Fitzpatrick Try, All Blacks vs British Lions 1993 Eden Park

[suffern63]

Are the morons who comment on youtube representative of rugby supporters nowadays?I hope not.So much for the spirit of rugby,and being different from football.

[keidis28]

i like biscuits

[transtasmannetball]

gosh gulf177, you carry a great big ball of sour grapes in between your legs...you need a chill pill

[MistaPasifika]

We are KIWIS..

All Blacks is tatted on our hearts...

We are the voice of the South Pacific...

[benbig67]

Auckland is the Pacific Island capital of the world. So many Polynesians choose to come and live there. The reason there are so many in the All Blacks is because there are so many living in New Zealand. Go check it out, we don't poach.

[Tehui1974]

Success inspires envy. Envy creates hate. Hate spawns lies. Everyone that wears an AB jersey is a kiwi.

[biggest23]

Does anyone quote sources for information anymore or is the technique to constantly repeat unresearched slander hoping that it will overrule the existing and accessible facts? This is of course directed at the large and slow moving target that is gulf177. truekiwijoker if you know where these facts are please tell the moron. Also gulf177, 1000 years ago there were no people in NZ until some Cook Islanders turned up, then 600-700 years later assorted Europeans, then allsorts, ie immigrants.

[gulf177]

..he was Samoan by birth and at heart, and only played for NZ for the money. And compared to places like Fiji and Samoa, where half the population boil their shoes to make soup, the NZRU is the golden goose.

As for Rokocoko, he even went back home to Fiji last year to marry a Fijian girl, and told the ABs to use his Fijian name, "Josevatu", rather than Joe. And Sivivatu was brought over specially to play rugby. There are more besides. You're a knob-gobbler, and your team are cheating ringers.

[truekiwijoker]

LOL "played for the money". You don't half talk some poo pommie. You must think Tuigamal's pretty stupid then because he never received a cent playing for NZ. The sport was amateur when he played. That's why he took up the league offer [headpat]

And in any case his parents immigrated to NZ when he was 3. Hes really a kiwi.

"places like Fiji and Samoa... ...the NZRU is the golden goose"

Those countries hardly have an organised Rugby competition.

[gulf177]

And if Tuigamala hadn't played for New Zealand, he'd never have been seen by the mungoes and never have had the opportunity to make big bucks with them, would he? Clearly sequential thinking is rather difficult for you, too many knocks on the head perhaps.

And the reason Fiji and Samoa are relatively weak is because New Zealand keeps stealing their best players! To the extent that many go to NZ as juniors (ie Sivivatu) to try and press their mercenary claim for the big bucks.

[truekiwijoker]

This gets' funnier I've shot down your moronic idea Tuigamala got paid playing for the AB's but it looks like you're too much of a penis to graciously admit defeat.

He was an NZ player that got poached by British RL.

the NZRU has never poached a single Island player, because there are piss all quality players in those Islands to poach. All the players there are are kiwis who moved there. Without NZ leftovers to recruit they would never win any games. The only strength they have is from NZ.

[gulf177]

ROFL! WTF are you on about you dipshit? Haven't you humped any sheep for a while? Clearly something's addled your mind. Fiji's home-grown sevens side is among the best in the world, and their home-grown XV beat Wales in the last WC. If they had the likes of Sivivatu and Rokocoko, they'd be even better.

And you tell me - why was the Pacific Islands team even created (playing *unofficial* tests) if not to allow those who represented it to be poached by an "official" test team, ie New Zealand?

[truekiwijoker]

"Haven't you humped any sheep for a while"

You know you're only making yourself look stupider with those jokes. If you ever visit NZ one day you'll get that embarrassed feeling in your stomach LOL.

"Fiji's home-grown sevens side"

Half of which are poached...

"If they had the likes of Sivivatu and Rokocoko"

Who wouldn't be the same players...

"why was the Pacific Islands team even created"

Ask the IRB, but I think that was for entertainment. Almost all of them grew up in NZ (look it up).

[truekiwijoker]

You mouth off about NZ and yet you clearly have no idea about it. There's this thing called immigration, and many Islanders have immigrated to NZ for a better life. Guess what? their kids play Rugby in the NZ environment as they grow up. That's why most of their XV's that make a fool of NH rugby are actually Kiwis who could never make the AB's LOL.

