Christ was a Madhu (honey) Dugdha (milk) Vijnana (vegan) PrasadAryan!! Vijnana is practically following. In this example it is following Garden of Eden diet prescribed by God. "Essene. COM/GospelofPeace "book! "We Give Christ All Honor"
strilas shame is endless.. he said the krishans dearest are those who are masters and speak the truth, then he got a heartattack in the boat towards his path of speaking not following the directions of the gita that is: not leave the place one is born, vrindavan., oh my god what shame.. then he spoke of the end of the world with water whilest krishna said the opposite, that is the birth of this planet was in darkness meaning ice cold snow rain.
The CIA and the racist western secret organizations conspire and murdered this great soul. They felt his spiritual movement (non-evangelical) was spreading like wildfire all over the world and poses a danger to their corrupt political, cultural and organized religious system. These satanic dogs planted child molesters and murderers in PRABHUPADAS movement to blemish his good name and take over and destroy the Hare Krisna movement.
People don't even understand what they see with their physical eyes, the most obvious what is seen there, how can they start then to even comprehend anything higher in wisdom and truth..
Im sorry, but I must disagree on something I have seen. The highest and loftiest emotion a person may feel (this is universal) is LOVE. Allow me to cite the christian the lion video, or go look at your pet dog sometime. These animals DO understand love, therefore can understand god.
@Arminsaf2 No, human beings can surrender to God, animals still have nonsense motives, therefore they cannot surrender to God which is all and if you surrender to him, he does You as you are a tiny particle of God, but if you let him do you, you'll be perfect, that's a fact.
@LetGoToGrowth Hmmm. First, human beings are no different from animals in material form as far as desire. According to Srila in his book "Beyond Illusion and doubt," We are all the same god "soul" reincarnated in different matter. So first, how do you know it is not the animals that have surrendered to god, and we are the one holding back. Everything you have said is a subjective belief. For instance, your last statement says that we are not perfect. That is not a fact. We are perfect with
@LetGoToGrowth with imperfect desires and this is what Srila says is our pathto god, is to submit then cleanse of unhealthy desire. You also imply that animals have nonsense motives. Srila believes sex is for procreation only. Animals procreate, so they have actual pure motives as well. Srila says we must submit to God, for his is our dualism of perfection. We are impefect therefore He is. I agree with your statement that we are all small particles of God,
@Arminsaf2 If the knowledge you take comes from the side of perfection, then you become perfect.And the simple way to determine that is by checking your heart, lung area, if you feel like electric around there, and really happy and ready to jump around and love and forgive, and overall be happy, then you know you're on the right path. So that's what the human beings can do, and we think that animals because of their instinct are smarter. Human beings can percieve much higher vibrational things.
@Arminsaf2 Yet it's true that we have forgotten to experience, we just speculate things mentally. If you just look around and just THINK and INTELLECTUALIZE things around you, there's no point about anything anymore.
You have to look and see that everything that you ever wanted to know was already in front of you, whole knowledge of deeper understanding of everything without taking just a scientific approach which ussually leaves no point of truth and understanding, just merely an illusion.
@LetGoToGrowth you are literally using the scientific method and socratic method to rationalize that a desire to need objective truth is an illusion. IT IS NOT AN ILLUSION. I have all desire to need to know, WITHOUT the use of just faith (look up the definition to faith). How can we forget to experience? we are always experiencing events, but we forget to be AWARE of this experience. I agree with your principle, but just find that your explaining it incorrectly. I might be wrong.
Jaya Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada! Nama Om Visnu Padaya Krsna Presthaya Bhutale Srimate Bhaktivedanta Svamin Iti Namine Namas Te Sarasvate Deve Gaura Vani Pracarine Nirivisesa Sunyavadi Pascatya Desa Tarine! Sri Nityananda Prabhu Ki Jaya! Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Ki Jaya! Sri Sri Jagannatha Baladeva Subhadra ki Jaya! Sri Sri Radha Krsna Ki Jaya! Sri Narasimhadeva Ki Jaya! Sri Hanumanji Ki Jaya!
The CIA and the racist western secret organizations conspire and murdered this great soul. They felt his spiritual movement (non-evangelical) was spreading like wildfire all over the world and poses a danger to their corrupt political, cultural and organized religious system. These satanic dogs planted child molesters and murderers in PRABHUPADAS movement to blemish his good name and take over and destroy the Hare Krisna movement.
@riguelmestheshit. The invisible world can be seen. People, who had 1, 2 or more near death experiance(s) saw their own body, heard what medical personel said, saw their life like a film but were send back to life, because it was not their time to passed away. We develop many (different) explanations about God and the "only truth" way(s) to God like religions and sects. That's, because the priest, the minister, the sect leader preaches words which give us the idea that we're saved.
@myreneetje Well one cannot "see" the invisible world because its not seen with physical eyes.. You see with the heart and reason not by the senses. The universe is energy..electromagnetism.. the higher the frequency the healthier and closer to god youll be..you can only experience such health and spirituality in human form because your body is not prepared to achieve such levels of energy. remember, "thought" did not originate in human form but rather in older forms of life...
Határtalan nyugalom, és bölcsesség sugárzik belőle. Pedig én nem vagyok Krisna hívő, vagy nem tartozom semmilyen vallásba sem, de érzem rajta. hihetetlen.. Ez nem semmi!
onerepresents Krishna as Guru as soon ashe follows strictly,if anyone inside ISKCON has been affected by degradation,from that very samemoment he is not representative of Krishna Consciousness.Unfortunately ISKCON likemany other spiritual orgs,had to witness degradation from someof his members,but this doesn't mean that this particular devotee is"the representative".ISKCON is a worldwide org so it's impossible that everyone is pure. Some are pure,rest are purifying. "manusyanam sahasresu" BG 7.3
Its amazing how the very representatives of "Krishna Consciousness" fell so badly. After Prabhupada left, most of his elevated sanyasis to Gurudome fell either for sexual, money laundering, rapes, killings etc un-Krsna Consciousness activities. And now Iskcon is paying from its nose millions in molestation lawsuits made by its own children - the revolting Gurukulis. Indeed, no peace without KC. All these left KC in a way, so they left peace. So msg is - Chant and be try to be happy.
Unless there is Krishna consciousness, where is peace? There cannot be peace. All rascaldom. Na mam dushkritino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah. These rascals and fools—mayayapahrita-jnana—have lost all knowledge. How can there be peace? Their endeavors for peace are all useless. They Croaking thinking to sing poetry but they are calling the snake of MAYA.
The whole Bhakti movement is connected to story telling and Gopi culture. But fact is Krishna spent only so much time in Mathura and Vrindavana. Just a few years and in his early teens he went out to fight Kansa leaving behind all these Gopi stories. He lived for 125 years in that body in his lila. The whole spreading was done by the Gopi bhav followers from Mathura Vrindavana, later spreading to bengal other parts. So we see prominence in Gopi stories and even BG in that bhav mostly.
Gopisvara Mahadeva: Vajranabha, the great grandson of Krishna, installed the Siva-linga in this important temple about 4,900 years ago. There is a deity of Lord Siva, as a gopi, in this temple. Gopisvara means Lord Siva as the controller (isvara) of the gopis. One time Lord Siva tried to enter into the rasa dance. Because he is a male he was told he could not enter. He then bathed in Maan Sarovara and took the form of a Gopi to take Darshan of Rasa Lila between Gopis and Krishna
Once, during Shri Krishna’s manifest pastimes, Shankara desired to take darsana of Krishna’s captivating räsa-lilä with his own eyes. Being eager to do so, he came directly to Vrindävana from Kailäsa. At the gate outside Vrindävana, some attendant gopis stopped him, because no male except for Shri Krishna can enter the räsa.
But since when has Shankara easily agreed to anything? He asked the attendant gopis how he might be admitted, and they told him to satisfy Bhagavati Yogamäyä Paurnmäsi (Pürnimä) with his worship. Shri Mahdev Shankara followed their advice and after arduous worship he received darsana of Yogamäyä.Knowing the desire of Shankara, Pürnimä took his hands and dipped him in the nearby Brahma Kunda. When he came out of the pond, he had been transformed into an extremely beautiful young gopi.
Pürnimä seated Shankara, now a gopi, inside a kunja north-east of the räsa-sthali. She told him to behold the räsa-lilä from there, and then she disappeared. After a short while, the räsa-lilä began. The gopis thought, “Today, for some reason or other, we are not feeling any happiness in singing and dancing.” They understood that some outsider had entered the arena, and they began to search for that person. In their search they saw a new, unknown gopi sitting in a kunja.
@NPDCAST, This is nice. :) But do you know that Lord of the Lords - Shiva could easily see any activity happening in this or any universe sitting at Kailash? And he who is the object of worship of all living entities and gods doesn't have to worship yogmaya who is again under his control to see Krsna. :) Also, Krishna worshipped Shiva standing on one leg holding his breath practicing Pashupat yog to see Shiva! :) This is described by Krishna himself to Yudhishthira upon his request in Mahabharat
They caught that new gopi and began to question her, “What is your name? What is the name of your village? Who is your husband? Who is your father-in-law?” But the new gopi was unable to answer any of their questions. Instead, she could only cry. Yogamäyä had neither arranged her birth from the womb of a gopi, nor given her any name. The new gopi was not married to any gopa either, so what answers could she give?
@NPDCAST, according to Tripura Rahasya, Kali became Krishna and Shiva as radha to do rasa leela. But this is beyond the Gaudiya sub sampradaya. All gopis worshipped Lord Shiva. Krishna himself worshipped Lord Shiva, Rama worshipped Lord Shiva, so did Nand baba worship, Shiva, Queen Kunti was a staunch Shiva worshipper. I visited the temple where she worshipped in Bhojpur. Great Shivalinga 21 feet high.
Silence please I'm telling a story :D you are a bit passioned. Sir, this post was directed to the rest of public, not particularly yourself Please be kind and wait untill the end :)
They caught that new gopi and began to question her, “What is your name? What is the name of your village? Who is your husband? Who is your father-in-law?” But the new gopi was unable to answer any of their questions. Instead, she could only cry. Yogamäyä had neither arranged her birth from the womb of a gopi, nor given her any name. The new gopi was not married to any gopa either, so what answers could she give?
When the gopis received no answer, they began to slap her cheeks till hey became swollen. Seeing Mahädeva’s misery, Pürnimä’s heart melted. She went there and explained that this gopi was an object of her mercy. She requested the gopis and Krishna to be merciful to her. Shri Krishna, knowing the internal desire of Pürnimä, gave Shankara the name Gopésvara and granted him the boon that a sädhaka would be unable to enter Vrindävana, without first receiving his mercy. JAY Gopisvara MAHADEVA!
