American Atheists Debaptism Convulsion

[benthemiester]

What I find so odd about this mockery, is that a few years ago I went with a friend to a new age convention, and to my surprise, almost everyone I asked was an atheist, and I spoke to many. These atheist believed in everything from astro projection, fortune telling, healing crystals, ET''s to ESP. Every single Raëlian I spoke to was an atheist. Apparently its OK to believe in a future coming mothership in 2012 filled with ET's, but to believe in a God head. How absurd??

[atheismisgreat1]

@benthemiester It's only absurd to you because you have a black and white view of the world. The fact is, there is more evidence for ET's (as you put it so childishly) then god. More evidence for fortune telling too. But there's no evidence for god. So it would be "absurd" to believe in any such non-sense.

[Evangalist22]

This is funny, honestly, you atheist crack me up. I mean trying to make fun of something you don't believe in just shows you believe in God. Thanks for proving God exist :)

[astroboomboy]

@Evangalist22 So if I make fun of people that believe in a flat earth, I also somehow believe in a flat earth? Wow, your logic is on a higher level than anything I have read in my entire life, will you be my teacher?

[Evangalist22]

@astroboomboy Hmmm, quite ummmm..... logical? I guess in some point. But no, now let me point out your flaw here. You obviously don't know what to say or how to act. So you go to mockery. Your mockery grows faint in my eyes and means nothing. Typical move of someone who doesn't believe in God but would rather believe in NOTHING. Which apparently makes more sense right? If that is what you call logical and free thinking then you can have it, cause I choose to be on fire for my God and love him.

[atheismisgreat1]

@Evangalist22 Wow, Your ignorance is amazing.

[Evangalist22]

@atheismisgreat1 My ignorance huh? Well to truly define ignorance is "Lack of knowledge or information" of anything. Lets point out the fact here, there has been nothing that you have said to show my ignorance nor have I stated anything of ignorance. Going back to our "conversation" if you call it that, I re-read our talk and really could not see any ignorance. Actually the ignorance I saw was in you. Your mind is close minded to God completely.

[Evangalist22]

@atheismisgreat1 That you would rather say anything and everything about Christianity and God, but are you that way to other beliefs? Do you mock anyone who is Muslim? How about Jewish? How about a Rastafarian? Or other atheist? Right there shows your hypocrisy and arrogance completely.

[Evangalist22]

@atheismisgreat1 Let me ask you this as well. Why does believing in nothing make more sense then believing in something? How is there any logic in any of that?

[Timbrock1000]

Was that a convulsion, or does that guy needs to lay off the Jack Daniels?

[koyebahtdoelay]

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

[JAB63096]

@koyebahtdoelay Something that doesn't exist can not reap anything...

[edgeofblade]

Who invited Billy Mitchell?



[martialartist34]

youll be convulsing when the devil is having his way with you dude!

[Darkdemonoflite]

@martialartist34 lol thats what i'm saying !

[Roxindreamer]

@martialartist34 Mmm....sexy. Can't wait! -rubs nipples-

[atheismisgreat1]

@martialartist34 Is that a threat?

[Darkdemonoflite]

ROFL! FAIL the description is accurate in whats going on. omg i'm so sad... I will not speak to cause conflict i will just leave. aw man this sucks. I feel bad for ppl mimicking the spiritual life. watch sum ghost huant him 4 life lmao

[Roxindreamer]

@Darkdemonoflite Woah, woah woah.

....How old are you? Did you really just say 'ghost'? Holyshityoumustbelike12.

[Darkdemonoflite]

@Roxindreamer no not really. My observations of humans have shown that most of you are rather juvenile, I figured that someone like you would understand the term "ghost" rather then the word spirit.

[jazzx251]

This looks like fun.

I might get baptised just so I can get de-baptised.

[jfinite]

Priceless.

[Newenlightenmentnow]

that was funny

[worldtravel101]

that is just odd lol

[MrPmj1979]

This is fascinatingly stupid. So stupid it's fascinating. A de-baptism as seen here does nothing but reinforce the validity of baptism.

[atheismisgreat1]

@MrPmj1979 What's really fascinating stupid is that this is a joke and people take it seriously. That's funny.

[qnaman]

They aren't atheists It's only a new group of idiot, wchich make a new cult. Look on that - they do that same like other religions, but under new name. I'm not like them. They looking like madmans, exactly like christian's and muslim's fanatic's

[benthemiester]

If your whole belief system is to mock other belief systems, then you don't have a lot going for you. I don't care what their views are. I know people who are not atheist and go to churches that are a little out there, but there still somewhat normal. If this is the face of atheism, you can keep it. These guys look like a bunch of weirdos.

