I've played this clip a few times now, trying to find some substance. His argument is simply that some scientists (Who? How many?) find science and Christianity compatible. That's it! "So science hasn't really buried Christianity", he concludes. Some argumentation!
Christian scientists cannot use science to prove that their version of God xists anymore that nonbelieving scientists can prove that He does not. But if by the word,'God', you are refering to the God of the ancient Isrealites,I 'm pretty sure that that God never xisted anymore than any of the other ancient Gods.The Jealous God of Moses is the same God of Christianity and Islamists,and just look back at history and see what a mess those believers have brought with them.Bloodshed and War,no LOVE!!
@GARYWERSLEY Bloodshed and war is the result of prideful people having any opposition to themselves. Just look back at history in this light and you will see that every war is the result of this. People make the mess regardless.
@Redington931 In the case of those who worship the God of Moses bloodshed and war comes about because of Exodus 34:10-17. Eligah obeyed the Command of God and set the example to follow, Christianity carried it on thru-out history and Mad Islamists carry on the Holy Bloody tradition even today.
@GARYWERSLEY Justice is an obligation; mercy is not because demanding mercy would make it into an obligation. God alone is obligated to meter out justice as necessity but takes no sick delight in it because that would be contrary to His nature. For mercy to have any meaning, justice must be done on His terms alone (in the instance you speak of), not ours because we are far less sufficient in our nature to meter out justice perfectly. I also need to understand what your view of justice is.
@Redington931 Not sure what 'Justice is an obligation' means.God meters out Justice but not Mercy?With theGod of Moses there is no Mercy?Perhaps itis the Righteous believer who gets some sort of sick delight in meting out what he percieves as Gods will,slaughtering the nonbeliever.Perhaps it has always been that way thru history and continues to be so today,with mad Islamists destroying their own lives and others in their suicidal attacks on those of other faiths.Does God approve of such action?
@GARYWERSLEY Are you saying that the God of Moses,whose name is JEALOUS!, is a God of no MERCY!?
A God who Demands blood for nonbelief. A God that DEMANDS worship, or face an Eternity in Torment.A God of Bloody Sacrifice that even Demands the bloody painful death of His own Son?As a Bloody Sacrife, to Appease Him?
The biggest Evil in the minds of those who believe in such a God is nonbelief.This is probly why all the faiths that believe in it are intolerent of each other and nonbelief.Madness.
@GARYWERSLEY He is sufficiently merciful to those who genuinely choose to do right. He is still merciful to sustain everyone's lives even though they willingly choose to do wrong and defy Him. But there has to be still a real right and wrong in order for our choices to be genuine and not under some kind of coercion. The moment one is coerced means he did not freely choose; losing the genuineness. God holds all accountable for their actions because He does not coerce them in any way.
@Redington931 There can be no coercion in religeon.That is what some religeous people say,while at the same time telling us that nonbelief is evil and should be punished with death.All the faiths that worship the Jealous God of Moses have said similar things as this thru history.This comes about becos the faiths that believe in the God of Moses all claim that they alone are the only way to Salvation,and anyone who disagrees with them is considered to be evil.These faiths are a curse upon mankind
@GARYWERSLEY Religious people will ultimately twist the truth into meaning that you have to earn your way into being loved by God. Christ tells us that God loves us regardless in that He sent Christ to the cross to pay our penalty of sin so that we can be free of it and be able to obey Him (by the power of the Holy Spirit and not of our own power). Yet people are not willing to give up their temporary worldly desires because they somehow think they are more fulfilling than what God offers.
@Redington931 Religeous people tell us that the only way to be loved by God is to have 'faith' in their version of religeon.Those who do not have faith face Eternal Torment in the afterlife.Exodus tells us that those who do not worship the God of Moses will be punished,simply for not worshipping.Suggesting that the God of Moses is a Sychophantic Diety who will send some form of natural disaster,or other form of punishment,to those who ignore Him.There is no such thing as 'Love' with such a God.
@GARYWERSLEY Ezekiel 33:11 "Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live...."
It breaks God's heart for people to sin, though He will not make sin not sin anymore because that would be contrary to His just nature. Sin is absolutely sin, whether in past times, today, or forever.
@GARYWERSLEY The jealousy that you are thinking of is not the kind of jealousy of an infallible being infinite in His nature to love us and hold as accountable. His jealousy is because He never wants us to do wrong and chase after temporary desires that will amount to nothing; yet we continue to do so. Which is why He sent His son in the first place so that all can know how lovingly merciful He is to forgive our sins so that we can love and help each other not on our own fallible justifications.
@Redington931 The God of Moses was the 1st religeon ever to introduce religeous Hatred,which unfortunately we still suffer from today.Exodus 34:10-17.The sooner man realises that this God is no more real than any of the other Gods that man has ever concieved of in his feeble mind,the better the world will be.We only have to look back at history and see all the bloodshed and violence that all the different faiths have brought with them to understand that simple point.FaithDelusionFanaticismHatred
@GARYWERSLEY It does not take long for a person to understand that humanity is what's wrong. We hate, we kill, we covet over things whether there is a God or not. It's so easy for people to use religion to justify their own desires. And a lot of those desires are wanting to have control over other people. You don't even have to look that far back in history to see that many of the bloodiest things that humanity has done were because it desired to be superior over inferior people.
@GARYWERSLEY I would like to know how you come to the conclusion that Judaism is the first religion to introduce religious hatred. Certainly in light of humanity having been capable of "religeous Hatred" long before it was "decreed" by "the God of Moses".
@Redington931 In ancient paganism there was a saying, something like," arguments btween the Gods are btween the Gods".Judaism said that theirs was a Jealous God,Exodus 20:5,who Commanded His followers to destroy all other religions,Exodus 34:10-17.Believers in this Jealous God have been trying to do that almost since the time that Divine Command was uttered by Moses as the spokeman for the God whose name is Jealous.There is no Love in Jealousy, only Tyranny,against those who do not believe.Fact.
@Redington931 The Divine Jealousy of the God of Moses Demands worship.This is a God that punishes for nonworship.Even punishing the children of the nonbeliever down to the 3rd and 4th generation.This is a Tyrannical God, as we can see by the behaviour of the mad Islamists in the present time and the history of Christianity in the past.They both worship the God of Moses and have the same Religeously inspired bloody history.Belief in this God has been a Curse upon mankind thru history.still is.
@GARYWERSLEY Justice has to be absolute or else it will be meaningless and/or contradictory to have anything less. That means hell is where His justice will be absolute for those who absolutely defied and rebelled with their choices and actions. Worship is not solely bowing down before Him, it's doing what He commands of us, which is to love and help others in their times of need and to show people that their lives are not meaningless but do have worth in His eyes when the world does not.
@GARYWERSLEY It's an obligation because it has to be absolute for the nature of His being is absolute. However mercy is not an absolute obligation because it would undermine its definition. Mercy is freely given, not under obligation. His absolute love for us means that His mercy sufficiently sustains our very being. He gives us power of genuinely choosing to do right but never give us a moral right to freely choose wrong for that would invoke contradiction.
Science questions the biblical version of Creation, as it should.The biblical version of creation and the Adam and Eve story do not stand as having any real truth in them.Neither does the story of Jesus.
@GARYWERSLEY Scientists question, science does not have a mind of its own. If one takes the logical foundation science is based on out from under it, the science will become inaccurate with reality at some point. Scientists are good at doing science but can be poor at being philosophers. Things must be taken with a grain of salt. That's just plain skepticism.
@Redington931 Scientists question,religeous people don't.They have 'faith', which is irrational.Religeous people are also probly poor at being philosophers.
@GARYWERSLEY That may be so but please don't make the assumption the rule. It doesn't help the issue. All people are capable of being poor philosophers usually because usually they don't check their pride at the door.
Typical. The instant an atheist receives an answer from a Christian, his/her automatic response is to insult and be completely ignorant and arrogant to the facts that are presented. But notice how irrelevant the atheist's responses is? Responds in way that completely ignores the context and cannot discern that the Christian giving the answer is speaking in general biblical terms (religion, Christianity, God, etc...). C'mon dude....
Universal salvation was for me a heresy, people pleasing idea until I saw passages like this.
Romans 5:19 "for as through the disobedience of the one man,THE MANY were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall THE MANY be constituted righteous."
If you take the book of revelation as the end of Gods plan then of course universal salvation would not make sense; but if you look at Paul's writings and see God will be "all in ALL" then you see love Never fails.
Typical. The instant anyone brings up the Spanish Inquisition, Darfur, or specific fucked up dogmas as a challenge to the Abrahamic god, Christian apologists instantly claim we're CONFUSING God with religion. But notice the first thing he did? Answers the question whether science has buried GOD with, no, science hasn't buried RELIGION. Not a WORD about GOD at all in this who spiel!
this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more aggressive claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
hahaha this guy makes me laugh. How does the fact that more people are choosing to believe in Christianity help support the truth about whether God exists? That's just not logical.
well somehow the flu evolved in a symbiotic relationship with the syringe. right is what your implying right, since your also a population and not an individual?
@Hibachiarenas So anecdotal evidence of a single church is more reliable than the studies with large sample sizes? Thank you for proving my point about education and theism. =)
"if a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then--then what's--what's the point of--of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we--when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing" -Jeffrey Dahmer (FORMER ATHEIST)
Science doesn't deal in miracles. Science deals with what is observable, testable, and repeatable. There's no test for miracles. And while it's technically correct that "Science hasn't disproved miracles"-- what is there to disprove? Show us one objectively undeniable miracle. Just one.
@gtrfurby :) Got a better one, do you? Evolution theory's far from perfect, and it's not meant to be. But it's the clearest inference from the data available.
