@PublicSnapShot I'm not aware of it being a common saying, but this is a video response to somebody who tried to use this as reason to support their argument for the position that babies cannot considered atheist or theist. I felt that a detailed analysis of the meaning of the phrase was necessary to highlight the main flaw in said argument. :)
@huruey well.. then I understand better xD BTW it's more of a metaphor :) I know I said it was a saying n'all but I'm guessing you can follow my drift ;)
@huruey I dont know who this video was supposed to be a respond to, but i think he was refering to "light" as good and "darkness" as evil, or am I wrong?
I've looked at the map, counted al fifty, but I haven't found this state called "Darkness". Maybe it's in Mexico, or in Germany, I know they have states.
Darkness does not EXIST - it is a perception gleaned from our awareness of light. We could not conceive of darkness if light did not exist. We understand what we MEAN when referring to darkness, but there is no actual THING that IS darkness. In mathematics, there would be no variable to represent light if light did not exist - no bit to set to indicate presence or absence thereof. Somehow, many people seem entirely incapable of comprehending this concept itself.
@JamesMorlan Darkness is a state. It is the state of no light. The STATE of darkness does exist. With this in mind, reconsider what I say in the video.
@JamesMorlan by your logic dry does not exist, without wet no one would ever be dry?. Darkness is the what we have when we have an absence of electromagnetic radiation, just as the state of something being dry "dryness" is what we have when there is an absence of liquid.
@TheRenekruse Without liquid, the concept of dry would not be conceived. We know what is MEANT when describing something as dry, only because we know what it means to be wet. Without that, we can't understand anything to be dry as there is no comparative "state" to bring it to our attention. Dry is not some tangible thing that actually EXISTS - it's a CONCEPT. If you're one of those people who are incapable of comprehending this, I'm afraid I can't help you.
@JamesMorlan You seem to be saying that if something doesn't exist physically, then it doesn't exist? Previously, you were arguing in favour of not calling babies atheists. Does your current argument not also conclude that we should not call ANYBODY atheists? Or theists? Or even living?
@huruey What I'm saying is, people throw words around - like atheist - as if that describes what someone IS. But, if all it takes is to not have something, then what the fuck are they describing? If the definition of atheist is merely a lack of a belief in God, then nobody IS an atheist - you can't describe what an atheist is without including the God concept - it doesn't stand independently. It's strictly a comparative statement, relevant only in the context of religion.
@huruey A theist is something you can be, because it requires a conscious, active, intentional influence to become aware of the concept (whether the actual thing - i.e. God - exists or not) - it is a construct that you can carry in your mind - something that, guess what, other people might not agree with or be aware of.
@JamesMorlan We can carry the concept of dryness in our minds just as we carry the concept of theism in our minds. You do not have to be able to attribute the concept to yourself in order for the concept to exist and be meaningful in discussion.
@huruey Yes. I understand that. We have the concepts...because we have the concepts. We understand what they mean. Just understand that when you're talking about things that don't actually exist, that they don't actually exist. Everything we understand about this universe is perception - everything enters through our senses and into our minds. Just don't be so pompous to think that everything one defines is actually tangible, or even correct. Maintain perspective is all I'm saying.
@JamesMorlan At no point did I say that anything we can define must be tangible. Correct, on the other hand, depends on what you mean by correct. Also, I have already addressed your other points. Could you please look back at my comment starting "You seem to be saying that if something doesn't exist physically, then it doesn't exist?" and either revise your answer, or explain why my rebuttal to your previous answer is wrong, as you haven't done this, yet.
@huruey Sorry if you missed my point, but define what you mean by "exists". We know light exists, because it is measurable. We only know darkness, because we have the ability to see light, and we have an experience of how things seem when no light is present. We REFER to the absence of light as darkness - but there is no substance, no THING that can be measured, that IS darkness. It does not exist in the physical universe. But our CONCEPT of it exists, at least as a mental construct.
@huruey ...For darkness is purely a conceptual entity. It has no tangible, measurable properties - just like dry and cold. Dry and cold are relative CONCEPTS that we experience as a reduction or absence of water or heat energy. Water we can measure - heat we can measure - right down to absolute zero. We can EXPERIENCE dryness and cold, but these are EFFECTS of the removal of water and heat and not, in and of themselves, tangible, measurable things. They don't literally exist.
@JamesMorlan your comment doesnt exist, as without without the state of you not having left it I would not know what it meant for you to have left it, therefor your comment does not exist, RETARD. welcome to the world of your logic
@sykeo123 I can't help it if your capacity to understand is nil. Laugh if you want. Just sit in the corner and laugh and laugh and laugh. Double over until you cry and it hurts to laugh anymore but you can't help it because you think it's so goddamn funny as shit that it ought to be featured on a popular TV show that capitalizes on schadenfreude. Keep on laughing until everyone stops and stares, wondering WTF is wrong with you. Oh, wait - that's already the case. Never mind.
you take the saying way to serious :)
PublicSnapShot 6 months ago
@PublicSnapShot I'm not aware of it being a common saying, but this is a video response to somebody who tried to use this as reason to support their argument for the position that babies cannot considered atheist or theist. I felt that a detailed analysis of the meaning of the phrase was necessary to highlight the main flaw in said argument. :)
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey well.. then I understand better xD BTW it's more of a metaphor :) I know I said it was a saying n'all but I'm guessing you can follow my drift ;)
PublicSnapShot 6 months ago
@huruey I dont know who this video was supposed to be a respond to, but i think he was refering to "light" as good and "darkness" as evil, or am I wrong?