[scarshapedstar]

@benthemiester

"If your whole belief system is to mock other belief systems, then you don't have a lot going for you"

If atheism is a 'belief system' then bald is a hair color, not smoking cigarettes is a habit, and not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[benthemiester]

@scarshapedstar "if atheism is a 'belief system' then bald is a hair color, not smoking cigarettes is a habit, and not collecting stamps is a hobby"

Your confusing an action or physiology with a belief. You have to believe your an atheist to be an atheist. I don't belief in ET's but I don't call my self an antiET's.

This a label and world view you have chosen for yourself. Don't blame me.

If you say I don't believe in a God and don't label me. To me that is much more understandable.

[scarshapedstar]

@benthemiester

"This a label and world view you have chosen for yourself. Don't blame me."

You are labeling me, and you know nothing about my world view. Why are you mad anyway?

You are correct in that 'atheist' was a term invented by believers to pretend that worshiping one or more gods is the natural state of man, and therefore any nonbelievers are stubborn, weird, almost inhuman.

I'd say that someone born on a desert island would not have a religion, and should not be labeled an atheist.

[benthemiester]

@scarshapedstar "You are correct in that 'atheist' was a term invented by believers to pretend that worshiping one or more gods is the natural state of man, and therefore any nonbelievers are stubborn, weird, almost inhuman.

Then why do you embrace the term? I have not labeled you. You labeled your self.

Some one born on a desert Island would die or become feral if they even survived at all, besides it would be impossible without a mother and then it would not be a desert Island.

[scarshapedstar]

@benthemiester

Btw, you still don't get my point about 'bald is not a hair color'. Actions and physiologies... it's called an analogy.

Lack of belief is not a belief. Trust me on this one. I used to be religious and know what it feels like. It is no longer a part of my life.

It is INCREDIBLY condescending to tell me "you're more religious than ever, you just refuse to admit it, and I know this because I am a wise believer".

Unbelievable. You call yourself humble, I assume? Interesting.

[benthemiester]

@scarshapedstart "It is INCREDIBLY condescending to tell me "you're more religious than ever, you just refuse to admit it, and I know this because I am a wise believer".

I don't know what that statement means. It makes no sense to me.

If your an atheist then yes you believe in something and that is atheism.

How could you be something thats based on disbelief? I don't label or define myself by my disbelief. I don't believe in Bigfoot but I don't say I'm an antibigfootist.

[scarshapedstar]

@benthemiester

What I meant was that when you say this:

"If your an atheist then yes you believe in something and that is atheism."

It makes no sense to ME.

I go about my life without worrying about Yahweh, Zeus, Jesus, heaven, hell, etc.

That's all there is to it. I do not go around saying "there is no god and therefore such-and-such will happen". I do nothing special. The absence of god does not require me to do or think anything.

It's not a belief. Just like not smoking is not a habit.

[benthemiester]

@scarshapedstar Defining yourself by something your not makes no sense to me either.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

What we are defines the label, not the other way around.

Someone who believes in bigfoot has bigfoot -ism (belief).

Someone who has no belief in bigfoot has a (without)- bigfoot -ism (belief).

That someone might also, but is not required to, have a belief that bigfoot ISN'T real.

Wait, I hear someone saying we don't have actual words for any of those things? Does that mean we can't be defining ourselves? No, of course not. We're already defined, and the words are descriptions.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun A Google search shows no such group of people who call there belief in bigfoot bigfoot-ism.

The reason why there are no words like that only validates my point. A point that went right over your head.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

It didn't go over my head, I addressed it specifically in the very post you replied to. Please read what you would critique.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

I have NO belief in gods. That makes me an atheist. It is not a label I choose for myself, but one which has been thrust upon me by theist majority to call me an outsider worthy of persecution. I additionally believe that theism is bad. That makes me an anti-theist. I additionally HAVE a belief that the Abrahamic god in particular DOES NOT exist. That makes me a heathen. I additionally believe that science works, bitches. Does that make me a scientist or evolutionist?

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun "I have NO belief in gods. That makes me an atheist. It is not a label I choose for myself, but one which has been thrust upon me by theist majority to call me an outsider worthy of persecution"

If its not a label you choose, why use it? No one thrust anything upon u. I have heard the "its societies fault" argument before. If you wish to play the victim that is your choice. Theologians were the first scientist to usher in the modern sciences, the same modern science that u believe in.