@gtrfurby It's a process that goes very, very slowly. You can't watch it happening- you won't live long enough. But when you look at the available information, the presence of inter-related life in nested hierarchies fits best. Animals might not speak, but they certainly communicate. Some chimps can even use sign language. They might not have "technology", but crows and chimps can use tools. Check back with their descendants in a couple million years. You might be surprised. ;)
@drumrnva again that is a fatal flaw of evolution:(you won't live long enough.
fill your house full of carbon monoxide and see how long it takes "your lungs to evolve"
its funny how millions and millions of species have somehow survived the process of evolution long enough to breed.
take bulls and put them in a pen and see how long it takes them to have one evolve a reproductive system for reproduction. and there you have evolution survival of the fittest
@gtrfurby Millions have survived; many more have not. Environment's always changing (again, slowly) and what favors a particular creature might change dramatically in the next millennium, causing that creature's population to dwindle. It's happening right now to pandas and cheetahs and tigers. Again, furby: I'm not saying the theory's perfect. But it beats the holy crap out of any theory involving miracles...and anyway, anything involving miracles can't be called a theory. That was my point.
@drumrnva right and my point is in the time frame of a life span of a creature it has to reproduce correctly.
so your theory is fatally flawed. again how is it evolution is true but yet :(
we have the correct atmosphere, in order to breathe, we have lungs that just so happen to work, we reproduce,
again get a 1000 people in a warehouse and slowly change the air to 50% carbon dioxide and see if you evolve? guarantee you will croak before you get an adapted pair of lungs.
@gtrfurby But evolution theory requires a lot of time for a population to adapt, although mass extinctions probably have happened like your warehouse theory. When the atmosphere was different, different creatures were able to live in it. If it changes and doesn't favor creatures which breathe oxygen, then it's good-bye to mammalians. There have been times in earth's history when the environment would have been very hostile to us. But we weren't around then. Not sure I'm following you...
@drumrnva my point is precisely this evolution =miracle
so if evolution is to be true than a percentage of those people should be able to adapt and thrive upon the carbon dioxide and then reproduce children with said character traits. within there lifetime because again we do not have a million years to change. let see a gold fish who can live out side the water they should be able to adapt
@gtrfurby Individuals don't evolve. Populations do, and if an environmental change happens suddenly or if a virulent strain of bacteria appears which a population can't recover from, then that population doesn't pass on its genes. Again- this has happened many times. Most populations are NOT in this for the long haul. Many have gone extinct, which is what we would expect if evolution happens.
@gtrfurby Further: it's thanks to understanding evolution and genetic research that humans live longer healthier lives than they used to. Ever had a flu shot? If you have, then you affirm evolution.
It's sad that people keep saying (and without base) that we Christians do not think for ourselves. The Bible allows fully for us to question our faith, because it has nothing to hide, and everything to prove. Try that in Islam. Or in science, for that matter. Question Darwinism in public school or in government and feel the wrath. ;)
@13stevejohnson in natural circumstances yes science has disproved those things. but not supernaturally! The Lord can go past science! He created these phisical laws of the universe.
@13stevejohnson Because of the Bible. It has proben itself time and time again. Look up stuff about a one world gov, one world currency, and it also talk's about how water evaporates into the sky and rains back down when they couldn't have known that in their time. There are plenty of other things as well. I can tell when I am looking at a child of God, I can see it in their eyes that there is something different. And that right there says ALOT! You cant tell when your looking at a buhdist.
@MissKatRob Yes! In Revelation it talks about one of the horsemen given a power to make people war against each other. Today the idea of divide and conquer is a household concept. Was this so in the 1st century?
@MissKatRob I Usually dont respond to 2 month comments but id have to say what you said was true. I'm not sure on the God part but being able to tell if their a good person or not. One of the greatest and worst gifts at the same time.
"My entire problem with Christianity & the Catholic Church is in how they treat people! To devalue those who do not THINK as you do! posted 2 days ago by MrGoodNKinky.."
-how ironic that thats your problem with Christianity and thats exactly how you are..
I find it laughable how like so many Christian's this guy assumes the word God means his tribal based deity.
The vast majority of Gods in human history that have been worshipped Christians would agree are not real. The only hang up is their God which if you actually look at the bible never claims to creating the universe!
The word Heavens in Genesis 1:1 mans the Sky!
The first commandment this Lord God lists leading them from Egypt as what is did!
So obviously you believe your views are superior. Would you like Christians to believe what you believe? If so, what would you like for us to consider as truth?
Christianity hasn't lead social justice and equality but fights it every step of the way!
The ending of Slavery, Women getting equal rights and now Gay rights. When the subject comes up Christians fight hard against the change and use their Bible and their God to justify and try and maintain their dehumanization position.
With the Inquisitions we can see very clearly what happens to those who go against the religion when that religion is in political power.
"Dehumanizing people all based on your religious bullshit is definately Inferior and needs to be evolved beyond!"
What is your idea for human flourishing? What do you recommend? Or are you going to just continue ranting without offering alternatives to Christianity? Perhaps, since this is a video about science and God, you can explain how science can help us move toward a more equitable future?
All people having the same EQUAL RIGHTS! Marriage not being limited to what your group thinks. Especially when homosexuality in nature is as common as hetrosexuality! Science has proven this fact! Religion ignores the fact and tries to lie to maintain their prejudice.
If a God is to be discovered it will come by science not religion. Considering religion does the God wins by default which stops their search not begins it!
Evangelical Quakers were at the forefront of women's sufferage. Christians also were at the forefront of presenting anti-slavery petitions and the formation of the Anti-Slavery Society.
You raise other points that are in need of further discussion... if you like I could send you many links that give far better time and treatment.
1 Blanche Glassman Hersh, The Slavery of Sex: Feminist-Abolitionists in America (Urbana: University of Illinois, 1978), p. 138.
Christian's are also doing their DAMNEST to keep homosexuals from having EQUAL RIGHTS!
Given how they are acting towards the CURRENT group trying to get equal rights you fuckers can't exactly LIE about how CHRISTIANS ACTED when the issue was Women's right or ending Slavery.
Especially when the bible condones Slavery & Puts women in a role of Property / Subserviance!
It wasn't that long ago CHRISTIANS used "Thou Shalt Not Suffer a Witch To Live" as God Approving of Witch Burnings!
For one you need to look at the sociology of the culture at that time.
The social standards change overtime but where exactly the change begins is hard if not impossible to really detect.
The thing is once the change is started those that resist Blacks getting equal rights, Women getting Equal rights are the same ones now fighting Homosexuals getting equal rights.
The Christians!
The truth is Christian's can and do quote their bible to excuse their Hate!
Mr. GoodNKinky, you are right about that one. "Christians" do use the bible for hate but then again there are ones that quote the Bible to tell the truth. It was Christians who led the battle. All atheists can and do do is claim religion as irrelevant and non-sensical and try to do social causes which were lead by Christians in the western world such as hospices and charity.
@bquimba The fact is that those who supported slavery were able to qoute the Bible in their support. Altho there were some who were against oppresion and persecution the Bible supports it. Much like the Islamic scriptures,describing nonbelievers as being lower somehow than believers and suggesting that believers should control the nonbelievers.This is the root of religeous intolerencewhich is inherent in all the faiths that believe in the Jealous God of Moses.As practiced today by Mad Islamists
@GARYWERSLEY And that is what the religion of man seeks to accomplish: control for themselves. Pride always twists the truth. It doesn't have to take much of a twist for it to be used for prideful agendas. God's purpose was ultimately Christ crucified on the cross for the redemption of souls. God continually used the nation of Israel to show His divine purpose throughout the old covenant because it was preparation for the new covenant.
@GARYWERSLEY Under the new covenant, there is no way I myself have any right to judge anyone else. I am not God. At must, I am only able to judge my own actions. Those who continue to judge others in the sense that you seem to imply are more than likely doing it out of their own pride and need to convince themselves that they are right in doing so; they are most likely not. But there is a difference between judging someone in attempt to manipulate them and understanding truth.
@GARYWERSLEY And there was never any possibility of people under the old covenant to be called righteous by their own merit or worth; only God is righteous. I cannot speak for Islam but since they deny Jesus' deity so I see little point in lumping Islam with Christianity or perhaps Judaism for that matter because it's certainly possible for man to believe in the same name of God for their own designs.
@GARYWERSLEY Even those who may profess to Christian and yet act no different from the rest of the world are likely to be deluded into thinking that Christ somehow justifies them to still live in sin. Those who truly desire to follow Christ will not act like the world and think like the world. Including what they think is okay in judging people.
@GARYWERSLEY Religious intolerance as you are describing it is more than likely full of pride. For if we really judge others, we will be judged the same way as well because people fully know well enough that they are not perfect. I'm not intolerant of you because I doubt real intolerance would bother wanting to understand what you think/believe.
@Redington931 Religeous Intolerence is Inherent in all the faiths that worship the God of Moses.Believers in this God are Commanded,at Exodus 34:10-17,to destroy other religions.Jew,Christian and Islamist has been trying to follow that Divine Commandment and that is why there has been so much violence and intolerence in the name of the God of Moses thru-out history and still is today.The unfortunate fact is that the God of Moses isa God who demands Death! for nonbelief.A God who Demands Blood!
It doesn't take science to 'bury' god. The concept 'god' has no ontology, and it makes precious little sense to speak of one as 'existing'. The project fails from the very start, before science can even evaluate it. Because of this, 'god' cannot fill in any gaps in knowledge either, since it constitutes no knowledge at all. Put 'god' there and you still have a gap.
Christians would believe in metaphysical truth that includes God as the beginning of all things created. What is your definition of existing? Is existence undefinable?
The idea of a consciousness behind the universe as being the Christian God is laughable. Christians clearly do not know the difference between Deism & Theism.
There is no Metaphysical nature of the Christian God in the bible.
Theism is based on the idea of a personal deity. One which cares about human lives.
