同道合的有识之士会加入我们 发动一场为了自由的全面战争
knallheart096 19 hours ago
每次看最后这一段的时候都特别难过。。。。。
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谢谢台湾的朋友给予大陆民主的应援,这部影片我也是笑着开始看,哭着看完的,最后的歌曲the bell of freedom让我想起了V字仇杀队里最后的一幕,全伦敦的人都走上街头,反抗暴政和专制 we"ll make you do what you gonna do。。听到这一句我又哭了。别说民主化几百年的那些国家了,就算是我们大陆人很不屑的俄罗斯。他们在1988年的冬天就复刻过电影里的桥段,全民走上莫斯科的街头,只为把暴君斯大林的停尸房从红场上清除。
wasurebachi 2 months ago
很感人
striferoth 9 months ago
heart of courage....看了无数遍了, 一年之后再看又有新感触, 拍的太好了
xukangmin 9 months ago
兩分三十秒之後那一段音樂是哪首?
e23456789086 9 months ago
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kendarkfire 9 months ago
@e23456789086 Two Steps From Hell-Heart Of Courage(Choir)
kendarkfire 9 months ago 2
@kendarkfire THANKS!!!
e23456789086 9 months ago
兩分三十秒那邊音樂叫甚麼名子壓?
e23456789086 9 months ago
看看突尼斯,看看茉莉花革命
vSinbad 1 year ago
民主?拜托了,你们明不明白共和国的概念? 民主投票呀!大陆叫自己就叫共和国啊!真正民主了估计也跟没什么区别。终究会有人站在顶点欺压别人,因为人人都这么认为 。
little0flynn 1 year ago
顶~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
st062693 1 year ago
还是要在acfun上看着才带感啊!举手时的弹幕让人泪流满面
wang2hua 1 year ago
历史上还没有一个共产主义政权是通过民运的方式倒台的
我支持现在的共产党政权,也同意民主法制,我只是觉得这个政府并非无可救药。
喜欢这个视频,很有才
changsha 1 year ago
最後一段,,,很表達年青 人的時思
boris5354 1 year ago
音樂搭得真棒!!
NaCltw 1 year ago 3
大多数国人都在等,可民主和自由不是等来的。
我们应该为之奋斗
orange19938 1 year ago
願 自由低鳴的鐘聲 喚醒沉默的心靈 成為前進的力量 加油 你我都尚在征途上
chaohuitw 1 year ago
其实大家放心好了,不是不报只是时候未到,中国已经处于非常不稳定的状态了只是这股暗流被那些共匪用各种手法掩盖起来。现在这股力量还在不断积蓄,最近不断的杀童案就是一个表现。其实中国只需要一场日本当年的经济大萧条,中国就会有新革命。关键只是这场革命是暴力还是非暴力的
a531000954 1 year ago
@a531000954 个人觉得革命风险好大,暴力是不可能了,非暴力的话还是有希望。不过中国自认比苏联牛逼多少?我只想知道革命派有没有想过,如果革命,中国那么巨大的国有资产怎么办?怎么防止垄断行业从官僚手中被外资抢去,让他们分给中国人只是做梦的想法。怎么处理几千万共产党员,由哪个比共产党有经验的群体出来组织大局?这些问题能解决,我就反对改革而支持革命
liusiyao 1 year ago
看得我内牛满面!很佩服制作团队,中国因为有刘晓波,周正虎这些人所以我们还能看到希望!
cjq3320044 1 year ago
Across the Great Wall, we can see every corner in the world!!!
yihengzhao 1 year ago
深刻感觉自己的无力,身在囚笼,看着铁栅之外模糊的景色,我该怎么办?
Archy543 1 year ago
不管人民的素质怎么样,人民素质低也不是专制的借口。素质低的人民如果占多数,国家的决定是怎么样的也该由这些素质低的人民来决定。因为国家做出的决定代表的是人民,人民是怎么样的,国家就是怎么样的。而且你们想想,真正导致人民素质低的根源是什么?
Kissymace 1 year ago
支持制作团队,辛苦了
KZ421 1 year ago
本集最后的意思是说;丁散石=网易,在来一个小萌和小板。
最后还是小萌和小板拿起了武器对丁散石?