Sivivatu is the best claim you can make for poaching. Sadly yht ture story is his parents sent him to obarding schol in NZ, where he took up Rugby.

[gulf177]

LOL, yeah, Sivivatu had never touched a rugby ball before he was sent to NZ, right? Er, how did his parents afford the fees by the way? Because, you lying buffoon, now that players can't play for two countries, NZ scouts trawl the junior players in Fiji and Samoa, and poach the best ones over to NZ, paying for their last couple of years of school (yet again it's all about money - how sad to see NZ desecrate the spirit of the once-proud game, turning it into a distasteful mercenary cash-grab)

[truekiwijoker]

I have no idea where Sivivatu's parents got the money but I know NZ education isn't that expensive and he's from a military family so it's not that surprising. He didn't go to NZ to play Rugby, that's been shot down time and time again.

Your little fantasy about NZ scouts is laughable and comes across as paranoid. It makes no sense as the NZRU doesn't need to scout any talent with the abundance in NZ.

The home Unions on the other hand do need to scout, which they don't hesitiate from doing.

[gulf177]

"I have no idea where Sivivatu's parents got the money"

Yup, it's a mystery! At least, it is if you're a one-eyed kiwi bovine fancier who clings to the false notion that his team isn't a bunch of poaching, cheating bottlers!

[truekiwijoker]

Dear oh dear more sheep shagging jokes. I mean for one you're looking Australian with these...

Sivivatu's family are military, and if you knew anything (which you clearly don't) you'd know that equates to privilege in Fiji.

I'm not interested in their financial situation but then again I'm not some paranoid irrational moron who has to search for conspiracies rather than concede my country blows at sports.

Let alone some wanker who spams a video of an admirable AB's try with anti-NZ vitriol.

[richardduncankey]

Dunno why I am wading in to this, but Sivivatu actually came to NZ on a football scholorship

[gulf177]

Exactly - more truekiwijoker bs exposed as the lies it is. A bunch of bottling, cheating, whinging ringers. Great to see them get humped twice by the Boks last month - a precursor for the world cup (though the All-Fijians will probably end up going down to someone else before they even face SA). McCaw and his cheating are getting old and ineffective. Tyrant1505, good point on the BOD assault: only a lying scumbag would argue he was "dropped", as opposed to deliberately piledriven onto his neck.

[richardduncankey]

What I meant was that Sivivatu was identified for his football/soccer talent, not for rugby. He then turned to rugby, where his skills were nurtured and developed in New Zealand.

Gulf, Cheer up mate, don't believe everything the that the Likes of Jones and other members of the British media tell you. Banter is one thing, but you seem to be overly bitter towards us kiwis.

[transtasmannetball]

gulf you idiot all you're doing is insulting polynesians kiwis and who are you to speak on behalf of us? I guess your country should return half your Olympic team in particular your athletics and football team back to the Caribbean?

[truekiwijoker]

"As for Rokocoko, he even went back home to Fiji last year to marry a Fijian girl, and told the ABs to use his Fijian name, "Josevatu", rather than Joe"

SO WHAT?

He's of Fijian ethnicity, but he still grew up in NZ and is the product of NZ rugby.

How many Brits retain cultural links with their ethnic homeland of Pakistan? The Carribean? West Africa?

If Rokocoko's not a kiwi then the Armitage brothers aren't English.

[gulf177]

He's of Fijian ethnicity; he as born and bred in Fiji; he went home last year to marry a local Fijian girl; he wants people to use his Fijian name, not an English derivation.....if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. He's Fijian son. Just because he lived a few years in New Zealand purely for the economic benefits doesn't change the fact that he's a Fijian ringer, and your team are cheating, poaching, dirty bottlers.

[ihavenopantson]

where does England get all those black wingers from btw?

and what about the Underwood brothers?

[truekiwijoker]

"He's of Fijian ethnicity; he as born and bred in Fiji"

BWUAAHAHAHA!

So by 'bred in Fiji' you mean his parents moved to NZ when he was 5?

Well you can keep your strange definition but the rational thinking world will declare him bred in NZ.