Deism is a belief in a creative force that doesn't get involved in personal issues.
Christians want to use Deism to claim their Theistic God is real which is a lie!
"There is no Metaphysical nature of the Christian God in the bible." How so?
I believe it is there validity in considering a spiritual realm that is as real as the physical realm. If not, then we will have a short conversation. I don't believe God as an arm-chair God but a God who is actively a part of human interaction and the evolution of species. I believe that Theists are able to mesh scientific theory and theology coherently.
Oh yes and your beloved Quackers like John Knox were at the front of the line with pushing for Witch burnings!
Really showing that LOVING CHRISTIAN nature!
All someone had to be was ACCUSED of witchcraft or Heresay and YOU FUCKING CHRISTIANS would torture them until they confessed then you would torture then to death!
Exactly WHERE in there is that LOVE OF JESUS you fuckers want to ramble about? EXACTLY WHERE?
My point is Religion is Evil. Christian's lead the pack in EVIL!
To praise a god that uses threats and torture on those that do not have the right Thoughts is pure evil.
For evil of that degree it takes religion!
What is fortunate for all of us is the stupid god myth is not real.
Unfortunately for the millions upon millions that have been tortured in the name of the Christian god the Christian's are real and do pose a serious threat to human welfare!
@MrGoodNKinky To your first comment I totally agree. Religion is evil. People use God to control others in order to increase their own power. The belief that one can earn their way to heaven by their own works, on a global level, leads to cultural imperialism, racism, etc. The truth of the gospel is counterintuitive to this. It is terrible that people use religion for power and dominance, and so many in the name of Christ, but they are not really serving Christ but themselves as God.
@MrGoodNKinky I disagree with this second comment because the Nazi's removed God from their notion and philosophy of life, and they went on to exterminate millions of people, so you can't really say that people aren't evil without a God notion. You can see the same in Soviet Russia, where God's removal from life caused the oppression and death of the poor, the very people communism was set up to save.
@MrGoodNKinky I would contend that when the Christian God is applied to culture in line with the Gospel, racism is broken, ethnocentrism is washed away and oppression of the poor ends. Unfortunately, many Christians are foolish and use God as a means to happiness and power. He is no longer a God to them, they set power, success, money, profit, themselves, etc. as God and this poisons the culture.
Really look at how the bible talks about Slavery, Women as property, and hate towards homosexuals. hell look at how Christians act toward homosexuals and you can get a glimpse back in time to how they acted when Slavery was in question. (The KKK is a Christian group they base their shit on the bible!)
Women's right were strongly opposed by the fundimentalists.
Hell some sects of Christianity still have women sitting on the opposite side of the building in their churches!
Just because the KKK base their belief on the Bible does not make it true. There are scriptures that explicitly condemn racism by the fact that everyone is equal. But you don't care to know that because you already have in it your mind what is and isn't Christianity.
What I have used to base my view of Christianity on is How Christian's have acted over the past 2 thousand years.
The Inquisitions lasted nearly 1,000 years. As if that isn't bad enough many Christian's Still to this Day have the inquisition mindset. (Think as We Say Or Be Burned In Fire Forever)
They have Not learned that behavior is Wrong!
Many Christian's opposed Blacks, Women & now Homosexuals getting Equal Rights!
Many Christian's want to Dictate who has what Rights!
You are talking about society not Religion. Society as a whole opposed the rights of blacks, and women along with a whole host of other minorities...
Also the rights of women and minorities have always been a difficult fight in every country. Take the middle east where Islam restricts w omen's right to wear what they desire and go where they want.
Look at the the US and The homosexuals
Look at the history books. It has been society as a whole that desires to oppose groups.
@MrGoodNKinky, in this world human beings with sexual perversions are free to blasphemy Jesus Christ. In the next world, it's an entirely different matter. There is no such thing as 'rights'. You are saved by God's grace.
@MrGoodNKinky, you are under the influence of demons. So you are coming across as if you are completely out of your mind in a public forum. Aren't you embarassed? ... Not likely. Get help. Get saved. God bless.
@MrGoodNKinky, ... obviously not. Your channel is full of demons, satanic symbols, pornography. Looks like you didn't bother to go to the link I sent you. Oh well, another human soul for God's cosmic waste disposal.
@MrGoodNKinky Typically quotation marks are used to indicate that you are pulling a quote, not presenting your own statement - or straw man in this case. If you need to deceive yourself to justify your rebellion, that is your right I suppose. Yes it's true that the Inquisition took part in state trials that killed about 5 people a year for over 1,000 years - not much defense against that. I suspect the sense of persecution that you feel is disingenuous, following the deceptions in your argument.
From what I have found it is impossible to know exactly how many were killed / tortured given no records of the deaths were kept! However You are claiming a specific amount so Prove Your Claim!
Just because my Thoughts are different then Yours doesn't justify me to be Tortured! To base anything simply on the Thoughts in a persons Head has got to be the dumbest and most Tyrantical method to go by!
The God figure was never a Spirit thing. It was always a means of manipulation and control through ignorance and fear.
Christian's make up what is and isn't a Sin based on cultural behaviors They do not agree with or They view as wrong. When no where inhe Ten Commandments does it say Everything that is wrong or negative is a Sin.
They just make up the parts they need and twist the rest to suit their agenda!
@MrGoodNKinky did you think that up yourself? because i've heard these exact things quoted by atheists numerous times.. i think its funny that atheists say that we are the 'indoctrinated' ones..
The fact that it is something that Atheists have realized doesn't mean it is not true.
The way i term things is specific to me even if the general idea is one that is shared by many Atheists.
You refuse to address the facts of this because there is no denail oof the fact that you worship Thought Crime! You want someone telling you what you must think and do!
You want slavery and i say fine but why must you demand I be a slave too?
@MrGoodNKinky Can you please explain to me how you know all this.. 'i want slavery' 'i want to demand you be a slave and/or tortured' 'how i want someone telling me what to think and do' also explain how my i worship a thought crime.. Thanks in advance..
Your name tells me that you are obsessed with this Jesus figure and John 3:16 advocates Thought Crime.
Unless you Believe (THINK) what you are demanded you think then you are damned. This Jesus regularly refered to this burning pit of Fire called hell which if you look up that Greek word it was Gehenna. A place of Child Sacrifice in fire!
NOT AN AFTER LIFE!
Christianity is all about THINK AS WE SAY OR ELSE!
@MrGoodNKinky Good question. Where is the LOVE? It does appear that the God of Moses only loves those who believe believe in Him.Which is why those faiths that are based on this God are so religeously intolerent of those of other faiths and those of no faith.The Law of Moses was the 1st ever religeously intolerent law,demanding Death for nonbelief,as still practiced by Mad Islamists today,as was practiced by Mad Christians in the past.These faiths can safely be described as !DangerousDelusions!
@bquimba The important question, I think, is 'What IS God'? Until we can get that far, it doesn't make much sense to ask whether it exists, or even bother with a precise definition of existence. "Christians would believe in metaphysical truth" is a curious statement. Christians believe that certain metaphysical claims are true, but that doesn't make them so. "God as the beginning of all things created" presupposes that things really were created, and that a God is necessary to explain them.
Hi thanks for your response. I'm sure you're familiar with the ontological argument that includes philosphers like Descartes and refuted by philosophers like Kant. What do you think of Plantigna take?
@bquimba I haven't read Plantinga's take... I am skeptical that the ontological argument can be rescued from its circularity, but I will take a look at it. At any rate, I am not sure how this is relevant to what we were discussing? As far as I am aware, the argument doesn't address what God *is*, aside from it being 'a supremely perfect being' which doesn't really answer the question. It also doesn't define existence for us...
@bquimba P.S. There is also a version of Plantinga's O.A. at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in which one of the premises are: "3. A being having all of God's properties plus existence in reality can be conceived." I don't agree with this, and my question about what God is was meant to show this... Perhaps you could clarify for me... It would also be worth noting that nothing can be defined into existence, provided we know what we mean by 'existence' ;-)
Its wrong to say that our meanings and morals come from God. When it comes to morals, one thing we do is select the ones that fit our natural morality and reject the ones that do not. This is and obvious problem. This thread however is about how god can only reside in the "gaps" or the things we do not understand. If this is so, God can only become smaller and less majestic as we grow our understanding. I know from experience just how hard it is to let go of belief. I doesn't happen overnight.
the only problem i have with science is that if it can't be proven through science then its either not possible or not even relevant. science can be used for great things but when its used to disprove or prove something like God its impossible.
@reetreetbarkbark Why should science have to be proven through science in order for it to be possible? Usually proof by reference to the very thing to be proved is called a circular reasoning fallacy. It makes no sense to expect science to commit a fallacy in order to validate itself. And then, how do you come to the idea that it would not be relevant if it cannot do this?
Made God completely unnecessary -- I hear that a lot. And almost as often I hear "atheists" making deals with God in times of need... "Dear God, if you just get me out of this horrible situation, please, please... I swear I'll believe in you..." Then, fast forward. Crisis averted, and Mr. Atheist is back to hating and fighting the God upon whose name he called a while before, who so graciously kept him from crashing. It's a story so many share in common, with a select few who actually repent.
@hinterstella How has science made God unnecessary? Science deals with the way the world is wired, that is all. If you don't care for meaning, life, morality, ideals, justice, pleasure, etc etc, then God is not necessary. The problem is that we are more than matter. Ideas have consequences and the idea that we are a cosmic math problem and nothing more is to strip this world of any meaning, which will not hold up under any kind of real scrutiny. Love exists, life has meaning, God is not dead.
@sofiadragon1979 That is interesting. My sister has done several years of biomedical research in Boston. She and many of her PhD co-workers are strong believers. 2% at best? Where does that statistic come from?
