Officially in Romania between 1958 and 2008 (the period for which we have data) over 21 million children (21,330,519, says statistics) have died, victims of the curettage, vacuum cleaner, the abortion pill or other methods of the more sophisticated the suppression of life.
@transsexualgirlro "over 21 million children (21,330,519, says statistics)" tell me how you going to look after all these unwanted babies when they are born if abortion is made illegal?
cont. Psychiatric consequences, grouped under the title "post-abortion syndrome" is related to feelings of guilt and loss irrecoverable, frustration, depression, pessimism, unjustified fear, sleep disturbances, emotional lability, loss of self respect, leading even to anxiety neurosis or depression, partner relationship and family breakdown, sexual disorders. These symptoms occur because women realize the nature of loss. Unfortunately, many women realize this loss only after the procedure.
@transsexualgirlro yeah this is major risk and i'm sure the women doesn't take abortion lightly, but given proper treatment you can mitigate these risks. abortion should be last option sure but it shouldn't be banned. if a women really doesn't want the baby she will get rid of it one way or the other, i would rather she have one in a safe clean environment like in a hospital or clinic than in a dark dirty alleyway. if abortion is made illegal you will do more harm than good.
@schapman235 Most people do not know what happens during an abortion. No women who have abortions do not know that actually killed a child. They "heard" that in fact until the third month is just a ball of cells and not a true man. Not true! Life begins at conception. If abortion were illegal fewer women would choose an abortion extremely risky. So that would cut the number of victims.
@transsexualgirlro what is life? are you talking about conscious life or life at cellar level? the definition of what or where life begins, there is no definite answer to this. people may say "life" starts at conception and other people may say life started millions of years ago. (con)
@schapman235 Sperm and ova do not have a right to life because they are not individual genetic human beings, but are merely parts of individual genetic human beings. They are only genetically human insofar as they share the genetic codes of their owners, but this is also true of their owners' other parts (e.g., hands, feet, kidneys, etc.). Sperm and ova cease to exist at conception when the zygote, an individual genetic human being, comes into existence.
@transsexualgirlro and that's what we call a developing fetus not a conscious person. i would rather get terminated then than dumped in the bin when it's born. it seems pro life people are obsessed when it's in the womb but when it's born you they don't give a fuck when after it's born just, and when question you ether ignore it like your case or just say oh just give it up to adoption i'm no longer concerned for it now
@transsexualgirlro "If abortion were illegal fewer women would choose an abortion extremely risky. So that would cut the number of victims." so what would you do with all the unwanted babies? we know adoption can only go so far? can you adopt 6 children? just making abortion illegal is not good enough
@schapman235 Well I love children and I want to adopt as many I can. I do not want to seem rude, but it seems hypocritical to care about how your child lives after childbirth, though, until that moment and you want death.
@transsexualgirlro i never said i wanted death? when have i said that? i love children to and wish people have many children as they want? but i'm not going force people who can't support them to have them, that would be irresponsible not only that would be cruel and wrong to the women but cruel to the child itself. (con)
@transsexualgirlro no it's not more cruel because the fetus isn't self aware. i will say this again adoption is not viable long term solution. find out how much abortion happens each in your country or any country and then you will have to calculate how many families will have to adopt if abortion is made illegal....yeah you are going find problems in the first year i would think. it would be lovely to have every single child to have a loving family adopted or not (cont)
@schapman235 Solution is adoption, not killing the unborn child. The state should simplify the procedure for adoption, because there are many families who would like to raise children, there is not such a thing as so-called "unwanted children".
@transsexualgirlro example: abortions In the USA; 1,3 million a year - if abortion is made illegal you will probably give or take find families to adopt these potential babies. and poverty on the increase i doubt you will find few people will adopt more than 1 or 2. if you can find parents for of them then i'm willing to consider it. (con)
cont. As a surgical procedure, the immediate physical consequences include: reproductive inflammatory lesions, heavy bleeding, uterine perforation, infection of the uterus, fallopian tubes or ovaries. The consequences of late term are: prolonged bleeding, pelvic inflammatory disease, menstrual disorders, uterine synechiae, problems in subsequent pregnancies, and infertility, ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, premature births, increased predisposition to cervical cancer or breast cancer.
well that was a little extreme yeah scare and shock people that is the best convince people. hardly surprising since it's the only tactics these people can do.
It pays the bills, once the youth was sexualized (sexually liberated) it was easy money from there. The fat cats thrive on your lack of self control. You support the greed youre so much against, all of you double standard idiots. If you support abortion you still support greed.
Whther you believe that a fetus is a person or not...that doesnt even matter, the fact that you had the "maturity" to create what is now growing in a girl/womans stomach and are willing to eliminate it for your own selfish reasons....Heartless
@toicas19 "selfish reasons....Heartless" and what about you? and you would deny women right's just to satisfy your own personal belief if this guy is selfish then so are you.
@schapman235 ummm not sure what you meant by that but if keeping a life and taking responsibility for somthing i helpd create makes me selfish...then ok, i am selfish...i dnt deny their rights....but ever thot if woman have those rights? if so who has that right to give it to them? no one has the right to deny life ..if you do have that right, then you are God, bcuz God is the only one who has the right to give and take away life...
@toicas19 "i dnt deny their rights" by forcing women who can't support it or is a victim of rape,incest etc to have a child is denying their rights cause that's what you are doing when you are campaigning to make abortion illegal. especially victims of rape it could be considered torture, it's cruel cause pro life people don't even consider what happens when the kid grows up (con)
@toicas19 and consider the emotional and social impact it would have on the kid finding out it was conceived in hate not love. but you guys don't care about as long it get born right? after that it's own
@schapman235 i was raped i have a child.and i can tell you right now, the he is the most wonderful thing to have ever happen to me.yes i woulda wished he was born in love, with a father who loved me and to be born in a family,but whose to say he cannot have all this? its all up to me now, and to be honest, his birth was what helped me thru the torture of the memories of the rape, i love my baby more than anything, just becuase i had a bad ordeal thru the rape, shuldnt mean i give death in return
@toicas19 well for what it counts i'm sorry to hear that you must be a strong person and that was your choice and don't get me wrong i'm all for that. But not every victim is going to react the same way and every circumstances are going to be different to yours. case Ireland we abortion is illegal under 18 year old was raped and fell pregnant it was only when she threaten to commit suicide then the court allowed her have an abortion.
i just wanna know what happens to the victims of incest or rape. by rape meaning not date rape but the one when someone breaks into your house and stuff....babies can be made again. moms can not.
Why the hell does that pistol have a huge-ass laser? You can buy a laser that attaches to a Picatinny rail on the bottom of a pistol if it does have the railings.
And I don't understand this commercial at all. Why are they using a child that looks like he or she is 2-3 years old? Is showing a group of cells no bigger than a dot not as dramatic?
@DeadFishFactory It kind of does once the infant is several months old and has an idea of what's going, that's not a lot different than what's happening here, beside once you find out how the baby is killed being shot is no big deal compared to being mutilated like your in dead space. (they tear off all the limbs, then the body, then crush the head and take that out too, or suck them into some hybrid of a vacuum and a shredder... and no I'm not talking about the videogame)
@Sueezee1 No, that is a method of abortion, maybe not the most used but frequent, besides other form consist of impaling the infant. Besides, if you're such an expert than why don't you tell me how it's preformed?
@Sueezee1 The dilation and extraction procedure is used after 21 weeks gestation. The procedure is also known as Partial Birth Abortion. The fetus is rotated and forceps are used to grasp and pull the legs, shoulders and arms through the birth canal. A small incision is made at the base of the skull to allow a suction catheter inside. The catheter removes the cerebral material until the skull collapses. Then the fetus is removed.
@transsexualgirlro says: The catheter removes the cerebral material until the skull collapses.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Right...the skull is NOT "crushed" as was stated. AND, I know EVERY thing about this subject. Stop insulting my intelligence by giving me abortion procedure instructions!!