"his Fijian name, not an English derivation"

[shakes head] So now you're fantasizing that they've forced him to be called Joe? Mate is your IQ in double figures or something?

"he lived a few years"

'A few years' being 21 of his 26 years LOL!

[truekiwijoker]

"purely for the economic benefits"

Correction: his parents moved to NZ permanently for economic benefits.

"doesn't change the fact that he's a Fijian ringer"

It's a non-fact. He's a NZlander plain and simple.

"and your team are cheating, poaching, dirty bottlers"

1) All blacks are the 2nd least cheating (England are probably the most LOL)

2) NZRU has never ever poached

3) AB's have by far the best win/loss record of any international team.

Keep reading the Daily Telegraph! LOL.

[gulf177]

All Blacks the 2nd least cheating?! LMAO! Oh, keep 'em coming! Back in the real world, McCaw alone cheats more than most entire teams do, and relies on the clout and whinging of the All Blacks management to intimidate refs out of pinging him. The SA coach said so just last year.

When a ref has the guts to force them to play fair, ie Wayne Barnes in the WC vs France, they get beaten, and go into a crying, whingy, hissy tantrum. Suck it up, cheating bottlers - not even your ringers can save you!

[truekiwijoker]

"All Blacks the 2nd least cheating"

That's right.

"McCaw alone cheats more than most entire teams do"

McCaw plays to the laws limits, just like 'bok flankers and Waugh and Neil Back did and any other outstanding flanker. Of course as England's current forwards are mediocre, they can only WISH they could do what McCaw does.

"relies on the clout and whinging of the All Blacks management to intimidate refs"

This gets funnier! Oh there's a conspiracy! the big bad NZRU bullies ref's!

Get real.

[tyrant1505]

truekiwi McCaw is a magnificent player! Cheating has been/is used by any top openside. England DON'T have anyone anywhere near the likes of Winterbottom or even Back or Hill at the moment. 50 Lions greats put together their all time Lions 15 and Wints and Martin Johnson were the only recent players good enough to get in! I do get cheesed re law consistency, Ali Williams slicing Lewsey's face apart, NO action, Umaga/Mealamu on O'Driscoll NO action! His dislocation "grade" was not via "dropping"

[augustus765976597859]

@gulf177

What a fucking idiot. Sivi is the only "rugby emigre" to NZ and hes not even in the current squad. England and the other British countries depend hugely on the talent that NZers bring to their teams wether by playing or coaching. Gatland, John Mitchell, Englands current midfield, etc etc etc .

England with more playing population than anyone, has the least talent and rugby intelligence of any nation, they're a fucking joke.

[augustus765976597859]

@gulf177

Everyone look at this retard's channel subscriptions, pat the postman here is a big fan of massively muscled female bodybuilders

[gulf177]

Fair point about Flutey, hopefully he'll be like Vainikolo and soon disappear from the scene. It annoys me when any national team plays ringers because it's against the spirit of the game (and rugby union is one of the few sports that has some semblance of spirit left), but NZ has got it down to an art. I mean, come on, Bunce, Tuigamala, etc, and when the IRB changed the rules, they created the "Pacific Islands" side, which isn't "officially" a test side, so they can poach from them instead :-(

[gulf177]

New Zealand are the dirtiest, most unsporting bunch of cunts in rugby. On the field, with their spear teackling and off the ball incidents (here; the O'Driscoll assault; Jamie Joseph's stamp on Kyran Bracken's ankle 1993), plus constant illegal play from the likes of McCaw, who often get away with it because of their team's name.......and off the pitch, with their neverending poaching of Fijian, Tongan and Samoan players. When the IRB tightened the rules to prevent players representing two....

[ihavenopantson]

there are more Samoans, Tongans, and Fijians in NZ than there are on the Islands you fool, no one is poaching them.

the IRB did tighten the rules, players can no longer play for more than one country, and guess who misses out on players with those rules?, the Island countires do, because the players want to play for the country they live in and grew up in, fool

[gulf177]

Wrong you muppet, the players play for the All Blacks because they get more money than if they represented their home countries (Fiji, Samoa and Tonga). Look at your two wings, Rokocoko and Sivivatu, they come from Fiji, they're as New Zealander as Mao Tse-Tung is. And you tried to poach Caucau too, but the IRB changed the rules before you could (insert Nelson Muntz laugh: "Haaaaaaa-haaaaaaa")

All Blacks are a cheating, poaching, bottling bunch of ringer cunts. End of.

