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Ron Paul has the proven character, voting record, and constitutionally correct knowledge to know how to implement his policies that would be in favor of all Americans for the right to life and protection as living human beings. This issue should go to the State level where it belongs. Since the federal government unconstitutionally meddled in it, it is now legal in all states and states can't overturn this wrongfully ill conceived ruling of R vs W which is NO right to privacy at all.
Obama's solution to solving the issue of abortion not being murder before birth but murder 1 minute after birth is to legalize the post birth abortions.
Ron Paul claims to have delivered 4000 babies, but the moms just probably saw rons ugly face trying to kill her children and changed their minds at his abortion clinic. 4000 moms changed their minds about their terrorism in the womb and ron paul probably killed millions of more future terror warriors in the womb.
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It's quite simple. The ideals of freedom, liberty, and unalienable right are extended to the unborn fetus who, unfortunately, does not have rights under our current laws whether at 8 weeks or 8 months. By implementing equal protection to the preborn human person, it is an understanding that any individual's rights and freedoms end when they inflict harm upon someone else, namely the unborn child living in the womb.
libertarian essentially means that you believe you can do whatever you want as long as you're not harming anyone. If the unborn are human, than abortion would fall under "harming someone." That's the justification for Pro-Life Libertarianism
@philanderadriaan I'm just saying that argument is lame. Heard it a hundred times. That's like saying if you save someone's life, you should be held responsible for feeding and housing them.
@philanderadriaan If you are given the opportunity to take the easy way out and run and hide from your responsibilities then you are not being forced to be an adult are you?
I was a 16 yr. old girl raped & expecting. I recovered from the rape with therapy, but I could never recover from killing my own baby. My son is a marvel to behold. He is very loved by his 7 half brothers & sister as well as his 12 adopted siblings. Everyone who meets him is amazed & delighted. My son brings joy to everyone and everywhere he goes, he makes it a better place. This man is exceedingly charming. We cannot even imagine our lives without his love and wit.
You were raped when you were 16 PLUS you were also expecting? Christ what kind of whore were you? I mean don't complain about getting raped. If you were expecting then clearly you like sex. Plus your son has 7 "half brothers"? How many different fathers are there? You make me sick. Sleeping around and then whining when you get raped. Want some whine with your cheese?
OK Wait, are you hot? Or a pig? If you're hot I'll argue this with you. If you're a pig this is a waste of my time.
njdx1...clearly you misunderstood! I was raped and found myself pregnant as a result of the rape.I was a virgin when I was violated.I then got married and had 6 children with my husband.Your comments are ignorant at best.
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, in 2005, 1.21 million abortions took place in the United States. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16 to 20 weeks pregnant; over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks or more into their pregnancy. According to CDC government data, over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had three or more previous abortions.
If we just say.'let's make it legal because it will happen anyway'..why not extend this to child-molesting, drunk driving - or any other evil and destructive folly? There will always be those who disobey the law of the land, but this is no excuse for making a bad practice legal.
I do believe women have more sense than to risk their own injury or even death like this. There will always be those who disobey the law of the land, but this is no excuse for making a bad practice legal. To bring this to its logical conclusion, should we make child molesting, drunk driving and drug taking legal too, just because a small minority persist in doing it? The 'butchers' are still around, buddy, only nowadays they're in the HIGH streets (PP).
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There Are Up To 36 Couples Waiting For Every One Baby Placed For Adoption.
~54,500 unrelated domestic adoptions occur each year. - 23,500 infant adoptions take place annually. ~16,000 international adoptions take place each year.
And only someone too sensitive to see the real issue behind an inaccessible example would pick such a stupid bone. Instead of examples, try attacking the arguments behind them. In case you need clarification, I was saying that switching your stance on such a complicated issue based on an emotional instinct, a sudden pang of sympathy, is a stupid thing to do. If you disagree with that idea, argue against the idea itself, don't distract from it by taking up some asinine dispute over an example.
you may think the whole fertilized egg = human notion is a superstitious, backward religious idea, but that pales in comparison to the notion that, at the moment of birth, at the very second the fetus peeks it's head out of mom's vagina, that a thunder bolt shakes the earth, a supreme court justice bangs his gavel, and the fetus miraculously becomes a human. yet for the life of me I can't tell the difference between the before and after pictures.
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Forcing a woman to have a child she doesnt want is the republican way to feel righteous because it doesnt cost them. After the child is born homeless and unwanted republican compassion come to a halt. They vote against any measures put in place to help the child including healthcare, education, and housing assistance. They basically turn their backs as soon as theyre handed a bill. Democrats are the ones that try to help the child have a chance in life. Republicans are phony hypocrites.
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Boohoo, it has a beating heart. So do raping, murdering, torturing pedophiles. But don't kill them!! They have a heartbeat. Are you serious?? Everyone says "Oh, they left it on a shelf to die, that's evil" -- so don't leave it on a shelf, kill the fucker. I promise, after you kill the thing, it won't care anymore. That's a fact. Know what else has a heartbeat?? Animals being tortured all their lives in laboratories and factory farms -- but ignore them, they're worthless pieces of shit, right??
Wow, are you one angry confused person. You don't care about aborting babies. You want to kill metally depraved criminals who are no longer a danger to society because they are prisoners. "Kill the Fucker"...? "It won't care anymore" Since when is an innocent child a fucker? Anyone who tortures anmals is also an evil person. Calm down a little. How can you think straight if you are so violently angry?
I calm down when it's time to think. As you can see, I already have my opinions about killing vs torture, so I just ran off on a quick tangent. Wasn't that angry, though.
but human life begins at conception so you're wrong conman it is much different from your sperm. In our Constitution it says all men are created equal. Well if life begins at conception and we are created then shouldn't it be banned?
No, it's not, it's a little tiny spec of DNA, that does not make it a person. A zygote/embryo/fetus is not a person, an egg is not a chicken, a seed is not a flower. A person is, by definition, someone living separately and whole, a fetus does not, in any way, fit this description. And no, the right to life does not apply to them, your rights stop when they infringe on another person's rights. Otherwise, shouldn't we make rape legal if a SACK OF FLESH WITH NO SENSES can use a woman's body?
Wow what a great speaker, He absolutely tells it like it is. The story of the doctors putting the baby in the bucket and it was breathing and crying and everyone pretended they didn't hear it, is a great example of people being sheep. Ron Paul for president 2012!
Has nothing to do with emotions the fact that it is human life and if woman's life is not in harms way doesn't that human deserve to live? Since we put his punishment on human murders. Also it isn't just tissue it has human dna.
That is the stupidest fucking thing ive ever heard. Like all of life, a fetus from the beginning is the meeting of two different reproductive cells or the splitting in two of one whole cell. Not just one basic cell, which is sperm. You idiot.
Stop all of your life vs. choice debate. It's all about different ways of economic development.
In free-market urban area, When the cost of children is high and women are allowed to work as white-collar class, abortion will be "necessary"
In rural area, when children can be easily raised, women will support pro-life
Don't argue with me with any cliche about "baby killer" or "women's choice", or any rhetoric question from lawyers. If you want ultra-capitalism, you MUST support pro-choice.