~~~~~~~~~ Which women have YOU decided to speak FOR?? (LOL). By the way, abortion is legal...no excuses, reason or justification necessary. ( you bore me when posting under ANY of your user names)
@packofwolves93 There is a difference between potential and actual occurrence (hindsight vs. foresight). An embryo is human life that is actually occurring. The said life would develop into a fully functioning human being (excluding death via disease and murder). The life could potentially have not existed at all, so it is not wrong to end it if we use our imagination.
@transsexualgirlro Using the imagination to create scenarios of what potentially could have happened in the past can be used to justify anything. Obviously we should be looking at what is actually occurring, and leave fantasy out of the debate. As far as consciousness is concerned, it is impossible (at the moment) to know of consciousness outside of the self. We see life that is similar to us and assume it must have it, but we cannot know for sure.
@transsexualgirlro The consciousness argument (i.e. lack of consciousness in an embryo) doesn't hold water for the simple fact that we do not know what consciousness is. It is impossible for us to determine scientifically what does and what doesn't have consciousness. But, let's say that consciousness exists subjectively only if we are able to remember it (for the sake of argument, obviously memory of consciousness does not equate to consciousness itself).
@transsexualgirlro The point here is that many pro-choicers use their imaginations to distract them from what is actually occurring (making murder an easier pill to swallow). They create fantasies in order to distract and justify their wicked beliefs (to themselves and others). When human-life exists and a person acts in order to put an end to that life, that is murder by definition (if the life agrees to be killed then that is euthanasia, which is a separate issue).
@transsexualgirlro The reality is that an embryo is a human life in and of itself (a very dependent one, like most humans are in one way or another), and will grow into a fully functioning human-being if it is not murdered beforehand. Pro-choicers create fictitious scenarios and use word-play as a means of dodging the actual issue. Anyone that actually thinks about what is occurring here should easily see how immoral abortion is.
@transsexualgirlro Sociopathic individuals will warp reality and logic to suit their own ends, regardless if human life gets in their way. Of course for the practice of abortion to be morally acceptable (as well as not a crime) pro-choicers must do everything they can to convince others that they are not actually destroying human-life.
@transsexualgirlro Pro-choicers use their imaginations as a means of diversion as well as a means of dehumanizing human-life (which can't be done with any intellectual honesty). Abortion is morally wrong, and can be easily argued against using secular-reasoning. While moral-relativists will attempt to twist logic to justify its practice, they are unable to do so without completely devaluing human-life.
@packofwolves93 If you have not blue eyes and blond hair, you don't deserve to live, because Nazi think that you are subhuman. That means they have the right to kill you?
@transsexualgirlro no they dont have the right to but they did it any way..and also they were killing people not parasites....what they were doing was basicly hate crimes of people differnt from them
@BlackIceDPS look up the definition of a parasite...they fit it perfectly...they grow inside a host, take what they need from their host, and the body tries to get them out of there..the reason you dont except the fact that they are parasites it that the word brings an unspoken definition of something bad and ugly...sorry brah
@packofwolves93 The relationship between a mother and a child is not parasitic, parasitic would imply that the mother does not benefit from the childs presence in the body, which is known to be false. While a mother is pregnant she has a higher red blood cell, white blood cell and platelet count meaning she has a greater immune system, a better ability to clot when injured and a better ability to carry oxygen throughout her body. Sorry brah.
@BlackIceDPS the mothers body does those things because it feels like it is being threatened....there is an unknown thing growing inside of it and tries to fight it off..thats what morning sickness is..you can look it up if you want
@packofwolves93 You obviously didn't read much into it... It never says that it is caused by a mothers body attempting to defend itself nor does it include the benefits I listed below therefore the two are unrelated... However the belief is that Morning Sickness is an evolved trait which protects the fetus from toxins... Sorry bruh.
@BlackIceDPS what never says...im not looking at the same article as you...and what i said is exactly whats going on..but anyway this is how the conversation will end..you can do what you want..have as many kids you want, but i will still believe abortion is a realistic option and as long as you dont regulate my option to have one, for my partner to have one, or anyone else to have one then we are cool...see ya brah
@packofwolves93 When you realize you've lost you turn tail and run, hopefully this conversation made some neurons shoot off in your brain so you are actually capable of thinking logically. See ya brah.
@packofwolves93 Parasites are viruses and bacteria not babies from womens womb. Parasitoids are organisms whose larval development occurs inside or on the surface of another organism, resulting in the death of the host.
Abortion is hate crime of people smaller than you.
@packofwolves93 "thats where your wrong again..noone and nothing has the right to live...." That sounds like a true pyscopath. You showed your true colors right there. Thankfully you're wrong on that subject otherwise what stops someone from killing you. Nothing according to your logic. Rules are meant to be broken, We're just nothing but animals why should we have value? However since Mankind was created in God's image we do have worth and value.The latin word fetus means small child...
@packofwolves93 conti: little one, and since latin is where we get our medical terms from you're killing a small child, little one. So how do you justify murder?
@FamousDave2186 life is sacred?..who said so?..god?..if you look back in history "god" is one of the leading causes of death..its one of these things to make us feel nobile..but let me ask you this if everything that ever lived is dead and everything alive is going to die..where does the sacred part come in..even though we talk so much about the sanctity of life we dont practice it at all..go watch George Carlin pro-life is anti-woman w/ an open mind to see where im comming from
@packofwolves93 Oh? how so? Last I checked that was Man's freewill to disobey God's commandments. That's what causes death in this world. The fall of man results in us dying physically but we can live spiritually in heaven with Him. If you don't want to accpet Jesus into your life as your personal Savior that's your choice.
Let me ask you this: are morals objective or subjective? If they're objective how can you say they are according to your viewpoints if they're subjective what makes...
@packofwolves93 conti: you right to state what you just stated about God? You have none and you know it. Look up the moral argument on Reasonable faith .o.r.g (take out the periods) and you'll see that morals are objective. This proves God exist and since God created us in his own image life is sacred. Even if you don't think so.
@FamousDave2186 "This proves God exist and since God created us in his own image life is sacred. Even if you don't think so." watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE&list=FLZmtjmSRbfewx4ClOM53kFA&index=13&feature=plpp_video pretty much sums up religion for me
@schapman235 love how you only take part of what I said and not the whole context. Prove that morals are subjective and maybe you'd have a valid point otherwise you know this to be true. Human beings can only procreate human beings. They don't start out as something else then all of a sudden become human that's just dishonest. The baby has different DNA then both parents, so how if its just part of her body wouldn't the baby have the same DNA as the mother? Well News flash he or she doesn't.
@FamousDave2186 so are you trying to prove the baby is not part of the mother right? correct if i'm wrong that's the conclusion i got from this. even if you say is right, who cares about DNA when the Baby can't even survive without the mother, it's called the umbilical cord where it get's it's oxygen and nutrients etc. ultimately the buck stops with her whether you like it or not. (con)
@schapman235 A baby can't survive on his or her own after they leave the birth canal too so by your logic then I guess he or she isn't human until they can take of themselves so what would that put the age at? Do you read what you type or are you just too emtional on subject that you can't even think? "who cares about DNA" Yeah forget about my point that doesn't mean anything even though you didn't debunk it and I showed since he or she does have different DNA that's not her body to do whatever
@FamousDave2186 "A baby can't survive on his or her own after they leave the birth canal too so by your logic then I guess he or she isn't human until they can take of themselves so what would that put the age at" i'm not talking about birth i'm talking about the developmental stage, you just splitting hairs.
@schapman235 It doesn't matter at what stage you're talking about. That doesn't prove that the unborn baby isn't human. 46 chromosomes come from both parents, 23 from the father 23 from the mother, therefore with these chromosomes creates different DNA from the parents. It doesn't matter at what stage in life, you said if it can't take care of itself its not human, you can't have it both ways.
@FamousDave2186 "you said if it can't take care of itself its not human, you can't have it both ways." just another one of those lovely double standards that schapman235 has. "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
@FamousDave2186 "you said if it can't take care of itself its not human" i never said it's not human all i said was the unborn baby can't survive without the mother during the development stage. if you misconstrued as saying it's not Human then that's not my problem, cause i can't define what is human in a 400 word reply.
@schapman235 she wants. In fact you just prove our point with your comment. I'm bigger than you therefore you have no rights. Sums up the message of pro-choice right there.