There is no place for God in science because the scientific method cannot prove miraculous works. However, it cannot repeat single celled evolution either so I'm quite confused on how this "science has dropped the bomb on Christianity" deal.
@Deej1188 Science dropped the bomb on Christianity when it discovered that humans are a product of evolution, not adam and eve. And if there was no adam and eve, there was no sin, and so no reason for Jesus to die.
Also, modern neuroscience shows quite clearly that a mind cannot exist without a brain.
@zakiechan Science has proved that evolution exists. It hasn't proved that WE are a product of sheer evolution. According to the rules of science, it can't prove the big bang theory or that humans evolved from primates. It's more logical to say that religion is stupid because people choose to believe in supernatural stuff rather than trying to say that science has dropped the bomb on Christianity.
What scientific study was that? What was the control on that experiment?
@Deej1188 LOL wtf? What have you been reading? Or maybe that is the problem... you haven't been reading anything?
Seriously, I don't want to sound mean, but no one that has even a basic high school understanding of evolution would say something like that. Heck, even Michael Behe accepts common decent.
As for neuro, look up the work on slip brain patients by michael gazzaniga.
@zakiechan Well, I recently finished my BA in International Relations so maybe I'm a tard when it comes to bio. Are you saying that the theories of Common Descent have been scientifically proven? If so, how have they been proven? My sister has a B.S. in Neuroscience from Wellesley and a PhD from Tufts..hardly a basic high school education.
I don't see how the Split Brain Study proves that this is the only realm...care to enlighten us?
@Deej1188 Well one thing is for sure... you will make a HECK of a lot more money with that degree than one in bio LOL!
Anyway, CD has been proven via nested hierarchies, morphological similarities, endogenous retroviruses, fossils, and genetics (youtube "Kenneth Miller on Common Ancestry with Apes").
Like I said, the evidence is so overwhelming and persuasive, that even Behe accepts it.
@zakiechan One can only hope. If you sell out and do research for gov contractors, bio can make you some bank.
I'm not sure if all of these things PROVE that CD is a law. Studying natural selection in fish proves that evolution exists but can't prove that we evolved from a common primate. I'm not one of those people who believes that everything in our DNA must be useful since "God made it". I'm not even sure what the Christian Endogenous Retrovirus argument is...
@Deej1188 CD is not a law... that only happens in physics. Though, it is a fact. As for the ERV's, there isn't really a "Christian argument", since tons of Christians accept it (Ken Miller, for example). Though, the creationists will usually just obscure the facts.
Google "endogenous retrovirus christian forums" and you can read all about it.
@zakiechan ah. I didn't know what things were called when they were generally accepted as true in the scientific community. I think it's still logical to believe in a creation that isn't as stringent as some Christians want to believe (the Bible never laid out the details some like to push) and still incorporate natural selection and evolution. But in the end, Christianity has elements that supersede common science so I guess there is no way to use science to prove it correct?
@Deej1188 Split brains show that the mind is completely dependent on the brain (this is not controversial at all, ask your sister). By splitting a brain, you get two independent minds with different thoughts, ideas, goals, desires, etc.
So if a mind is dependent on a physical brain, there is no way it could exist once your brain has died. And unless God has a brain... he couldn't exist either.
@zakiechan I'm not doubting for one second the legitimacy of the study. I am absolutely fascinated by things like that. I guess this intends to disprove any chance of there being a realm other than our consciousness here on earth. Unfortunately, we're crazy enough to believe that there are almost no ties between our earthly bodies and our spiritual ones after death. We also believe that God is beyond the limitations of existence through the firing of neurons. I must sound like a douche...
@Deej1188 I would have to agree that that is nothing that ties us to the spiritual realm... but that is just because I don't see any evidence for the spiritual.
Anyway, you seem like a cool person. If you wanna chat more about it all, send me a PM. Otherwise, the comment stuff gets sort of difficult.
Either way, take care. Oh, and I don't have a bio degree, I have a psych degree (which is probably even worse haha). It's ok though, cause I work in video production.
I've played this clip a few times now, trying to find some substance. His argument is simply that some scientists (Who? How many?) find science and Christianity compatible. That's it! "So science hasn't really buried Christianity", he concludes. Some argumentation!
DrHowbeit 2 months ago
Christian scientists cannot use science to prove that their version of God xists anymore that nonbelieving scientists can prove that He does not. But if by the word,'God', you are refering to the God of the ancient Isrealites,I 'm pretty sure that that God never xisted anymore than any of the other ancient Gods.The Jealous God of Moses is the same God of Christianity and Islamists,and just look back at history and see what a mess those believers have brought with them.Bloodshed and War,no LOVE!!
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Bloodshed and war is the result of prideful people having any opposition to themselves. Just look back at history in this light and you will see that every war is the result of this. People make the mess regardless.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 In the case of those who worship the God of Moses bloodshed and war comes about because of Exodus 34:10-17. Eligah obeyed the Command of God and set the example to follow, Christianity carried it on thru-out history and Mad Islamists carry on the Holy Bloody tradition even today.
For it is Written, "Kill the nonbeliever!"
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Justice is an obligation; mercy is not because demanding mercy would make it into an obligation. God alone is obligated to meter out justice as necessity but takes no sick delight in it because that would be contrary to His nature. For mercy to have any meaning, justice must be done on His terms alone (in the instance you speak of), not ours because we are far less sufficient in our nature to meter out justice perfectly. I also need to understand what your view of justice is.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 Not sure what 'Justice is an obligation' means.God meters out Justice but not Mercy?With theGod of Moses there is no Mercy?Perhaps itis the Righteous believer who gets some sort of sick delight in meting out what he percieves as Gods will,slaughtering the nonbeliever.Perhaps it has always been that way thru history and continues to be so today,with mad Islamists destroying their own lives and others in their suicidal attacks on those of other faiths.Does God approve of such action?
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Are you saying that the God of Moses,whose name is JEALOUS!, is a God of no MERCY!?
A God who Demands blood for nonbelief. A God that DEMANDS worship, or face an Eternity in Torment.A God of Bloody Sacrifice that even Demands the bloody painful death of His own Son?As a Bloody Sacrife, to Appease Him?
The biggest Evil in the minds of those who believe in such a God is nonbelief.This is probly why all the faiths that believe in it are intolerent of each other and nonbelief.Madness.
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY He is sufficiently merciful to those who genuinely choose to do right. He is still merciful to sustain everyone's lives even though they willingly choose to do wrong and defy Him. But there has to be still a real right and wrong in order for our choices to be genuine and not under some kind of coercion. The moment one is coerced means he did not freely choose; losing the genuineness. God holds all accountable for their actions because He does not coerce them in any way.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 There can be no coercion in religeon.That is what some religeous people say,while at the same time telling us that nonbelief is evil and should be punished with death.All the faiths that worship the Jealous God of Moses have said similar things as this thru history.This comes about becos the faiths that believe in the God of Moses all claim that they alone are the only way to Salvation,and anyone who disagrees with them is considered to be evil.These faiths are a curse upon mankind
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Religious people will ultimately twist the truth into meaning that you have to earn your way into being loved by God. Christ tells us that God loves us regardless in that He sent Christ to the cross to pay our penalty of sin so that we can be free of it and be able to obey Him (by the power of the Holy Spirit and not of our own power). Yet people are not willing to give up their temporary worldly desires because they somehow think they are more fulfilling than what God offers.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 Religeous people tell us that the only way to be loved by God is to have 'faith' in their version of religeon.Those who do not have faith face Eternal Torment in the afterlife.Exodus tells us that those who do not worship the God of Moses will be punished,simply for not worshipping.Suggesting that the God of Moses is a Sychophantic Diety who will send some form of natural disaster,or other form of punishment,to those who ignore Him.There is no such thing as 'Love' with such a God.
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Ezekiel 33:11 "Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live...."
It breaks God's heart for people to sin, though He will not make sin not sin anymore because that would be contrary to His just nature. Sin is absolutely sin, whether in past times, today, or forever.
Redington931 2 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY The jealousy that you are thinking of is not the kind of jealousy of an infallible being infinite in His nature to love us and hold as accountable. His jealousy is because He never wants us to do wrong and chase after temporary desires that will amount to nothing; yet we continue to do so. Which is why He sent His son in the first place so that all can know how lovingly merciful He is to forgive our sins so that we can love and help each other not on our own fallible justifications.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 The God of Moses was the 1st religeon ever to introduce religeous Hatred,which unfortunately we still suffer from today.Exodus 34:10-17.The sooner man realises that this God is no more real than any of the other Gods that man has ever concieved of in his feeble mind,the better the world will be.We only have to look back at history and see all the bloodshed and violence that all the different faiths have brought with them to understand that simple point.FaithDelusionFanaticismHatred
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY It does not take long for a person to understand that humanity is what's wrong. We hate, we kill, we covet over things whether there is a God or not. It's so easy for people to use religion to justify their own desires. And a lot of those desires are wanting to have control over other people. You don't even have to look that far back in history to see that many of the bloodiest things that humanity has done were because it desired to be superior over inferior people.
Redington931 2 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY I would like to know how you come to the conclusion that Judaism is the first religion to introduce religious hatred. Certainly in light of humanity having been capable of "religeous Hatred" long before it was "decreed" by "the God of Moses".
Redington931 2 months ago
@Redington931 In ancient paganism there was a saying, something like," arguments btween the Gods are btween the Gods".Judaism said that theirs was a Jealous God,Exodus 20:5,who Commanded His followers to destroy all other religions,Exodus 34:10-17.Believers in this Jealous God have been trying to do that almost since the time that Divine Command was uttered by Moses as the spokeman for the God whose name is Jealous.There is no Love in Jealousy, only Tyranny,against those who do not believe.Fact.