Great Speech by a great pioneer too bad he wont make it to the top seat. Somebody much younger and more full of demand and ruthless in speech must be his succesor
3:25-3:33...wow. How can anyone hear that story and still be pro abortion? How can anyone consider something that can cry and breathe just a fetus?? That's a baby. And that's murder.
We are not pro-life. We are beyond pro-choice. We are pro-abortion. You will terminate your excessive pregnancies immediately, or face an over populated planet. When this occurs we will have no other choice but to destroy you all via nuclear holocaust. You have been given fair warning.
That is just the conclusion I've come to louiethegreat. I would suggest that you read "Reclaiming Conservatism" by Mickey Edwards... the first section in particular, it's called "The Conservative Soul" I think you'll find it incredible insightful and interesting... also, helpful to your pro-life advocacy! God bless.
I am a dedicated pro life advocate. Recently I thought about how many pro life presidents we have had in the last few election cycles. Do you know that all the Supreme Court Justices, except two, were appointed by pro-life presidents. Ever ask yourself why Row-v-Wade has never been overturned? Could it be that we (pro-lifers) are being hoodwinked by these candidates that just want the christian vote. The use their platform to spread the globalist ideology.
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Not at all. Sperm are all technically living, bacteria is all technically living, the food we eat was once living, so if you are going to believe that bollocks, everyone on the planet is anti-life.
you're ignorant. life begins AT conception. not before, not after. bacteria and sperm dont become fully developed human babies after 9 months. the embryo isnt a thing. its a human being in the embryonic stage of development. Dont just think, think critically.
oh man. please. think before speaking. look up gianna jessen and the oldenburg baby on google or wikipedia or something. there's still some pro-aborts out there who actually still think life begins at birth? thats hilarious and sad. life beginning at conception has been a fact in embryology for the last 20 years. an embryo is a human being in the embryonic stage of development. to splice that life open and throw it into the garbage is an act of murder and if a candidate supports it theyre disqua
I know all about that money making machine! She cant even comprehend her own non existance from an abortion, but she can damn sure make you idgits believe she is special because she was not aborted.You are a sucker, and ignorant.
voice:embryo is a human being
Liar!if it were a human being it would have rights as we all do, and it has NONE!
voice:act of murder
LIAR.Why do you lie?Is it because the TRUTH is what made abortion legal,& your trying the opposite?
how about the oldenburg baby? or the countless others? you know you're gonna have to give up the birth hypothesis. it's failed to many times.
//if it were a human being it would have rights as we all do, and it has NONE!//
funny, people said the same about blacks and jews. pro-life is a fight for human rights. it's not a fight about an abortion law. human rights ought to begin when human life begins.
It is an act of murder. Ill take a gynecologist's or an embryologist's word over yours
voice:human rights ought to begin when human life begins. tell us how we can give an embryo the right to free speech, to assemble, the freedom of press,the right to own property, and all the rest of the rights we are given? It can't work. never in the history of this counrty(or most others) could a fetus been given rights.
voice: people said the same about blacks and jews You can't compare human beings w/embryos.
there are only 4 differences between born humans and unborn humans:
1) size
2) stage of development
3) level of dependency
4) location/environment
These reasons arent good enough to justify killing a person. And your argument is garbage because people dont get the right to vote until they're 18, which is when they're suited for it according to the government. rights like the kind you're talking about are based on qualifications or age, not stage of development. but we all have the right
v>there are only 4 differences between born humans and unborn humans:
1) size
2) stage of development
3) level of dependency
4) location/environment Wrong. The unborn don't have rights. In the law,& what we know that makes us alive is our ability to participate in society,or at least be recognized as a member of society.Fetuses are excluded both by necessity and custom.There can be no meaningful social participation for someone cocooned inside another's body.
who better to consult than the embryologist? i think when it comes to this debate, maybe they know what they're talking about more than Peter Singer or Sam Harris, and maybe we should listen to them telling us its a fact instead of pretentious filibustering.
why cant a child have the same rights a day before they're born as they do a day after they're born?
for what an embryo is (which is a human being in the embryonic stage of development).
okay, so until a baby can talk it shouldnt have rights is what you're saying.
look i realize you might have a personal stake in this, but im sorry that i cant be responsible for your behaviour. nothing will ever change the fact that life begins at conception.
voice:nothing will ever change the fact that life begins at conception. nothing will ever change the fact that when life begins dosen't matter. When one becomes a human being is th eONLY thing that counts.
So what your saying is, that the only way you have the right to do something (speak freely, assemble, own property, etc.) is if you have the physical ability?
w6:So what your saying is, that the only way you have the right to do something (speak freely, assemble, own property, etc.) is if you have the physical ability Nope, it needs to be born.
w6:One more time to be clear-you think that nobody can have any rights that they are not physically able to exercise? Stop the game ! I'm too smart for you. They do NOT need to be physically able to have the freedom of rights. I never said that. Because there are many ways a mute person can have the freedom tto speak, or a legless person to assemble, or a handless person to write...but, they STILL have to be born.
Then what was the point u were making in using those examples of rights in regards 2 an embryo? U know what-I don't even care. What u don't understand is that rights r not govt-given. "We" don't give any1 rights. God does. The DOI even proclaims that we are "endowed by our creator". Most understand that regardless of what they believe the creator(origin of life) is, & belief in the right 2 kill some1 based on the charge that they haven't passed thru a birth canal isn't smarts. It's pure evil!
w6:. Then what was the point u were making in using those examples of rights in regards 2 an embryo? Listen, YOU started the "physical ability" stuff. That was NOT my idea. YOu just didn't like that a fetus dosen't have the freedom of speech.
w6:rights r not govt-given.
Then where do they come from? McDonalds?
w6:The DOI even proclaims that we are "endowed by our creator" with CERTAIN INAILABLE RIGHTS!! So our creator gave us CERTAIN rights? Which ones?
w6:Do you honestly think that the GOVT gives you rights? The US govt gave us abortion rights.
w6:that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness That had NEVER included fetuses
w6:Hitler For christs sake people, why do you bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people. get somehting better or fail!
sue: the Lord casually orders Moses to massacre 24,000 Israelites
Clearly, the bible is not pro-life!!
Clearly youve taken this out of context, neglecting to mention, he did this out of anger towards Isreal, because "the people began to commit harlotry... and bowed down to their gods" -Numbers 25:1-3This has no correlation with abortion whatsoever! Is wasnt about abortion is a was about you dear lords love of life...any life!! Which does NOT exist!
w6:"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
" And, laying a finger aside of his nose, UP the chimney he rose". The Night Before Christmas: pg 18
and stop cutting & pasting biblical verses like you KNOW what you're talking about.. you professed "christain" who has to look up verses. Hell, even I wouldnt have had to look THAT one up! Guess you need MORE bible study.
sueezee: Were did you see me mention LIVING PERSON
Stop spinning! U'll get dizzy & puke.
Read your following text: why do u bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people
What did u call me again? "Dumb"?
& u never did reference a passage that specifically says those children weren't considered people. U never answer the question either, cause any RATIONAL person would know it has everything 2 do with abortion. Can a non-living, non-prson leap 4 joy
w6:You're going to have to do better than that I never do less that the best, and I don't HAVE to do anything...abortion is legal and thuths made it that way
sz: Numbers 3:15 shows that babies younger than 30 days were not even counted in a census
Give it a rest! God is not on your side! It does not say that the children weren't considered persons.