@schapman235 And what if the law is wrong? Remember the time of slavery. The South said the exact same thing you said: (maybe not word for word but the meaning was still there) ." it (slaves) has no rights, to have rights it has to be recognized by the law to be a person which is not. so your statement is invalid" Wow, how history repeats itself.
@schapman235 Science shows it is a part of the human race "life begins at conception." Also famous dave is right. So are newborns not human now? It takes a while after the child is born to support him or herself. So By your standard they arent human even after theyre born. You have just made it apparent as of to why dead baby jokes are even around. As a complete stranger I tell you that submission to your depravity will eat away at any reasoning you have left.
@truth2350 "life begins at conception" well that's what you believe i think life began millions of years ago when we where nothing but single celled organism's and evolved from there, we will always be debating that issue cause there is no definite answer. "So are newborns not human now?" i didn't say that. if you read what i have said i was referring to the developmental stage not birth. but you guys always seem to get that confused. (con)
@schapman235 Your standard states that and please dont get off topic by talking about evolution when we are talking about abortion. LoL when I talk about when life begins I'm clearly not reffering to abiogenisis. Am I really the one trying to split hairs?
@schapman235 When I said life begins at conception I'm clearly reffering to how humans give birth to other humans. Are you just trolling me or do you really think talking about abiogenesis is on topic?
@truth2350 "Are you just trolling me or do you really think talking about abiogenesis is on topic?" no, not trolling you, sorry if i gave that impression. well i think everything is interconnected so yeah when abortion is concerned yes it on topic. just like social factors play's a role. maybe it is a bit to general but it doesn't mean it's not apart of the issue
@truth2350 "You have just made it apparent as of to why dead baby jokes are even around. As a complete stranger I tell you that submission to your depravity will eat away at any reasoning you have left." no i haven't made it apparent because i never said it wasn't human, all your doing is making accusations against me with no proof i said such a thing. "As a complete stranger " yeah and i'm sure your taking what i'm saying to heart as well.
@FamousDave2186 "The baby has different DNA then both parents, so how if its just part of her body wouldn't the baby have the same DNA as the mother? Well News flash he or she doesn't." i didn't mean it gets all the DNA mother it also gets DNA from the father as well.
@transsexualgirlro sorry i'm not sure what you getting at here? first i'm not a women so it's not denying any of my rights. secondly by making abortion illegal you are interfering with the women's reproductive rights? look up George Carlin on abortion that sums up pretty my opinion on the matter
@transsexualgirlro well if it's unspeakable evil then when a women has a period that flushes out potential human life is evil or when a guy masturbate's then his evil as well. cause that's what a fetus is potential life.
@schapman235 When we masturbate does not kill a child but a simple cell, which can not become a human being than when it will encounter an egg. Sperm is the same as any other cell, he himself can not become a human being. A zygote will become a mature person, if someone does not obstruct its development.
@transsexualgirlro no but it kills potential life just like a women have it's period it gets rid of the egg. that's what a fetus in the womb is potential life. so to say it's unspeakable evil then you will have to consider women who have periods or men who masturbate's is evil to. but if your saying they nothing but cells then you have to say that the fetus is nothing but cells multiplying and growing. (con)
@transsexualgirlro and to be murder is the fetus has to be recognize as a person which is not until it's moment after it's umbilical cord is cut. so to me your just telling what you believe which is fine but it doesn't constitute as fact
@schapman235 Abortions go against my belief in liberty and justice. Liberty to choose for one's self requires that, as free individuals, we are responsible for our actions and the consequences thereof. Justice is when you get what you deserve. What has the unborn done to deserve death? NOTHING! It is not at fault for anything including its own existence, and yet it is expected to pay with its life with no trial, no jury, and no say in what happens to it.
@transsexualgirlro i think your problem is your acting like it's a person, which is not. it's not self aware or have any concept of life. you know what would stop abortions condoms and contraception, sex education and of course improve living conditions and social services. this would help promote and convince people to have the baby. this is far better than going "abortion lets ban it" show that this works? (con)
@transsexualgirlro any where in world? banning it would just force people to go to the "backyard abortion" solution which put the women at risk of possible of death. but backyard abortions happen when abortion is legal so that's no guarantee ether. typical pro life people say give it up for adoption? well this may work for a while but soon you will run into problems where there's not enough families (con)
@transsexualgirlro to adopt. do the maths it means every family wanting to adopt will have to adopt 6 or more children pretty unrealistic to me. Belief is fine, but meaningless if you can't find solutions. i don't know what your solutions are but it's simply not enough to say "abortion is evil" and have lack of viable solutions
@schapman235 As you can see this type of thinking is anarchy, at it's worst. Basically it says: "Shut up and let me do what I want; I don't care how it affects anyone else; I just want to do what I want to do." It is very self-centered and childish.
@transsexualgirlro what? coming up with positive and best solutions to stop abortions? yeah how self centered and childish, how dare i think such things?
@schapman235 However, in the current context in which every woman has access to information and given the many side effects of voluntary interruption of pregnancy, abortion can not be a solution. He leaves a deep wound in the soul of women, affecting the very essence of her identity. Although very little is spoken on this issue, abortion has consequences both physical and psychiatric conditions of women.
@transsexualgirlro hmmm it seems you are willing to tell me how bad abortion is but when it comes to solutions to stop it you fall short if not ignore it completely. yeah there's risk in everything there's risk in child birth and after child as well post natal depression comes to mind. but far less if done in well funded clinic than in backyard or alleyway.
@mrdamon8r ok lets take that into account...1%...lets say there are 100,000 abortions this year(fictional number)..1% of that is 1,000...1,000 women and young girls that were raped and now have to bear a child because your ideals are imposed on someone elses life...shame on you for saying that 1,000 girls aren't relevant
@jocelynmmlkuntz A rape victim isn't the same as the Nazis, but even in rape, the baby isn't to blame. The poor girl who got raped isn't to blame. Neither one should be in danger of losing their life. Only the rapist needs to have his nuts crushed by a vice.
@fundieangel Even if the baby has only existed for a few days (as it would a few days after conception) the victim does not have a right to have an abortion. "From conception to last heartbeat a person is a person!"
@Lucky10279 of course is a person, and have the right to live, but the victim is also a person. I can't tell the victim that she must have the baby, rape its very traumatic. Victims are full of hate and pain. We must give our love n support to the victims
@stingingnettles well maybe there is risk for the mother, but that doesn't mean that the baby shouldn't even have a chance. And abortion doesn't help a women. I know some people here have been claiming it has, but it hasn't. Abortion hurts women. And abortion itself has a ton of risks.
@Lucky10279 I am astonished that you are so presumptuous as to speak for all women. Abortion helps many women. Forced birth hurts women more. If women were forced to have abortions against their will, I'm sure that would hurt them. But they're not. I don't see how having a choice hurts women. Of course, you want to take their choice away from them.
Women are very often forced into it. Women never had a right to take a child's life by abortion. They have the ability not the right. It hurts women because, abortion has a ton of side affects and most importantly because abortion is murder.
@Lucky10279 or they are happy that they are alive and they didn't need to sacrifice their life for a parasite. If you were raped and dying would you rather live or die and know that you are going into nothingness so your rape child would be thrown to the streets?
If you don't know what it feels to be in their skin do not try to take the choice away.
@mirta000 A baby is not a parasite. And you do not usually die from having the baby. If I was raped I would keep the baby. I might put him or her up for adoption, but I would NOT abort him or her.
@Lucky10279 you do have quite a huge risk of dying. The pregnancy might go wrong, your blood might not match, it might attach not where it's supposed to attach, you might not be able to stop vomiting, your body might not be big enough to sustain a baby. Any number of things can happen.
Also if you are ok with going trough mental and physical abuse that doesn't mean that everybody is. For instance I'm ok with waking up in pain every day. Wouldn't recommend it for others though.
@mirta000 Being pregnant is not abuse. If you are referring to rape i am not ok with rape, but rape doesn't make abortion ok. And how do you know that the mother would be at such a big risk? Even if she was that would not justify the killing of an innocent baby. It is not the baby's fault. Also abortion doesn't just put the baby at risk, it kills him or her. How is that fair to the baby?