GARYWERSLEY 2 months ago
@Redington931 The Divine Jealousy of the God of Moses Demands worship.This is a God that punishes for nonworship.Even punishing the children of the nonbeliever down to the 3rd and 4th generation.This is a Tyrannical God, as we can see by the behaviour of the mad Islamists in the present time and the history of Christianity in the past.They both worship the God of Moses and have the same Religeously inspired bloody history.Belief in this God has been a Curse upon mankind thru history.still is.
GARYWERSLEY 2 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Justice has to be absolute or else it will be meaningless and/or contradictory to have anything less. That means hell is where His justice will be absolute for those who absolutely defied and rebelled with their choices and actions. Worship is not solely bowing down before Him, it's doing what He commands of us, which is to love and help others in their times of need and to show people that their lives are not meaningless but do have worth in His eyes when the world does not.
Redington931 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY It's an obligation because it has to be absolute for the nature of His being is absolute. However mercy is not an absolute obligation because it would undermine its definition. Mercy is freely given, not under obligation. His absolute love for us means that His mercy sufficiently sustains our very being. He gives us power of genuinely choosing to do right but never give us a moral right to freely choose wrong for that would invoke contradiction.
Redington931 3 months ago
Atheist scientists use science to prove there's no God, well they try to, but really what they do is discover him more and more.
gotGodandHislove 4 months ago 3
@gotGodandHislove your really this ignorant arent ya? It stuns me to find that people are literally this dumb, ignorant and purely retarded.
Xarai 2 months ago
Science questions the biblical version of Creation, as it should.The biblical version of creation and the Adam and Eve story do not stand as having any real truth in them.Neither does the story of Jesus.
GARYWERSLEY 4 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY Scientists question, science does not have a mind of its own. If one takes the logical foundation science is based on out from under it, the science will become inaccurate with reality at some point. Scientists are good at doing science but can be poor at being philosophers. Things must be taken with a grain of salt. That's just plain skepticism.
Redington931 3 months ago
@Redington931 Scientists question,religeous people don't.They have 'faith', which is irrational.Religeous people are also probly poor at being philosophers.
Scepticism is the beginning of Wisdom.
GARYWERSLEY 3 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY That may be so but please don't make the assumption the rule. It doesn't help the issue. All people are capable of being poor philosophers usually because usually they don't check their pride at the door.
Redington931 3 months ago
Typical. The instant an atheist receives an answer from a Christian, his/her automatic response is to insult and be completely ignorant and arrogant to the facts that are presented. But notice how irrelevant the atheist's responses is? Responds in way that completely ignores the context and cannot discern that the Christian giving the answer is speaking in general biblical terms (religion, Christianity, God, etc...). C'mon dude....
2row777 4 months ago 8
@2row777 thats funny everytime we prove christians are morons they argue with fuck you etc with no LOGICAL arguement nor intelligent
Xarai 2 months ago
@Xarai
Thanks for proving my previous comment true.
2row777 1 month ago
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Universal salvation was for me a heresy, people pleasing idea until I saw passages like this.
Romans 5:19 "for as through the disobedience of the one man,THE MANY were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall THE MANY be constituted righteous."
If you take the book of revelation as the end of Gods plan then of course universal salvation would not make sense; but if you look at Paul's writings and see God will be "all in ALL" then you see love Never fails.
motibi 4 months ago
Typical. The instant anyone brings up the Spanish Inquisition, Darfur, or specific fucked up dogmas as a challenge to the Abrahamic god, Christian apologists instantly claim we're CONFUSING God with religion. But notice the first thing he did? Answers the question whether science has buried GOD with, no, science hasn't buried RELIGION. Not a WORD about GOD at all in this who spiel!
JoeWantsCake 4 months ago
wow so much hate here.
ernestas111 4 months ago
He´s funny...:)
HKragh 5 months ago
Lolno
kaleidoscopeye 6 months ago
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this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more aggressive claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
hahaha this guy makes me laugh. How does the fact that more people are choosing to believe in Christianity help support the truth about whether God exists? That's just not logical.
DjLumbee 8 months ago
well somehow the flu evolved in a symbiotic relationship with the syringe. right is what your implying right, since your also a population and not an individual?
gtrfurby 9 months ago
Individuals don't evolve. Populations do
wow so your a population? how many are you ?
gtrfurby 9 months ago
Christianity is growing but not among the educated.
Benwoodruff 10 months ago
@Benwoodruff If you walked inside his church you would quickly realise how wrong you were.
Hibachiarenas 10 months ago
@Hibachiarenas So anecdotal evidence of a single church is more reliable than the studies with large sample sizes? Thank you for proving my point about education and theism. =)
Benwoodruff 10 months ago
@Benwoodruff Ahh, but his one church has already morphed into 4 churches my friend, and wouldn't you know it, it's filled with "intellectuals"!!!
But yeah, they've done studies, so you win. :)
Hibachiarenas 10 months ago
@Benwoodruff...how much research did you yourself put in when you posted this? i doubt very little, which therefore shows the irony of atheists.
iregula411 9 months ago
@iregula411 Actually I have conducted research on this very issue. That is what we do in academia. =)
I don't think you know what irony means btw.
Benwoodruff 9 months ago
Weak answer.
slick222 11 months ago
@slick222 Weak listening.
CarlosMarti123 10 months ago
Jeffrey Dahmer quotes to win the day!
tristan9812 11 months ago
"if a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then--then what's--what's the point of--of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we--when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing" -Jeffrey Dahmer (FORMER ATHEIST)
Morality has buried atheism
IloveYOUviruses 11 months ago
"Science simply hasn't burried (sic) religion." lol Wish they'd learn to spell.
Just more nonsense. This is what you guys have to offer?
fanadfilms 1 year ago
Science doesn't deal in miracles. Science deals with what is observable, testable, and repeatable. There's no test for miracles. And while it's technically correct that "Science hasn't disproved miracles"-- what is there to disprove? Show us one objectively undeniable miracle. Just one.
drumrnva 1 year ago
@drumrnva the evolution theory its a miracle people still believe in that crap.
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby :) Got a better one, do you? Evolution theory's far from perfect, and it's not meant to be. But it's the clearest inference from the data available.
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva yeah, I just wonder how nothing has evolved to our level yet.
animals don't speak human dialects , don't have technology, nor have hospitals.
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby It's a process that goes very, very slowly. You can't watch it happening- you won't live long enough. But when you look at the available information, the presence of inter-related life in nested hierarchies fits best. Animals might not speak, but they certainly communicate. Some chimps can even use sign language. They might not have "technology", but crows and chimps can use tools. Check back with their descendants in a couple million years. You might be surprised. ;)
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva again that is a fatal flaw of evolution:(you won't live long enough.
fill your house full of carbon monoxide and see how long it takes "your lungs to evolve"
its funny how millions and millions of species have somehow survived the process of evolution long enough to breed.
take bulls and put them in a pen and see how long it takes them to have one evolve a reproductive system for reproduction. and there you have evolution survival of the fittest
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby Millions have survived; many more have not. Environment's always changing (again, slowly) and what favors a particular creature might change dramatically in the next millennium, causing that creature's population to dwindle. It's happening right now to pandas and cheetahs and tigers. Again, furby: I'm not saying the theory's perfect. But it beats the holy crap out of any theory involving miracles...and anyway, anything involving miracles can't be called a theory. That was my point.
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva right and my point is in the time frame of a life span of a creature it has to reproduce correctly.
so your theory is fatally flawed. again how is it evolution is true but yet :(
we have the correct atmosphere, in order to breathe, we have lungs that just so happen to work, we reproduce,
again get a 1000 people in a warehouse and slowly change the air to 50% carbon dioxide and see if you evolve? guarantee you will croak before you get an adapted pair of lungs.
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby But evolution theory requires a lot of time for a population to adapt, although mass extinctions probably have happened like your warehouse theory. When the atmosphere was different, different creatures were able to live in it. If it changes and doesn't favor creatures which breathe oxygen, then it's good-bye to mammalians. There have been times in earth's history when the environment would have been very hostile to us. But we weren't around then. Not sure I'm following you...
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva my point is precisely this evolution =miracle
so if evolution is to be true than a percentage of those people should be able to adapt and thrive upon the carbon dioxide and then reproduce children with said character traits. within there lifetime because again we do not have a million years to change. let see a gold fish who can live out side the water they should be able to adapt
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby Individuals don't evolve. Populations do, and if an environmental change happens suddenly or if a virulent strain of bacteria appears which a population can't recover from, then that population doesn't pass on its genes. Again- this has happened many times. Most populations are NOT in this for the long haul. Many have gone extinct, which is what we would expect if evolution happens.
drumrnva 9 months ago
@gtrfurby Further: it's thanks to understanding evolution and genetic research that humans live longer healthier lives than they used to. Ever had a flu shot? If you have, then you affirm evolution.
drumrnva 9 months ago
@drumrnva so how did the flu shot get in the syringe?
gtrfurby 9 months ago
@gtrfurby ?? Um...not sure where you're going with this.
drumrnva 9 months ago
Buried!--not burried.
sbeallvln 1 year ago
It's sad that people keep saying (and without base) that we Christians do not think for ourselves. The Bible allows fully for us to question our faith, because it has nothing to hide, and everything to prove. Try that in Islam. Or in science, for that matter. Question Darwinism in public school or in government and feel the wrath. ;)
Virikel 1 year ago
@Virikel Amen! To the advocates of scientism: Me thinks thou dost protest too much!
caveatemp 1 year ago
virgin births, flying in the sky, zombies, talking snakes, yep science has not demolished these ideas...
13stevejohnson 1 year ago
@13stevejohnson in natural circumstances yes science has disproved those things. but not supernaturally! The Lord can go past science! He created these phisical laws of the universe.
MissKatRob 1 year ago
@MissKatRob
and you know this how?