RawSwedishMeatball 2 months ago
@RawSwedishMeatball There's a link to the video I'm responding to below the video.
huruey 2 months ago
+1 good video.
wormsto 6 months ago
@huruey
I've looked at the map, counted al fifty, but I haven't found this state called "Darkness". Maybe it's in Mexico, or in Germany, I know they have states.
Quintinohthree 6 months ago
@Quintinohthree Look up the definitions for state, and work out which one you think applies, then look up the equivocation fallacy.
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey
It's a joke, a much more clever one than I thought, though still far from good.
Quintinohthree 6 months ago
@Quintinohthree My apologies, I've been spending too much time with people who actually make such arguments :P.
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey
I know, I know, it's al right. I've had similar arguments.
Quintinohthree 6 months ago
@huruey Badabing. Perfect answer. :)
BionicDance 6 months ago
Darkness does not EXIST - it is a perception gleaned from our awareness of light. We could not conceive of darkness if light did not exist. We understand what we MEAN when referring to darkness, but there is no actual THING that IS darkness. In mathematics, there would be no variable to represent light if light did not exist - no bit to set to indicate presence or absence thereof. Somehow, many people seem entirely incapable of comprehending this concept itself.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan Darkness is a state. It is the state of no light. The STATE of darkness does exist. With this in mind, reconsider what I say in the video.
huruey 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan That was an Incredible smart way if saying something Incredibly stupid.
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan by your logic dry does not exist, without wet no one would ever be dry?. Darkness is the what we have when we have an absence of electromagnetic radiation, just as the state of something being dry "dryness" is what we have when there is an absence of liquid.
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
@TheRenekruse Without liquid, the concept of dry would not be conceived. We know what is MEANT when describing something as dry, only because we know what it means to be wet. Without that, we can't understand anything to be dry as there is no comparative "state" to bring it to our attention. Dry is not some tangible thing that actually EXISTS - it's a CONCEPT. If you're one of those people who are incapable of comprehending this, I'm afraid I can't help you.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan You seem to be saying that if something doesn't exist physically, then it doesn't exist? Previously, you were arguing in favour of not calling babies atheists. Does your current argument not also conclude that we should not call ANYBODY atheists? Or theists? Or even living?
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey What I'm saying is, people throw words around - like atheist - as if that describes what someone IS. But, if all it takes is to not have something, then what the fuck are they describing? If the definition of atheist is merely a lack of a belief in God, then nobody IS an atheist - you can't describe what an atheist is without including the God concept - it doesn't stand independently. It's strictly a comparative statement, relevant only in the context of religion.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@huruey A theist is something you can be, because it requires a conscious, active, intentional influence to become aware of the concept (whether the actual thing - i.e. God - exists or not) - it is a construct that you can carry in your mind - something that, guess what, other people might not agree with or be aware of.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan We can carry the concept of dryness in our minds just as we carry the concept of theism in our minds. You do not have to be able to attribute the concept to yourself in order for the concept to exist and be meaningful in discussion.
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey Yes. I understand that. We have the concepts...because we have the concepts. We understand what they mean. Just understand that when you're talking about things that don't actually exist, that they don't actually exist. Everything we understand about this universe is perception - everything enters through our senses and into our minds. Just don't be so pompous to think that everything one defines is actually tangible, or even correct. Maintain perspective is all I'm saying.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan At no point did I say that anything we can define must be tangible. Correct, on the other hand, depends on what you mean by correct. Also, I have already addressed your other points. Could you please look back at my comment starting "You seem to be saying that if something doesn't exist physically, then it doesn't exist?" and either revise your answer, or explain why my rebuttal to your previous answer is wrong, as you haven't done this, yet.
huruey 6 months ago
@huruey Sorry if you missed my point, but define what you mean by "exists". We know light exists, because it is measurable. We only know darkness, because we have the ability to see light, and we have an experience of how things seem when no light is present. We REFER to the absence of light as darkness - but there is no substance, no THING that can be measured, that IS darkness. It does not exist in the physical universe. But our CONCEPT of it exists, at least as a mental construct.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@huruey ...For darkness is purely a conceptual entity. It has no tangible, measurable properties - just like dry and cold. Dry and cold are relative CONCEPTS that we experience as a reduction or absence of water or heat energy. Water we can measure - heat we can measure - right down to absolute zero. We can EXPERIENCE dryness and cold, but these are EFFECTS of the removal of water and heat and not, in and of themselves, tangible, measurable things. They don't literally exist.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan You are a fucking retard
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
@TheRenekruse At least I get paid for it.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan your comment doesnt exist, as without without the state of you not having left it I would not know what it meant for you to have left it, therefor your comment does not exist, RETARD. welcome to the world of your logic
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
@TheRenekruse Well, by your logic, it seems you don't exist. That must explain why you don't understand.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan I was playing you. you retarded pile of poo, but I am glad that you now see how silly your argument is.
TheRenekruse 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan
lol you still talking dumb shit.... lolol
you are like a joke... you have to be.
sykeo123 6 months ago
@sykeo123 I can't help it if your capacity to understand is nil. Laugh if you want. Just sit in the corner and laugh and laugh and laugh. Double over until you cry and it hurts to laugh anymore but you can't help it because you think it's so goddamn funny as shit that it ought to be featured on a popular TV show that capitalizes on schadenfreude. Keep on laughing until everyone stops and stares, wondering WTF is wrong with you. Oh, wait - that's already the case. Never mind.
JamesMorlan 6 months ago
@JamesMorlan
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sykeo123 6 months ago