最后谁赢了?
year1206 1 year ago
那些支持精英专制的人,我只想说,如果你能给自己找到一个理由不去支持民主,那么民主永远都不会实现。那些批评台湾民主的人,麻烦你们去台湾看看,去亲身感受一下对岸"水深火热"的生活,不知道这样能不能改变你的看法
xxxyyy3600 1 year ago
轰轰烈烈的六四事件都失败了,这些玩不到游戏发发牢骚的人能起到什么作用?也许只有民怨积攒到一定程度,人民开始造反的时候,才能真正实现民主吧。注意,是人民,不是学生,也不是玩家。我不否认中国有可能能复刻台湾民主的实现方式,但是现在看来,这种可能性越来越微小。
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共产党对于言论自由的恐惧是根深蒂固的和不可逆转的。那些叫嚣着精英统治适合现在中国的人,我相信你们不是5毛,但是你们被蒙蔽了,被爱党爱国家这些虚幻的东西蒙蔽了。你们批评台湾的民主,你们有去台湾看过吗?民主这个东西,只要你给自己一个理由不去争取,那你就永远也得不到。
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xxxyyy3600 1 year ago
从六四事件以后,期望共产党能够自己实现民主自由的人可以歇歇了。那些觉得中国在日益变好的人,同样是被愚民了。网瘾战争这样视频的流传并不代表任何言论开放的趋势。那些在中国大陆的人,我想问问在你身边的朋友,有多少人知道刘晓波?有多少人知道零八宪章?
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year1206 1 year ago
再游戏里不管写多少意见和发表不满,都会被管理员强行删除,完全没有任何发言权.所以渐渐一一放弃国内游戏,开始转向玩国外服务器的游戏,可悲啊阿.
year1206 1 year ago
搞不明白,很多其实很客观公正的评论都被打成了五毛、..很多极端的评论却被搞搞捧起。实在是不明白,不过我还是愿意顶着天天被骂的压力继续为我的祖国为我的人民说话。如果我们不说,还指望有谁帮我们说~·
winsenXR 1 year ago
任何一个思想的开始都不免有些过激,但是这是自然的。
不过请分清楚,爱国和爱党不一样。现在把中国政治搞成这样的是一个党
我们说实话,我们愤怒,根源正是在一个我们爱的家乡,不受到尊重。
一个外人看不起你,你也许会大度地一笑了之。但如果你家里的管家看不起你,管你这个,管你那个。你作何反应?
Kissymace 1 year ago
@winsenXR 自己帮自己说话。爱国爱家不要爱天朝!
cjq3320044 1 year ago
愚民者 民必反之
ergou222 1 year ago
感谢说出玩家心声。在这样的国家背景下,谢谢你们。
gwl88737686 1 year ago
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ericzhu4 1 year ago
太棒了!这是我翻墙出来第一个评论。
祝愿好!
kunpeng512 2 years ago
前面的4集没有看太懂,大概因为我不玩游戏的原因, 但是5和6很感动! 谢谢你们!
ruofan1982 2 years ago 2
what the hell
Goujian0724 2 years ago
我举手了,虽然不玩wow。
beifeng1990 2 years ago
好感动啊。。。虽然已经afk一年多。。。但回想起游戏中的友情不禁感慨万千。。。向本片的制作者们致敬!自由万岁!
RoastedDango 2 years ago
看了好感動
大陸玩家加油
總有一天你們會得到你們努力捍衛這個精神家園的成果
andy414x 2 years ago 3
Let's ring the bells of freedom
5960243 2 years ago
这段台词听了10遍以上了
liusiyao 2 years ago
确实感动啊~ 边看边哭 虽然 我刚刚接触wow 但是还是很感动~
LouiseHuang 2 years ago
这种情况不会一直这么进行下去的
wangbo0176 2 years ago
面对政府,网民是如此渺小。今天你们所做的一切会被历史记住,但这无力的挣扎与反抗不会带来任何的改变,因为这就是中国。作为一个身在异乡的中国人,我觉得是我是最有发言权的人。今天中国面临着太多的问题有待解决,民主不能救中国的原因就在于我们的文化与历史决定了今天的中国要走的道路。
wuhao158 2 years ago 5
邊看邊掉淚 就連評論也邊看邊哽咽...這真是多少人發自內心真正的吶喊 對岸的玩家們 一年多來你們辛苦了!