13stevejohnson 1 year ago
@13stevejohnson Because of the Bible. It has proben itself time and time again. Look up stuff about a one world gov, one world currency, and it also talk's about how water evaporates into the sky and rains back down when they couldn't have known that in their time. There are plenty of other things as well. I can tell when I am looking at a child of God, I can see it in their eyes that there is something different. And that right there says ALOT! You cant tell when your looking at a buhdist.
MissKatRob 1 year ago
@MissKatRob Yes! In Revelation it talks about one of the horsemen given a power to make people war against each other. Today the idea of divide and conquer is a household concept. Was this so in the 1st century?
caveatemp 1 year ago
@MissKatRob I Usually dont respond to 2 month comments but id have to say what you said was true. I'm not sure on the God part but being able to tell if their a good person or not. One of the greatest and worst gifts at the same time.
Melexonitrate 11 months ago
"My entire problem with Christianity & the Catholic Church is in how they treat people! To devalue those who do not THINK as you do! posted 2 days ago by MrGoodNKinky.."
-how ironic that thats your problem with Christianity and thats exactly how you are..
inhalejesus 1 year ago
@inhalejesus
i do not devaule anyone.
I simply oppose those who want to deamnd I THINK AS THEY SAY!
Why the fuck is this hard for you to grasp?
you want to believe in a sadistic Casper FINE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND OUT OF OUR SOCIETY!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
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@MrGoodNKinky you need a serious reality check lol..
inhalejesus 1 year ago
I find it laughable how like so many Christian's this guy assumes the word God means his tribal based deity.
The vast majority of Gods in human history that have been worshipped Christians would agree are not real. The only hang up is their God which if you actually look at the bible never claims to creating the universe!
The word Heavens in Genesis 1:1 mans the Sky!
The first commandment this Lord God lists leading them from Egypt as what is did!
Soul = Breathing Animal
Spirt = Breath
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
So obviously you believe your views are superior. Would you like Christians to believe what you believe? If so, what would you like for us to consider as truth?
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
I would like to see the suffering and death and division which religion breeds to end yes.
I do not feel it is healthy or good for a society to have one group looking at any that is not just like them as diserving endless torture.
We have over 700 years of history showing what that type of mindset leads to.
It is FAR from a loving result!
Dehumanizing people all based on your religious bullshit is definately Inferior and needs to be evolved beyond!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
"I would like to see the suffering and death and division which religion breeds to end yes."
Religion is part of the problem.
"I do not feel it is healthy or good for a society to have one group looking at any that is not just like them as diserving endless torture."
I agree.
"We have over 700 years of history showing what that type of mindset leads to."
I would argue that Christianiy has been at the forefront of social justice and equality.
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
Christianity hasn't lead social justice and equality but fights it every step of the way!
The ending of Slavery, Women getting equal rights and now Gay rights. When the subject comes up Christians fight hard against the change and use their Bible and their God to justify and try and maintain their dehumanization position.
With the Inquisitions we can see very clearly what happens to those who go against the religion when that religion is in political power.
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
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@MrGoodNKinky
"Dehumanizing people all based on your religious bullshit is definately Inferior and needs to be evolved beyond!"
What is your idea for human flourishing? What do you recommend? Or are you going to just continue ranting without offering alternatives to Christianity? Perhaps, since this is a video about science and God, you can explain how science can help us move toward a more equitable future?
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
Well let's start at the top.
All people having the same EQUAL RIGHTS! Marriage not being limited to what your group thinks. Especially when homosexuality in nature is as common as hetrosexuality! Science has proven this fact! Religion ignores the fact and tries to lie to maintain their prejudice.
If a God is to be discovered it will come by science not religion. Considering religion does the God wins by default which stops their search not begins it!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@bquimba
Social changes have occured not because of Christianity but rather inspite of it!
If the Christian's would have had their way Black people would still be slaves.
Women would still be considered property and not equal to men.
Homosexuals are having their rights limited by Christians trying their damnest to keep that group below them!
Christianity doesn't promote a healthy society but discourages it!
We must evolve beyond the tribalism of religion or religion will kill us all!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
Evangelical Quakers were at the forefront of women's sufferage. Christians also were at the forefront of presenting anti-slavery petitions and the formation of the Anti-Slavery Society.
You raise other points that are in need of further discussion... if you like I could send you many links that give far better time and treatment.
1 Blanche Glassman Hersh, The Slavery of Sex: Feminist-Abolitionists in America (Urbana: University of Illinois, 1978), p. 138.
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
That is pure Bullshit!
If the Quakers would've done so much for women's rights WHY DIDN'T WOMEN GET EQUAL RIGHTS UNTIL THE 1960's?
Not the 1860'S
As far as the anti slavery thing that too is a joke given it took the CIVIL WAR to start to bring an end to Slavery in America!
It wasn't anything the Quakers were involved in.
Clearly you are trying to look at history with rose colored glasses!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@bquimba
Christian's are also doing their DAMNEST to keep homosexuals from having EQUAL RIGHTS!
Given how they are acting towards the CURRENT group trying to get equal rights you fuckers can't exactly LIE about how CHRISTIANS ACTED when the issue was Women's right or ending Slavery.
Especially when the bible condones Slavery & Puts women in a role of Property / Subserviance!
It wasn't that long ago CHRISTIANS used "Thou Shalt Not Suffer a Witch To Live" as God Approving of Witch Burnings!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
Wonder why the atheists didn't lead the charge for blacks to not be slaves in America.
loseuwill 9 months ago
@loseuwill
For one you need to look at the sociology of the culture at that time.
The social standards change overtime but where exactly the change begins is hard if not impossible to really detect.
The thing is once the change is started those that resist Blacks getting equal rights, Women getting Equal rights are the same ones now fighting Homosexuals getting equal rights.
The Christians!
The truth is Christian's can and do quote their bible to excuse their Hate!
MrGoodNKinky 9 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky
Mr. GoodNKinky, you are right about that one. "Christians" do use the bible for hate but then again there are ones that quote the Bible to tell the truth. It was Christians who led the battle. All atheists can and do do is claim religion as irrelevant and non-sensical and try to do social causes which were lead by Christians in the western world such as hospices and charity.
loseuwill 8 months ago
@bquimba The fact is that those who supported slavery were able to qoute the Bible in their support. Altho there were some who were against oppresion and persecution the Bible supports it. Much like the Islamic scriptures,describing nonbelievers as being lower somehow than believers and suggesting that believers should control the nonbelievers.This is the root of religeous intolerencewhich is inherent in all the faiths that believe in the Jealous God of Moses.As practiced today by Mad Islamists
GARYWERSLEY 2 months ago
@GARYWERSLEY And that is what the religion of man seeks to accomplish: control for themselves. Pride always twists the truth. It doesn't have to take much of a twist for it to be used for prideful agendas. God's purpose was ultimately Christ crucified on the cross for the redemption of souls. God continually used the nation of Israel to show His divine purpose throughout the old covenant because it was preparation for the new covenant.
Redington931 1 month ago
@GARYWERSLEY Under the new covenant, there is no way I myself have any right to judge anyone else. I am not God. At must, I am only able to judge my own actions. Those who continue to judge others in the sense that you seem to imply are more than likely doing it out of their own pride and need to convince themselves that they are right in doing so; they are most likely not. But there is a difference between judging someone in attempt to manipulate them and understanding truth.
Redington931 1 month ago
@GARYWERSLEY And there was never any possibility of people under the old covenant to be called righteous by their own merit or worth; only God is righteous. I cannot speak for Islam but since they deny Jesus' deity so I see little point in lumping Islam with Christianity or perhaps Judaism for that matter because it's certainly possible for man to believe in the same name of God for their own designs.
Redington931 1 month ago
@GARYWERSLEY Even those who may profess to Christian and yet act no different from the rest of the world are likely to be deluded into thinking that Christ somehow justifies them to still live in sin. Those who truly desire to follow Christ will not act like the world and think like the world. Including what they think is okay in judging people.
Redington931 1 month ago
@GARYWERSLEY Religious intolerance as you are describing it is more than likely full of pride. For if we really judge others, we will be judged the same way as well because people fully know well enough that they are not perfect. I'm not intolerant of you because I doubt real intolerance would bother wanting to understand what you think/believe.
Redington931 1 month ago
@Redington931 Religeous Intolerence is Inherent in all the faiths that worship the God of Moses.Believers in this God are Commanded,at Exodus 34:10-17,to destroy other religions.Jew,Christian and Islamist has been trying to follow that Divine Commandment and that is why there has been so much violence and intolerence in the name of the God of Moses thru-out history and still is today.The unfortunate fact is that the God of Moses isa God who demands Death! for nonbelief.A God who Demands Blood!
GARYWERSLEY 1 month ago
It doesn't take science to 'bury' god. The concept 'god' has no ontology, and it makes precious little sense to speak of one as 'existing'. The project fails from the very start, before science can even evaluate it. Because of this, 'god' cannot fill in any gaps in knowledge either, since it constitutes no knowledge at all. Put 'god' there and you still have a gap.
eulercircles 1 year ago
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Jugglable 1 year ago
@eulercircles
Christians would believe in metaphysical truth that includes God as the beginning of all things created. What is your definition of existing? Is existence undefinable?
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
The idea of a consciousness behind the universe as being the Christian God is laughable. Christians clearly do not know the difference between Deism & Theism.
There is no Metaphysical nature of the Christian God in the bible.
Theism is based on the idea of a personal deity. One which cares about human lives.
Deism is a belief in a creative force that doesn't get involved in personal issues.
Christians want to use Deism to claim their Theistic God is real which is a lie!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
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@MrGoodNKinky
"There is no Metaphysical nature of the Christian God in the bible." How so?