Chenu said: ah yes, I know him. Its ok. He's just following Prabhupad and preaching what has been instructed to him. He seems humble. But I will not discuss Hinduism and Lord Shiva with him. Otherwise this will upset him
@NPDCAST, yes I surely agree JAI PRABHUPADA for promoting Lord KRISHNA's bhakti.
But certainly not for demoting Lord Shiva as a mere "demi-God" and misinterpreting and demoting Hinduism and abusing Hindu saints as "fools, rascals, demons etc.." and calling Advaita Vedanta as mere 'mayavad'.
@NPDCAST, ah yes, I know him. Its ok. He's just following Prabhupad and preaching what has been instructed to him. He seems humble. But I will not discuss Hinduism and Lord Shiva with him. Otherwise this will upset him.
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu never declared himself to be Krishna. His followers later on wrote a lot of stories, made new translations etc and declared him as God. In India there are some Gurus, who's followers also think their Guru is god. Which is fine, to have deep respect for your Guru and follow him. But Krishna is Krishna, not the Shankaracharya lineage disciple Chaitanya who deviated from his own Guru.
@Chhenu This is not Correct Sir, Isvara Puri (Lord Gauranga's Guru) Told the Lord to chant the holy Name and he did so he was not deviated from his Guru. There's a lack of a bit of knowledge about Lord Caitanya here.
LOL!!! Some of Prabhupada's doctrines even contradict Krishna!! He says here keeping long hair people think is beautiful and we are against it. So Krishna had long hair, Rama had, Arjuna, Pandavas all had long hair!!!! So Prabhupad is against this?? So who cares??!! lol
None of Prahupada teachings contradicts Krishna doctrine as stated in Bhagavad Gita as iti is. You missed the point: The question of the reporter was: "Your Grace is there any significance in all at all in the shaved head? Why are the heads shaved? ACBSP: "We keep ourselves very clean, that's all." This is the point. After that ACBSP makes a joke: " Atleast at the present moment people think that by keeping long hair they become very beautiful. We are against it" See ACBSP joking mood face 1:53
Krishna says in the BG 18.66 "Sarva dharman parityaya mam ekam saranam vraja" So to show HOW TO SURRENDER He cames again in the form of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and shows by setting the example. Caitanya Mahaprabhu took Sannyasa and shaved His hair and none of the Vaisnavas wanted him to do so, but he did to set the example. We are following Krishna in the mood of his incarnation as Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Prabhupada is indeed following Krishna. But this does not mean everyone has to shave.
@NPDCAST, Well, Chaitanya was Chaitanya and Krishna was Krishna. Two different personalities. Chaitanya was a saint. This "mood" thing is concocted. Chaitanya took Brahmachari initiation from Shankaracharya Guru and in that particular math of Shankaracharya the last names given to brahmacharis are "Chaitanya", so Vishwambhar Mishra or Nimai das was given name of Krishna Chaitanya. Doesn't mean he is Krishna himself. Later on othe Gaudiya acharyas hailed him as Krishna himself.
@NPDCAST, one person told you he's Krishna. The other one told me he's not. Simple. You follow your guy, I can follow mine. Why this zeal to thrust your view as right only over others?
"atmavat manyate jagat" Please don't misunderstand: No zeal.no thurst,no personal view.Only Sastra. Simple.You made some statements and in return I'm quoting sastra pramana to clarify few points that you declare to be concoctions or Gaudiya Acharyas hails.As soon as someone stands on the opposite side doesn't mean he's zealing to thrust his view as right only over others. As the same accusation could be made the other way around: just insisting in the same point he believes.Though is not my case
@NPDCAST, ok I understand. But there is no shastra praman either. :) misinterpretations are not shastra praman. But following Krishna Bhakti is not only good but great! So Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a great soul who instilled it in the hearts of so many and Srila Prabhupad carried it to the west. Great! Hari Bol!
Thanks for recognizing. Still I don't think Bhagavat Purana 11.5.32 is a misinterpretation. Rather a bonafide sastra pramana. According to Atharva Veda Gauranga is Krsna
-eko devah sarva-rupi mahatma gauro rakta-shyamala-shveta- rupah Chaitanyatma sa vai Chaitanya-shaktir bhaktakaro bhakti-do bhakti- vedyah
-namo vedanta-vedyaya krishnaya paramatmane sarva-Chaitanya-rupaya Chaitanyaya namo namah
-sva-nama-mula-mantrena sarvam hladayati vibhuh
- dve shakti parame tasya hladini samvid eva ca iti
@NPDCAST, of course I recognize the goodness that Shri Chaitanya brought and that Prabhupad spread Hari naam in the west. Bhagvat Puran in it self is one thing, its BBT versions and earlier Gaudiya versions are interpreted in a certain way. After Chaitanya a lot of very selected scriptures were translated with a own lineage point of view and not the original scripture as it is. Plz provide original Atharva verse, chapter numbers with sanskrit txt.
@NPDCAST, Dear bhakta, i like very much the real nectar in Vaishnava, be it Iskcon, Gaudiya... it is - devotion, prema, bhakti! :) I don't like politics of religion, faking interpretations, calling all other saints as "fools, rascals, demons, pasandis" etc. And I don't like ignoring Krishna's words and putting Prabhupada's instead. Ex. Krsna differs on Shiva than Prabhupad. In a way I also tested your preaching. Ur verses failed. But ur humility is very nice. Plz accept my obeisance! Hare Krsna!
@Chhenu What does it mean the phrase "Krsna differs on Shiva than Prabhupad" I don't understand what you mean. I'm sorry you can not understand Srila Prabhupada heart and consciousness, anyway if we don't understand there is no need to offend great Vaisnavas as this is not What pleases Lord Krishna. I a great Vaisnava says something we should be respectful while making opposite statements. Other wise Hati Mata of Sadhu ninda will not help.
@NPDCAST, Krishna worshipped Shiva accepting Pashupat diksha from sage Upamanyu and becoming a staunch Shaiva, Prabhupad says placing Shiva on same level on Altar as Krsna is blasphemy and aparadha! As far as aparadhas are concerned, Prabhupad came to west and made plenty of them calling all Indian saints as fools, rascals and what not.
Prabhupada respected Lord Shiva as Bhagavat Purana, Brahma Samhita and other Sastras says: Shiva is The greatest Vaisnava.Therefore any Vaisnava would ever like to be in the same position as Visnu to place Shiva on the same level than Visnu is not apropriate according to Rasa and Tattva.Shiva doesn't like it. You sould read more.Prabhupada said that anyone claiming he is God is a rascal as this goes Vaisnava siddhantha, if you should read more BG.And stop blame ACBSP for your misunderstandings
@NPDCAST, Prabhupada defying words of Lord brahma, Brahma Samhita is not a Vedic shastra. its a 16 century treatesie written by a Vaishnava bhakta. Sorry I've studied the Gaudiya siddhanta and Prabhupada way too much and too well to know the problems within the siddhanta and double standards. Otherwise I would be doing the usual "copy-paste" from internet like you did.
Yes we like to deliver the message as it is no personal interference :) why should I type everything just to say the very same thing? By the way you talk you may be read but not so far and long as you claim. I tell you. In any case for me you missed the point miles ago in your so called "study". you are diving more and more in offences and suffering more and more with insults and anger towards Prabhupada. Unless you transform envy into apreciation or humility you want find any peace.
@NPDCAST, Its my duty to check the falsities in doctrines. Your job is to parrot Prabhupad. To call grey grey is no offence. This is the usual tactic that the Gaudiyas ward off others by saying oh offense etc. I was watching your humility if its real or not. When you start doing gyana yoga claiming to follow Bhakti yoga, it becomes a double standard, isn't it? There's no match for the offenses Prabhupad made in the west abusing other Indian saints while trying to hail his own school of thought.
@NPDCAST, more from my so called "study" dear: "O Shiva, father of all planets, learned scholars know that fire is your mouth, the surface of the globe is your lotus feet, eternal time is your movement, all the directions are your ears, and Varuṇa, master of the waters, is your tongue." ( SB 8:7:26 )
@NPDCAST, read the opinion on Lord Shiva in Mahabharata and read the opinion of Prabhupada on Shiva. they radically differ. I'd rather follow original Vedas and KRISHNA.
Shiva never said "I am Param Bhagavan" whereas Krishna said so in BG. So Prabhupada just helped everyone to understand this fact according rasa and tattva. You don't know Prabhupada how can you talk about someone you don't understand? Taking a text out of contexts is a pretext.
@NPDCAST, Shiva never said that? How do you know dear? Even Krishna, Brahma, Vishnu said that, so did Shiva. You gotta learn and learn. And yes, be open to learn outside the BBT stamped books. The Vedas were not written by BBT.
@NPDCAST, that is your misinterpretation - Vishnu tattva is superior than Shiva tattva and shiva is only above ordinary "jiva". Wrong! read Shiva Mahapurana, the appearance of Lord Shiva in the form of fire Linga, showing vishnu and Brahma their positions. Vishnu worshipped everyday with a thousand flowers and offered his own eye to him on shivalinga. You don't know this?
@NPDCAST, "The demigods Headed by Lord Sri Hari observed Supreme Lord S'iva sitting on the summit of Kailâsa Hill with his wife, Bhavânî, for the auspicious development of the three worlds. He was being worshiped by great saintly persons desiring liberation. The demigods offered him their obeisances and prayers with great respect" ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:20 )
@NPDCAST, "O lord, you alone are the cause of bondage and liberation of the entire worlds( sarva jagat) because you are alone its ruler (tvam ekaḥ sarva-jagataīśvaro ). Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you, and therefore you are the cause of mitigating their distresses, and you are alone the cause of their liberation. We therefore worship Your Lordship." (Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:22)
@NPDCAST, "O lord Shiva, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:23 )
@NPDCAST, "O Lord Shiva, You are the cause of all causes, the self-effulgent, inconceivable, and you are alone that Secret Para Brahman (tvaḿ brahma paramaḿ guhyaḿ ). You manifest various potencies in this cosmic manifestation. You are the Supreme soul and supreme personality of godhead (tvam ātmā jagad-īśvaraḥ)" (Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:24) tvaḿ śabda-yonir jagad-ādir ātmā prāṇendriya-dravya-guṇaḥ svabhāvaḥkālaḥ kratuḥ satyam ṛtaḿ ca dharmastvayy akṣaraḿ yat tri-vṛd-āmananti ( SB 8:7:25 )
@NPDCAST, "O lord Shiva, you are the original source of Vedic literature. You are the original cause of entire creation, the life force, the senses, the five elements, the three modes and the mahat-tattva. You are eternal time, determination and the two religious systems called truth [satya] and truthfulness [ṛta]. You are the shelter of the syllable oḿ, which consists of three letters a-u-m." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:25 )
In the Siddhanta-ratnam, third pada, texts 22, 23, 26 and 27, it is stated: “By displaying the pastime of worshiping His own form as Rudra, Lord Vishnu taught the worship of Rudra not to His own sincere devotees but to the insincere living entities who desire religiosity, economic development, sense gratification, and liberation.