願自由的風早日吹拂在神州大地 願你們早日奪回你們所應得的魔獸世界!
sunboy1989 2 years ago 20
虽然不玩魔兽,但是也有过相似经历......
milovsky78 2 years ago 5
有些事实,我们只能以这种方式呈现,
有些心情我们也只能用这种方式来表达
但是!
岂能因为声音微弱而不呐喊!
岂能因为身份卑微而不忧国!
kissnielva 2 years ago 3
That's right.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
听说杨叫兽的诊所现在还开着,现实版的《飞越疯人院》天天还在上演
honyi97 2 years ago
哎呀,我就说那电击治疗似曾相识,原来是曾经看过的《飞越疯人院》~
hxmei0113 2 years ago
确实对国内网络封锁很不爽。政治方面你封封就行了,反正也没人对那感兴趣。可是娱乐方面也封,吃饱了饭撑了啊????
不过台湾的朋友你们也必要把这个视频理解成要人权自由,还没到那程度~
powerovergamec 2 years ago
Authors might not all have such a political pursuance. But it's truth that all these shits happened because there's no democracy, even your fundamental human rights and freedoms are unsecurited, how could you protect other rights? Such as WoW
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
I wouldn't want to go ask far and changing the entire political ideology, but there are things that the government just needs to back off.
powerovergamec 2 years ago
No offence, but please stop being naive. With WHAT we can make this happen, desperated voices means nothing to bullet.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
It's good that not every Chinese think the way you do...
powerovergamec 2 years ago
It's pathethic that there are Chinese silly as you do. Someday you will realize that why there are so many people in this planet fight for freedoms and human rights with their life. hopefully you will know what to do.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
By saying this you just demonstrate that you are the real naive one. You are exactly like one of those who believe Bush went to Iraq to fight for freedom, or that th protest in Xinqiang and Tibet was for human rights. Wake up and be realistic.
powerovergamec 2 years ago
I believe the Killing in June 4th, 1989 at Tiananmen was a crime and judgement day is coming. I believe what Zhaoziyang said about any kind of reform cannot be done without political reform. And massive corruption will continue. Look at WoWChina, Chinese Soccer, Sanlu, fucking retarded shits all over the country. People demands Democracy.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
you just prove my point. Have fun wasting your time believing and hoping for useless stuff:)
powerovergamec 2 years ago
If you are refering people's rights and freedoms are useless stuff. Then you must be brain washed. This war will never end. It's beyond internet addiction. We will never give up. And idea of democracy will spread through internet. We will have justice.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
Nuh I do believe it is important. It's just the way you approach it kind of naive ~
powerovergamec 2 years ago
别提89,提了就让人恶。呼吁年轻学生去流血牺牲,自己跑路来美国。believe个屁,你早就拿到89难民绿卡了吧你?
1maj1c 2 years ago 4
@1maj1c thx
powerovergamec 2 years ago
No, I was born in 1988. And I have been through alot things that you have not,yet. I'm free to play WoW at here. You spoke as you have no mercy for armless people. You spoke as you have no pitty for human lives And you spoke as you agreed with killer and justice has never existed in your brain. You disgraced people who died for your rights, freedom and China's future.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
你就继续骗吧
good luck
1maj1c 2 years ago
The wolrd knows it that I'm saying the truth, and most of Chinese who still live in mainland China dare not to speak about it.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
88年出生的就出来装逼了,真不知深浅
powerovergamec 2 years ago
I will stand up for my people no matter how old I am. Will you? Or can you?