I believe it is there validity in considering a spiritual realm that is as real as the physical realm. If not, then we will have a short conversation. I don't believe God as an arm-chair God but a God who is actively a part of human interaction and the evolution of species. I believe that Theists are able to mesh scientific theory and theology coherently.
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
Clearly you are delusional for multiple reasons.
IF a God would exist and would give a damn about human lives WHY do we have:
1. Over a Million children starve to death every year!
2. The Inquisitions lasted over 700 YEARS and tortured and killed unknown MILLIONS!
3. Native Americans were nearly GENOCIDED by Christians
There is also the fact that the more we learn about Quantum Physics and the Universe the more it becomes appearant that there is NO GOD!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
You are long on name-calling but short on good sense. You would rather spew hatred than have a reasonable discussion.
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba
I wasn't calling you ANY names in what I said.
I was pointing out HISTORICAL FACT!
Clearly those things are difficult for you to wrap what little brain you have around.
Perhaps that is your way of trying to avoid the real issue!
The truth is you LIED plain and simple and historical facts prove that!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@bquimba
Oh yes and your beloved Quackers like John Knox were at the front of the line with pushing for Witch burnings!
Really showing that LOVING CHRISTIAN nature!
All someone had to be was ACCUSED of witchcraft or Heresay and YOU FUCKING CHRISTIANS would torture them until they confessed then you would torture then to death!
Exactly WHERE in there is that LOVE OF JESUS you fuckers want to ramble about? EXACTLY WHERE?
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky So your point is that humans are evil? Christianity very much agrees with that assertion.
trdcreole 1 year ago
@trdcreole
My point is Religion is Evil. Christian's lead the pack in EVIL!
To praise a god that uses threats and torture on those that do not have the right Thoughts is pure evil.
For evil of that degree it takes religion!
What is fortunate for all of us is the stupid god myth is not real.
Unfortunately for the millions upon millions that have been tortured in the name of the Christian god the Christian's are real and do pose a serious threat to human welfare!
Repect that NEVER!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky To your first comment I totally agree. Religion is evil. People use God to control others in order to increase their own power. The belief that one can earn their way to heaven by their own works, on a global level, leads to cultural imperialism, racism, etc. The truth of the gospel is counterintuitive to this. It is terrible that people use religion for power and dominance, and so many in the name of Christ, but they are not really serving Christ but themselves as God.
trdcreole 1 year ago
@trdcreole
In general Without religion / a God notion people aren't evil.
Self centered & Selfish perhaps.
But for one group to devalue another to the degree where torture is viewed as Good, Right & Just.
That takes a special kind of asshole. One that is pure Evil through and through and that takes Religion!
Chrisitan's pride themselves on using Verbal Abuse and calling it love!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky I disagree with this second comment because the Nazi's removed God from their notion and philosophy of life, and they went on to exterminate millions of people, so you can't really say that people aren't evil without a God notion. You can see the same in Soviet Russia, where God's removal from life caused the oppression and death of the poor, the very people communism was set up to save.
trdcreole 1 year ago
@trdcreole
And China for that matter.
loseuwill 8 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky I would contend that when the Christian God is applied to culture in line with the Gospel, racism is broken, ethnocentrism is washed away and oppression of the poor ends. Unfortunately, many Christians are foolish and use God as a means to happiness and power. He is no longer a God to them, they set power, success, money, profit, themselves, etc. as God and this poisons the culture.
trdcreole 1 year ago
@trdcreole
Really look at how the bible talks about Slavery, Women as property, and hate towards homosexuals. hell look at how Christians act toward homosexuals and you can get a glimpse back in time to how they acted when Slavery was in question. (The KKK is a Christian group they base their shit on the bible!)
Women's right were strongly opposed by the fundimentalists.
Hell some sects of Christianity still have women sitting on the opposite side of the building in their churches!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
Just because the KKK base their belief on the Bible does not make it true. There are scriptures that explicitly condemn racism by the fact that everyone is equal. But you don't care to know that because you already have in it your mind what is and isn't Christianity.
loseuwill 8 months ago
@loseuwill
What I have used to base my view of Christianity on is How Christian's have acted over the past 2 thousand years.
The Inquisitions lasted nearly 1,000 years. As if that isn't bad enough many Christian's Still to this Day have the inquisition mindset. (Think as We Say Or Be Burned In Fire Forever)
They have Not learned that behavior is Wrong!
Many Christian's opposed Blacks, Women & now Homosexuals getting Equal Rights!
Many Christian's want to Dictate who has what Rights!
MrGoodNKinky 8 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky
You are talking about society not Religion. Society as a whole opposed the rights of blacks, and women along with a whole host of other minorities...
Also the rights of women and minorities have always been a difficult fight in every country. Take the middle east where Islam restricts w omen's right to wear what they desire and go where they want.
Look at the the US and The homosexuals
Look at the history books. It has been society as a whole that desires to oppose groups.
foxfire0002 8 months ago
@foxfire0002
Actually in all cases which you mentioned it is Religion in those societies which oppose equal rights the loudest and longest.
It is Religion that tries to use ancient writtings to support their current Social issues / agenda / Prejudice.
In the US those opposing the homosexuals are 100% Religion based!
No Atheist opposes Homosexual equal rights.
Atheists also don't go around doing this Gay bashing garbage.
For stupidity like that it takes Religion / Jesus!
MrGoodNKinky 8 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky, in this world human beings with sexual perversions are free to blasphemy Jesus Christ. In the next world, it's an entirely different matter. There is no such thing as 'rights'. You are saved by God's grace.
voyagersystem 5 months ago
@voyagersystem
So you approve of THOUGHT CRIME how Communist of you.
Clearly you approve of TORTURE which is very INQUISITION MINDSET of you!
The truth is YOU SERVE PURE EVIL!
Only PURE EVIL would be so SCARED by THOUGHTS as to make them a CRIME!
Grace is PAUL MADE BULLSHIT!
Show CHPATER AND VERSE where your fucking JESUS mentioned GRACE!
MrGoodNKinky 5 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky, you are under the influence of demons. So you are coming across as if you are completely out of your mind in a public forum. Aren't you embarassed? ... Not likely. Get help. Get saved. God bless.
voyagersystem 5 months ago
@voyagersystem
LMAO!! I would say the one babbling about Demons is Out of their Mind!
PROVE such things Exist! LMAO! You Psycho!
Christian's have to be the DUMBEST people on the planet!
MrGoodNKinky 5 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky, ... obviously not. Your channel is full of demons, satanic symbols, pornography. Looks like you didn't bother to go to the link I sent you. Oh well, another human soul for God's cosmic waste disposal.
voyagersystem 5 months ago
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@voyagersystem
LMAO Clearly you are one Psycho with Delusional Disorder!
There is No God you stupid Cunt!
That shit is all a Delusion created by Governments as a way to enslave the stupid masses!
Demons and Satanic shit is simply Delusions of the Mentally ill!
Clearly you are off your medication!
That or you seriously need to be under a doctors care because your delusions could become dangerous!
MrGoodNKinky 5 months ago
@loseuwill
There are far more examples of Christian intollerance and Hate then there are of Christian so-called Love.
Even their So-Called love is rooted in Threats, Fear and Manipulation!
The claim I hear Christian's make all the time is, "Every Knee will Bow to Jesus weither they like it or Not!"
This is No Fucking Different from a Rapest saying to a woman you are getting fucked weither you like it or Not!
You Praise a Divine RAPEST!
And I am to respect that?
Fat Chance!
MrGoodNKinky 8 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky Typically quotation marks are used to indicate that you are pulling a quote, not presenting your own statement - or straw man in this case. If you need to deceive yourself to justify your rebellion, that is your right I suppose. Yes it's true that the Inquisition took part in state trials that killed about 5 people a year for over 1,000 years - not much defense against that. I suspect the sense of persecution that you feel is disingenuous, following the deceptions in your argument.
zenowing 8 months ago
@zenowing
5 People a year? Site your Source for this claim!
From what I have found it is impossible to know exactly how many were killed / tortured given no records of the deaths were kept! However You are claiming a specific amount so Prove Your Claim!
Just because my Thoughts are different then Yours doesn't justify me to be Tortured! To base anything simply on the Thoughts in a persons Head has got to be the dumbest and most Tyrantical method to go by!
MrGoodNKinky 8 months ago
@trdcreole
The God figure was never a Spirit thing. It was always a means of manipulation and control through ignorance and fear.
Christian's make up what is and isn't a Sin based on cultural behaviors They do not agree with or They view as wrong. When no where inhe Ten Commandments does it say Everything that is wrong or negative is a Sin.
They just make up the parts they need and twist the rest to suit their agenda!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky did you think that up yourself? because i've heard these exact things quoted by atheists numerous times.. i think its funny that atheists say that we are the 'indoctrinated' ones..
inhalejesus 1 year ago
@inhalejesus
The fact that it is something that Atheists have realized doesn't mean it is not true.
The way i term things is specific to me even if the general idea is one that is shared by many Atheists.
You refuse to address the facts of this because there is no denail oof the fact that you worship Thought Crime! You want someone telling you what you must think and do!
You want slavery and i say fine but why must you demand I be a slave too?
or be tortured.
That is pure Evil!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky Can you please explain to me how you know all this.. 'i want slavery' 'i want to demand you be a slave and/or tortured' 'how i want someone telling me what to think and do' also explain how my i worship a thought crime.. Thanks in advance..
inhalejesus 1 year ago
@inhalejesus
Your name tells me that you are obsessed with this Jesus figure and John 3:16 advocates Thought Crime.
Unless you Believe (THINK) what you are demanded you think then you are damned. This Jesus regularly refered to this burning pit of Fire called hell which if you look up that Greek word it was Gehenna. A place of Child Sacrifice in fire!
NOT AN AFTER LIFE!
Christianity is all about THINK AS WE SAY OR ELSE!