@NPDCAST, again Siddhanta ratnam is an explanation and compilation by someone. These are all manipulations to prove your deity of worship is superior. Its bhava and bhakti. Not shastra. Not shiva. Not Krishna!!
The Lord Himself has confirmed this fact when He spoke in the Narayaniya to Arjuna as follows: !O Arjuna, I am the soul of the universe. My worship of Rudra is worship of My own self. Whatever I do, common people follow. Examples set by Me should be followed. That is why I worship Rudra.Vishnu does not offer obeisances to any demigod. I worship Rudra, considering him to be My own self.
"I am the indwelling supersoul of the entire universe. Rudra is My own part, just as a hot iron rod is non-different from fire. I have set the standard that the demigods headed by Rudra should be worshiped. If I did not set the example of worshiping Rudra then people would not follow that standard."
"Therefore I teach the worship of My servants through My personal behavior. There is no one greater than or equal to Me. Therefore, since I am the greatest, I do not worship anyone. But since Rudra is My part I display the example of worshiping Rudra and other demigods to teach ordinary people"
He said, !Lord Vishnu is the supersoul of me as well as of you and all other embodied living entities. No one can restrict Him within the confines of their mundane knowledge. If simply because Sri Ramachandra displayed the pastime of worshiping Lord Shiva to teach the worship of that great vaisnava, Shiva should be considered the Supreme Lord and Ramachandra his subordinate, then since Sri Ramachandra worshiped the ocean, the ocean should also be considered the Supreme Lord
"It should be understood that whenever the associates of the Supreme Lord have enacted the pastime of worshiping the demigods, their purpose was to teach the worship of the demigods, who are subordinate to Vishnu. It is the pastime of the Lord"s associates to teach, “All demigods are subordinate to Vishnu.” Their worship of the demigods should never be accepted as the ultimate conclusion.
Lord Vishnu is certainly the controller of everyone. His activity of maintaining the universe, like Brahma"s activity of creation and Rudra"s activity of annihilation, and His interaction with the demigods is just like a king"s interaction with thieves.
Actually, Brahma and Rudra create and annihilate only after being empowered by Vishnu. Therefore Lord Vishnu is certainly eternally worshipable by all the demigods headed by Brahma and Rudra.” — Purport to Sri Caitanya-bhagavata, antya 2.399 by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada.
@NPDCAST, What's the use quoting Siddhanta ratnam, or CC? read about Rudra in the VEDAS. Read what Lord KRISHNA himself has to say about Lord SHIVA. What you do is Prabhupada misinterpretations of CC and other stuff. Not VEDAS. Not Shastra.
If some occasion arises to offer worship to Shiva, a vaisnava offers worship to Vishnu or Krishna in the murti of Shiva, because there is no difference between them, “priyasya sakhyuh”. One example of this is found in Visnu-dharmottara
"There was a very dear, parama bhagavata devotee of Vishnu named Viswaksena. He was traveling throughout the world. Once, feeling tired, he sat down in a forest. There was a village close by. The son of the chief of that village happened to come by. Seeing the brahmana Viswaksena, he said, “I am the son of the village chief. I have a very bad headache today so I cannot offer worship to my ista, Shivaji. So I request you, please offer worship to Shivaji today on my behalf.”
Viswaksena said, “I am a visnu-bhakta, I am a dear devotee of Vishnu. I only offer worship to Krishna and His forms such as Vishnu, Vasudeva, Sankarshana, Pradyumna, and Aniruddha. I never offer worship to demigods. I never offer worship to anyone else. You may go elsewhere.”
The son of the village chief became angry and drew his sword, “If you do not obey me, if you do not worship my ista, Shiva, on my behalf, then I will cut off your head.”
In order to save himself from death, Viswaksena said, “Yes, yes. I will worship. I will worship.” He thought to himself that Shiva is Rudradev, the incarnation of ignorance, tamo-guna.
The material world exists predominantly in the mode of ignorance. Therefore Lord Shiva is compared here to the longitude and latitude of the entire universe, which resembles a cloth woven of threads extending for both its length and breadth.
@NPDCAST, not therefore. he is not compared to any longitude or Latitude. That is why I say the Gaudiyas MISINTERPRET as per own lineage's position. Simple. NOT original.
Rudra is the incamation of tamo-guna and Nrisinghadev is the killer of the demons, in whom tamo-guna is predominating. So Viswaksena thought, “I must worship Nrisinghadev in the Shiva murti to kill this person"s tamo-guna.” So uttering the mantra, “sri nrsimhaya namah” — “I offer my obeisances to Lord Nrisinghadev.” — he offered flowers to the Shiva deity.
When the son of the village chief heard him chant that mantra he got angry and drew out his sword to cut off his head, “What are you doing? You are uttering nrisingha-mantra?You are not worshipping my ista, Shiva!” When that person drew his sword to cut off Viswaksena"s head, immediately Nrisinghadev appeared from the Shiva murti and cut off the head of that person and all of his family members. All were finished.
So where is the difference between Shiva and Vishnu? This siva-linga that Lord Nrisingha came out of is still there in South India. It is known as linga-sphota. You may go and see it.
Vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh — Shivaji is a great devotee of Lord Vishnu and Krishna. In Brahma Purana, Lord Shiva says:
yo hi mam drastum iccheta brahmanam va pitamaham!drastavyas tena bhagavan vasudevah pratapavan
A person who yearns to see me or to see grandfather Brahma should yearn to see all-powerful Lord Vasudeva.” (Brahma Purana 226.46 quoted in Bhakti- sandarbha 106.27)
Shiva says this because those who know Vasudeva and those who have gotten Vasudeva, they know Shiva and Brahma, they have gotten Shiva and Brahma. Therefore in his purport Srila Prabhupada has described that Shivaji, Brahma, and Vishnu are not equal:
yas tu narayanam devam brahma-rudradi-daivataih!samatvenaiva vikseta sa pasandi bhaved dhruvam A person who considers demigods like Brahma and Shiva to be equal with Narayan is to be considered an offender, or pasandi. (Padma Purana quoted in Hari-bhakti-vilasa 1.117, and Cc. madhya 18.116)
They are not equal. But they are equal in the sense of “priyasya sakhyuh”, equal because they are very intimate, dear friends. This is guru-tattva, saksad-dhari, Shivaji is sevaka-bhagavan, servitor Bhagavan. He is asraya-vigraha bhagavan, not visaya-vigraha bhagavan. This is tattva
@NPDCAST, Lord Girîsha, since the You are Brahman which is transcendental to the material modes of goodness, passion and ignorance, the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahmâ, Lord Vishnu or the King of heaven, Mahendra ( SB 8:7:31)
@NPDCAST, "O Supreme Ordinator ( maheśvara) , your actual identity is impossible for us to understand.(etat paraḿ prapaśyāmo na ) As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. But your transcedental nature is unknown (avyakta-karmaṇaḥ) ( SB 8:7:35)
This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same. Guru and Bhagavan, Shiva and Bhagavan, have a very intimate relationship, priya-sakhya; a relationship of lover and beloved, premi-premastata. In that sense there is no difference between Shiva and Krishna, guru and Krishna.
In the Caitanya-caritamrta (adi 1.45) it is said, guru krsna-rupa hana sastrera pramane — according to all revealed scriptures, the spiritual master is non- different from Krishna. Therefore we say that guru is Krishna massaging His own legs with His own hands. sadhu-guru-rupe krsna aila nadiya — Krishna took birth in the form of sadhu-guru in Nadiya. This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same tattva. It is a very deep tattva.
But if someone thinks that Shiva is svatantra-isvara, the independent supreme controller, he commits offense. He becomes pasandi and he will lose bhakti. However, if someone offers worship to Shivaji as a very intimate friend of Krishna, vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh, as the chief of the vaisnavas, he gets bhakti.
Therefore vaisnavas worship Shiva. The gopis worship Shiva to get Krishna as their husband. That is Gopiswar Mahadev in Vrindavan. Similarly, vaisnavas offer worship to Shiva as a dear vaisnava, maha-bhagavata, and beg, “Give us bhakti.” They never ask for anything material. It is the demons that ask for material gains, material wealth, position, and strength.
@NPDCAST, everyone asks for material gains, including Hare Krsnas. They are always asking for donations! :D That is material alright. doesn't matter in the name of Krsna, Prabhupada etc.
It is foolish to say that "demons ask for material gains"! Very foolish.
So petty childish statement Sir: Material means material mentality of "I and Mine" but ISKCON devotees distributing books and asking donations in exchange are not the case rather real monks giving Krishna's mercy and receiving daksinas instead. :D Totally bonafide. They are giving everything to Krishna
@NPDCAST Not anymore childish than an utterly foolish claim that people go to Lord Shiva to get "material gains" only. Also gaudiyas claim that Shiva can only give material gains only and not liberation. So there are so many stories around concocted by the Gaudiyas.
Shivaji has two types of mercy, sakapata-krpa, and akapata-krpa, mercy with duplicity, and mercy without duplicity. The demons get the mercy with duplicity. In his purport, Srila Prabhupada has given the example of the demon Ravan. He got mercy with duplicity. The demons want material things, so they get material wealth, power, strength, prestige, and position — everything they want. Shiva gives it, “All right, tathastu! Take it! Take it!”
But Shivaji never accepts it for himself. Shivaji"s form is naked. He wears garlands of bones and snakes. His whole body is smeared with ashes. He lives in the cremation ground and dances naked like a madman. This means that he kicks out all material assets, wealth, and enjoyments
@NPDCAST, Yet he gave all the wealth to Krishna!!! Know this. This is not the only form of Lord Shiva!! He is also the perfect Grihastha the perfect family man. He has all the Aishwaryas. He blessed all for everything. Whatever they asked - material or spiritual. he is also the giver of five forms of highest liberation.
But he gives them to demons, “All right, take it!” This is mercy with duplicity, sakapata-krpa. But the vaisnavas, bhaktas, they get akapata-krpa, mercy without duplicity. They get bhakti. Therefore the gopis pray to Shiva, “Let Krishna be our husband.” Shivaji has these two types of mercy.
Common people generally judge a great personality according to the qualities of his or her followers. They also usually think that the dearest follower of that personality must be the one that has received the most facilities, attention, and position from that great person. How then do we understand Lord Shiva and his distribution of mercy? Many powerful demons such as Ravan, Banasura, Vrikasura, and Sudakshina worshiped Shiva
Shivaji has two types of mercy, sakapata-krpa, and akapata-krpa, mercy with duplicity, and mercy without duplicity. The demons get the mercy with duplicity. In his purport, Srila Prabhupada has given the example of the demon Ravan. He got mercy with duplicity. The demons want material things, so they get material wealth, power, strength, prestige, and position — everything they want. Shiva gives it, “All right, tathastu! Take it! Take it!