If a farmer sent into his henhouse to count all the brown eggs that were laid, would that mean that the white eggs weren't eggs? Does that mean that he gave you the okay to smash them?
w6:So what you are saying is that babe in Elizabeth's womb had to have been a living person, I've told you ten times. Its living but its not a person, dumbass!
w6: I asked my 5 year old son if he felt joy or sadness when he was in the womb & he said, & I quote: "I was happy Poor kid has an idiot for a parent! Did you expect a rational answer?
Once again you resort to insults and name calling because your content is so shallow and weak. "Wah, Wah, it's not a person. Wah". Yeah I get your stupid argument, but still you've got nothing for me. Any rational person knows that a person can only be pregnant with another person, not a puppy or a monkey, or a fish. You can say it is not a person all day long, but you cannot possibly prove it.
w6:Once again you resort to insults and name calling because your content is so shallow and weak. The "content" was enough to make abortion legal. Give it a rest.. Bow out gracefully!
No. I don't want to. Even though murdering babies is presently "legal", "my group" and I are going to keep campaigning against it. I know it bothers you, but too bad.
w6:S. Constitution, Amendment 5: No person shall. A fetus is NOT A PERSON! Why don't you learn the laws of this country before speaking.
w6:It's a person Sweetheart, its THIS simple. if it were a person, abortion would be TOTALLY illegal, NO questions asked because only killing persons and human beings is ILLEGAL. They are neither, and you can continue to belive what you want and not take pride in a damned thing you say. Which will get you NOWHERE...goodbye
You say it will get me NOWHERE, but you must feel that your abortion "rights" are threatened by me and my "group" because you seem to be awfully concerned about what I think or say. If not, just let it go. Go have a rootbeer float or something.
I'm so glad that you are happy for your victory. You should be proud of yourself you know, being able to feel proud when you've just make murder legal. Great job.
sueezee: Defeat my ass! Abortion is legal! We won.
Game's not over yet. Sooner or later, in one way or another, everyone is going to realize that abortion is wrong. Mark my words.
And you know, for being so convinced that abortion is right and that the "legalities" will never change, you seem awfully concerned about what pro-lifers think.
sueezee: I hate
I now completely understand why you are pro-abortion.
aur:how do you know that fetus cant feel emotions? You're right! I was watching David Letterman one night and I swear I heard my sisters fetus dying laughing at his jokes. And, Sis was reading a sad story one day and the fetus started crying. You may be right...... gezzz
youre so sure it cant? Then congratulations for being so educated, because even the best specialists arent sure when the fetus starts feeling pain or emotions. Besides, dont naroow human emotions to just crying or laughing, cause you dont have to show your emotions to feel them. You dont know whats on my mind right now, the same way you cant say what fetus is thinking and wheterit is thinking or not.
aur: because even the best specialists arent sure when the fetus starts feeling pain or emotions Its irrelevant anyway.
aur:the same way you cant say what fetus is thinking On my god! Thinking is the act of REASONING... from knowledge & evidence we KNOW...to use the mind for processin information, to arrive at conclusion! f a fetus knows nothing( or will you say he does?) what the hell is there to think of? Dogs? he dosen't know a dog. His mom? Nope
Ah! The last resort. You've realized that you have no basis for your position on the issue and your arguments are futile. So, you're trying to save face by insulting me and calling me names. I thought you said you were too smart for me.
w6:You've realized that you have no basis for your position The "basis" of MY position is what made abortion legal. If YOUR position was logical abortion wold be illegal.
w6: thought you said you were too smart for me. MY ideas are the BASIS for abortion legalities. Now, who is smart? LOL
sueezee: MY ideas are the BASIS for abortion legalities.
I didn't say nothing about the basis 4 abortion legalities. Read the text! I said u have no basis for your position on the issue, no way of justifying it, & "The "basis" of MY position is what made abortion legal" does not define the basis of your opinion. Thats like defining "car" by saying "A car went off the road". I know that the ideas...
Let me simplify. I am probably making this way too complicated for you.
The ideas of people like you have lead to legalized abortion, but you cannot explain what gives you the "idea" that it is okay to butcher an unborn child.
w6:The ideas of people like you have lead to legalized abortion, And I'll bet you why you & your "group" have not managed to make it illegal after 37 years of trying. What does that tell you? I'll bet it tells you NOTHING!
It tells me that i dont have to worry because Jesus will come soon and rescue my "group" from wicked people like you. I pray though that you come to your senses beforehand and I can see you there... So you can thank me.
w6: You can say it is not a person all day long, but you cannot possibly prove it.
I'm gonna cover your response to this 1 ahead of time.
sz: I don't have to prove nothing because its already legal.
So what, my "group" will still do everything in our power to change that. It being legal does not make it right. I know it's wrong. There is nothing you can do or say that will convince me otherwise, because I am a sane, rational person. U R not!
I'm sure that it is frustrating to realize that you are wrong hahah, I KNEW you would have NO rational reply, but instead You use use your CHRISTIAN "holier than thou" control to try to make ME feel bad. It wont work buddy!
sueezee: You use use your CHRISTIAN "holier than thou" control
Hey look, I tried 2 approach this from a constitutional standpoint, thinking that u probably weren't a Christian & I was accomidating 2 that when I said "origin of life". U R the 1 who brought the bible in2 this. I only mentioned God when refering 2 the founding principal stated in the DOI, that our rights are natural rights, not govt-given.
U R actually calling me IRRATIONAL!? That's hilarious! You've been playing that game all along. If I stoop to your level of reasoning, we could continue this to no end. You just can't handle the fact that I am beating you at your own game.
Recognize this?: For christs sake people, why do you bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people. get somehting better or fail!
You did say "living people", not "living person." I apologize for not knowing we were being so technical, but "people" IS a plural form of the word "person".
w6:I said u have no basis for your position on the issue, no way of justifying it, For christ sake, there needs to be NO justification to believe abortion is good!! Thats like saying justify eating ice cream.... Because its good too! You damned sure stoop some rediculous ideas.
Maybe all women should go out and get pregnant, just so they can get an abortion. I mean if abortion is so good, we might as well make a national festival out of it.
w6:We" don't give any1 rights. God does I if God thought the issue was important, he would have made sure to include such a law in the Bible. The omission of such a law suggests that God allows humans to exercise their best judgment in the matter. Right? How do you know God disen't give us the right to abort, if its not in the bible?
w6: the right 2 kill some1 based on the charge that they haven't passed thru a birth canal isn't smarts. It's pure evil
sueezee: How do you know God disen't give us the right to abort, if its not in the bible?
"If men fight & hurt a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely...
and harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye..." -Exodus 21:22-24
Also, abortion was obviously not an issue in biblical times, so it would not be specifically addressed, but "The omission of such a law suggests that God allows humans to exercise their best judgment in the matter."
w6:If men fight & hurt a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely...
and harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye..." Oh yes!! promoting a miscarraige is NOT an abortion. and new babies wern't even considered people!!
the old testament is very clear on the subject.A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person' until a full thirty days after birth.
Numbers 3:15 shows that babies younger than 30 days were not counted in a census
sueezee: A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person'
You're desperate now. It does not specifically say why they were not counted, nor does it say that they were not considered people, nor be denied equal protection under the law.
sueezee: compare embryos w/ living people/new babies wern't even considered people!!