[benthemiester]

@benthemiester Please tell me who is persecuting u? You have have the right to freedom of speech, thought & expression. You are exercising it right now. It was Christians that were slaughtered in the tens of millions by atheist regimes during the 20th century. Atheist have never been slaughtered in those numbers by even the most brutal theocracies. Millions were also thrown to the lions during Roman history. Like I said, if u want to believe in conspiracies and being a victim thats your choice.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

Fortunately I am protected by law due to the foresight of the secular founders of this nation. Thus, those who would persecute me (and I like how you imply nobody would or does) have a severely curtailed ability to do so.

There are no and cannot be "atheist regimes". The lack of a divine mandate to kill others is not a motive. Plenty of jews, atheists, gays, gypsies, liberals, and the disabled were killed by a Christian regime, and some by a Communist regime.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun Yes fortunately you are protected by law so you lied when you said you were being persecuted. Secondly it was a Christian majority among the populace and among the founding fathers that ratified this constitution. Your take on not only history but even current geo politics is also flawed. State atheism does exist to this day. Look up the term "State atheism" This should not be confused with a secular constitution. In the Declaration, Jefferson said we are endowed by our creator. 

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

I didn't say I was being persecuted. Much as you do when you read your Bible, you decided to interject what you wanted me to say into what I actually said. Please read what you would critique.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." (James Madison)

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." (Thomas Jefferson)

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." (Benjamin Franklin)

No, it was not a Christian majority. They were dominantly secular deists, and even a trivial amount of research would demonstrate that.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun I never siad Christianity was a part of the common law. You are wrong the minority were secular Diest. Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7% Presbyterian 30 18.6% Congregationalist 27 16.8% Quaker 7 4.3% Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7% Lutheran 5 3.1% Catholic 3 1.9% Huguenot 3 1.9% Unitarian 3 1.9% Methodist 2 1.2% Calvinist 1 0.6% TOTAL 204

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

Well, that's strange. You seem to have pulled figures out of your ass that don't match those presented by Compton's Encyclopedia on the subject. What are your citations?

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun Compton's Encyclopedia is designed for children in elementary school with pictures and illustrations.

What are you going to cite next mother goose? lol

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun I also made a distinction between secular state and state atheism. I

A little more history...... In 1777. Continental Congress voted to spend $300,000 to purchase bibles which were to be distributed throughout the 13 colonies! And in 1782, the United States Congress declared, “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun cont.....

• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun John Adams and John Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:

“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God......

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun cont.......

“ Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity… and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” [October 4, 1790]

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun Samuel Adams: | Portrait of Sam Adams | Powerpoint presentation on John, John Quincy, and Sam Adams

“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia].......

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun cont.... I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin

“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this......

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun cont..... [for which hitherto we desire to thank Almighty God]…That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace of the nation…for the redress of America’s many grievances, the restoration of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations.

"A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775"

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun Thursday the 11th of May…to humble themselves before God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a spirit of repentance and reformation …and a Blessing on the … Union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights.....

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

Because I am not the grand arbiter of language. If I were, theists would be called "reality deniers" or "faith acceptors". I'm not blaming society for anything, at least not today.

And yes, faith acceptors can make meaningful contributions to science when they put aside their denial of reality and acceptance of faith on specific issues for long enough to discover how the world actually works. Bonus points if other reality deniers don't burn them as heretics for their trouble.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun I dont think you understand what I said. I said theologians were the first scientist Galileo,Copernicus,Newton Mendel and so on etc. They started the first universities in Europe. They taught mathematics and were the first ones to advocate for empirical science. You say your not blaming society yet you say the title of atheism was imposed on you, and that you were being persecuted. As an atheist you can only say u dont believe. You are not omnipotent and cant say God does not exist.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

I understand what you said. You are claiming that because people who happened to be theist (as everyone was by order of the King on pain of death) created the institutions that founded modern science (of which credit goes to the ancient Greeks and early Muslims) that the irrational aspect of faith somehow contributed to their discovery. You are wrong. Religion has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the light of reason, where it burns like a vampire.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun I was speaking of the modern sciences. The word atheist does not have the same meaning as it did in those days. Speaking of Greece There was a time when even Christians were called atheist. I was referring to the modern sciences.