@Lucky10279 being pregnant if you don't want to be pregnant is abuse.
How do you deem ok to kill thousands of innocent mothers just so some of their kids would survive and grow in the streets? How do you deem fair to spawn people that will have no place here and kill off the ones that do?
There's a reason why illegal abortions happen when they are made illegal. It's not fair to take away a choice of living a happy life or dying for a parasite.
@mirta000 being pregnant is never abuse. Being pregnant does kill them. Although there is some risk, pregnancy is not murder and you know it. Abortion kills women much often than they die from pregnancy. Stop calling a baby a parasite. It is rediculous to call a baby that. Women can be happy while they are pregnant and after.
@Lucky10279 if they are not happy, if their health is at risk forcing them to stay in that state is torture and abuse. It is murder if the woman dies even though she could be saved.
"Abortion kills women much often than they die from pregnancy" - that's a claim. Present evidence.
Already gave you the description of a parasite and it fits.
You can't judge all women by how you feel, if you will be happy during and after the pregnancy it doesn't mean that others can't feel suicidal because of it
@Lucky10279 Well, there are a lot of evil women out there, then. So you just wrap yourself up in a nice cozy blanket of self-righteousness and you can have a ton of babies if you please, but maybe you should just mind your own business and trying to control what other women do. MYOB!
@Lucky10279 Tell that to Jaycee Dugard, the poor girl who was kidnapped and raped for 18 years and had two babies she didn't want and wasn't ready for.
Besides, how much love could a woman give to a child who would only remind her of her rapist? How could the woman move on and heal from the attack if she's reminded of it every day when she looks at her child? That's not fair to the mother or the child.
@Dargonhuman the babies should have been put up for adoption if she couldnt take care of them. I saw a documentary on her. It is not fair to the child to kill him or her. Is it the babies falt she was raped? No, it is the rapists. "The baby does not deserve to die for a crime his or her father committed."
@Lucky10279 Ah, but it's not the victim's fault either and carrying a baby to term is a financial and physical burden, only to be compounded by the emotional strain of the attack. If the mother simply had unprotected sex and got pregnant by her own ignorance, she needs to face the consequences of that act and be shown what unprotected sex means.
A woman who was victimized without her consent or choice shouldn't be forced to go through that, though.
1982 eternal yes it is completely different, maybe they should have used a new born, then the difference would have been only a 6 month difference, would that amount of time matter to you?
Those who support abortion might hate me, but I say unto you that I do not hate you or want to harm you because that would make me just as bad as those who commit murders. In fact I don't hate you at all, what I feel towards you is pity towards you that you support murder of unborn children who is in fact the future generations of the human race.
@freedomfighterguy1 why does it seem like all pro-lifers have an incorrect definition of murder? Does that say anything about the pro-life supporters as a whole? A fetus cannot be regarded as a person because a person would imply that it is an individual, which is incorrect because the baby is part of it's mother for 9 months... Abortion isn't murder, but if you are going to label pro-choicers in this fashion is it appropriate to say all pro-lifers hate women's rights?
@BlackIceDPS Why is it all pro-choicers have an incorrect definition of life? A fetus is alive as soon as it's conceived and ending that life with a premeditated choice is murder.
Except under specific circumstances, a woman loses her right to kill as soon as the sperm reaches the egg. Abortion is not and should not be an "ethical" form of contraceptive; there are plenty of other ways to prevent pregnancy that are far more humane including abstinence.
@Dargonhuman I never said a fetus was not living... It is not murder because murder implies that the event was unlawful and premeditated killing of a human. With abortion being legal it is not murder... Actually a woman doesn't lose her right, that baby is a pest to her for 9 months and it lives off of her body. She should have all the right in the world to remove it if she desires, just the same as she would have the right to remove a tapeworm.
@Dargonhuman Typical pro-lifer reaction, you dismiss the other persons argument with "omg you are heartless". You obviously lack the brain power to have a constructive conversation.
And I actually did restrain myself in that reply; there was a lot more cursing and angry-ness that was deleted before being posted, but I realized that wouldn't accomplish anything and censored myself.
@Lucky10279 This is the Internet, rage-posts are all the... no, no, that's too obvious.
Let me try that again. I curse in real life and that's going to spill over into my comments, calm or angry. Sry if that offends you, but really, if you're that sensitive to cursing you really should not read YouTube comments. Ever. My one little scatological reference (that was completely deserved, btw) is extremely tame compared to some of the rage-fueled flamewars on here.
@Dargonhuman unborn babies are just like tapeworms...they take the most of thefood you ingest, sit inside you for a certain amount of time, come out of your body because they get too big, and some people dont want them
@packofwolves93 All humans are just a "mass of cells". Following this logic, is it alright for me to kill my whole family? After all they are just a "mass of cells" and aren't really living.
@BlackIceDPS to be concidered living you must be 1. undergo metabolism 2. maintain homeostasis 3. possess a capacity to grow 4. respond to stimuli 5. reproduce 6. and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations.....so no if your family can do these things then you would be taking a life
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schapman235 1 week ago
Officially in Romania between 1958 and 2008 (the period for which we have data) over 21 million children (21,330,519, says statistics) have died, victims of the curettage, vacuum cleaner, the abortion pill or other methods of the more sophisticated the suppression of life.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro "over 21 million children (21,330,519, says statistics)" tell me how you going to look after all these unwanted babies when they are born if abortion is made illegal?
schapman235 1 week ago
cont. Psychiatric consequences, grouped under the title "post-abortion syndrome" is related to feelings of guilt and loss irrecoverable, frustration, depression, pessimism, unjustified fear, sleep disturbances, emotional lability, loss of self respect, leading even to anxiety neurosis or depression, partner relationship and family breakdown, sexual disorders. These symptoms occur because women realize the nature of loss. Unfortunately, many women realize this loss only after the procedure.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro yeah this is major risk and i'm sure the women doesn't take abortion lightly, but given proper treatment you can mitigate these risks. abortion should be last option sure but it shouldn't be banned. if a women really doesn't want the baby she will get rid of it one way or the other, i would rather she have one in a safe clean environment like in a hospital or clinic than in a dark dirty alleyway. if abortion is made illegal you will do more harm than good.
schapman235 1 week ago
@schapman235 Most people do not know what happens during an abortion. No women who have abortions do not know that actually killed a child. They "heard" that in fact until the third month is just a ball of cells and not a true man. Not true! Life begins at conception. If abortion were illegal fewer women would choose an abortion extremely risky. So that would cut the number of victims.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro what is life? are you talking about conscious life or life at cellar level? the definition of what or where life begins, there is no definite answer to this. people may say "life" starts at conception and other people may say life started millions of years ago. (con)
schapman235 1 week ago
@schapman235 Sperm and ova do not have a right to life because they are not individual genetic human beings, but are merely parts of individual genetic human beings. They are only genetically human insofar as they share the genetic codes of their owners, but this is also true of their owners' other parts (e.g., hands, feet, kidneys, etc.). Sperm and ova cease to exist at conception when the zygote, an individual genetic human being, comes into existence.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro and that's what we call a developing fetus not a conscious person. i would rather get terminated then than dumped in the bin when it's born. it seems pro life people are obsessed when it's in the womb but when it's born you they don't give a fuck when after it's born just, and when question you ether ignore it like your case or just say oh just give it up to adoption i'm no longer concerned for it now
schapman235 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro "If abortion were illegal fewer women would choose an abortion extremely risky. So that would cut the number of victims." so what would you do with all the unwanted babies? we know adoption can only go so far? can you adopt 6 children? just making abortion illegal is not good enough
schapman235 1 week ago
@schapman235 Well I love children and I want to adopt as many I can. I do not want to seem rude, but it seems hypocritical to care about how your child lives after childbirth, though, until that moment and you want death.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro i never said i wanted death? when have i said that? i love children to and wish people have many children as they want? but i'm not going force people who can't support them to have them, that would be irresponsible not only that would be cruel and wrong to the women but cruel to the child itself. (con)
schapman235 1 week ago
@schapman235 And abotrion isn''t more cruel. If someone adopts a child who did not want his mother, the child will not feel lack of love.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro no it's not more cruel because the fetus isn't self aware. i will say this again adoption is not viable long term solution. find out how much abortion happens each in your country or any country and then you will have to calculate how many families will have to adopt if abortion is made illegal....yeah you are going find problems in the first year i would think. it would be lovely to have every single child to have a loving family adopted or not (cont)
schapman235 1 week ago
@transsexualgirlro but realistically that doesn't happen and won't happen.
schapman235 1 week ago
@schapman235 Solution is adoption, not killing the unborn child. The state should simplify the procedure for adoption, because there are many families who would like to raise children, there is not such a thing as so-called "unwanted children".