"The Lord has called Me, from the womb; From the matrix of My mother, He has made mention of My name." -Isaiah 49:1
w6:"The Lord has called Me, from the womb; From the matrix of My mother, He has made mention of My name." -Isaiah 49:1 Hell no, no aboriton mentioned there!
w6:abortion was obviously not an issue in biblical times, so it would not be specifically addressed Wrong! I don't know where its found but the bible tells of a woman who was pregnant by someone other than her husband, and she was made to "drink poison" to rid herself of that embryo.
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MrForestor 6 months ago
Ron Paul has the proven character, voting record, and constitutionally correct knowledge to know how to implement his policies that would be in favor of all Americans for the right to life and protection as living human beings. This issue should go to the State level where it belongs. Since the federal government unconstitutionally meddled in it, it is now legal in all states and states can't overturn this wrongfully ill conceived ruling of R vs W which is NO right to privacy at all.
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Obama's solution to solving the issue of abortion not being murder before birth but murder 1 minute after birth is to legalize the post birth abortions.
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Ron Paul claims to have delivered 4000 babies, but the moms just probably saw rons ugly face trying to kill her children and changed their minds at his abortion clinic. 4000 moms changed their minds about their terrorism in the womb and ron paul probably killed millions of more future terror warriors in the womb.
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DiabeticLantis 2 years ago
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how can you be "pro-life" and a libertarian? It defeats the purpose!
DancingMonkey12 2 years ago
It's quite simple. The ideals of freedom, liberty, and unalienable right are extended to the unborn fetus who, unfortunately, does not have rights under our current laws whether at 8 weeks or 8 months. By implementing equal protection to the preborn human person, it is an understanding that any individual's rights and freedoms end when they inflict harm upon someone else, namely the unborn child living in the womb.
KentKatchm 2 years ago 13
libertarian essentially means that you believe you can do whatever you want as long as you're not harming anyone. If the unborn are human, than abortion would fall under "harming someone." That's the justification for Pro-Life Libertarianism
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why... why... why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to have sex in the first place, huh?
philanderadriaan 2 years ago
Really? Your argument has absolutely no relevance!
excusemefloe32 2 years ago 4
These conservatives are so obsessed with fetuses, but once you are born, you're on your own...
philanderadriaan 2 years ago
maybe you don't really know what Ron Paul stands for. Maybe you should go to his website and you might realize you made a ignorant, general statment!
gothgirl16 1 year ago
why?
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
i was talking to tolerantrobbob. the ignorant comment he made about ron paul aborting babies!
gothgirl16 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan gay
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a
Why are you so mean :(
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan I'm just saying that argument is lame. Heard it a hundred times. That's like saying if you save someone's life, you should be held responsible for feeding and housing them.
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a but a baby cannot take care of itself :'(
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan No, but it's parents can!
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a What if the parents couldn't afford to raise a child, but forgot to pull out in time?
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan Good point. Maybe we should just kill all children whose parents can't afford to feed them.
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a I agree. Its a dirty business but thats what you gotta do if you forgot to pull out in time.
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan No, you don't. The thing to do is be an adult and take care of your child.
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a Oh, I thought you changed your mind.
Back to the issue though, I think we are forced to grow up as an adult, but we are not forced to take care of children because it is optional.
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
@philanderadriaan If you are given the opportunity to take the easy way out and run and hide from your responsibilities then you are not being forced to be an adult are you?
w6p7a 1 year ago
@w6p7a So I can just stay as a kid like a (straight) peter pan?
philanderadriaan 1 year ago
I was a 16 yr. old girl raped & expecting. I recovered from the rape with therapy, but I could never recover from killing my own baby. My son is a marvel to behold. He is very loved by his 7 half brothers & sister as well as his 12 adopted siblings. Everyone who meets him is amazed & delighted. My son brings joy to everyone and everywhere he goes, he makes it a better place. This man is exceedingly charming. We cannot even imagine our lives without his love and wit.
angelshoulders 2 years ago 12
You were raped when you were 16 PLUS you were also expecting? Christ what kind of whore were you? I mean don't complain about getting raped. If you were expecting then clearly you like sex. Plus your son has 7 "half brothers"? How many different fathers are there? You make me sick. Sleeping around and then whining when you get raped. Want some whine with your cheese?
OK Wait, are you hot? Or a pig? If you're hot I'll argue this with you. If you're a pig this is a waste of my time.
njdx1 2 years ago
njdx1...clearly you misunderstood! I was raped and found myself pregnant as a result of the rape.I was a virgin when I was violated.I then got married and had 6 children with my husband.Your comments are ignorant at best.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, in 2005, 1.21 million abortions took place in the United States. Some 42,350 of these occurred on women who were 16 to 20 weeks pregnant; over 13,310 occurred on women who were 21 weeks or more into their pregnancy. According to CDC government data, over 64,000 abortions in a year are performed on women who had had three or more previous abortions.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
If we just say.'let's make it legal because it will happen anyway'..why not extend this to child-molesting, drunk driving - or any other evil and destructive folly? There will always be those who disobey the law of the land, but this is no excuse for making a bad practice legal.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
I do believe women have more sense than to risk their own injury or even death like this. There will always be those who disobey the law of the land, but this is no excuse for making a bad practice legal. To bring this to its logical conclusion, should we make child molesting, drunk driving and drug taking legal too, just because a small minority persist in doing it? The 'butchers' are still around, buddy, only nowadays they're in the HIGH streets (PP).
angelshoulders 2 years ago
Risk injury or death? 2% risk of serious complications during an abortion is no worse than the risks associated pregnancy and birth themselves.
Because people will do it illegally has nothing to do with why it should be legal, IMO.
If you think your "logical conclusion" is logical, you don't know a damn thing about logic, to say nothing of making a valid, compelling argument.
JeffreyRodriguez 2 years ago
The other point I would now like to make is that mother Earth is currently producing enough food to sustain 13 billion human inhabitants - and this on a mere fraction of the available rain-fed arable land. Ignore the trendy media spin-misers and concentrate instead on the FACTS. In the days of horse and cart, doomsayers were predicting that the streets of Manhattan would soon be '3 feet deep in horse manure', such was the rate of development. Then along came the motor car
angelshoulders 2 years ago
There Are Up To 36 Couples Waiting For Every One Baby Placed For Adoption.
~54,500 unrelated domestic adoptions occur each year. - 23,500 infant adoptions take place annually. ~16,000 international adoptions take place each year.
adoption(dot)org
thehelpline org
angelshoulders 2 years ago
I used to be pro life but with the latest abortion doctor that was murdered in Kansas, I have had enough. I'm pro choice now.
spike14501 2 years ago
What the hell kind of reason is that? I'm pro-choice too but that's like becoming a racist because someone shot the leader of the KKK.
DrazharX 2 years ago
Only a moron like you compares an abortion doctor to the leader of the KKK.
listenbich 2 years ago
And only someone too sensitive to see the real issue behind an inaccessible example would pick such a stupid bone. Instead of examples, try attacking the arguments behind them. In case you need clarification, I was saying that switching your stance on such a complicated issue based on an emotional instinct, a sudden pang of sympathy, is a stupid thing to do. If you disagree with that idea, argue against the idea itself, don't distract from it by taking up some asinine dispute over an example.