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
The problem is not whether if one of us will stand up, it is that you think you are fighting for the benefit of the Chinese people, but in fact you are wasting your time, because you approach you goal using the wrong method.
powerovergamec 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
Your people? You mean Canadians? If you really concern about Chinese people, just go back to China and make contributions to the country. Although the political area in China is somewhat restricted, the commercial area is really a good stage for brilliant people. So, go and change the condition by your hard work, not merely word.
liusiyao 2 years ago
Money+Power=Corruption
No matter what Chinese Government do, massive corruption will never end. All I CARE is that how much blood those party officers suck from Chinese people. My merely words are the idea of free will. And I will spread them to more Chinese people. One day, when they really woke up, they will accomplish things I can't finish myself even with 10millions years. By coming to Canada, I did it for my own kids and their kids. By saying all these to you, I do it for your kids.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
let me guess. You came to Canada early, and all your education is completed in the western world. You have seen picture of the tank man in your textbook. You believe he is a hero. You teacher tells you that the June 4th event was a massacre by the communist. You believe that all Chinese people support the protest, and you believe the current Chinese government is illegitimate because they do not respect democracy and should be removed from power. Am I right?
powerovergamec 2 years ago
I was 18 when I first came to this country. And I was well graded in my social science classes in Chinese high school. I have my own Communistic dream. But I have seen more than just picture about how CCP has been corrupted, the June 4th just one of them. As a country, China must always have a government. But it doesnt has to always be CCP. Judging me doesnt change the truth I had been saying. And I apologize if my point wasnt clear enough.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
I think most Chinese know about freedom. Thus, it is not necessary for you to spread concept of freedom. But the elites in China need to make a choice between democratic system and socialism. I think socialism was better in last 30 years for Chinese economic development and may be better for the next 20 years. I believe in the future, China will become a powerful country, no matter the government system is like USA or Singapore. But now, the socialism is more proper for China.
liusiyao 2 years ago
Socialism is a social and economic system. Democracy is a political system. They are incomparable. A socialistic country can ALSO have a democratic system. You mixed them up. Chinese economic development is imbalanced. Increasing income gap is unaffordable to a socialistic country. And WITHOUT a democratic system, massive corruptions will spread as fast as economy growing, most of people will never get benefit out of it.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
In addition, if you want to spread your ideas to Chinese people, 你最好学会用中文,因为在中国能看得懂英文的人基本上不需要你来传播民主思想
liusiyao 2 years ago 2
Most of Chinese people who lives in mainland China and can not read english wouldnt get on Youtube. And by mixing up political system with social and economic system, you are still confused and NEED to study more about your own country.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
晕,原来你会中文啊,那就没那么累了。虽然来美国快一年了,用英语讨论政治孩真不习惯。我没有弄混政经,只是当时想说专制和民主,却觉得despotism这个词有点贬义,就没敢乱用。民主和专制的目的都是提高人民生活水平。什么人权、自由这些都是虚的东西,这点中国人应该都知道。
liusiyao 2 years ago
中国千年的封建专制历史已经证明,独裁统治无法长久,注定是要被人民推翻的。独裁政权是有先天缺陷的。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
我个人赞成专制,因为专制虽然不顾人权,但是能保证中国高效发展。中国目前就是通过专制维稳,为只占少数的先进阶级营造良好的发展环境,最终通过先进阶级拉动占大部分的落后阶级。只是现在国内两极分化越来越严重,需要时间调整。关于贪污,中国这样的人均GDP就决定了有贪污。且这主要是法制问题,不是政体问题
liusiyao 2 years ago
wtf, error on page. i cant reply.
Goujian0724 2 years ago
我的回复出现错误,似乎不能用中文回复。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
o,也许是回复太长的关系吧
Goujian0724 2 years ago
政治体制是问题的根源。行政,司法,立法不能相互独立,相互制约。导致执政者手中权力过大。法律变成一张废纸。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
司法之所以要独立,就是要以法律约束行政权力。以避免司法公正,社会公平正义被权力所扭曲。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
我贊同你說 司法獨立 ! 但是 我相信就算現今的中國民主化了,可謂要獨立並不是易事!因為以中國人的心態,這事難以做成! 靠就要靠自己!
ericzhu4 1 year ago
天子犯法与庶民同罪只是封建阶级用来愚民的。虽然同罪,可是处罚却不同,那又有什么意义呢?
Goujian0724 2 years ago
所謂的 罪,在古文中就是指 罪罰 罪和罰也是相同的!
你會古文嗎???
ericzhu4 1 year ago
你会现代文吗?
Goujian0724 1 year ago
没有民主,执政者就会拥有无限大的权力,司法也就不能约束行政权力。那又谈何遏止执政者的贪污腐败呢?