[truekiwijoker]

The muppet here is YOU. The NZRU has piss-all money. They have never poached a single player. Check yer facts first knob-shiner. Joe Rokocoko grew up in NZ. They are the one union that never poaches and always gets poached from.

England are the most consistent poachers End of.

[111edy]

@ihavenopantson my ass, anyone would play for nz due to their reputation knob suckle!

[truekiwijoker]

There is nothing but utter BS in your post.

NZ are the 2nd LEAST dirty after Ireland.

The O'Driscoll incident was accidental and a storn in a teacup.

The AB's have the lowest amount of spear tackles.

We're nowhere near as unsporting as the NH unions.

The NZRU are always getting the short straw from the IRB

The NZRU has NEVER poached. Check the facts. They are the Union most poached from.

You can look it up rather than rely on Britain's dodgy media.

[gulf177]

Utter one-eyed kiwi shite. O'Driscoll an accident? Yeah, two players just happened to launch a simultaneous assault on the Lions captain and best player, driving his head into the turf when the ball was already long gone from the breakdown. You lying, cheating cunt. Ditto for the Bracken incident, and many others.

As for your ringers, Bunce played for Western Samoa in the 91 WC! Can't get any more blatant poaching than that. Tuigamala also played for Samoa in union and league, because he...

[truekiwijoker]

LOL dear oh dear don't we have a potty mouth? why the vitriol? has a big strapping kiwi made you look more ridiculous?

Now as for the O'Driscoll affair:

It wasn't simultaneous.

It unfolded in less than 5 seconds.

The ball had yet to clear when Mealamu first grabbed his leg

Mealamu had no way of telling the ball had gone until too late.

He was dropped not driven.

There has never been a single good reason to even assume it was deliberate. And it's hardly untypical of top level Rugby.

[gulf177]

Er, and why did Umaga grab his other leg after the ball had cleared? Nothing planned or premeditated there! And if he'd been "dropped not driven", he wouldn't have been injured for 6 months, you cretin, and lucky not to have broken his neck.

"Hardly untypical of top-level rugby" - what? Er, then why are there not many such horrific injuries in every match? You fool - it was a typical All Black cheap shot to take out the captain and star player.

[truekiwijoker]

"Er, and why did Umaga grab his other leg after the ball had cleared?"

Well actually the ball was clearing and Umaga's view obstructed.

"Nothing planned or premeditated there"

That's right. There has never been any good reason to assume so. Only bad reasons such as sour grapes and childishness.

"And if he'd been "dropped not driven", he wouldn't have been injured for 6 months"

So what you're saying is that accidents can't cause 6 month recoveries? That makes absolutely no logical sense.

[truekiwijoker]

""Hardly untypical of top-level rugby" - what? Er, then why are there not many such horrific injuries in every match?."

OMFG!

[laughs] WTF are talking about gulf177? there's an horrific injury comparable to that in at least every 2nd test match.

Case in point: the tests just played last weekend

"it was a typical All Black cheap shot to take out the captain and star player"

'Typical'? Oh yeah the AB's are really well renown for take outs. Good one mate!

Christ, get a clue...

[gulf177]

Of course there isn't a horrific, near-neck breaking injury that causes a player to spend over sx month in recovery "in at least every 2nd test match", you lying buffoon. There are some smaller injuries, caused largely by honest hard tackling. The O'Driscoll disgrace was entirely different - it was two players launching a cowardly and pre-meditated assault upon the star player and captain of their opposition, one which could quite easily have left him paralysed.

[truekiwijoker]

"Of course there isn't"

LOL Christ you talk some nonsense. How many injuries and foul plays were there in the last three weeks of test Rugby? Let's just look at that last Lions test, cheating/foul play galore from Sheridan and Shaw.

"near-neck breaking"

Well actually O'Driscoll suffered a dislocated shoulder, nothing happened to his neck.