DrazharX 2 years ago
That isn't a good reason. That doesn't even make sense. Ho does someone getting killed automatically make you want to support them?
BenjaminWirtz 2 years ago
you may think the whole fertilized egg = human notion is a superstitious, backward religious idea, but that pales in comparison to the notion that, at the moment of birth, at the very second the fetus peeks it's head out of mom's vagina, that a thunder bolt shakes the earth, a supreme court justice bangs his gavel, and the fetus miraculously becomes a human. yet for the life of me I can't tell the difference between the before and after pictures.
angelshoulders 2 years ago
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Forcing a woman to have a child she doesnt want is the republican way to feel righteous because it doesnt cost them. After the child is born homeless and unwanted republican compassion come to a halt. They vote against any measures put in place to help the child including healthcare, education, and housing assistance. They basically turn their backs as soon as theyre handed a bill. Democrats are the ones that try to help the child have a chance in life. Republicans are phony hypocrites.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
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The National We Dont Ever Get Laid Conventions. I have never met a pro-life chick that I really wanted to fuck anyway.
jbond5150 2 years ago
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Boohoo, it has a beating heart. So do raping, murdering, torturing pedophiles. But don't kill them!! They have a heartbeat. Are you serious?? Everyone says "Oh, they left it on a shelf to die, that's evil" -- so don't leave it on a shelf, kill the fucker. I promise, after you kill the thing, it won't care anymore. That's a fact. Know what else has a heartbeat?? Animals being tortured all their lives in laboratories and factory farms -- but ignore them, they're worthless pieces of shit, right??
SleepySkeptic 2 years ago
Wow, are you one angry confused person. You don't care about aborting babies. You want to kill metally depraved criminals who are no longer a danger to society because they are prisoners. "Kill the Fucker"...? "It won't care anymore" Since when is an innocent child a fucker? Anyone who tortures anmals is also an evil person. Calm down a little. How can you think straight if you are so violently angry?
paulpeiser104 2 years ago 4
I calm down when it's time to think. As you can see, I already have my opinions about killing vs torture, so I just ran off on a quick tangent. Wasn't that angry, though.
SleepySkeptic 2 years ago
but human life begins at conception so you're wrong conman it is much different from your sperm. In our Constitution it says all men are created equal. Well if life begins at conception and we are created then shouldn't it be banned?
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago 5
No, it's not, it's a little tiny spec of DNA, that does not make it a person. A zygote/embryo/fetus is not a person, an egg is not a chicken, a seed is not a flower. A person is, by definition, someone living separately and whole, a fetus does not, in any way, fit this description. And no, the right to life does not apply to them, your rights stop when they infringe on another person's rights. Otherwise, shouldn't we make rape legal if a SACK OF FLESH WITH NO SENSES can use a woman's body?
Headhunter004 2 years ago
It doesnt matter how big it is, it has the properties of a living being which is a staple in science and it has human DNA. It is alive.
mclaro725 2 years ago 4
Where are you getting this "living separately and whole" definition? Do you have a source for that?
SavedByGraceAdam 2 years ago
Wow what a great speaker, He absolutely tells it like it is. The story of the doctors putting the baby in the bucket and it was breathing and crying and everyone pretended they didn't hear it, is a great example of people being sheep. Ron Paul for president 2012!
bleyendfaith 2 years ago 2
Has nothing to do with emotions the fact that it is human life and if woman's life is not in harms way doesn't that human deserve to live? Since we put his punishment on human murders. Also it isn't just tissue it has human dna.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
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A fetus is as much of a human as your sperm is. So whenever you jerk off, your comitting the genocide of thousands of people.
conman2317 2 years ago
No.
That is the stupidest fucking thing ive ever heard. Like all of life, a fetus from the beginning is the meeting of two different reproductive cells or the splitting in two of one whole cell. Not just one basic cell, which is sperm. You idiot.
mclaro725 2 years ago
Stop all of your life vs. choice debate. It's all about different ways of economic development.
In free-market urban area, When the cost of children is high and women are allowed to work as white-collar class, abortion will be "necessary"
In rural area, when children can be easily raised, women will support pro-life
Don't argue with me with any cliche about "baby killer" or "women's choice", or any rhetoric question from lawyers. If you want ultra-capitalism, you MUST support pro-choice.
inferno0020 2 years ago
On the other hand, if you want pro-life, you have better give up urbanization and economic development.
inferno0020 2 years ago
Great Speech by a great pioneer too bad he wont make it to the top seat. Somebody much younger and more full of demand and ruthless in speech must be his succesor
mclaro725 2 years ago
there is absolutely nothing wrong with abortion...you just have to pretend like the babies were gonna grow up to be gay.
downhillfighter 3 years ago
you know, i heard jesus never made it past 16 weeks: mary had an abortion
UpValleyPacifist 3 years ago
That is a disgusting thing to say.
JediSurvivorOrder66 2 years ago
no, it's true... i saw it on a history channel special. it was called "mary and the coat hanger"
UpValleyPacifist 2 years ago
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GodIsReal101 3 years ago
Pro life and pro war. Fuckin hypocrites
Oody61 3 years ago
anti-violence and pro-abortion. hypocrites
nonrepublicrat 3 years ago 2
3:25-3:33...wow. How can anyone hear that story and still be pro abortion? How can anyone consider something that can cry and breathe just a fetus?? That's a baby. And that's murder.
Supergirl492 3 years ago 8
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Abortions are funny.
oldcabbage4846177 3 years ago
I love Ron Paul
Lanais2 3 years ago
We are not pro-life. We are beyond pro-choice. We are pro-abortion. You will terminate your excessive pregnancies immediately, or face an over populated planet. When this occurs we will have no other choice but to destroy you all via nuclear holocaust. You have been given fair warning.
xXNuclearWarXx 3 years ago
pro choice
we already have so many damn babies. espesically in other countries! if only condom use was more used..
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xxhotguy77xx 3 years ago
That is just the conclusion I've come to louiethegreat. I would suggest that you read "Reclaiming Conservatism" by Mickey Edwards... the first section in particular, it's called "The Conservative Soul" I think you'll find it incredible insightful and interesting... also, helpful to your pro-life advocacy! God bless.
sockrahtease 3 years ago
I am a dedicated pro life advocate. Recently I thought about how many pro life presidents we have had in the last few election cycles. Do you know that all the Supreme Court Justices, except two, were appointed by pro-life presidents. Ever ask yourself why Row-v-Wade has never been overturned? Could it be that we (pro-lifers) are being hoodwinked by these candidates that just want the christian vote. The use their platform to spread the globalist ideology.
louiethegreater 3 years ago
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Pro-Life is really anti-choice
Xerxes4242 3 years ago
So then it follows that pro-choice is anti-life, then doesn't it?
davecyco 3 years ago 6
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Not at all. Sperm are all technically living, bacteria is all technically living, the food we eat was once living, so if you are going to believe that bollocks, everyone on the planet is anti-life.
Xerxes4242 3 years ago
you're ignorant. life begins AT conception. not before, not after. bacteria and sperm dont become fully developed human babies after 9 months. the embryo isnt a thing. its a human being in the embryonic stage of development. Dont just think, think critically.