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
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schapman235 1 week ago
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@transsexualgirlro "The state should simplify the procedure for adoption" how should they simplify Adoption?
there is not such a thing as so-called "unwanted children" well if it doesn't exist then it will soon will exist if abortion is made illegal.
schapman235 1 week ago
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@transsexualgirlro example: abortions In the USA; 1,3 million a year - if abortion is made illegal you will probably give or take find families to adopt these potential babies. and poverty on the increase i doubt you will find few people will adopt more than 1 or 2. if you can find parents for of them then i'm willing to consider it. (con)
schapman235 1 week ago
cont. As a surgical procedure, the immediate physical consequences include: reproductive inflammatory lesions, heavy bleeding, uterine perforation, infection of the uterus, fallopian tubes or ovaries. The consequences of late term are: prolonged bleeding, pelvic inflammatory disease, menstrual disorders, uterine synechiae, problems in subsequent pregnancies, and infertility, ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, premature births, increased predisposition to cervical cancer or breast cancer.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
What a woman does with her own fucking body is nobody's business but hers.
ninjacouncilguild 3 weeks ago
well that was a little extreme yeah scare and shock people that is the best convince people. hardly surprising since it's the only tactics these people can do.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
It pays the bills, once the youth was sexualized (sexually liberated) it was easy money from there. The fat cats thrive on your lack of self control. You support the greed youre so much against, all of you double standard idiots. If you support abortion you still support greed.
truth2350 3 weeks ago
Whther you believe that a fetus is a person or not...that doesnt even matter, the fact that you had the "maturity" to create what is now growing in a girl/womans stomach and are willing to eliminate it for your own selfish reasons....Heartless
toicas19 3 weeks ago
@toicas19 "selfish reasons....Heartless" and what about you? and you would deny women right's just to satisfy your own personal belief if this guy is selfish then so are you.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 ummm not sure what you meant by that but if keeping a life and taking responsibility for somthing i helpd create makes me selfish...then ok, i am selfish...i dnt deny their rights....but ever thot if woman have those rights? if so who has that right to give it to them? no one has the right to deny life ..if you do have that right, then you are God, bcuz God is the only one who has the right to give and take away life...
toicas19 3 weeks ago
@toicas19 "i dnt deny their rights" by forcing women who can't support it or is a victim of rape,incest etc to have a child is denying their rights cause that's what you are doing when you are campaigning to make abortion illegal. especially victims of rape it could be considered torture, it's cruel cause pro life people don't even consider what happens when the kid grows up (con)
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@toicas19 and consider the emotional and social impact it would have on the kid finding out it was conceived in hate not love. but you guys don't care about as long it get born right? after that it's own
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 i was raped i have a child.and i can tell you right now, the he is the most wonderful thing to have ever happen to me.yes i woulda wished he was born in love, with a father who loved me and to be born in a family,but whose to say he cannot have all this? its all up to me now, and to be honest, his birth was what helped me thru the torture of the memories of the rape, i love my baby more than anything, just becuase i had a bad ordeal thru the rape, shuldnt mean i give death in return
toicas19 3 weeks ago
@toicas19 well for what it counts i'm sorry to hear that you must be a strong person and that was your choice and don't get me wrong i'm all for that. But not every victim is going to react the same way and every circumstances are going to be different to yours. case Ireland we abortion is illegal under 18 year old was raped and fell pregnant it was only when she threaten to commit suicide then the court allowed her have an abortion.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 especially to a child who had no part or fault for what happened to me....
toicas19 3 weeks ago
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or having the NATURE of people: human frailty.
2.
consisting of people: the human race.
3.
of or pertaining to the social aspect of people: human affairs.
The definition of a human being.
CookieCrumbs31 1 month ago
i just wanna know what happens to the victims of incest or rape. by rape meaning not date rape but the one when someone breaks into your house and stuff....babies can be made again. moms can not.
copnite12342 2 months ago
There are tobacco products and badass guns in this commercial. Those are the things that give Republicans a boner.
spinemelter2000 2 months ago
Why the hell does that pistol have a huge-ass laser? You can buy a laser that attaches to a Picatinny rail on the bottom of a pistol if it does have the railings.
And I don't understand this commercial at all. Why are they using a child that looks like he or she is 2-3 years old? Is showing a group of cells no bigger than a dot not as dramatic?
DeadFishFactory 2 months ago
@DeadFishFactory It kind of does once the infant is several months old and has an idea of what's going, that's not a lot different than what's happening here, beside once you find out how the baby is killed being shot is no big deal compared to being mutilated like your in dead space. (they tear off all the limbs, then the body, then crush the head and take that out too, or suck them into some hybrid of a vacuum and a shredder... and no I'm not talking about the videogame)
ikaninjau2 2 months ago
@ikaninjau2 says: crush the head and take that out too, or suck them into some hybrid of a vacuum and a shredder...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, they do not do one single one of those things. Are you like 7 yrs old??
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 No, that is a method of abortion, maybe not the most used but frequent, besides other form consist of impaling the infant. Besides, if you're such an expert than why don't you tell me how it's preformed?
ikaninjau2 2 months ago
@ikaninjau2 says: hat is a method of abortion,
~~~~~~ NO, it frickin is NOT...there is NOT abortion procedure that "crushes the head". Youre either a liar or uneducated.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 Then educate me.
ikaninjau2 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 The dilation and extraction procedure is used after 21 weeks gestation. The procedure is also known as Partial Birth Abortion. The fetus is rotated and forceps are used to grasp and pull the legs, shoulders and arms through the birth canal. A small incision is made at the base of the skull to allow a suction catheter inside. The catheter removes the cerebral material until the skull collapses. Then the fetus is removed.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro says: The catheter removes the cerebral material until the skull collapses.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Right...the skull is NOT "crushed" as was stated. AND, I know EVERY thing about this subject. Stop insulting my intelligence by giving me abortion procedure instructions!!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 There is no reasons to kill unborn babies! They are human beings!
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro says: There is no reasons to kill unborn babies!
~~~~~~~~~ Which women have YOU decided to speak FOR?? (LOL). By the way, abortion is legal...no excuses, reason or justification necessary. ( you bore me when posting under ANY of your user names)
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 I have only 1 YT user name. I speak for everyone ho want to adopt an child. If you don't want your baby, someone want them.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro they arent humans...they are parasites until they come out and take their own breath with their own lungs
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 There is a difference between potential and actual occurrence (hindsight vs. foresight). An embryo is human life that is actually occurring. The said life would develop into a fully functioning human being (excluding death via disease and murder). The life could potentially have not existed at all, so it is not wrong to end it if we use our imagination.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro Using the imagination to create scenarios of what potentially could have happened in the past can be used to justify anything. Obviously we should be looking at what is actually occurring, and leave fantasy out of the debate. As far as consciousness is concerned, it is impossible (at the moment) to know of consciousness outside of the self. We see life that is similar to us and assume it must have it, but we cannot know for sure.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro The consciousness argument (i.e. lack of consciousness in an embryo) doesn't hold water for the simple fact that we do not know what consciousness is. It is impossible for us to determine scientifically what does and what doesn't have consciousness. But, let's say that consciousness exists subjectively only if we are able to remember it (for the sake of argument, obviously memory of consciousness does not equate to consciousness itself).