By all appearances it seems that each of these demons were very dear to him and received his mercy. Shiva even went so far as to fight against Lord Krishna on behalf of his devotees Banasura and Sudakshina. Certainly those were signs of his mercy! Or were they?
Lord Shiva is famous as asutosa, “he who is easily pleased”. He is very easily pleased and he is very quick to give benedictions. Like Lord Shiva, his consort Maya-devi is also very free in distributing mercy to everyone, including even the demons and impersonalist mayavadis.
(7.61), Thakur Bhaktivinode comments on the nature of their mercy on such persons:
In the material world the mayavadis worship Goddess Maya and chant her names like “Durga” and “Kali”. Lord Krishna"s spiritual potency is His personal potency. Maya is the shadow of that spiritual potency.
Gradually purifying them, Goddess Maya convinces the rebellious souls who have turned their faces away from Lord Krishna to turn and face Him again. Maya has two kinds of mercy: sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating, and niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating. When she gives sincere mercy, she gives to the conditioned soul true knowledge and devotional service offered to Lord Krishna.
When she gives cheating mercy she gives to the soul temporary material pleasures. The limit of this cheating mercy is when she throws the soul into the state of merging with impersonal Brahman. When that happens to the soul, all is lost.
So Lord Shiva has two types of mercy, niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating, and sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating. An intelligent person should understand the difference, and aspire for Lord Shiva"s niskapata-krpa. Although it appears that Lord Shiva is being merciful to the demons when he grants them benedictions, in actuality they are not recipients of Lord Shiva"s real mercy.
Aside from being worshiped by the demons, Lord Shiva is also the guru of many great krsna-bhaktas. The fourth canto, twenty-fourth chapter of Srimad Bhagavatam describes how Shiva bestowed his mercy upon the Prachetas, by which they became great devotees of Lord Krishna. The twelfth canto, tenth chapter describes how Markandeya Rishi worshipped Shiva to get devotion to Krishna.
@NPDCAST, lol another Gaudiya concoction - Markanday rishi worshipped Shiva to get devotion to Krishna!! Markandaya worshipped Shiva with devotion to Shiva to get Shiva. So Gaudiyas do a lot of misinterpretations and double standards spreading these to promote their own camp. Amazing.
@Chhenu This words are from Sri Srimad Goura Govinda Swami a maha bhagavat. You are not in a position to argue. Sorry. We will see at the time of death if your position leads you to Goloka Vrindavana or somewhere else. Please don't be agitated for my posts IT IS NOT MY INTENTION. I am posting not for you rather for those not feeling enmity towards Vaisnavas
@NPDCAST, Who is Gaur Govinda Swami? A maha bhagwat? Is he above Lord Brahma???
Who will see my position where it leads? How can you see that?
Thre is no enimity towards Vaishnavas. Didn't I state the goodness of Krishna bhakti?? How can u claim about enmity towards Vaishnavas? It is my duty to challenge the B.S. Passing B.S. as Vaishnavism by overzealous preachers is not Maha Bhagwat. Kindly send me a link to his site.
@NPDCAST, Whom do u accept Govinda Swami or Lord Brahma? What is this swami's position in front of Lord brahma? nothing!! Shri Brahma -
" O siva , I know that You are the Supreme controller(Parameswara), You are both the father and the mother of the entire cosmic manifestation and as the one ever auspicious and supreme brahman who is beyond cosmic manifestation" (SB 4:6:42 )
His holiness Gour GovindaSwami neither myself are dennying Lord Brahma, you concocted this. See and read the posts Please. In His Sivastakam prayers (text 7), quoted by Murari Gupta in his Sri Caitanya Carita Mahakavya, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu describes Lord Shiva"s position as guru, sivaya sarva-gurave namo namah — “I repeatedly offer my obeisances to Lord Shiva, who is the guru of everyone.” Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami has also commented on this point in the previous article:
Gour Govinda Swami: .This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same. Guru and Bhagavan, Shiva and Bhagavan, have a very intimate relationship, priya-sakhya, a relationship of lover and beloved, premi-premastata. In that sense there is no difference between Shiva and Krishna, guru and Krishna.
GGS: In many places it is described that the guru is considered to be a manifestation of Lord Shiva. Sri Hari-bhakti-vilasa (4.139) says: gurur brahma gurur visnur guru devo mahesvarah!gurur eva param- brahma tasmat sampujayet sada The guru is Lord Brahma. The guru is Lord Vishnu. The guru is Lord Shiva. The guru is the Supreme Absolute Truth, therefore always worship Sri Guru with all you possess.
A good example is Ravan, the demoniac king of the raksasas. Ravan worshipped Lord Shiva, and it would seem that Shiva favored him since he granted Ravan so much wealth and power. However, Srila Vrindavan Das Thakur has given a penetrating look at Ravan"s service to Lord Shiva and shown that actually Ravan did not please Shiva at all.
@NPDCAST. Do you know Ravana's position?? Did Thankur know it? ravana and Hiranyakashipu were all Vaishnavas. Jaya and Vijaya dwarpalas of Vaikunthaloka who were cursed by sages because of their arrogance and pride to be born twice as demons. Hiranyaksh and Hiranyakashipu, then as Ravana and Kansa. Eventually to be delivered by their master Lord Hari/Vishnu. Shiva didn't favor Ravana as he wandered off from Vadic Dharma and committed offenses.
GGS: In his Sri Caitanya-Bhagavata (madhya 10.148-149), Vrindavan Das states:
siracchedi bhakti yena kare dasanana!na manaye raghunatha - sivera karana. Ravan worshiped Shiva but would not worship Lord Ramachandra. For this offense Ravan"s ten heads were cut off.
Please read untill the end: Ravan worshiped Shiva but would not worship Lord Ramachandra. For this offense Ravan"s ten heads were cut off.
antare chadila siva, se na jane iha!seva vyartha haila
maila savamse pudiya
In his heart, Lord Shiva rejected Ravan and did not accept his service. Ravan did not know this. Ravan"s service to Lord Shiva was all in vain. In this way he and his family were all destroyed.
Siva-tattva and guru-tattva are also the same in the sense that both Shiva and guru are krsna-krpa-sri-murti — manifestations of Krishna"s mercy. In Bhagavad-gita (4.11) Krishna has described, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham — “As a person surrenders to Me, I reciprocate with him accordingly.” Similarly, as manifestations of Krishna"s mercy Shiva and Sri Guru also reciprocate according to the motive of the worshiper.
GGS: Although they are merciful to all, it"s not that everyone who approaches them gets the same thing. To sincere persons they give niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating, and to duplicitous materialistic persons they give sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating.
@NPDCAST, cheating is the result of one's intentions and mind. Right. With intentions to cheat, people cannot even approach shiva. Similarly to Vishnu. Cheating doesn't work in spiritual line. Only in society.
A person who considers demigods like Brahma and Shiva to be equal with Narayan is to be considered an offender, or pasandi. (Padma Purana)
GGS: Krishna and Shiva, They are not equal. But they are equal in the sense of “priyasya sakhyuh”, equal because they are very intimate, dear friends. This is guru-tattva, saksad-dhari, Shivaji is sevaka-bhagavan, servitor Bhagavan. He is asraya-vigraha bhagavan, not visaya-vigraha bhagavan. This is tattva.
@NPDCAST, ah another B.S. of Gaudiyas. Show me the exact verse from Padma Purana. Quote me the sanskrit verse where it claims Shiva to be a mere 'demi-God'. So in that case it trashes Lord Brahma's words and words of Rama and Krishna too. See!!! This is why I said in the very beginning that Prabhupada's conclusions and Lord Krishna's words are not the same. Prabhupada was very biased and judgmental. Since u want to quote from Padma Purana, why don't you quote from the great SHIVA GITA from PP??
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charukrsnadasa 5 days ago in playlist FOOD vegetarian
strilas shame is endless.. he said the krishans dearest are those who are masters and speak the truth, then he got a heartattack in the boat towards his path of speaking not following the directions of the gita that is: not leave the place one is born, vrindavan., oh my god what shame.. then he spoke of the end of the world with water whilest krishna said the opposite, that is the birth of this planet was in darkness meaning ice cold snow rain.
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holkapolka887 3 months ago
@5Holkapolka2 you're mean
MyWordizBond 3 months ago
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The CIA and the racist western secret organizations conspire and murdered this great soul. They felt his spiritual movement (non-evangelical) was spreading like wildfire all over the world and poses a danger to their corrupt political, cultural and organized religious system. These satanic dogs planted child molesters and murderers in PRABHUPADAS movement to blemish his good name and take over and destroy the Hare Krisna movement.
brucaX10 4 months ago
God not exist com on ppl who is god?
liuknag 5 months ago
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holkapolka887 3 months ago
Why these terrible formulated questions? This guy didn't know who he was speaking to, it is clear..
MyWordizBond 6 months ago
People don't even understand what they see with their physical eyes, the most obvious what is seen there, how can they start then to even comprehend anything higher in wisdom and truth..
LetGoToGrowth 6 months ago
It's like if you look at nature, if you let yourself in non-duality, you'll of course be perfect
LetGoToGrowth 6 months ago
@sassychavi Yes I do; so my reply dear.
dinkuthedino 7 months ago
Im sorry, but I must disagree on something I have seen. The highest and loftiest emotion a person may feel (this is universal) is LOVE. Allow me to cite the christian the lion video, or go look at your pet dog sometime. These animals DO understand love, therefore can understand god.
Arminsaf2 7 months ago
@Arminsaf2 You are God to them.
dinkuthedino 7 months ago
@Arminsaf2 No, human beings can surrender to God, animals still have nonsense motives, therefore they cannot surrender to God which is all and if you surrender to him, he does You as you are a tiny particle of God, but if you let him do you, you'll be perfect, that's a fact.
LetGoToGrowth 6 months ago
@LetGoToGrowth Hmmm. First, human beings are no different from animals in material form as far as desire. According to Srila in his book "Beyond Illusion and doubt," We are all the same god "soul" reincarnated in different matter. So first, how do you know it is not the animals that have surrendered to god, and we are the one holding back. Everything you have said is a subjective belief. For instance, your last statement says that we are not perfect. That is not a fact. We are perfect with
Arminsaf2 6 months ago
@LetGoToGrowth with imperfect desires and this is what Srila says is our pathto god, is to submit then cleanse of unhealthy desire. You also imply that animals have nonsense motives. Srila believes sex is for procreation only. Animals procreate, so they have actual pure motives as well. Srila says we must submit to God, for his is our dualism of perfection. We are impefect therefore He is. I agree with your statement that we are all small particles of God,
Arminsaf2 6 months ago
@Arminsaf2 If the knowledge you take comes from the side of perfection, then you become perfect.And the simple way to determine that is by checking your heart, lung area, if you feel like electric around there, and really happy and ready to jump around and love and forgive, and overall be happy, then you know you're on the right path. So that's what the human beings can do, and we think that animals because of their instinct are smarter. Human beings can percieve much higher vibrational things.