Goujian0724 2 years ago
你可以舉一個沒有貪污的國家嗎?
現在中國的貪污已經一天比一天少了!誰被發現貪污誰就被抓!雖然這年代貪污還是多,但是相比以前的確少了!!!
我並不喜歡任何政黨和政派!我只相信my life my rules!
ericzhu4 1 year ago
massive corruptions",请勿断章取义,我评论的不是一个国家,而是一个国家的体制(ur rules).发现的当然会被抓,所谓人为财死,鸟为食亡。你何以断定贪污在减少?腐败只有贪污一项吗?你的结论既无事实上的,也无理论上的支持。你的政治信仰我不感兴趣,只就事论事。
Goujian0724 1 year ago
哪你何以說明贪污在增多呢?
另外,我沒有說腐败只有贪污一项
ericzhu4 1 year ago
我说的贪污腐败是广义的,贪污只是其中一项,不可以仅用贪污一项的标准来衡量。可即便只讲贪污,被掩盖的我们不知道,光只被揭发出来的就已经足以骇人听闻。举例说,三峡移民用的资金本来是可以让涉及三峡建设而要移民的人可以再安置。中央的资金到了地方却被大量地挪用了,也许他们没有直接放进自己的口袋,可是他们肯定有用做变相福利。
Goujian0724 1 year ago
这就是贪污。用本来政府用来赔偿,补偿民众的资金来服务自己,就是贪污。像这样的事情,如果你在大陆生活过,草根过,你才会明白的。
Goujian0724 1 year ago
@ericzhu4 你一定没住在天朝,我发现身边的贪官越来越多了。反贪污成了很多人打击异己的手段,打完了异己,剩下都是自己的党羽,就可以为所欲为了!
cjq3320044 1 year ago
@ericzhu4 我可以举一个,芬兰,在芬兰人家不知道腐败为何物!
cjq3320044 1 year ago
@cjq3320044 请问大哥是怎样翻墙的。。。。。。小的请教了。。。。。
cxismostii 1 year ago
而法律最终会沦为强势者欺压弱势者的工具,堂而皇之地进行剥削和压迫,社会公平正义自然就荡然无存了。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
哪有一個社會是公平正義?
美國嗎?若果美國是,那不就會有"雷曼"這事發生吧!??
每個社會都是不公平不正義,這就是現實,隨非你去了你自己的幻想世界 / 天國吧!?
ericzhu4 1 year ago
我没有说美国,这里也不是在特制某国家。我在讲制度,这个宇宙没有绝对静止的物体,物体的静止是相对的。同样,社会公平也没有绝对,而是相对的。
Goujian0724 1 year ago
@ericzhu4 我们老爱拿现在和一百多年前的西方比说人家这样那样,好意思吗?人家不公平是极少数,我们是多数,人家不公平会知道改,我们呢?你一定是个天朝的既得利益者,这类人最不希望国家有民主的一天!
cjq3320044 1 year ago
贫富悬殊的罪魁祸首是垄断。垄断者不断利用手中不公平的垄断优势圈钱,压榨人民的血液。不打破垄断,贫富悬殊只会不断加剧。即便在民主体制下,要打破垄断也非易事。而专制体制又是垄断滋生的黑土地。这样的情况下要破除垄断缩小贫富差距就如同让物体失去惯性一样是一件完全不可能的事情。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
所谓的师夷长技以制夷为能在100多年前振兴中华,是因为先进的科学技术只是皮毛,而且科学技术是需要不断进步的。而如同科技进步一样,一个国家的长治久安和可持续发展需要一个源动力,那就是一个完善的民主体制。曾几何时中国千年的辉煌只在旦夕,君等何以30年为醉?