This has to do do with empirical testable science that was lacking in ancient Greece. Your history is flawed & based on myth. As I said it was theologians and the church who built these Universities like Harvard which was founded by Puritan/Congregationalist.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun We all have faith in something. If you dont, you will be a very lonely and insecure person because love cannot be quantified scientifically. There would be no scientific way of proving your spouse or even your parents really love you. Unless u can put love in a test tube and falsify it empirically. It would require faith on your part to believe that anyone loved you. This goes for all emotions. Reality itself is a subjective construct. What u think is right, others might think is wrong.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

What I think is right others might think is wrong, but what you think is irrelevant. When you disagree with objective reality, you are wrong.

I don't have to have faith that I love my family, and neither do you. You and I both prove it through our actions. If we so desired, there are several major neurotransmitters whose levels can be used to objectively measure the emotion you call love. But we don't need that even, because our behaviors toward each are observable and measurable.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun cont....really loved someone else, and they only stood so long for the sake of the kids, or for some other excuse. Most materialist believe love is an evolutionary construct, not something that exist objectively, another words, in this perspective love is nothing more than chemical reactions stimulated by neurons and electrical charges which in turn are nothing more than some kind of evolutionary instinctive reaction. You think love is objective, so maybe there is hope for you after all.

[benthemiester]

Respond to this video...Who are you to judge above others what objective reality is? Are you a God, superhuman, or just a human being like the other 6 billion of us?

There have been many a man and women who absolutely knew they would grow old with there kind selfless loving spouses, only to come home and find a dear John letter that said, the love was gone for years, and that they were just going through the motions but......

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun The same neurotransmitter that react to emotional or romantic stimuli can also respond to and produce the same chemical stimuli produced when consuming chocolate.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

Is it your habit to pick the most irrelevant of my claims to capitalize upon your ignorance? Yes, one of the many neurotransmitters associated with love are produced by chocolate. For the record, most people love chocolate. Good job there.

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun "but one which has been thrust upon me by theist majority to call me an outsider worthy of persecution"

Again I ask, who is persecuting you? This includes threats against your liberty. Please tell me. Those are your words.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

I call you an ignorant worthy of schooling. Does this mean I am educating you? Do you see the difference between what I have actually said and what you wanted me to say?

[benthemiester]

@rkyeun "I call you an ignorant worthy of schooling"

If your going to call anyone ignorant your going to have to learn to put sentences together better than the one above.

[rkyeun]

@benthemiester

Way to bypass the question.

Does CALLING YOU worthy of something BESTOW that something upon you?

No, it does not. READ WHAT YOU WOULD CRITIQUE.

The contraction for "you are" is "you're," by the way.

[atheismisgreat1]

@benthemiester The whole belief system is not to mock other beliefs. That's just something you said so you would have an excuse to make a insult.

This is called a joke. I guess where you come from they don't have jokes.

[benthemiester]

@atheismisgreat1 "The whole belief system is not to mock other beliefs"

According to this video & the mindset of many in this org, thats exactly what it is. In fact from my experience most atheist orgs spend unusual amounts of time dedicated to renouncing & mocking Christianity more so than any other doctrine. In contrast I dont believe that I've ever even heard a sermon in any church that I've been in that was based on or even mentioned atheist.

Don't get upset. I was just joking.

[atheismisgreat1]

@benthemiester Just because their joking around means the whole belief system is to mock other beliefs? This is one video. Now you're just stereotyping Atheist and that's is childish. Grow up and learn to take a joke.

[benthemiester]

@atheism So mocking a fundamental doctrine such as the Baptism is OK, because & just a joke, but pointing out that most new agers are atheist is childish? Wow, talk about a soft skin & dual standards. Wheres all this ET evidence? Have u ever met an ET or know where to find 1? Yes it takes a certain amount of faith to believe in God, but there is also scientific evidence in the form of the "fine tuning problem" & BIO integrated complexity which caused Anthony Flew to finally renounce atheism.

[TeresaPiers]

WTF? this guy gave me enough lolz for the night.

[clydedevil]

I felt the holy spirit leaving me! Oh no it was just gas. Excuse me.

[frigginguest]

that was friggin' sacreligious!

AND I FRIGGIN' LOVED IT!!!

[electricrobot]

Where is Joe Zamecki?

[aajoeyjo]

Yeah! Wish I could've been there! :o)

[Emanresu56]

I want to get baptized just so I can have a debaptism!

[jesusfreaks40]

that was terrible!

[lowii]

It didn't hurt at all! Just lots of fun. People were starting to get concerned though!

[ThePinkBubblies]

I love you Jonathan!

[wasabimrbird]

OMG, that looked like he was in real pain for the first part. That's terrible!

[pomeroy82]

LMFAO!!!!! that was funny as shit!!!