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro The point here is that many pro-choicers use their imaginations to distract them from what is actually occurring (making murder an easier pill to swallow). They create fantasies in order to distract and justify their wicked beliefs (to themselves and others). When human-life exists and a person acts in order to put an end to that life, that is murder by definition (if the life agrees to be killed then that is euthanasia, which is a separate issue).
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro The reality is that an embryo is a human life in and of itself (a very dependent one, like most humans are in one way or another), and will grow into a fully functioning human-being if it is not murdered beforehand. Pro-choicers create fictitious scenarios and use word-play as a means of dodging the actual issue. Anyone that actually thinks about what is occurring here should easily see how immoral abortion is.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro Sociopathic individuals will warp reality and logic to suit their own ends, regardless if human life gets in their way. Of course for the practice of abortion to be morally acceptable (as well as not a crime) pro-choicers must do everything they can to convince others that they are not actually destroying human-life.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro Pro-choicers use their imaginations as a means of diversion as well as a means of dehumanizing human-life (which can't be done with any intellectual honesty). Abortion is morally wrong, and can be easily argued against using secular-reasoning. While moral-relativists will attempt to twist logic to justify its practice, they are unable to do so without completely devaluing human-life.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro still for abortion in every way.....your comment doesnt make any sense....reword it
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 If you have not blue eyes and blond hair, you don't deserve to live, because Nazi think that you are subhuman. That means they have the right to kill you?
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro no they dont have the right to but they did it any way..and also they were killing people not parasites....what they were doing was basicly hate crimes of people differnt from them
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 Fetuses aint parasites, sorry bruh.
BlackIceDPS 1 month ago
@BlackIceDPS look up the definition of a parasite...they fit it perfectly...they grow inside a host, take what they need from their host, and the body tries to get them out of there..the reason you dont except the fact that they are parasites it that the word brings an unspoken definition of something bad and ugly...sorry brah
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 The relationship between a mother and a child is not parasitic, parasitic would imply that the mother does not benefit from the childs presence in the body, which is known to be false. While a mother is pregnant she has a higher red blood cell, white blood cell and platelet count meaning she has a greater immune system, a better ability to clot when injured and a better ability to carry oxygen throughout her body. Sorry brah.
BlackIceDPS 1 month ago
@BlackIceDPS the mothers body does those things because it feels like it is being threatened....there is an unknown thing growing inside of it and tries to fight it off..thats what morning sickness is..you can look it up if you want
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 You obviously didn't read much into it... It never says that it is caused by a mothers body attempting to defend itself nor does it include the benefits I listed below therefore the two are unrelated... However the belief is that Morning Sickness is an evolved trait which protects the fetus from toxins... Sorry bruh.
BlackIceDPS 1 month ago
@BlackIceDPS what never says...im not looking at the same article as you...and what i said is exactly whats going on..but anyway this is how the conversation will end..you can do what you want..have as many kids you want, but i will still believe abortion is a realistic option and as long as you dont regulate my option to have one, for my partner to have one, or anyone else to have one then we are cool...see ya brah
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 When you realize you've lost you turn tail and run, hopefully this conversation made some neurons shoot off in your brain so you are actually capable of thinking logically. See ya brah.
BlackIceDPS 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 Parasites are viruses and bacteria not babies from womens womb. Parasitoids are organisms whose larval development occurs inside or on the surface of another organism, resulting in the death of the host.
Abortion is hate crime of people smaller than you.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro they arent people...
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 An unborn child has the same right to live as you.
transsexualgirlro 1 month ago
@transsexualgirlro thats where your wrong again..noone and nothing has the right to live....
packofwolves93 1 month ago
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@packofwolves93 "thats where your wrong again..noone and nothing has the right to live...." That sounds like a true pyscopath. You showed your true colors right there. Thankfully you're wrong on that subject otherwise what stops someone from killing you. Nothing according to your logic. Rules are meant to be broken, We're just nothing but animals why should we have value? However since Mankind was created in God's image we do have worth and value.The latin word fetus means small child...
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@packofwolves93 conti: little one, and since latin is where we get our medical terms from you're killing a small child, little one. So how do you justify murder?
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@FamousDave2186 life is sacred?..who said so?..god?..if you look back in history "god" is one of the leading causes of death..its one of these things to make us feel nobile..but let me ask you this if everything that ever lived is dead and everything alive is going to die..where does the sacred part come in..even though we talk so much about the sanctity of life we dont practice it at all..go watch George Carlin pro-life is anti-woman w/ an open mind to see where im comming from
packofwolves93 3 weeks ago
@packofwolves93 Oh? how so? Last I checked that was Man's freewill to disobey God's commandments. That's what causes death in this world. The fall of man results in us dying physically but we can live spiritually in heaven with Him. If you don't want to accpet Jesus into your life as your personal Savior that's your choice.
Let me ask you this: are morals objective or subjective? If they're objective how can you say they are according to your viewpoints if they're subjective what makes...
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@packofwolves93 conti: you right to state what you just stated about God? You have none and you know it. Look up the moral argument on Reasonable faith .o.r.g (take out the periods) and you'll see that morals are objective. This proves God exist and since God created us in his own image life is sacred. Even if you don't think so.
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@FamousDave2186 "This proves God exist and since God created us in his own image life is sacred. Even if you don't think so." watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE&list=FLZmtjmSRbfewx4ClOM53kFA&index=13&feature=plpp_video pretty much sums up religion for me
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 love how you only take part of what I said and not the whole context. Prove that morals are subjective and maybe you'd have a valid point otherwise you know this to be true. Human beings can only procreate human beings. They don't start out as something else then all of a sudden become human that's just dishonest. The baby has different DNA then both parents, so how if its just part of her body wouldn't the baby have the same DNA as the mother? Well News flash he or she doesn't.
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@FamousDave2186 so are you trying to prove the baby is not part of the mother right? correct if i'm wrong that's the conclusion i got from this. even if you say is right, who cares about DNA when the Baby can't even survive without the mother, it's called the umbilical cord where it get's it's oxygen and nutrients etc. ultimately the buck stops with her whether you like it or not. (con)
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 A baby can't survive on his or her own after they leave the birth canal too so by your logic then I guess he or she isn't human until they can take of themselves so what would that put the age at? Do you read what you type or are you just too emtional on subject that you can't even think? "who cares about DNA" Yeah forget about my point that doesn't mean anything even though you didn't debunk it and I showed since he or she does have different DNA that's not her body to do whatever
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@FamousDave2186 "A baby can't survive on his or her own after they leave the birth canal too so by your logic then I guess he or she isn't human until they can take of themselves so what would that put the age at" i'm not talking about birth i'm talking about the developmental stage, you just splitting hairs.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 It doesn't matter at what stage you're talking about. That doesn't prove that the unborn baby isn't human. 46 chromosomes come from both parents, 23 from the father 23 from the mother, therefore with these chromosomes creates different DNA from the parents. It doesn't matter at what stage in life, you said if it can't take care of itself its not human, you can't have it both ways.
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
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@FamousDave2186 "you said if it can't take care of itself its not human, you can't have it both ways." just another one of those lovely double standards that schapman235 has. "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
truth2350 3 weeks ago
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@FamousDave2186 "you said if it can't take care of itself its not human" i never said it's not human all i said was the unborn baby can't survive without the mother during the development stage. if you misconstrued as saying it's not Human then that's not my problem, cause i can't define what is human in a 400 word reply.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 she wants. In fact you just prove our point with your comment. I'm bigger than you therefore you have no rights. Sums up the message of pro-choice right there.
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@FamousDave2186 it has no rights, to have rights it has to be recognized by the law to be a person which is not. so your statement is invalid
schapman235 3 weeks ago
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@schapman235 And what if the law is wrong? Remember the time of slavery. The South said the exact same thing you said: (maybe not word for word but the meaning was still there) ." it (slaves) has no rights, to have rights it has to be recognized by the law to be a person which is not. so your statement is invalid" Wow, how history repeats itself.