Goujian0724 2 years ago
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liusiyao 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
我的观点属于法制派,完善的法制在专制体制下创造的效率是巨大的。而且法制改革远比政体突变受到的阻力小得多,这样中国人也不用 通过革命来实现多党民主了。想在共产党手底下实现多党,基本上就得革命,这样对中国来说得不偿失。所以还是完善法制,保持一党专 制,加强党内民主比较可行。这是我的观点
liusiyao 2 years ago
要看得远些,美国为解放奴隶,推进社会生产力,不惜南北开战,而由此极大地释放了社会生产力,这是美国在独立之后另一个冲刺,对之后美国的崛起起到关键性的推进作用,林肯虽死但是其功绩以跨越时代。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
那你來吧
ericzhu4 1 year ago
革命者如果没有勇气,没有坚定的意志和决心,那么其展开地革命也是必定要失败的。毛泽东为范,康有为戒之。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
民主对于司法独立确实有好处,不过舆论监督和开明专制同样能达到这种效果。比较泰国和新加坡的例子,也可以说明司法和民主没有必然联系。我不反对民主,我只是反对20年内实现民主。靠目前中国人的普遍素质,民主优越性在中国根本没有发挥的余地,比不上精英层专制来得有效
liusiyao 2 years ago 2
@liusiyao
赞同,感谢网络上有你这样的人,不费余力地开启国民心智 :)
matchlin 2 years ago 2
人民币可以低估,但请永远不要低估人民。袁世凯复辟帝制时也低估了人民的智慧,任何一个国民都有决定国家前途的力量和责任。
Goujian0724 1 year ago 24
@liusiyao 實在很不想吐嘲你,美國開國就實行民主,當時它們的人民教育水準高嗎?它們當時有掠奪過其他國家嗎?
法國實行民主的時候,它當時有掠奪過哪個國家的資源嗎?
現在大陸的狀況如何?你有臉說沒有他們當時狀況好嗎?
johnb0227 1 year ago
@johnb0227 还有,关于你对西方的认识,我想纠正一下,西方的民主思想本来在希腊时代就有了,然后文艺复兴时期又开始无数思想家一轮一轮的洗礼,几百年的时间,美国建国的时候,国民和知识阶层对于民主的认识,绝对高于现在的中国人。关于法国有没有掠夺别的国家,当然有!从路易十四就开始了,还有拿破仑,他们都是皇帝,不是总统。
liusiyao 1 year ago
@liusiyao
台灣實行基層民主選舉的時候教育水準跟當時大陸差不多
我知道你要說蔣介石帶去台灣的黃金
但是你卻沒有想到大陸的資源是台灣的多少倍
東三省的重工業可是沒有受到任何打擊
這樣都發展不起來,那不就在在證明了共產黨的無能?
johnb0227 1 year ago
@johnb0227 恩,听我的台湾朋友说你们是先从基层选举,开放无党派人士开始,然后慢慢开放中央并最后开放党禁。我觉得这个思路应该是大陆该学习的。确实,大陆改革开放之前是浪费了很多时间,不过现在正在慢慢赶。个人觉得台湾带过去的黄金并不重要,重要的是带过去了中国当时一大批的中上阶层,而共产党除了那批顶尖人才中间基本就断层了
liusiyao 1 year ago
@Goujian0724
还有,目前中国至少提供了一个稳定的环境,在商业方面只要是人才,在中国就肯定能大有发展。天下大乱对中国根本没有好处,所以请你压压火,更务实一些。即使要民主,也得经过几十年慢慢改革,你也不会只因想平息心头怒火,而让成千上万的人流血牺牲吧?
liusiyao 2 years ago
成熟的民主社会不可能短时间成型。台湾现在就是典型的,乳臭未干的民主。凡事为反对而反对,一切唯党命是从,选票大于一切。台湾解严20年了,也就是这种程度,弹丸之地尚如此,大陆那么复杂的社会构成,如此巨大的人口。别说20年,50都也只能说是小学毕业。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
但不能因此而说类似于等时机成熟了,我们就自然会得到民主的话。
我一直坚信着,即使每个兲朝屁民的力量再微弱,但只要改变了自己,就改变了这个世界。
所以,大家一起努力吧,做点自己力所能及的事情。
windyra 2 years ago
我火很大,但是我绝对不会捅错人!不过我一定会把人捅死。改革就是要放开脚步向前走,畏首畏尾到头来就什么都做不成。因为看不清而不敢迈出脚步,那就会永远被困在黑暗中。中国在经济方面上的发展就是花了很长时间摸索出来的,现在也依然在摸索,过去都走过不少弯路,可是改革都是这样的。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
可是政治上还是在原地踏步。政治和经济密不可分,没有配套政治的改革,经济的发展最终会遇到不可逾越的瓶颈。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
当然啦,这么大的国家,改革自然不能操之过急。但是要有实际的动作。骂了那么多,建设性地想法还没机会说,例如:全国性的选举决定中央政权尚未成熟,但是可以在地方进行普选。一方面提高地方政府的代表性,另一方面对地方官员起到约束作用。腐败多是在地方。这多少将权力还给人民,对地方执政者起到保先作用。
Goujian0724 2 years ago
@Goujian0724
非常赞扬你目前的态度,看样子你不是和那些五美分一样整天就知道骂政府,至少你是有深入想过的。中国的选举你参加过么?我在本科时参加过北京海淀区人大代表投票。虽然候选人我都不认识,不过也意味着省下了一笔政治资金。总之现在政府很烂,但是还不至于到了要革命的地步,改革还是有希望的
liusiyao 2 years ago
很遗憾,中国的现状让我在未成年之前就看破了。It's no longer my business since I chose Canada as my identity. I'm here saying the truth, I can wish you people good luck, but you are the only one who can help yourself.