LetGoToGrowth 6 months ago
@Arminsaf2 Yet it's true that we have forgotten to experience, we just speculate things mentally. If you just look around and just THINK and INTELLECTUALIZE things around you, there's no point about anything anymore.
You have to look and see that everything that you ever wanted to know was already in front of you, whole knowledge of deeper understanding of everything without taking just a scientific approach which ussually leaves no point of truth and understanding, just merely an illusion.
LetGoToGrowth 6 months ago
@LetGoToGrowth you are literally using the scientific method and socratic method to rationalize that a desire to need objective truth is an illusion. IT IS NOT AN ILLUSION. I have all desire to need to know, WITHOUT the use of just faith (look up the definition to faith). How can we forget to experience? we are always experiencing events, but we forget to be AWARE of this experience. I agree with your principle, but just find that your explaining it incorrectly. I might be wrong.
Arminsaf2 6 months ago
@LetGoToGrowth but I must also say that your knowledge and agreements on the subject are construed.
Arminsaf2 6 months ago
Jaya Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada! Nama Om Visnu Padaya Krsna Presthaya Bhutale Srimate Bhaktivedanta Svamin Iti Namine Namas Te Sarasvate Deve Gaura Vani Pracarine Nirivisesa Sunyavadi Pascatya Desa Tarine! Sri Nityananda Prabhu Ki Jaya! Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Ki Jaya! Sri Sri Jagannatha Baladeva Subhadra ki Jaya! Sri Sri Radha Krsna Ki Jaya! Sri Narasimhadeva Ki Jaya! Sri Hanumanji Ki Jaya!
heidirlipes 7 months ago
interviewer: welcome
Srila: Thank you, *fuckin asshole*
NinetiesYouth 7 months ago
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The CIA and the racist western secret organizations conspire and murdered this great soul. They felt his spiritual movement (non-evangelical) was spreading like wildfire all over the world and poses a danger to their corrupt political, cultural and organized religious system. These satanic dogs planted child molesters and murderers in PRABHUPADAS movement to blemish his good name and take over and destroy the Hare Krisna movement.
brucaX10 7 months ago
It is amazing that he is a Bengali
Sudipta5fast5bowler 8 months ago
SU DIVINA GRACIA!
nlscraypavo 8 months ago
hare krishna , all glories to srila prabhupada
soniameh 9 months ago
@riguelmestheshit. The invisible world can be seen. People, who had 1, 2 or more near death experiance(s) saw their own body, heard what medical personel said, saw their life like a film but were send back to life, because it was not their time to passed away. We develop many (different) explanations about God and the "only truth" way(s) to God like religions and sects. That's, because the priest, the minister, the sect leader preaches words which give us the idea that we're saved.
myreneetje 9 months ago
The other world, the invisible world around us, is unlike ours.
People can develop many ideas, doctrine, thoughts about it, but people are wrong. So this man also.
The other world will not be controlled by human thoughts.
myreneetje 10 months ago
@myreneetje Well one cannot "see" the invisible world because its not seen with physical eyes.. You see with the heart and reason not by the senses. The universe is energy..electromagnetism.. the higher the frequency the healthier and closer to god youll be..you can only experience such health and spirituality in human form because your body is not prepared to achieve such levels of energy. remember, "thought" did not originate in human form but rather in older forms of life...
riquelmestheshit 10 months ago
Has this spiritual leader bird shit on his face??? Lucky not in his eyes.
However, he had to clean his face.
myreneetje 10 months ago
bullshit!animals have a deeper imotional inteligent than human!
kachetil 10 months ago
Határtalan nyugalom, és bölcsesség sugárzik belőle. Pedig én nem vagyok Krisna hívő, vagy nem tartozom semmilyen vallásba sem, de érzem rajta. hihetetlen.. Ez nem semmi!
MrRazyf 11 months ago
jayy sri prabhupadaaaaaa
noelinda15 1 year ago
Thank you prabhupada
MrRaviraviravi 1 year ago
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@gauragovinda. Oh Brazil. nice ISKCON Temples there. Thank you so much for all the videos!!! wonderful service!!! thank you so much!
NPDCAST 1 year ago
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gauragovinda where are you from?
NPDCAST 1 year ago
onerepresents Krishna as Guru as soon ashe follows strictly,if anyone inside ISKCON has been affected by degradation,from that very samemoment he is not representative of Krishna Consciousness.Unfortunately ISKCON likemany other spiritual orgs,had to witness degradation from someof his members,but this doesn't mean that this particular devotee is"the representative".ISKCON is a worldwide org so it's impossible that everyone is pure. Some are pure,rest are purifying. "manusyanam sahasresu" BG 7.3
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Its amazing how the very representatives of "Krishna Consciousness" fell so badly. After Prabhupada left, most of his elevated sanyasis to Gurudome fell either for sexual, money laundering, rapes, killings etc un-Krsna Consciousness activities. And now Iskcon is paying from its nose millions in molestation lawsuits made by its own children - the revolting Gurukulis. Indeed, no peace without KC. All these left KC in a way, so they left peace. So msg is - Chant and be try to be happy.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Unless there is Krishna consciousness, where is peace? There cannot be peace. All rascaldom. Na mam dushkritino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah. These rascals and fools—mayayapahrita-jnana—have lost all knowledge. How can there be peace? Their endeavors for peace are all useless. They Croaking thinking to sing poetry but they are calling the snake of MAYA.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
The whole Bhakti movement is connected to story telling and Gopi culture. But fact is Krishna spent only so much time in Mathura and Vrindavana. Just a few years and in his early teens he went out to fight Kansa leaving behind all these Gopi stories. He lived for 125 years in that body in his lila. The whole spreading was done by the Gopi bhav followers from Mathura Vrindavana, later spreading to bengal other parts. So we see prominence in Gopi stories and even BG in that bhav mostly.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Gopisvara Mahadeva: Vajranabha, the great grandson of Krishna, installed the Siva-linga in this important temple about 4,900 years ago. There is a deity of Lord Siva, as a gopi, in this temple. Gopisvara means Lord Siva as the controller (isvara) of the gopis. One time Lord Siva tried to enter into the rasa dance. Because he is a male he was told he could not enter. He then bathed in Maan Sarovara and took the form of a Gopi to take Darshan of Rasa Lila between Gopis and Krishna
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Once, during Shri Krishna’s manifest pastimes, Shankara desired to take darsana of Krishna’s captivating räsa-lilä with his own eyes. Being eager to do so, he came directly to Vrindävana from Kailäsa. At the gate outside Vrindävana, some attendant gopis stopped him, because no male except for Shri Krishna can enter the räsa.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
But since when has Shankara easily agreed to anything? He asked the attendant gopis how he might be admitted, and they told him to satisfy Bhagavati Yogamäyä Paurnmäsi (Pürnimä) with his worship. Shri Mahdev Shankara followed their advice and after arduous worship he received darsana of Yogamäyä.Knowing the desire of Shankara, Pürnimä took his hands and dipped him in the nearby Brahma Kunda. When he came out of the pond, he had been transformed into an extremely beautiful young gopi.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Pürnimä seated Shankara, now a gopi, inside a kunja north-east of the räsa-sthali. She told him to behold the räsa-lilä from there, and then she disappeared. After a short while, the räsa-lilä began. The gopis thought, “Today, for some reason or other, we are not feeling any happiness in singing and dancing.” They understood that some outsider had entered the arena, and they began to search for that person. In their search they saw a new, unknown gopi sitting in a kunja.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, This is nice. :) But do you know that Lord of the Lords - Shiva could easily see any activity happening in this or any universe sitting at Kailash? And he who is the object of worship of all living entities and gods doesn't have to worship yogmaya who is again under his control to see Krsna. :) Also, Krishna worshipped Shiva standing on one leg holding his breath practicing Pashupat yog to see Shiva! :) This is described by Krishna himself to Yudhishthira upon his request in Mahabharat
Chhenu 1 year ago
They caught that new gopi and began to question her, “What is your name? What is the name of your village? Who is your husband? Who is your father-in-law?” But the new gopi was unable to answer any of their questions. Instead, she could only cry. Yogamäyä had neither arranged her birth from the womb of a gopi, nor given her any name. The new gopi was not married to any gopa either, so what answers could she give?
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, according to Tripura Rahasya, Kali became Krishna and Shiva as radha to do rasa leela. But this is beyond the Gaudiya sub sampradaya. All gopis worshipped Lord Shiva. Krishna himself worshipped Lord Shiva, Rama worshipped Lord Shiva, so did Nand baba worship, Shiva, Queen Kunti was a staunch Shiva worshipper. I visited the temple where she worshipped in Bhojpur. Great Shivalinga 21 feet high.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Silence please I'm telling a story :D you are a bit passioned. Sir, this post was directed to the rest of public, not particularly yourself Please be kind and wait untill the end :)
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, Alright my dear! I'll let you tell your story. Kindly continue. :)
Chhenu 1 year ago
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They caught that new gopi and began to question her, “What is your name? What is the name of your village? Who is your husband? Who is your father-in-law?” But the new gopi was unable to answer any of their questions. Instead, she could only cry. Yogamäyä had neither arranged her birth from the womb of a gopi, nor given her any name. The new gopi was not married to any gopa either, so what answers could she give?
NPDCAST 1 year ago
When the gopis received no answer, they began to slap her cheeks till hey became swollen. Seeing Mahädeva’s misery, Pürnimä’s heart melted. She went there and explained that this gopi was an object of her mercy. She requested the gopis and Krishna to be merciful to her. Shri Krishna, knowing the internal desire of Pürnimä, gave Shankara the name Gopésvara and granted him the boon that a sädhaka would be unable to enter Vrindävana, without first receiving his mercy. JAY Gopisvara MAHADEVA!
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Chenu said: ah yes, I know him. Its ok. He's just following Prabhupad and preaching what has been instructed to him. He seems humble. But I will not discuss Hinduism and Lord Shiva with him. Otherwise this will upset him
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JAYA PRABHUPADA!
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@NPDCAST, yes I surely agree JAI PRABHUPADA for promoting Lord KRISHNA's bhakti.
But certainly not for demoting Lord Shiva as a mere "demi-God" and misinterpreting and demoting Hinduism and abusing Hindu saints as "fools, rascals, demons etc.." and calling Advaita Vedanta as mere 'mayavad'.