"pre-meditated"

If that was premeditated then they must have carried it off pretty remarkably considering how quickly it happened.

Somehow I think not...

[truekiwijoker]

If they wanted BOD out wouldn't it make sense to get him in a ruck or maul? or perhaps with a high tackle/swinging arm? nah instead they do something highly risky and plain to see.

The play was reckless, but if you knew anything about Rugby you'd know there's no reason to assume it was deliberate let alone premeditated

Sadly it seems logical deduction isn't your strong point. I fact you respond with it by calling those people liars and buffoons.

How hilariously sad...

[truekiwijoker]

"As for your ringers, Bunce played for Western Samoa in the 91 WC!"

Well that was almost 20 years ago. But in any case it was a case of NZ being poached FROM. He is after all a born and bred Kiwi of part-Samoan decent who was the product of NZ rugby.

But in any case England also took advantages of those laws. Example: Victor Ubogu.

And the oud English tradition of poaching continues: Simon Shaw, Matt Stevens, Mike Catt. God can't ya get yer own talent?

[gulf177]

LOL! Whatever son - Bunce played for Samoa because he's Samoan. Ditto Tuigamala. And your efforts, luckily thwarted, to get Caucau prove yet again what a bunch of poaching cheats you are.

Shaw, Stevens and Catt are all English by descent; Catt and Shaw were simply English expats who happened to spend some time in other countres. Like half the All Blacks, who are Fijian/Samoan expats who happened to spend some time in New Zealand, and play for the ABs for the money, as ringer mercenaries.

[truekiwijoker]

"Bunce played for Samoa because he's Samoan."

Explain how then.

Given the facts: he was born in NZ, grew up in NZ, hold NZ citizenship and passport, has only 1/4 Samoan ancestry. And has lived almost his entire life in NZ.

C'mon no more empty rhetoric let's see some logic.

"Ditto Tuigamala"

You're an idiot I've already shot this down LOL.

"Caucau"

Who? never heard of him.

[gulf177]

The O'Driscoll disgrace, the Jamie Joseph stamp on Bracken, and many more incidences of dirty play are completely against the spirit of rugby. But then, so is filling your "national" team with foreign ringers, so no surprise New Zealand excel at that too.

Bunce? Let me spell it out for your simple, sheep-fancying brain: Bunce played for W.Samoa in 1991. He was a Samoan international, end of story. The All Blacks then POACHED Samoa's player. Very simple to understand, unless you're a cretin.

[truekiwijoker]

"Jamie Joseph stamp on Bracken"

That's called rucking. The England team are past masters at exploiting that to stomp players what goes around comes around. Bracken was a pretty average player anyway.

"and many more incidences of dirty play are completely against the spirit of rugby But then, so is filling your "national" team with foreign ringers"

2 things England are the biggest culprits of all for.

"New Zealand excel at that too"

As I've proven that's complete fiction.

Bit slow aren't we?

[xpat73]

@truekiwijoker actually Bracken was stamped on after passing a ball from a lineout....not at a ruck.

[truekiwijoker]

"sheep-fancying"

Oh no don't start with the sheep shagging jokes! whatever will I do?

"Bunce played for W.Samoa in 1991. He was a Samoan international, end of story. The All Blacks then POACHED Samoa's player"

LOL No what happened is that an kiwi who grew up and learnt his Rugby in NZ got poached by Samoa when it looked like he'd never go far in NZ thanks to some Samoan ancestry. Then we he shone he went and played for his home country.

A poaching reversed. Give it up creampuff you're wrong.

[xpat73]

@gulf177 The Bunce thing was allowed by the rules at that time,...now it is not.

[truekiwijoker]

"Shaw, Stevens and Catt are all English by descent"

Hilarious! BY DESCENT! that stands up to no logic. That means most Kiwis can play for England too.

Descent means nothing. Face it they were POACHED like so many others who've worn the England shirt.

Mike Catt is South African. He was born and grew up there and is a product of the Eastern Province RFU whom he represented before being poached. He is NOT an expat.

You could have checked that BEFORE looking stupid.

[gulf177]

Tuigamala used his All Black exposure to engineer a big-money move to league. Without that exposure, he wouldn't have made nearly as much money - just another example of foreign mercenaries playing for the All Blacks.