Goujian0724 1 year ago
@Goujian0724
看破中国的现状?你指的是什么?个人觉得这样的话显得很天真。
liusiyao 1 year ago
你错了,作为一个同样的加拿大公民,我必须说:如果我们不能帮助中国同胞,让他们也过上好日子,那么迟早,我们也将被独裁的恶魔所吞没。因为没有人可以和奴隶竞争成本。
zhiwilliam 1 year ago
@liusiyao 看到你这种“中国的选举你参加过么?我在本科时参加过北京海淀区人大代表投票。虽然候选人我都不认识,不过也意味着省下了一笔政治资金。”我要吐了...选民被迫去选那些不认识的人,而被选上台的人根本不用为选民负责,因为选民根本没办法去换另一个想选的人或者罢免他,整个选举就是走形式而已,请问这种“被选上台的人“有如何为人民谋福祉?只有你这种不用大脑思考的生物才会说出“省下了一笔政治资金”这种观点。
FrostwyrmKnight 1 year ago
@FrostwyrmKnight 呵呵,我真的庆幸中国现在还没实现民主和言论自由。我没有说现在的这种政治制度好,只不过说中国要民主得慢慢来,人家台湾经历了40年才开放党禁,大陆这才几年?你不会是想从1949开始算起吧?还有,以现在中国人这种水平,张嘴就是什么没大脑之类的,一讨论问题就必然以贬低别人作为引言的,我只想问你现在就开放普选的优越性在哪?
liusiyao 1 year ago
@liusiyao 你的言论就是整天以中国民众民主素质低下,还没准备好,所以不需要什么普选来搪塞。那么没有普选,又何来民主素质的提高?照你的言论,中国永远不会有民主。还精英治国呢,纯粹就是“精英”误国。这种“素质低无法民主论”我也看了不少了,不靠民众自身争取民主,难道要靠执政的既得利益者赏赐你们提高民主素质吗?搞笑!
FrostwyrmKnight 1 year ago
@FrostwyrmKnight
嘿嘿,普选??
在中国如果搞普选,贿选肯定是大面积的泛滥,谁给的钱多,谁就能当选。
你不是中国人,你不会理解中国现状的。
中国政府专政,但更可怕的是中国的社会。
中国社会已经世风日下,道德沦丧了,不夸张的说,在金钱和真理面前,选择前者的肯定多过选择后者。
现在有多少人骂政府贪腐?再去看看有多少人每年参加公务员的考试,你真以为他们是想为人民服务呢?
z304288293 1 year ago
@z304288293 说的很对.....不得不顶..中国现在就是这样的现象
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@liusiyao 你的言论就是整天以中国民众民主素质低下,还没准备好,所以不需要什么普选来搪塞。那么没有普选,又何来民主素质的提高?照你的言论,中国永远不会有民主。还精英治国呢,纯粹就是“精英”误国。这种“素质低无法民主论”我也看了不少了,不靠民众自身争取民主,难道要靠执政的既得利益者恩赐你们提高民主素质吗?搞笑!