Chhenu 1 year ago
STILL ANOTHER WEB OF HIS WORKS
gopaljiu(dot)org
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OK HERE IS THE WEB OF GAURA GOVINDA SWAMI
(world wide web) (dot) srilagourgovindaswami (dot) org/sggs (underscore)bio1(dot) htm
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@NPDCAST, ah yes, I know him. Its ok. He's just following Prabhupad and preaching what has been instructed to him. He seems humble. But I will not discuss Hinduism and Lord Shiva with him. Otherwise this will upset him.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu never declared himself to be Krishna. His followers later on wrote a lot of stories, made new translations etc and declared him as God. In India there are some Gurus, who's followers also think their Guru is god. Which is fine, to have deep respect for your Guru and follow him. But Krishna is Krishna, not the Shankaracharya lineage disciple Chaitanya who deviated from his own Guru.
Chhenu 1 year ago
@Chhenu This is not Correct Sir, Isvara Puri (Lord Gauranga's Guru) Told the Lord to chant the holy Name and he did so he was not deviated from his Guru. There's a lack of a bit of knowledge about Lord Caitanya here.
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LOL!!! Some of Prabhupada's doctrines even contradict Krishna!! He says here keeping long hair people think is beautiful and we are against it. So Krishna had long hair, Rama had, Arjuna, Pandavas all had long hair!!!! So Prabhupad is against this?? So who cares??!! lol
Chhenu 1 year ago
None of Prahupada teachings contradicts Krishna doctrine as stated in Bhagavad Gita as iti is. You missed the point: The question of the reporter was: "Your Grace is there any significance in all at all in the shaved head? Why are the heads shaved? ACBSP: "We keep ourselves very clean, that's all." This is the point. After that ACBSP makes a joke: " Atleast at the present moment people think that by keeping long hair they become very beautiful. We are against it" See ACBSP joking mood face 1:53
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@NPDCAST, there is no such doctrines in B.G. on keeping or shaving long hair. But yes, Prabhupad follows Gaudiya and not Krishna.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Krishna says in the BG 18.66 "Sarva dharman parityaya mam ekam saranam vraja" So to show HOW TO SURRENDER He cames again in the form of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and shows by setting the example. Caitanya Mahaprabhu took Sannyasa and shaved His hair and none of the Vaisnavas wanted him to do so, but he did to set the example. We are following Krishna in the mood of his incarnation as Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Prabhupada is indeed following Krishna. But this does not mean everyone has to shave.
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@NPDCAST, Well, Chaitanya was Chaitanya and Krishna was Krishna. Two different personalities. Chaitanya was a saint. This "mood" thing is concocted. Chaitanya took Brahmachari initiation from Shankaracharya Guru and in that particular math of Shankaracharya the last names given to brahmacharis are "Chaitanya", so Vishwambhar Mishra or Nimai das was given name of Krishna Chaitanya. Doesn't mean he is Krishna himself. Later on othe Gaudiya acharyas hailed him as Krishna himself.
Chhenu 1 year ago
@Chhenu No Way Mr.! Who has told you that Chaitanya and Krishna are two different personalities?
this is a totally misguided statement devoid of all Guru-Sadhu and Sastra siddhantha.
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@NPDCAST, one person told you he's Krishna. The other one told me he's not. Simple. You follow your guy, I can follow mine. Why this zeal to thrust your view as right only over others?
Chhenu 1 year ago
"atmavat manyate jagat" Please don't misunderstand: No zeal.no thurst,no personal view.Only Sastra. Simple.You made some statements and in return I'm quoting sastra pramana to clarify few points that you declare to be concoctions or Gaudiya Acharyas hails.As soon as someone stands on the opposite side doesn't mean he's zealing to thrust his view as right only over others. As the same accusation could be made the other way around: just insisting in the same point he believes.Though is not my case
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@NPDCAST, ok I understand. But there is no shastra praman either. :) misinterpretations are not shastra praman. But following Krishna Bhakti is not only good but great! So Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a great soul who instilled it in the hearts of so many and Srila Prabhupad carried it to the west. Great! Hari Bol!
Chhenu 1 year ago
Thanks for recognizing. Still I don't think Bhagavat Purana 11.5.32 is a misinterpretation. Rather a bonafide sastra pramana. According to Atharva Veda Gauranga is Krsna
-eko devah sarva-rupi mahatma gauro rakta-shyamala-shveta- rupah Chaitanyatma sa vai Chaitanya-shaktir bhaktakaro bhakti-do bhakti- vedyah
-namo vedanta-vedyaya krishnaya paramatmane sarva-Chaitanya-rupaya Chaitanyaya namo namah
-sva-nama-mula-mantrena sarvam hladayati vibhuh
- dve shakti parame tasya hladini samvid eva ca iti
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@NPDCAST, of course I recognize the goodness that Shri Chaitanya brought and that Prabhupad spread Hari naam in the west. Bhagvat Puran in it self is one thing, its BBT versions and earlier Gaudiya versions are interpreted in a certain way. After Chaitanya a lot of very selected scriptures were translated with a own lineage point of view and not the original scripture as it is. Plz provide original Atharva verse, chapter numbers with sanskrit txt.
Chhenu 1 year ago
It seems you don't like very much ISKCON, BBT, Prabhupada and Gaudiya Vaisnavas.
Dear Sir I already provided some original atharva slokas before take a look to previous posts
Please enjoy this link: (world wide web) krishna.com/sri-chaitanya-vedas
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@NPDCAST, Dear bhakta, i like very much the real nectar in Vaishnava, be it Iskcon, Gaudiya... it is - devotion, prema, bhakti! :) I don't like politics of religion, faking interpretations, calling all other saints as "fools, rascals, demons, pasandis" etc. And I don't like ignoring Krishna's words and putting Prabhupada's instead. Ex. Krsna differs on Shiva than Prabhupad. In a way I also tested your preaching. Ur verses failed. But ur humility is very nice. Plz accept my obeisance! Hare Krsna!
Chhenu 1 year ago
@Chhenu What does it mean the phrase "Krsna differs on Shiva than Prabhupad" I don't understand what you mean. I'm sorry you can not understand Srila Prabhupada heart and consciousness, anyway if we don't understand there is no need to offend great Vaisnavas as this is not What pleases Lord Krishna. I a great Vaisnava says something we should be respectful while making opposite statements. Other wise Hati Mata of Sadhu ninda will not help.
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@NPDCAST, Krishna worshipped Shiva accepting Pashupat diksha from sage Upamanyu and becoming a staunch Shaiva, Prabhupad says placing Shiva on same level on Altar as Krsna is blasphemy and aparadha! As far as aparadhas are concerned, Prabhupad came to west and made plenty of them calling all Indian saints as fools, rascals and what not.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Prabhupada respected Lord Shiva as Bhagavat Purana, Brahma Samhita and other Sastras says: Shiva is The greatest Vaisnava.Therefore any Vaisnava would ever like to be in the same position as Visnu to place Shiva on the same level than Visnu is not apropriate according to Rasa and Tattva.Shiva doesn't like it. You sould read more.Prabhupada said that anyone claiming he is God is a rascal as this goes Vaisnava siddhantha, if you should read more BG.And stop blame ACBSP for your misunderstandings
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@NPDCAST, Prabhupada defying words of Lord brahma, Brahma Samhita is not a Vedic shastra. its a 16 century treatesie written by a Vaishnava bhakta. Sorry I've studied the Gaudiya siddhanta and Prabhupada way too much and too well to know the problems within the siddhanta and double standards. Otherwise I would be doing the usual "copy-paste" from internet like you did.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Yes we like to deliver the message as it is no personal interference :) why should I type everything just to say the very same thing? By the way you talk you may be read but not so far and long as you claim. I tell you. In any case for me you missed the point miles ago in your so called "study". you are diving more and more in offences and suffering more and more with insults and anger towards Prabhupada. Unless you transform envy into apreciation or humility you want find any peace.
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@NPDCAST, Its my duty to check the falsities in doctrines. Your job is to parrot Prabhupad. To call grey grey is no offence. This is the usual tactic that the Gaudiyas ward off others by saying oh offense etc. I was watching your humility if its real or not. When you start doing gyana yoga claiming to follow Bhakti yoga, it becomes a double standard, isn't it? There's no match for the offenses Prabhupad made in the west abusing other Indian saints while trying to hail his own school of thought.
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, more from my so called "study" dear: "O Shiva, father of all planets, learned scholars know that fire is your mouth, the surface of the globe is your lotus feet, eternal time is your movement, all the directions are your ears, and Varuṇa, master of the waters, is your tongue." ( SB 8:7:26 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, read the opinion on Lord Shiva in Mahabharata and read the opinion of Prabhupada on Shiva. they radically differ. I'd rather follow original Vedas and KRISHNA.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Shiva never said "I am Param Bhagavan" whereas Krishna said so in BG. So Prabhupada just helped everyone to understand this fact according rasa and tattva. You don't know Prabhupada how can you talk about someone you don't understand? Taking a text out of contexts is a pretext.
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@NPDCAST, Shiva never said that? How do you know dear? Even Krishna, Brahma, Vishnu said that, so did Shiva. You gotta learn and learn. And yes, be open to learn outside the BBT stamped books. The Vedas were not written by BBT.
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, so 'rasa-tattva' is one thing. How can Prabhupad claim all other tattvas are wrong?
Chhenu 1 year ago
@Chhenu He never said other attvas were wrong anly according to Vedas one Tattva is superior than the other:
Vishnu tattva is superior than Siva tattva. Siva Tattva is superior than jiva tattva and so on :)
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@NPDCAST, that is your misinterpretation - Vishnu tattva is superior than Shiva tattva and shiva is only above ordinary "jiva". Wrong! read Shiva Mahapurana, the appearance of Lord Shiva in the form of fire Linga, showing vishnu and Brahma their positions. Vishnu worshipped everyday with a thousand flowers and offered his own eye to him on shivalinga. You don't know this?
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "The demigods Headed by Lord Sri Hari observed Supreme Lord S'iva sitting on the summit of Kailâsa Hill with his wife, Bhavânî, for the auspicious development of the three worlds. He was being worshiped by great saintly persons desiring liberation. The demigods offered him their obeisances and prayers with great respect" ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:20 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "O lord, you alone are the cause of bondage and liberation of the entire worlds( sarva jagat) because you are alone its ruler (tvam ekaḥ sarva-jagataīśvaro ). Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you, and therefore you are the cause of mitigating their distresses, and you are alone the cause of their liberation. We therefore worship Your Lordship." (Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:22)
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "O lord Shiva, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:23 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "O Lord Shiva, You are the cause of all causes, the self-effulgent, inconceivable, and you are alone that Secret Para Brahman (tvaḿ brahma paramaḿ guhyaḿ ). You manifest various potencies in this cosmic manifestation. You are the Supreme soul and supreme personality of godhead (tvam ātmā jagad-īśvaraḥ)" (Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:24) tvaḿ śabda-yonir jagad-ādir ātmā prāṇendriya-dravya-guṇaḥ svabhāvaḥkālaḥ kratuḥ satyam ṛtaḿ ca dharmastvayy akṣaraḿ yat tri-vṛd-āmananti ( SB 8:7:25 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "O lord Shiva, you are the original source of Vedic literature. You are the original cause of entire creation, the life force, the senses, the five elements, the three modes and the mahat-tattva. You are eternal time, determination and the two religious systems called truth [satya] and truthfulness [ṛta]. You are the shelter of the syllable oḿ, which consists of three letters a-u-m." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:25 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
In the Siddhanta-ratnam, third pada, texts 22, 23, 26 and 27, it is stated: “By displaying the pastime of worshiping His own form as Rudra, Lord Vishnu taught the worship of Rudra not to His own sincere devotees but to the insincere living entities who desire religiosity, economic development, sense gratification, and liberation.