You are a slave 1 Corinthians 6:20 & 7:23
Only a slave is BOUGHT!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky you need to read a little more buddy and stop proof texting scripture :) God bless you..
inhalejesus 1 year ago
@inhalejesus
You want to ignore the basic message of your fucking jesus because you only want to be a mindless slave!
I perfer to actually Think and having MY OWN THOUGHTS!
A major crime to your God!
MrGoodNKinky 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky I love you and may God bless you beyond measure.. Jesus loves you Seek Him and find true life.. God bless!
inhalejesus 1 year ago
@MrGoodNKinky
"That takes a special kind of asshole". Pot....meet kettle.
loseuwill 8 months ago
@MrGoodNKinky Good question. Where is the LOVE? It does appear that the God of Moses only loves those who believe believe in Him.Which is why those faiths that are based on this God are so religeously intolerent of those of other faiths and those of no faith.The Law of Moses was the 1st ever religeously intolerent law,demanding Death for nonbelief,as still practiced by Mad Islamists today,as was practiced by Mad Christians in the past.These faiths can safely be described as !DangerousDelusions!
GARYWERSLEY 1 month ago
@bquimba The important question, I think, is 'What IS God'? Until we can get that far, it doesn't make much sense to ask whether it exists, or even bother with a precise definition of existence. "Christians would believe in metaphysical truth" is a curious statement. Christians believe that certain metaphysical claims are true, but that doesn't make them so. "God as the beginning of all things created" presupposes that things really were created, and that a God is necessary to explain them.
eulercircles 1 year ago
@eulercircles
Hi thanks for your response. I'm sure you're familiar with the ontological argument that includes philosphers like Descartes and refuted by philosophers like Kant. What do you think of Plantigna take?
wiki ontological argument
bquimba 1 year ago
@bquimba I haven't read Plantinga's take... I am skeptical that the ontological argument can be rescued from its circularity, but I will take a look at it. At any rate, I am not sure how this is relevant to what we were discussing? As far as I am aware, the argument doesn't address what God *is*, aside from it being 'a supremely perfect being' which doesn't really answer the question. It also doesn't define existence for us...
eulercircles 1 year ago
@bquimba P.S. There is also a version of Plantinga's O.A. at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in which one of the premises are: "3. A being having all of God's properties plus existence in reality can be conceived." I don't agree with this, and my question about what God is was meant to show this... Perhaps you could clarify for me... It would also be worth noting that nothing can be defined into existence, provided we know what we mean by 'existence' ;-)
eulercircles 1 year ago
'There's plenty of believing scientists who see a lot of compatibility between science and faith.'
But not a 'whole lot'. Quantification, a horrible scientific practise says there are few.
No qualified biologist denies the factuality of evolution, or believes in the Creation myth of Biblical Genesis. ' All Gods were immortal.'
bencubed 1 year ago
Its wrong to say that our meanings and morals come from God. When it comes to morals, one thing we do is select the ones that fit our natural morality and reject the ones that do not. This is and obvious problem. This thread however is about how god can only reside in the "gaps" or the things we do not understand. If this is so, God can only become smaller and less majestic as we grow our understanding. I know from experience just how hard it is to let go of belief. I doesn't happen overnight.
hinterstella 1 year ago
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@hinterstella
"When it comes to morals, one thing we do is select the ones that fit our natural morality and reject the ones that do not. "
How do you explain a human's need to have morals?
bquimba 1 year ago
the only problem i have with science is that if it can't be proven through science then its either not possible or not even relevant. science can be used for great things but when its used to disprove or prove something like God its impossible.
reetreetbarkbark 1 year ago
@reetreetbarkbark Why should science have to be proven through science in order for it to be possible? Usually proof by reference to the very thing to be proved is called a circular reasoning fallacy. It makes no sense to expect science to commit a fallacy in order to validate itself. And then, how do you come to the idea that it would not be relevant if it cannot do this?
eulercircles 1 year ago
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reetreetbarkbark 1 year ago
Made God completely unnecessary -- I hear that a lot. And almost as often I hear "atheists" making deals with God in times of need... "Dear God, if you just get me out of this horrible situation, please, please... I swear I'll believe in you..." Then, fast forward. Crisis averted, and Mr. Atheist is back to hating and fighting the God upon whose name he called a while before, who so graciously kept him from crashing. It's a story so many share in common, with a select few who actually repent.
Virikel 1 year ago
Burried God? Oh not at all. Science has merely made God completely unnecessary.
hinterstella 1 year ago
@hinterstella How has science made God unnecessary? Science deals with the way the world is wired, that is all. If you don't care for meaning, life, morality, ideals, justice, pleasure, etc etc, then God is not necessary. The problem is that we are more than matter. Ideas have consequences and the idea that we are a cosmic math problem and nothing more is to strip this world of any meaning, which will not hold up under any kind of real scrutiny. Love exists, life has meaning, God is not dead.
1234989ful 1 year ago
@hinterstella Go to the channel wordonfirevideo and watch his video on Christopher Hitchens' book, part 2.
Jugglable 1 year ago
This guy is an idiot & there are 2% @ best of the science population that believe in god but they also say that there is no place for god in science.
sofiadragon1979 1 year ago
@sofiadragon1979 That is interesting. My sister has done several years of biomedical research in Boston. She and many of her PhD co-workers are strong believers. 2% at best? Where does that statistic come from?
There is no place for God in science because the scientific method cannot prove miraculous works. However, it cannot repeat single celled evolution either so I'm quite confused on how this "science has dropped the bomb on Christianity" deal.
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 It was on a science bit on CNN
sofiadragon1979 1 year ago
@sofiadragon1979
and the statistics says only 5% of americans are atheists
eddiedko 1 year ago
@eddiedko Where did I say America? Not @ all, so don't jump to comclusions, but yes your statment is true but if you pay attention that # is growing.
sofiadragon1979 1 year ago
@Deej1188 Science dropped the bomb on Christianity when it discovered that humans are a product of evolution, not adam and eve. And if there was no adam and eve, there was no sin, and so no reason for Jesus to die.
Also, modern neuroscience shows quite clearly that a mind cannot exist without a brain.
zakiechan 1 year ago
@zakiechan Science has proved that evolution exists. It hasn't proved that WE are a product of sheer evolution. According to the rules of science, it can't prove the big bang theory or that humans evolved from primates. It's more logical to say that religion is stupid because people choose to believe in supernatural stuff rather than trying to say that science has dropped the bomb on Christianity.
What scientific study was that? What was the control on that experiment?
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 LOL wtf? What have you been reading? Or maybe that is the problem... you haven't been reading anything?
Seriously, I don't want to sound mean, but no one that has even a basic high school understanding of evolution would say something like that. Heck, even Michael Behe accepts common decent.
As for neuro, look up the work on slip brain patients by michael gazzaniga.
zakiechan 1 year ago
@zakiechan Well, I recently finished my BA in International Relations so maybe I'm a tard when it comes to bio. Are you saying that the theories of Common Descent have been scientifically proven? If so, how have they been proven? My sister has a B.S. in Neuroscience from Wellesley and a PhD from Tufts..hardly a basic high school education.
I don't see how the Split Brain Study proves that this is the only realm...care to enlighten us?
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 Well one thing is for sure... you will make a HECK of a lot more money with that degree than one in bio LOL!
Anyway, CD has been proven via nested hierarchies, morphological similarities, endogenous retroviruses, fossils, and genetics (youtube "Kenneth Miller on Common Ancestry with Apes").
Like I said, the evidence is so overwhelming and persuasive, that even Behe accepts it.
zakiechan 1 year ago
@zakiechan One can only hope. If you sell out and do research for gov contractors, bio can make you some bank.
I'm not sure if all of these things PROVE that CD is a law. Studying natural selection in fish proves that evolution exists but can't prove that we evolved from a common primate. I'm not one of those people who believes that everything in our DNA must be useful since "God made it". I'm not even sure what the Christian Endogenous Retrovirus argument is...
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 CD is not a law... that only happens in physics. Though, it is a fact. As for the ERV's, there isn't really a "Christian argument", since tons of Christians accept it (Ken Miller, for example). Though, the creationists will usually just obscure the facts.
Google "endogenous retrovirus christian forums" and you can read all about it.
zakiechan 1 year ago
@zakiechan ah. I didn't know what things were called when they were generally accepted as true in the scientific community. I think it's still logical to believe in a creation that isn't as stringent as some Christians want to believe (the Bible never laid out the details some like to push) and still incorporate natural selection and evolution. But in the end, Christianity has elements that supersede common science so I guess there is no way to use science to prove it correct?
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 Split brains show that the mind is completely dependent on the brain (this is not controversial at all, ask your sister). By splitting a brain, you get two independent minds with different thoughts, ideas, goals, desires, etc.
So if a mind is dependent on a physical brain, there is no way it could exist once your brain has died. And unless God has a brain... he couldn't exist either.
Youtube "VS Ramachandran split brains"
zakiechan 1 year ago
@zakiechan I'm not doubting for one second the legitimacy of the study. I am absolutely fascinated by things like that. I guess this intends to disprove any chance of there being a realm other than our consciousness here on earth. Unfortunately, we're crazy enough to believe that there are almost no ties between our earthly bodies and our spiritual ones after death. We also believe that God is beyond the limitations of existence through the firing of neurons. I must sound like a douche...
Deej1188 1 year ago
@Deej1188 I would have to agree that that is nothing that ties us to the spiritual realm... but that is just because I don't see any evidence for the spiritual.
Anyway, you seem like a cool person. If you wanna chat more about it all, send me a PM. Otherwise, the comment stuff gets sort of difficult.
Either way, take care. Oh, and I don't have a bio degree, I have a psych degree (which is probably even worse haha). It's ok though, cause I work in video production.
zakiechan