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
voice:. the embryo isnt a thing. its a human being Wrong. An embryo/fetus isn't a human of being until birth.
voice:Dont just think, think critically. Don't just think, think intelligently.
sueezee 3 years ago
oh man. please. think before speaking. look up gianna jessen and the oldenburg baby on google or wikipedia or something. there's still some pro-aborts out there who actually still think life begins at birth? thats hilarious and sad. life beginning at conception has been a fact in embryology for the last 20 years. an embryo is a human being in the embryonic stage of development. to splice that life open and throw it into the garbage is an act of murder and if a candidate supports it theyre disqua
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
voice:gianna jessen
I know all about that money making machine! She cant even comprehend her own non existance from an abortion, but she can damn sure make you idgits believe she is special because she was not aborted.You are a sucker, and ignorant.
voice:embryo is a human being
Liar!if it were a human being it would have rights as we all do, and it has NONE!
voice:act of murder
LIAR.Why do you lie?Is it because the TRUTH is what made abortion legal,& your trying the opposite?
sueezee 3 years ago
how about the oldenburg baby? or the countless others? you know you're gonna have to give up the birth hypothesis. it's failed to many times.
//if it were a human being it would have rights as we all do, and it has NONE!//
funny, people said the same about blacks and jews. pro-life is a fight for human rights. it's not a fight about an abortion law. human rights ought to begin when human life begins.
It is an act of murder. Ill take a gynecologist's or an embryologist's word over yours
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
voice:human rights ought to begin when human life begins. tell us how we can give an embryo the right to free speech, to assemble, the freedom of press,the right to own property, and all the rest of the rights we are given? It can't work. never in the history of this counrty(or most others) could a fetus been given rights.
voice: people said the same about blacks and jews You can't compare human beings w/embryos.
sueezee 3 years ago
there are only 4 differences between born humans and unborn humans:
1) size
2) stage of development
3) level of dependency
4) location/environment
These reasons arent good enough to justify killing a person. And your argument is garbage because people dont get the right to vote until they're 18, which is when they're suited for it according to the government. rights like the kind you're talking about are based on qualifications or age, not stage of development. but we all have the right
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago 2
voice:These reasons arent good enough to justify killing a person
A fetus isn't a person.
voice: rights like the kind you're talking about are based on qualifications or age, not stage of development. but we all have the right
Stage of developement is irrelevant in the realm of abortion. It IS age we go by. No age...no right! One day old... rights!
v: argument is garbage because people dont get the right to vote until they're 18,
OMG! It means Only BORN people can vote!
sueezee 3 years ago
v>there are only 4 differences between born humans and unborn humans:
1) size
2) stage of development
3) level of dependency
4) location/environment Wrong. The unborn don't have rights. In the law,& what we know that makes us alive is our ability to participate in society,or at least be recognized as a member of society.Fetuses are excluded both by necessity and custom.There can be no meaningful social participation for someone cocooned inside another's body.
sueezee 3 years ago
who better to consult than the embryologist? i think when it comes to this debate, maybe they know what they're talking about more than Peter Singer or Sam Harris, and maybe we should listen to them telling us its a fact instead of pretentious filibustering.
why cant a child have the same rights a day before they're born as they do a day after they're born?
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
voice: who better to consult than the embryologist For what?
voice:why cant a child have the same rights a day before they're born as they do a day after they're born? Right to what? Free speech?
sueezee 3 years ago
for what an embryo is (which is a human being in the embryonic stage of development).
okay, so until a baby can talk it shouldnt have rights is what you're saying.
look i realize you might have a personal stake in this, but im sorry that i cant be responsible for your behaviour. nothing will ever change the fact that life begins at conception.
VoiceOfModeration 3 years ago
voice:nothing will ever change the fact that life begins at conception. nothing will ever change the fact that when life begins dosen't matter. When one becomes a human being is th eONLY thing that counts.
sueezee 3 years ago
So what your saying is, that the only way you have the right to do something (speak freely, assemble, own property, etc.) is if you have the physical ability?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:So what your saying is, that the only way you have the right to do something (speak freely, assemble, own property, etc.) is if you have the physical ability Nope, it needs to be born.
sueezee 3 years ago
One more time to be clear-you think that nobody can have any rights that they are not physically able to exercise?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:One more time to be clear-you think that nobody can have any rights that they are not physically able to exercise? Stop the game ! I'm too smart for you. They do NOT need to be physically able to have the freedom of rights. I never said that. Because there are many ways a mute person can have the freedom tto speak, or a legless person to assemble, or a handless person to write...but, they STILL have to be born.
sueezee 3 years ago
Then what was the point u were making in using those examples of rights in regards 2 an embryo? U know what-I don't even care. What u don't understand is that rights r not govt-given. "We" don't give any1 rights. God does. The DOI even proclaims that we are "endowed by our creator". Most understand that regardless of what they believe the creator(origin of life) is, & belief in the right 2 kill some1 based on the charge that they haven't passed thru a birth canal isn't smarts. It's pure evil!
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:. Then what was the point u were making in using those examples of rights in regards 2 an embryo? Listen, YOU started the "physical ability" stuff. That was NOT my idea. YOu just didn't like that a fetus dosen't have the freedom of speech.
w6:rights r not govt-given.
Then where do they come from? McDonalds?
w6:The DOI even proclaims that we are "endowed by our creator" with CERTAIN INAILABLE RIGHTS!! So our creator gave us CERTAIN rights? Which ones?
sueezee 3 years ago
suzee: Then where do they (rights)come from? McDonalds?
Do you honestly think that the GOVT gives you rights?
suzee: CERTAIN rights? Which ones?
"that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
squeeze: Evil to whom?
Good point! Hitler didn't think he was doing evil when he killed millions of Jews, either.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:Do you honestly think that the GOVT gives you rights? The US govt gave us abortion rights.
w6:that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness That had NEVER included fetuses
w6:Hitler For christs sake people, why do you bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people. get somehting better or fail!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: That had NEVER included fetuses
Show me where in the founding documents that "fetuses" were specifically excluded.
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: why do you bring up an insane man
Am I hitting too close to home?
sueezee: The US govt gave us abortion rights
Govt cant give rights, only restrict them. Example: depriving and unborn's right to live.
You know, I'm sure Hitler came up with some pretty creative, yet outlandish theorys to justify the atrocities he committed as well.
w6p7a 3 years ago
sue: the Lord casually orders Moses to massacre 24,000 Israelites
Clearly, the bible is not pro-life!!
Clearly youve taken this out of context, neglecting to mention, he did this out of anger towards Isreal, because "the people began to commit harlotry... and bowed down to their gods" -Numbers 25:1-3This has no correlation with abortion whatsoever! Is wasnt about abortion is a was about you dear lords love of life...any life!! Which does NOT exist!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: Is wasnt about abortion is a was about you dear lords love of life...any life!! Which does NOT exist!
This is a perfect example of irrational: Someone who cannot differentiate between rightous people and people who are continually disobedient to God.
Oh, and by the way, God loves all people, even you.