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@NPDCAST, again Siddhanta ratnam is an explanation and compilation by someone. These are all manipulations to prove your deity of worship is superior. Its bhava and bhakti. Not shastra. Not shiva. Not Krishna!!
Chhenu 1 year ago
The Lord Himself has confirmed this fact when He spoke in the Narayaniya to Arjuna as follows: !O Arjuna, I am the soul of the universe. My worship of Rudra is worship of My own self. Whatever I do, common people follow. Examples set by Me should be followed. That is why I worship Rudra.Vishnu does not offer obeisances to any demigod. I worship Rudra, considering him to be My own self.
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"I am the indwelling supersoul of the entire universe. Rudra is My own part, just as a hot iron rod is non-different from fire. I have set the standard that the demigods headed by Rudra should be worshiped. If I did not set the example of worshiping Rudra then people would not follow that standard."
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"Therefore I teach the worship of My servants through My personal behavior. There is no one greater than or equal to Me. Therefore, since I am the greatest, I do not worship anyone. But since Rudra is My part I display the example of worshiping Rudra and other demigods to teach ordinary people"
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"In this connection, Brahma told Rudra that Vishnu alone is the supersoul of everyone including Brahma and Rudra"
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He said, !Lord Vishnu is the supersoul of me as well as of you and all other embodied living entities. No one can restrict Him within the confines of their mundane knowledge. If simply because Sri Ramachandra displayed the pastime of worshiping Lord Shiva to teach the worship of that great vaisnava, Shiva should be considered the Supreme Lord and Ramachandra his subordinate, then since Sri Ramachandra worshiped the ocean, the ocean should also be considered the Supreme Lord
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@NPDCAST, not bonafide explanation. Ocean never claimed to be God. Shiva did. So did Rama to Shiva.
Chhenu 1 year ago
"It should be understood that whenever the associates of the Supreme Lord have enacted the pastime of worshiping the demigods, their purpose was to teach the worship of the demigods, who are subordinate to Vishnu. It is the pastime of the Lord"s associates to teach, “All demigods are subordinate to Vishnu.” Their worship of the demigods should never be accepted as the ultimate conclusion.
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Lord Vishnu is certainly the controller of everyone. His activity of maintaining the universe, like Brahma"s activity of creation and Rudra"s activity of annihilation, and His interaction with the demigods is just like a king"s interaction with thieves.
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Actually, Brahma and Rudra create and annihilate only after being empowered by Vishnu. Therefore Lord Vishnu is certainly eternally worshipable by all the demigods headed by Brahma and Rudra.” — Purport to Sri Caitanya-bhagavata, antya 2.399 by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada.
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@NPDCAST, What's the use quoting Siddhanta ratnam, or CC? read about Rudra in the VEDAS. Read what Lord KRISHNA himself has to say about Lord SHIVA. What you do is Prabhupada misinterpretations of CC and other stuff. Not VEDAS. Not Shastra.
Chhenu 1 year ago
If some occasion arises to offer worship to Shiva, a vaisnava offers worship to Vishnu or Krishna in the murti of Shiva, because there is no difference between them, “priyasya sakhyuh”. One example of this is found in Visnu-dharmottara
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"There was a very dear, parama bhagavata devotee of Vishnu named Viswaksena. He was traveling throughout the world. Once, feeling tired, he sat down in a forest. There was a village close by. The son of the chief of that village happened to come by. Seeing the brahmana Viswaksena, he said, “I am the son of the village chief. I have a very bad headache today so I cannot offer worship to my ista, Shivaji. So I request you, please offer worship to Shivaji today on my behalf.”
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Viswaksena said, “I am a visnu-bhakta, I am a dear devotee of Vishnu. I only offer worship to Krishna and His forms such as Vishnu, Vasudeva, Sankarshana, Pradyumna, and Aniruddha. I never offer worship to demigods. I never offer worship to anyone else. You may go elsewhere.”
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The son of the village chief became angry and drew his sword, “If you do not obey me, if you do not worship my ista, Shiva, on my behalf, then I will cut off your head.”
In order to save himself from death, Viswaksena said, “Yes, yes. I will worship. I will worship.” He thought to himself that Shiva is Rudradev, the incarnation of ignorance, tamo-guna.
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The material world exists predominantly in the mode of ignorance. Therefore Lord Shiva is compared here to the longitude and latitude of the entire universe, which resembles a cloth woven of threads extending for both its length and breadth.
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@NPDCAST, not therefore. he is not compared to any longitude or Latitude. That is why I say the Gaudiyas MISINTERPRET as per own lineage's position. Simple. NOT original.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Rudra is the incamation of tamo-guna and Nrisinghadev is the killer of the demons, in whom tamo-guna is predominating. So Viswaksena thought, “I must worship Nrisinghadev in the Shiva murti to kill this person"s tamo-guna.” So uttering the mantra, “sri nrsimhaya namah” — “I offer my obeisances to Lord Nrisinghadev.” — he offered flowers to the Shiva deity.
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When the son of the village chief heard him chant that mantra he got angry and drew out his sword to cut off his head, “What are you doing? You are uttering nrisingha-mantra?You are not worshipping my ista, Shiva!” When that person drew his sword to cut off Viswaksena"s head, immediately Nrisinghadev appeared from the Shiva murti and cut off the head of that person and all of his family members. All were finished.
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So where is the difference between Shiva and Vishnu? This siva-linga that Lord Nrisingha came out of is still there in South India. It is known as linga-sphota. You may go and see it.
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Vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh — Shivaji is a great devotee of Lord Vishnu and Krishna. In Brahma Purana, Lord Shiva says:
yo hi mam drastum iccheta brahmanam va pitamaham!drastavyas tena bhagavan vasudevah pratapavan
A person who yearns to see me or to see grandfather Brahma should yearn to see all-powerful Lord Vasudeva.” (Brahma Purana 226.46 quoted in Bhakti- sandarbha 106.27)
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@NPDCAST, and Krishna and Rama is the greatest SHAIVA. Nrsimha was pacified and overpowered by SARABHESA avatara of Lord Shiva.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Shiva says this because those who know Vasudeva and those who have gotten Vasudeva, they know Shiva and Brahma, they have gotten Shiva and Brahma. Therefore in his purport Srila Prabhupada has described that Shivaji, Brahma, and Vishnu are not equal:
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yas tu narayanam devam brahma-rudradi-daivataih!samatvenaiva vikseta sa pasandi bhaved dhruvam A person who considers demigods like Brahma and Shiva to be equal with Narayan is to be considered an offender, or pasandi. (Padma Purana quoted in Hari-bhakti-vilasa 1.117, and Cc. madhya 18.116)
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They are not equal. But they are equal in the sense of “priyasya sakhyuh”, equal because they are very intimate, dear friends. This is guru-tattva, saksad-dhari, Shivaji is sevaka-bhagavan, servitor Bhagavan. He is asraya-vigraha bhagavan, not visaya-vigraha bhagavan. This is tattva
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@NPDCAST, Lord Girîsha, since the You are Brahman which is transcendental to the material modes of goodness, passion and ignorance, the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahmâ, Lord Vishnu or the King of heaven, Mahendra ( SB 8:7:31)
Chhenu 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, "O Supreme Ordinator ( maheśvara) , your actual identity is impossible for us to understand.(etat paraḿ prapaśyāmo na ) As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. But your transcedental nature is unknown (avyakta-karmaṇaḥ) ( SB 8:7:35)
Chhenu 1 year ago
This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same. Guru and Bhagavan, Shiva and Bhagavan, have a very intimate relationship, priya-sakhya; a relationship of lover and beloved, premi-premastata. In that sense there is no difference between Shiva and Krishna, guru and Krishna.
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In the Caitanya-caritamrta (adi 1.45) it is said, guru krsna-rupa hana sastrera pramane — according to all revealed scriptures, the spiritual master is non- different from Krishna. Therefore we say that guru is Krishna massaging His own legs with His own hands. sadhu-guru-rupe krsna aila nadiya — Krishna took birth in the form of sadhu-guru in Nadiya. This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same tattva. It is a very deep tattva.
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But if someone thinks that Shiva is svatantra-isvara, the independent supreme controller, he commits offense. He becomes pasandi and he will lose bhakti. However, if someone offers worship to Shivaji as a very intimate friend of Krishna, vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh, as the chief of the vaisnavas, he gets bhakti.
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Therefore vaisnavas worship Shiva. The gopis worship Shiva to get Krishna as their husband. That is Gopiswar Mahadev in Vrindavan. Similarly, vaisnavas offer worship to Shiva as a dear vaisnava, maha-bhagavata, and beg, “Give us bhakti.” They never ask for anything material. It is the demons that ask for material gains, material wealth, position, and strength.
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@NPDCAST, everyone asks for material gains, including Hare Krsnas. They are always asking for donations! :D That is material alright. doesn't matter in the name of Krsna, Prabhupada etc.
It is foolish to say that "demons ask for material gains"! Very foolish.
Chhenu 1 year ago
So petty childish statement Sir: Material means material mentality of "I and Mine" but ISKCON devotees distributing books and asking donations in exchange are not the case rather real monks giving Krishna's mercy and receiving daksinas instead. :D Totally bonafide. They are giving everything to Krishna
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@NPDCAST Not anymore childish than an utterly foolish claim that people go to Lord Shiva to get "material gains" only. Also gaudiyas claim that Shiva can only give material gains only and not liberation. So there are so many stories around concocted by the Gaudiyas.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Shivaji has two types of mercy, sakapata-krpa, and akapata-krpa, mercy with duplicity, and mercy without duplicity. The demons get the mercy with duplicity. In his purport, Srila Prabhupada has given the example of the demon Ravan. He got mercy with duplicity. The demons want material things, so they get material wealth, power, strength, prestige, and position — everything they want. Shiva gives it, “All right, tathastu! Take it! Take it!”