FamousDave2186 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 Science shows it is a part of the human race "life begins at conception." Also famous dave is right. So are newborns not human now? It takes a while after the child is born to support him or herself. So By your standard they arent human even after theyre born. You have just made it apparent as of to why dead baby jokes are even around. As a complete stranger I tell you that submission to your depravity will eat away at any reasoning you have left.
truth2350 3 weeks ago
@truth2350 "life begins at conception" well that's what you believe i think life began millions of years ago when we where nothing but single celled organism's and evolved from there, we will always be debating that issue cause there is no definite answer. "So are newborns not human now?" i didn't say that. if you read what i have said i was referring to the developmental stage not birth. but you guys always seem to get that confused. (con)
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 Your standard states that and please dont get off topic by talking about evolution when we are talking about abortion. LoL when I talk about when life begins I'm clearly not reffering to abiogenisis. Am I really the one trying to split hairs?
truth2350 3 weeks ago
@truth2350 well you brought it up not me which i think is not off topic at all.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 When I said life begins at conception I'm clearly reffering to how humans give birth to other humans. Are you just trolling me or do you really think talking about abiogenesis is on topic?
truth2350 3 weeks ago
@truth2350 "Are you just trolling me or do you really think talking about abiogenesis is on topic?" no, not trolling you, sorry if i gave that impression. well i think everything is interconnected so yeah when abortion is concerned yes it on topic. just like social factors play's a role. maybe it is a bit to general but it doesn't mean it's not apart of the issue
schapman235 3 weeks ago
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@truth2350 "You have just made it apparent as of to why dead baby jokes are even around. As a complete stranger I tell you that submission to your depravity will eat away at any reasoning you have left." no i haven't made it apparent because i never said it wasn't human, all your doing is making accusations against me with no proof i said such a thing. "As a complete stranger " yeah and i'm sure your taking what i'm saying to heart as well.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
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@FamousDave2186 "The baby has different DNA then both parents, so how if its just part of her body wouldn't the baby have the same DNA as the mother? Well News flash he or she doesn't." i didn't mean it gets all the DNA mother it also gets DNA from the father as well.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@packofwolves93 i love George Carlin his a legend
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro not if it denies the rights of someone else, especially something that has no self awareness or a concept of life.
schapman235 3 weeks ago
@schapman235 How could a fetus to deny your rights, if he is not aware of himself, as you said yourself
transsexualgirlro 2 weeks ago
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schapman235 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro sorry i'm not sure what you getting at here? first i'm not a women so it's not denying any of my rights. secondly by making abortion illegal you are interfering with the women's reproductive rights? look up George Carlin on abortion that sums up pretty my opinion on the matter
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@schapman235 I believe that abortion is an unspeakable evil.
transsexualgirlro 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro well if it's unspeakable evil then when a women has a period that flushes out potential human life is evil or when a guy masturbate's then his evil as well. cause that's what a fetus is potential life.
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@schapman235 When we masturbate does not kill a child but a simple cell, which can not become a human being than when it will encounter an egg. Sperm is the same as any other cell, he himself can not become a human being. A zygote will become a mature person, if someone does not obstruct its development.
transsexualgirlro 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro no but it kills potential life just like a women have it's period it gets rid of the egg. that's what a fetus in the womb is potential life. so to say it's unspeakable evil then you will have to consider women who have periods or men who masturbate's is evil to. but if your saying they nothing but cells then you have to say that the fetus is nothing but cells multiplying and growing. (con)
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro and to be murder is the fetus has to be recognize as a person which is not until it's moment after it's umbilical cord is cut. so to me your just telling what you believe which is fine but it doesn't constitute as fact
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@schapman235 Abortions go against my belief in liberty and justice. Liberty to choose for one's self requires that, as free individuals, we are responsible for our actions and the consequences thereof. Justice is when you get what you deserve. What has the unborn done to deserve death? NOTHING! It is not at fault for anything including its own existence, and yet it is expected to pay with its life with no trial, no jury, and no say in what happens to it.
transsexualgirlro 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro i think your problem is your acting like it's a person, which is not. it's not self aware or have any concept of life. you know what would stop abortions condoms and contraception, sex education and of course improve living conditions and social services. this would help promote and convince people to have the baby. this is far better than going "abortion lets ban it" show that this works? (con)
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro any where in world? banning it would just force people to go to the "backyard abortion" solution which put the women at risk of possible of death. but backyard abortions happen when abortion is legal so that's no guarantee ether. typical pro life people say give it up for adoption? well this may work for a while but soon you will run into problems where there's not enough families (con)
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro to adopt. do the maths it means every family wanting to adopt will have to adopt 6 or more children pretty unrealistic to me. Belief is fine, but meaningless if you can't find solutions. i don't know what your solutions are but it's simply not enough to say "abortion is evil" and have lack of viable solutions
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@schapman235 As you can see this type of thinking is anarchy, at it's worst. Basically it says: "Shut up and let me do what I want; I don't care how it affects anyone else; I just want to do what I want to do." It is very self-centered and childish.
transsexualgirlro 2 weeks ago
@transsexualgirlro what? coming up with positive and best solutions to stop abortions? yeah how self centered and childish, how dare i think such things?
schapman235 2 weeks ago
@schapman235 However, in the current context in which every woman has access to information and given the many side effects of voluntary interruption of pregnancy, abortion can not be a solution. He leaves a deep wound in the soul of women, affecting the very essence of her identity. Although very little is spoken on this issue, abortion has consequences both physical and psychiatric conditions of women.
transsexualgirlro 1 week ago
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@transsexualgirlro hmmm it seems you are willing to tell me how bad abortion is but when it comes to solutions to stop it you fall short if not ignore it completely. yeah there's risk in everything there's risk in child birth and after child as well post natal depression comes to mind. but far less if done in well funded clinic than in backyard or alleyway.
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@ikaninjau2 says: hat is a method of abortion
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NO, it frickin is NOT...there is NO abortion procedure that "crushes the head". Youre either a liar or uneducated.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
Watched the whole video and all I can think is I WANT THAT GUN!
Bloodfirewolf21 3 months ago
Rape only accounts for less than 1% of abortions. Soooo... not really relevant.
mrdamon8r 3 months ago
@mrdamon8r ok lets take that into account...1%...lets say there are 100,000 abortions this year(fictional number)..1% of that is 1,000...1,000 women and young girls that were raped and now have to bear a child because your ideals are imposed on someone elses life...shame on you for saying that 1,000 girls aren't relevant
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@jocelynmmlkuntz A rape victim isn't the same as the Nazis, but even in rape, the baby isn't to blame. The poor girl who got raped isn't to blame. Neither one should be in danger of losing their life. Only the rapist needs to have his nuts crushed by a vice.
landcommander1981 3 months ago
@jocelynmmlkuntz rape and a mother in danger, are the exception. But pro-choice wants abortion for any reason
fundieangel 3 months ago
@fundieangel even in cases of rape abortion is still very bad and not ok.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 late term abortion is a murder, even in case of rape. But if the conception is only days, i think the victim should decide
fundieangel 3 months ago
@fundieangel Even if the baby has only existed for a few days (as it would a few days after conception) the victim does not have a right to have an abortion. "From conception to last heartbeat a person is a person!"
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 of course is a person, and have the right to live, but the victim is also a person. I can't tell the victim that she must have the baby, rape its very traumatic. Victims are full of hate and pain. We must give our love n support to the victims
fundieangel 3 months ago
@fundieangel I know, but it will not hurt or kill the mother to have the baby.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 How do you know? It can indeed hurt or kill women to continue with a pregnancy against her will.
stingingnettles 3 months ago
@stingingnettles well maybe there is risk for the mother, but that doesn't mean that the baby shouldn't even have a chance. And abortion doesn't help a women. I know some people here have been claiming it has, but it hasn't. Abortion hurts women. And abortion itself has a ton of risks.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 I am astonished that you are so presumptuous as to speak for all women. Abortion helps many women. Forced birth hurts women more. If women were forced to have abortions against their will, I'm sure that would hurt them. But they're not. I don't see how having a choice hurts women. Of course, you want to take their choice away from them.
stingingnettles 3 months ago
@stingingnettles I said MOST women. Abortion does help anyone though. women may think it helps them but it doesn't.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
Women are very often forced into it. Women never had a right to take a child's life by abortion. They have the ability not the right. It hurts women because, abortion has a ton of side affects and most importantly because abortion is murder.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 The vast majority of women choose abortion, and feel relief, not regret, after it's over.
stingingnettles 3 months ago
@stingingnettles that's not true. And the women who do choose it and feel releif are either ignorant, or evil.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 or they are happy that they are alive and they didn't need to sacrifice their life for a parasite. If you were raped and dying would you rather live or die and know that you are going into nothingness so your rape child would be thrown to the streets?