"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16
w6p7a 3 years ago
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w6:"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
" And, laying a finger aside of his nose, UP the chimney he rose". The Night Before Christmas: pg 18
and stop cutting & pasting biblical verses like you KNOW what you're talking about.. you professed "christain" who has to look up verses. Hell, even I wouldnt have had to look THAT one up! Guess you need MORE bible study.
sueezee 3 years ago
Excuse me for using a passage that was an appropriate response to: is a was about you dear lords love of life...any life!! Which does NOT exist!
Besides if you know this one, you should know that God IS a loving god, so why are YOU so hateful?
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: Guess you need MORE bible study
Being a Christian means accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. You don't have to be a Bible scholar and I never said that I was.
It seems to me that you are running out of what even you should consider legitimate reasons to criticize me.
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: compare embryos w/ living people/A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person'
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you." -Jeremiah 1:5
"When Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb." -Luke 1:41
"...leaped in my womb for joy" -Luke 1:44
Can a non-living, non-person leap for joy?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:When Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb." -Luke 1:41
"...leaped in my womb for joy" hahaha, NOTHING to do with abortion!! You cant do it ..its not there.....stop embarrassing yourself!!
w6:Can a non-living, non-person leap for joy
Were did you see me mention LIVING PERSON. I said it was not CONSIDERED a person.. I hate dumb people & those who cant read,. Good bye!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: Were did you see me mention LIVING PERSON
Stop spinning! U'll get dizzy & puke.
Read your following text: why do u bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people
What did u call me again? "Dumb"?
& u never did reference a passage that specifically says those children weren't considered people. U never answer the question either, cause any RATIONAL person would know it has everything 2 do with abortion. Can a non-living, non-prson leap 4 joy
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:Stop spinning! U'll get dizzy & puke Stop running from the question & answer it. WHERE did you see me say Living person? You didn't. !
w6:specifically says those children weren't considered people. They aren't!! look it up if you're not scared to death of the truth.
w6: Can a non-living, non-prson leap 4 joy NO...fetuses dont know joy OR sadness.
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: look it up if you're not scared to death of the truth
Where do you want me to look for it? The phonebook? The bottom of my shoe?
Would you please give me a reference that specifically states that "A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person' until a full thirty days after birth."!?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:You're going to have to do better than that I never do less that the best, and I don't HAVE to do anything...abortion is legal and thuths made it that way
sueezee 3 years ago
w6:please give me a reference that specifically states that "A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person' until a full thirty days after birth
Numbers 3:15 shows that babies younger than 30 days were not even counted in a census
sueezee 3 years ago
sz: Numbers 3:15 shows that babies younger than 30 days were not even counted in a census
Give it a rest! God is not on your side! It does not say that the children weren't considered persons.
If a farmer sent into his henhouse to count all the brown eggs that were laid, would that mean that the white eggs weren't eggs? Does that mean that he gave you the okay to smash them?
Do i have to draw you a picture?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6: Can a non-living, non-prson leap 4 joy
sueezee: NO...fetuses dont know joy OR sadness.
So what you are saying is that babe in Elizabeth's womb had to have been a living person, not just a "fetus", seems he felt joy.
Very good! You are making progress.
And for the record, I asked my 5 year old son if he felt joy or sadness when he was in the womb & he said, & I quote: "I was happy."
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:So what you are saying is that babe in Elizabeth's womb had to have been a living person, I've told you ten times. Its living but its not a person, dumbass!
w6: I asked my 5 year old son if he felt joy or sadness when he was in the womb & he said, & I quote: "I was happy Poor kid has an idiot for a parent! Did you expect a rational answer?
sueezee 3 years ago
sz:I've told you ten times. Its living but its not a person, dumbass
you admitted 1 time that a fetus cannot feel joy or sadness, therefore the babe in elizabeths womb had to have been a person. who's the dumbass?
w6p7a 3 years ago
sz: Its living but its not a person, dumbass
Once again you resort to insults and name calling because your content is so shallow and weak. "Wah, Wah, it's not a person. Wah". Yeah I get your stupid argument, but still you've got nothing for me. Any rational person knows that a person can only be pregnant with another person, not a puppy or a monkey, or a fish. You can say it is not a person all day long, but you cannot possibly prove it.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:Once again you resort to insults and name calling because your content is so shallow and weak. The "content" was enough to make abortion legal. Give it a rest.. Bow out gracefully!
sueezee 3 years ago
No. I don't want to. Even though murdering babies is presently "legal", "my group" and I are going to keep campaigning against it. I know it bothers you, but too bad.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:Even though murdering babies
murder is simply a legal term for an ILLegal kiilling...abortion is LEGAL so not murder.
LOL, I wonder if you REALLY cant comprehend that!
sueezee 3 years ago
sz: murder is simply a legal term for an ILLegal kiilling...abortion is LEGAL so not murder.
U.S. Constitution, Amendment 5: No person shall... be deprived of life, without due process of law.
w6: No person
Spare the argument. It's a person and you know it.
Go Cardinals!
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:S. Constitution, Amendment 5: No person shall. A fetus is NOT A PERSON! Why don't you learn the laws of this country before speaking.
w6:It's a person Sweetheart, its THIS simple. if it were a person, abortion would be TOTALLY illegal, NO questions asked because only killing persons and human beings is ILLEGAL. They are neither, and you can continue to belive what you want and not take pride in a damned thing you say. Which will get you NOWHERE...goodbye
sueezee 3 years ago
You say it will get me NOWHERE, but you must feel that your abortion "rights" are threatened by me and my "group" because you seem to be awfully concerned about what I think or say. If not, just let it go. Go have a rootbeer float or something.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6: I asked my 5 year old son if he felt joy or sadness when he was in the womb & he said, & I quote: "I was happy Poor kid has an idiot for a parent!
sz: Did you expect a rational answer?
that is no more rational than u saying that a "fetus" cannot feel joy or sadness. Did 1 tell u that?
w6p7a 3 years ago
sz: Poor kid
So you think he would have been better off with parents that believe in killing children?
sz: idiot dumbass
again, I know that you cannot handle the agony of defeat, but why are you so hateful?
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:I know that you cannot handle the agony of defeat Defeat my ass! Abortion is legal! We won.
sueezee 3 years ago
I'm so glad that you are happy for your victory. You should be proud of yourself you know, being able to feel proud when you've just make murder legal. Great job.
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sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: Defeat my ass! Abortion is legal! We won.
Game's not over yet. Sooner or later, in one way or another, everyone is going to realize that abortion is wrong. Mark my words.
And you know, for being so convinced that abortion is right and that the "legalities" will never change, you seem awfully concerned about what pro-lifers think.
sueezee: I hate
I now completely understand why you are pro-abortion.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:Game's not over yet hahahahha. game over......Abortion is legal! We won.
sueezee 3 years ago
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sueezee 3 years ago
w6:a "fetus" cannot feel joy or sadness I know
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: God disen't give us the right to abort
Good call!
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: God disen't give us the right to abort
w6Good call! I didnt' say that dumbass
sueezee 3 years ago
sz: I didnt' say that
oh, suzy, suzy, suzy. Yes you did.
sz: dumbass
You really should stop insulting me for your own lack of intelligence.
w6p7a 3 years ago
God gives us the right to free will. not everything is God's will. if it were God's will there would be no death...there would be no abortion
somecoolcat53 2 years ago
If you want Christianity and pro-life, you must give up capitalism, free-market, and urbanization. Will you?