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But Shivaji never accepts it for himself. Shivaji"s form is naked. He wears garlands of bones and snakes. His whole body is smeared with ashes. He lives in the cremation ground and dances naked like a madman. This means that he kicks out all material assets, wealth, and enjoyments
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@NPDCAST, Yet he gave all the wealth to Krishna!!! Know this. This is not the only form of Lord Shiva!! He is also the perfect Grihastha the perfect family man. He has all the Aishwaryas. He blessed all for everything. Whatever they asked - material or spiritual. he is also the giver of five forms of highest liberation.
Chhenu 1 year ago
But he gives them to demons, “All right, take it!” This is mercy with duplicity, sakapata-krpa. But the vaisnavas, bhaktas, they get akapata-krpa, mercy without duplicity. They get bhakti. Therefore the gopis pray to Shiva, “Let Krishna be our husband.” Shivaji has these two types of mercy.
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Common people generally judge a great personality according to the qualities of his or her followers. They also usually think that the dearest follower of that personality must be the one that has received the most facilities, attention, and position from that great person. How then do we understand Lord Shiva and his distribution of mercy? Many powerful demons such as Ravan, Banasura, Vrikasura, and Sudakshina worshiped Shiva
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@NPDCAST, again offensive Gaudiya propaganda. WRONG. You didn't see the followers of Shiva - KRISHNA, RAMA, SANDIPAN, VISHWAMITRA, VASHISHTHA, ATRI, KANAD, PULATSYA, SHANKARACHARYA, UPAMANYU, BHEESHMA, KUNTI, GANDHARI PANDAVAS, GOPIS??? Indeed!!!
Chhenu 1 year ago
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Shivaji has two types of mercy, sakapata-krpa, and akapata-krpa, mercy with duplicity, and mercy without duplicity. The demons get the mercy with duplicity. In his purport, Srila Prabhupada has given the example of the demon Ravan. He got mercy with duplicity. The demons want material things, so they get material wealth, power, strength, prestige, and position — everything they want. Shiva gives it, “All right, tathastu! Take it! Take it!
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, Shiva gives every type of mercy. "kapata-mercy" concept is another thing that Gaudiyas love to dwell upon regarding Lord Shiva.
Chhenu 1 year ago
By all appearances it seems that each of these demons were very dear to him and received his mercy. Shiva even went so far as to fight against Lord Krishna on behalf of his devotees Banasura and Sudakshina. Certainly those were signs of his mercy! Or were they?
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Lord Shiva is famous as asutosa, “he who is easily pleased”. He is very easily pleased and he is very quick to give benedictions. Like Lord Shiva, his consort Maya-devi is also very free in distributing mercy to everyone, including even the demons and impersonalist mayavadis.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
In his footnote to Hari-nama-cintamani
(7.61), Thakur Bhaktivinode comments on the nature of their mercy on such persons:
In the material world the mayavadis worship Goddess Maya and chant her names like “Durga” and “Kali”. Lord Krishna"s spiritual potency is His personal potency. Maya is the shadow of that spiritual potency.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Gradually purifying them, Goddess Maya convinces the rebellious souls who have turned their faces away from Lord Krishna to turn and face Him again. Maya has two kinds of mercy: sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating, and niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating. When she gives sincere mercy, she gives to the conditioned soul true knowledge and devotional service offered to Lord Krishna.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
When she gives cheating mercy she gives to the soul temporary material pleasures. The limit of this cheating mercy is when she throws the soul into the state of merging with impersonal Brahman. When that happens to the soul, all is lost.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
So Lord Shiva has two types of mercy, niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating, and sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating. An intelligent person should understand the difference, and aspire for Lord Shiva"s niskapata-krpa. Although it appears that Lord Shiva is being merciful to the demons when he grants them benedictions, in actuality they are not recipients of Lord Shiva"s real mercy.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Aside from being worshiped by the demons, Lord Shiva is also the guru of many great krsna-bhaktas. The fourth canto, twenty-fourth chapter of Srimad Bhagavatam describes how Shiva bestowed his mercy upon the Prachetas, by which they became great devotees of Lord Krishna. The twelfth canto, tenth chapter describes how Markandeya Rishi worshipped Shiva to get devotion to Krishna.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, lol another Gaudiya concoction - Markanday rishi worshipped Shiva to get devotion to Krishna!! Markandaya worshipped Shiva with devotion to Shiva to get Shiva. So Gaudiyas do a lot of misinterpretations and double standards spreading these to promote their own camp. Amazing.
Chhenu 1 year ago
@Chhenu This words are from Sri Srimad Goura Govinda Swami a maha bhagavat. You are not in a position to argue. Sorry. We will see at the time of death if your position leads you to Goloka Vrindavana or somewhere else. Please don't be agitated for my posts IT IS NOT MY INTENTION. I am posting not for you rather for those not feeling enmity towards Vaisnavas
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, Who is Gaur Govinda Swami? A maha bhagwat? Is he above Lord Brahma???
Who will see my position where it leads? How can you see that?
Thre is no enimity towards Vaishnavas. Didn't I state the goodness of Krishna bhakti?? How can u claim about enmity towards Vaishnavas? It is my duty to challenge the B.S. Passing B.S. as Vaishnavism by overzealous preachers is not Maha Bhagwat. Kindly send me a link to his site.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Demagogical statements from your side Sir, a pitty.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, Whom do u accept Govinda Swami or Lord Brahma? What is this swami's position in front of Lord brahma? nothing!! Shri Brahma -
" O siva , I know that You are the Supreme controller(Parameswara), You are both the father and the mother of the entire cosmic manifestation and as the one ever auspicious and supreme brahman who is beyond cosmic manifestation" (SB 4:6:42 )
Chhenu 1 year ago
His holiness Gour GovindaSwami neither myself are dennying Lord Brahma, you concocted this. See and read the posts Please. In His Sivastakam prayers (text 7), quoted by Murari Gupta in his Sri Caitanya Carita Mahakavya, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu describes Lord Shiva"s position as guru, sivaya sarva-gurave namo namah — “I repeatedly offer my obeisances to Lord Shiva, who is the guru of everyone.” Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami has also commented on this point in the previous article:
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Gour Govinda Swami: .This siva-tattva and guru-tattva are the same. Guru and Bhagavan, Shiva and Bhagavan, have a very intimate relationship, priya-sakhya, a relationship of lover and beloved, premi-premastata. In that sense there is no difference between Shiva and Krishna, guru and Krishna.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
GGS: In many places it is described that the guru is considered to be a manifestation of Lord Shiva. Sri Hari-bhakti-vilasa (4.139) says: gurur brahma gurur visnur guru devo mahesvarah!gurur eva param- brahma tasmat sampujayet sada The guru is Lord Brahma. The guru is Lord Vishnu. The guru is Lord Shiva. The guru is the Supreme Absolute Truth, therefore always worship Sri Guru with all you possess.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Don't reply untill you read it all please :D
NPDCAST 1 year ago
GGS:Narada Purana (63.121) says:
diksaya guru-murti-sthah sarvanugrahakah sivah
Through diksa, Shiva, the giver of all benedictions, is manifested in the form of the guru.
The same point is made again in Narada Purana (65.58):
om namas te natha bhagavan sivaya guru-rupine
I offer my respectful obeisances unto Lord Shiva, who has assumed the form of guru.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
A good example is Ravan, the demoniac king of the raksasas. Ravan worshipped Lord Shiva, and it would seem that Shiva favored him since he granted Ravan so much wealth and power. However, Srila Vrindavan Das Thakur has given a penetrating look at Ravan"s service to Lord Shiva and shown that actually Ravan did not please Shiva at all.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST. Do you know Ravana's position?? Did Thankur know it? ravana and Hiranyakashipu were all Vaishnavas. Jaya and Vijaya dwarpalas of Vaikunthaloka who were cursed by sages because of their arrogance and pride to be born twice as demons. Hiranyaksh and Hiranyakashipu, then as Ravana and Kansa. Eventually to be delivered by their master Lord Hari/Vishnu. Shiva didn't favor Ravana as he wandered off from Vadic Dharma and committed offenses.
Chhenu 1 year ago
GGS: In his Sri Caitanya-Bhagavata (madhya 10.148-149), Vrindavan Das states:
siracchedi bhakti yena kare dasanana!na manaye raghunatha - sivera karana. Ravan worshiped Shiva but would not worship Lord Ramachandra. For this offense Ravan"s ten heads were cut off.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, did Vrindavana Thakur really believe that ravan was talking around with ten physical heads??? ;) Amazing.
Chhenu 1 year ago
Please read untill the end: Ravan worshiped Shiva but would not worship Lord Ramachandra. For this offense Ravan"s ten heads were cut off.
antare chadila siva, se na jane iha!seva vyartha haila
maila savamse pudiya
In his heart, Lord Shiva rejected Ravan and did not accept his service. Ravan did not know this. Ravan"s service to Lord Shiva was all in vain. In this way he and his family were all destroyed.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
Siva-tattva and guru-tattva are also the same in the sense that both Shiva and guru are krsna-krpa-sri-murti — manifestations of Krishna"s mercy. In Bhagavad-gita (4.11) Krishna has described, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham — “As a person surrenders to Me, I reciprocate with him accordingly.” Similarly, as manifestations of Krishna"s mercy Shiva and Sri Guru also reciprocate according to the motive of the worshiper.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, Shiva is Guru, and he is Bhagwan as is already clear by the words of Lord Brahma, Krishna and Rama too along with hundreds of Vedic sages.
Chhenu 1 year ago
GGS: Although they are merciful to all, it"s not that everyone who approaches them gets the same thing. To sincere persons they give niskapata-krpa, mercy without cheating, and to duplicitous materialistic persons they give sakapata-krpa, mercy with cheating.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, cheating is the result of one's intentions and mind. Right. With intentions to cheat, people cannot even approach shiva. Similarly to Vishnu. Cheating doesn't work in spiritual line. Only in society.
Chhenu 1 year ago
PADMA PURANA:
A person who considers demigods like Brahma and Shiva to be equal with Narayan is to be considered an offender, or pasandi. (Padma Purana)
GGS: Krishna and Shiva, They are not equal. But they are equal in the sense of “priyasya sakhyuh”, equal because they are very intimate, dear friends. This is guru-tattva, saksad-dhari, Shivaji is sevaka-bhagavan, servitor Bhagavan. He is asraya-vigraha bhagavan, not visaya-vigraha bhagavan. This is tattva.
NPDCAST 1 year ago
@NPDCAST, ah another B.S. of Gaudiyas. Show me the exact verse from Padma Purana. Quote me the sanskrit verse where it claims Shiva to be a mere 'demi-God'. So in that case it trashes Lord Brahma's words and words of Rama and Krishna too. See!!! This is why I said in the very beginning that Prabhupada's conclusions and Lord Krishna's words are not the same. Prabhupada was very biased and judgmental. Since u want to quote from Padma Purana, why don't you quote from the great SHIVA GITA from PP??
Chhenu 1 year ago