And you've never heard of Caucau? Well it was clear before that you know nothing about rugby, and this confirms it. He's the Fijian winger who you tried to poach, but were denied by the IRB ruling in switching nations, since he had already played for Fiji. Haaaaaa-haaaaaaa!

[truekiwijoker]

"Tuigamala used his All Black exposure to engineer a big-money move to league. Without that exposure, he wouldn't have made nearly as much money"

Hilarious!

First of all you're trying to worm out of saying he got played to pay for the AB's

But now you're saying it was all a big move to one day get a RL contract? that's even funnier!

No what happened is growing up in NZ he was groomed for AB's. Then he was poached. When Rugby went pro he wasn't the player he was so he played for Samoa.

Facts.

[truekiwijoker]

"And you've never heard of Caucau? Well it was clear before that you know nothing about rugby, and this confirms it. He's the Fijian winger who you tried to poach, but were denied by the IRB ruling in switching nations, since he had already played for Fiji. Haaaaaa-haaaaaaa!"

I think you mean Caucaunibuca. The IRB ruling was long before he came to prominence. Would you like to provide some credible evidence the NZRU sought him? And by credible I won't accept some BS British newspaper article.

[truekiwijoker]

Simon Shaw is Kenyan born and bred, he didn't play Rugby until he moved to England in his late teens.

Like half the All Blacks, who are Fijian/Samoan

Well actually the ABs have never been less than half Caucasian.

expats...spend some time

So when you say expats and by spending some time are you using a unique definition that includes not actually being born in that country (living all their life in NZ) or all their life from, say, age 3?

This being the low-IQ definition.

[gulf177]

Catt and Shaw are from English expat families, who spent some time in foreign countries. Who cares? If a dog is born in a stable, does that make it a horse. They were and are English, and represented their country. Just as Rokocoko is Fijian, and considers himself as such, with his demand to use his Fijian name, and returning home to marry a Fijian girl. His family are Fijian expats who happened to spend some time in NZ: Rokocoko's actions show where his real nationality and loyalty lies.

[truekiwijoker]

"Catt and Shaw are from English expat families, who spent some time in foreign countries. They were and are English"

More comedy.

They're not English in any way. Catt certainly doesn't regard himself as such and has a strong saffa accent.

Both less legit than

"Just as Rokocoko is Fijian, and considers himself as such"

Actually he's publicly declared himself a New Zealander.

"His family are Fijian expats who happened to spend some time in NZ"

He's spent the latter 21 of his 26 years in NZ.

[Nickmard]

@gulf177 Your mother is a cunt.

[wderrick87]

@gulf177 As has already been said - most All Blacks of Polynesian descent were born and raised in NZ. The following have been in the England squad this year alone: Shontayne Hape, Dylan Hartley, Manu Tuilagi, Thomas Waldrom, Matt Stevens, Riki Flutey, Mouritz Botha, Hendre Fourie, Joe Simpson, Alex Corbisiero, Charlie Sharples, Delon Armitage. That's almost a full team of England players 'poached' from overseas.

[MaoriWithaGun]

@gulf177 haha you mad bro.......

[wifiandy]

@gulf177 did you forget to take your meds today? you have some temper issues i think, maybe conselling might resolve your anger instead of meds? or are you just another one of those supporters of a losing team that cant handle the jandel?

[pix042]

New Zealan were spear tackling degenerate cun** in this whole series.

[Tehui1974]

Jealousy and envy. We won, you lost.

[truekiwijoker]

There wasn't a single spear tackle in the whole series.

[DomhnallOC]

The British Lions??

[xpat73]

@DomhnallOC That's what thye were called in 1993. In any case there was only one fliipin Irish player in the Test side.....Popplewell

[DomhnallOC]

@xpat73 Well that's just not true. Ireland was not a part of Britain in 1993

[xpat73]

@DomhnallOC I'm saying that they were just know as the British Lions at that time in 1993.....In 1997 they officially changed the name to British and Irish Lions. That's a fact.....it's not my opinion. So I'm not quite sure what you are on about.....I'm not saying it was right in 1993...but that's what they were called.