If your answer is "yes". Congratulation.
inferno0020 2 years ago
how do you know that fetus cant feel emotions?
aurilcia 2 years ago 3
aur:how do you know that fetus cant feel emotions? You're right! I was watching David Letterman one night and I swear I heard my sisters fetus dying laughing at his jokes. And, Sis was reading a sad story one day and the fetus started crying. You may be right...... gezzz
sueezee 2 years ago
youre so sure it cant? Then congratulations for being so educated, because even the best specialists arent sure when the fetus starts feeling pain or emotions. Besides, dont naroow human emotions to just crying or laughing, cause you dont have to show your emotions to feel them. You dont know whats on my mind right now, the same way you cant say what fetus is thinking and wheterit is thinking or not.
aurilcia 2 years ago
aur: because even the best specialists arent sure when the fetus starts feeling pain or emotions Its irrelevant anyway.
aur:the same way you cant say what fetus is thinking On my god! Thinking is the act of REASONING... from knowledge & evidence we KNOW...to use the mind for processin information, to arrive at conclusion! f a fetus knows nothing( or will you say he does?) what the hell is there to think of? Dogs? he dosen't know a dog. His mom? Nope
sueezee 2 years ago
sueezee: I hate dumb people & those who cant read
Ah! The last resort. You've realized that you have no basis for your position on the issue and your arguments are futile. So, you're trying to save face by insulting me and calling me names. I thought you said you were too smart for me.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:You've realized that you have no basis for your position The "basis" of MY position is what made abortion legal. If YOUR position was logical abortion wold be illegal.
w6: thought you said you were too smart for me. MY ideas are the BASIS for abortion legalities. Now, who is smart? LOL
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: MY ideas are the BASIS for abortion legalities.
I didn't say nothing about the basis 4 abortion legalities. Read the text! I said u have no basis for your position on the issue, no way of justifying it, & "The "basis" of MY position is what made abortion legal" does not define the basis of your opinion. Thats like defining "car" by saying "A car went off the road". I know that the ideas...
w6p7a 3 years ago
I know that the ideas of insane or evil people are the basis for abortion.
sueezee: MY ideas are the BASIS for abortion legalities
That's like saying "some guy murdered his wife tonight, but its okay, because he put thoght into why and how he was going to do it."
Give me a break! You're going to have to do better than that.
w6p7a 3 years ago
Let me simplify. I am probably making this way too complicated for you.
The ideas of people like you have lead to legalized abortion, but you cannot explain what gives you the "idea" that it is okay to butcher an unborn child.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:The ideas of people like you have lead to legalized abortion Horray!!
w6:but you cannot explain what gives you the "idea" that it is okay to butcher an unborn child. becaue individual women WANT to, & KNOW its ok.
sueezee 3 years ago
w6:The ideas of people like you have lead to legalized abortion, And I'll bet you why you & your "group" have not managed to make it illegal after 37 years of trying. What does that tell you? I'll bet it tells you NOTHING!
sueezee 3 years ago
It tells me that i dont have to worry because Jesus will come soon and rescue my "group" from wicked people like you. I pray though that you come to your senses beforehand and I can see you there... So you can thank me.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6: You can say it is not a person all day long, but you cannot possibly prove it.
I'm gonna cover your response to this 1 ahead of time.
sz: I don't have to prove nothing because its already legal.
So what, my "group" will still do everything in our power to change that. It being legal does not make it right. I know it's wrong. There is nothing you can do or say that will convince me otherwise, because I am a sane, rational person. U R not!
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: For christs sake
I'm sure that it is frustrating to realize that you are wrong, but you really shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain.
-Exodus 20:7
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:
I'm sure that it is frustrating to realize that you are wrong hahah, I KNEW you would have NO rational reply, but instead You use use your CHRISTIAN "holier than thou" control to try to make ME feel bad. It wont work buddy!
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: You use use your CHRISTIAN "holier than thou" control
Hey look, I tried 2 approach this from a constitutional standpoint, thinking that u probably weren't a Christian & I was accomidating 2 that when I said "origin of life". U R the 1 who brought the bible in2 this. I only mentioned God when refering 2 the founding principal stated in the DOI, that our rights are natural rights, not govt-given.
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: NO rational reply
U R actually calling me IRRATIONAL!? That's hilarious! You've been playing that game all along. If I stoop to your level of reasoning, we could continue this to no end. You just can't handle the fact that I am beating you at your own game.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:! You've been playing that game all along. I dont have to play games,,..... abortion is legal for a reason! be a big boy & find out why
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: be a big boy
That's exactly what I do. I take responsibility for my actions by loving and caring for my children and NOT MURDERING THEM!
w6p7a 3 years ago
sueezee: WHERE DID YOU SEE ME SAY LIVING PERSON?
Recognize this?: For christs sake people, why do you bring up an insane man, in another counrty, and compare embryos w/ living people. get somehting better or fail!
You did say "living people", not "living person." I apologize for not knowing we were being so technical, but "people" IS a plural form of the word "person".
-Webster's Dictionary, Fourth Edition, page 532
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:I said u have no basis for your position on the issue, no way of justifying it, For christ sake, there needs to be NO justification to believe abortion is good!! Thats like saying justify eating ice cream.... Because its good too! You damned sure stoop some rediculous ideas.
sueezee 3 years ago
sz: abortion is good
Maybe all women should go out and get pregnant, just so they can get an abortion. I mean if abortion is so good, we might as well make a national festival out of it.
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:We" don't give any1 rights. God does I if God thought the issue was important, he would have made sure to include such a law in the Bible. The omission of such a law suggests that God allows humans to exercise their best judgment in the matter. Right? How do you know God disen't give us the right to abort, if its not in the bible?
w6: the right 2 kill some1 based on the charge that they haven't passed thru a birth canal isn't smarts. It's pure evil
Evil to whom?
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: How do you know God disen't give us the right to abort, if its not in the bible?
"If men fight & hurt a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely...
and harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye..." -Exodus 21:22-24
Also, abortion was obviously not an issue in biblical times, so it would not be specifically addressed, but "The omission of such a law suggests that God allows humans to exercise their best judgment in the matter."
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:If men fight & hurt a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely...
and harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye..." Oh yes!! promoting a miscarraige is NOT an abortion. and new babies wern't even considered people!!
the old testament is very clear on the subject.A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person' until a full thirty days after birth.
Numbers 3:15 shows that babies younger than 30 days were not counted in a census
sueezee 3 years ago
sueezee: A baby wasn't considered to be 'a person'
You're desperate now. It does not specifically say why they were not counted, nor does it say that they were not considered people, nor be denied equal protection under the law.
sueezee: compare embryos w/ living people/new babies wern't even considered people!!
"The Lord has called Me, from the womb; From the matrix of My mother, He has made mention of My name." -Isaiah 49:1
w6p7a 3 years ago
w6:"The Lord has called Me, from the womb; From the matrix of My mother, He has made mention of My name." -Isaiah 49:1 Hell no, no aboriton mentioned there!
sueezee 3 years ago
w6:abortion was obviously not an issue in biblical times, so it would not be specifically addressed Wrong! I don't know where its found but the bible tells of a woman who was pregnant by someone other than her husband, and she was made to "drink poison" to rid herself of that embryo.