FrostwyrmKnight 1 year ago
@Goujian0724 我不知道你是五毛还是富官,改革开放这么多年富民成了富官,当腐败成为生活一部分,下一代的思想都被奴化,想改过来就很难了,最终成了个变态的社会。专制从短期来看是有点好处,但长期靠不住,中国经济以低人权,低工资,低成本,高能耗,高排放,高污染的怪异模式发展,这样的模式能发展几年?
cjq3320044 1 year ago
@cjq3320044 我什么时候说专制靠得住?我连中国公民都不是,还5毛呢。我已经投票了。你们要玩专制就尽管玩,我不玩,宁可不做中国人,也不愿继续当个狗奴才。
Goujian0724 1 year ago
@liusiyao
赞同,感谢网络上有你这样的人,不费余力地矫正国民心智 :)
matchlin 2 years ago
@liusiyao
我也觉得奇怪,18岁来的,好像一句中文都不会了。
powerovergamec 2 years ago
墙外看清晰多了。
hxmei0113 2 years ago
前幾集覺得鳥鳥的 後面看了卻很有感覺
希望國服可以快點找到一條出路
ZeotisWShadow 2 years ago 2
加油啊,中国!!
wuyitongXX 2 years ago
for freedom~~
hfmouse 2 years ago
我是台灣玩家 本來真的對大陸擠爆伺服器 還說有錢 少數服從多數 回歸等一詞感到反感 但是看了這片子 大陸玩家的苦又何嘗不是苦?同為中華民族 自己的同胞卻連怒吼自由的權利都不行!從遊戲中血淋淋的反應了社會問題 即使可以來台服 兩岸玩家間那片高牆始終沒有倒下
祝福中國大陸玩家 "天賦人權 不必沉默" 當你們高喊回家的時候別忘記將那面虛偽的和諧高牆給推倒
snowcat0323 2 years ago 7
中國玩家加油,台灣擁有的自由真的很可貴!
b9704016 2 years ago 4
製作得很棒的影片
確實讓人印象深刻,我並非魔獸玩家,但是也可以體會到其中所要傳達的想法
非常好喔
bluefeng10 2 years ago
在大陆的玩家,我支持你们,虽然我没有玩过一天国服,我从接触魔兽开始就在玩美服。但是我还是要说,你们是最棒的!!也许国服有刷fb,买金,有这样那样的不好,但是看到这个视频我也哭了。自由会来临的。我们相信!
wangweidi2002 2 years ago 4
for freedom!!!!
xieyeah 2 years ago
一边哭一边看。专制政权下无净土。
papayasyo 2 years ago 3
加油啦
國服若開放
無論對哪一方都好
by台服玩家
marthahu 2 years ago
cwow加油,中国加油。
fishsean77 2 years ago
好吧,我也俗一把,for freedom!
caldari02 2 years ago
Someone should translate it and post it in WoW NA forum...excellent movie about FREEDOM!
jhftang 2 years ago 2
In fact the translate version already placed in watch?v=zHjg65mQJkw
JimRaynor2001 2 years ago
谢谢制作组!也谢谢广大理解和支持我们的人!自由之光一定会照遍中国大陆的每个角落!加油!
jgsky 2 years ago 2
fags and kids play WOW
gavin1911 2 years ago
难道是说英文的五毛党?
zmufeng 2 years ago
土鳖了吧
gavin1911 2 years ago
谢谢对岸同胞的支持。
大陆的现状很无奈,不过从这片子就能看出,很多有想法,有行动的年轻人。是这个社会的希望。
这次wow事件让不少左派愤青看清了一些东西,估计是土共始料未及的吧。
greatjam 2 years ago 10
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對岸玩家們。
辛苦了。
很高興我們正在一起戰鬥著。
你們不孤單,仍是有歡迎你們的人在這。
ein0204 2 years ago 4
真的有感動..
玩遊戲不受家里認同,但至少沒有被禁止
很難想像整個國家都是被封閉的對岸
真心祝福!
0937238725 2 years ago 3
拿著美國護照的楊教授,謝謝你幫助中國人戒網癮,辛苦跑這麼遠來中國賺錢
MemenToMorIIIII 2 years ago 2
對岸玩家們。
辛苦了。
很高興我們正在一起戰鬥著。
你們不孤單,仍是有歡迎你們的人在這。
dephil2000 2 years ago 7