If you don't know what it feels to be in their skin do not try to take the choice away.
mirta000 2 months ago
@mirta000 A baby is not a parasite. And you do not usually die from having the baby. If I was raped I would keep the baby. I might put him or her up for adoption, but I would NOT abort him or her.
Lucky10279 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 you do have quite a huge risk of dying. The pregnancy might go wrong, your blood might not match, it might attach not where it's supposed to attach, you might not be able to stop vomiting, your body might not be big enough to sustain a baby. Any number of things can happen.
Also if you are ok with going trough mental and physical abuse that doesn't mean that everybody is. For instance I'm ok with waking up in pain every day. Wouldn't recommend it for others though.
mirta000 2 months ago
@mirta000 Being pregnant is not abuse. If you are referring to rape i am not ok with rape, but rape doesn't make abortion ok. And how do you know that the mother would be at such a big risk? Even if she was that would not justify the killing of an innocent baby. It is not the baby's fault. Also abortion doesn't just put the baby at risk, it kills him or her. How is that fair to the baby?
Lucky10279 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 being pregnant if you don't want to be pregnant is abuse.
How do you deem ok to kill thousands of innocent mothers just so some of their kids would survive and grow in the streets? How do you deem fair to spawn people that will have no place here and kill off the ones that do?
There's a reason why illegal abortions happen when they are made illegal. It's not fair to take away a choice of living a happy life or dying for a parasite.
mirta000 2 months ago
@mirta000 being pregnant is never abuse. Being pregnant does kill them. Although there is some risk, pregnancy is not murder and you know it. Abortion kills women much often than they die from pregnancy. Stop calling a baby a parasite. It is rediculous to call a baby that. Women can be happy while they are pregnant and after.
Lucky10279 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 if they are not happy, if their health is at risk forcing them to stay in that state is torture and abuse. It is murder if the woman dies even though she could be saved.
"Abortion kills women much often than they die from pregnancy" - that's a claim. Present evidence.
Already gave you the description of a parasite and it fits.
You can't judge all women by how you feel, if you will be happy during and after the pregnancy it doesn't mean that others can't feel suicidal because of it
mirta000 2 months ago
google "abortion kills women" and click on the 5th option for proof. I would link you but it won't let me.
Lucky10279 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 I searched. There's about 20 or so cases reported every year, however there's about 16.7 deaths in 100 000 live births in USA alone.
I found studies that tried to link deaths, but there's no real evidence that they give out.
Also love can be proved - when a person feels love a certain hormone is produced in their brain. That's how we know emotions. Learn chemistry.
mirta000 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 Clinical abortion is 12.5 times safer than childbirth.
BlackIceDPS 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 also the definition of a parasite:
an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
So yes it is.
mirta000 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 and thats your choice....which another woman might choose differently
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@Lucky10279 Well, there are a lot of evil women out there, then. So you just wrap yourself up in a nice cozy blanket of self-righteousness and you can have a ton of babies if you please, but maybe you should just mind your own business and trying to control what other women do. MYOB!
stingingnettles 2 months ago
@fundieangel rape is NOT the exception. Abortion is still wrong even then.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 Tell that to Jaycee Dugard, the poor girl who was kidnapped and raped for 18 years and had two babies she didn't want and wasn't ready for.
Besides, how much love could a woman give to a child who would only remind her of her rapist? How could the woman move on and heal from the attack if she's reminded of it every day when she looks at her child? That's not fair to the mother or the child.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman the babies should have been put up for adoption if she couldnt take care of them. I saw a documentary on her. It is not fair to the child to kill him or her. Is it the babies falt she was raped? No, it is the rapists. "The baby does not deserve to die for a crime his or her father committed."
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 Ah, but it's not the victim's fault either and carrying a baby to term is a financial and physical burden, only to be compounded by the emotional strain of the attack. If the mother simply had unprotected sex and got pregnant by her own ignorance, she needs to face the consequences of that act and be shown what unprotected sex means.
A woman who was victimized without her consent or choice shouldn't be forced to go through that, though.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman abortion very often hurts the women very much. And no, it is not her fault either, but that doesn't mean she can have her baby killed.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
1982 eternal yes it is completely different, maybe they should have used a new born, then the difference would have been only a 6 month difference, would that amount of time matter to you?
skroob12345 3 months ago
Jesus, that is so inaccurate. Killing a toddler and aborting a fetus are two completely different things.
1982eternal 3 months ago
@1982eternal
why ? an unborn baby has a heartbeat at 18 days and dna a mother and a father too
ENDRENOABORTION 3 months ago
Murder is murder no matter what age the person or persons might be.
Anyone who takes another persons life is a murderer and those who take the lives of a child born and unborn is a murderer as well.
Anyone who supports or gets and abortion is a murderer because they are in fact supporting the genocide of humanity.
freedomfighterguy1 3 months ago
Those who support abortion might hate me, but I say unto you that I do not hate you or want to harm you because that would make me just as bad as those who commit murders. In fact I don't hate you at all, what I feel towards you is pity towards you that you support murder of unborn children who is in fact the future generations of the human race.
freedomfighterguy1 3 months ago
@freedomfighterguy1 why does it seem like all pro-lifers have an incorrect definition of murder? Does that say anything about the pro-life supporters as a whole? A fetus cannot be regarded as a person because a person would imply that it is an individual, which is incorrect because the baby is part of it's mother for 9 months... Abortion isn't murder, but if you are going to label pro-choicers in this fashion is it appropriate to say all pro-lifers hate women's rights?
BlackIceDPS 3 months ago
@BlackIceDPS Why is it all pro-choicers have an incorrect definition of life? A fetus is alive as soon as it's conceived and ending that life with a premeditated choice is murder.
Except under specific circumstances, a woman loses her right to kill as soon as the sperm reaches the egg. Abortion is not and should not be an "ethical" form of contraceptive; there are plenty of other ways to prevent pregnancy that are far more humane including abstinence.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman I never said a fetus was not living... It is not murder because murder implies that the event was unlawful and premeditated killing of a human. With abortion being legal it is not murder... Actually a woman doesn't lose her right, that baby is a pest to her for 9 months and it lives off of her body. She should have all the right in the world to remove it if she desires, just the same as she would have the right to remove a tapeworm.
BlackIceDPS 3 months ago
@BlackIceDPS Did you just seriously compare the precious gift that is a growing baby to a tapeworm?
Okay, conversation over, you're just a heartless piece of shit and I won't waste any more of my time even reading your replies.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman Typical pro-lifer reaction, you dismiss the other persons argument with "omg you are heartless". You obviously lack the brain power to have a constructive conversation.
BlackIceDPS 3 months ago
@BlackIceDPS
morally bankrupt baby killer enabler
ENDRENOABORTION 3 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION Cool story bro.
BlackIceDPS 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman please don't curse. I understand your frustration and I can't believe he said that, but no need to curse. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 But three lefts do ;).
And I actually did restrain myself in that reply; there was a lot more cursing and angry-ness that was deleted before being posted, but I realized that wouldn't accomplish anything and censored myself.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman Please don't curse at all. If you are so angry, then please calm down before replying.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Lucky10279 This is the Internet, rage-posts are all the... no, no, that's too obvious.
Let me try that again. I curse in real life and that's going to spill over into my comments, calm or angry. Sry if that offends you, but really, if you're that sensitive to cursing you really should not read YouTube comments. Ever. My one little scatological reference (that was completely deserved, btw) is extremely tame compared to some of the rage-fueled flamewars on here.
Dargonhuman 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman I know a lot of people are cursing more than that and I asked then to stop too. Could you please just not ok? it makes us all look bad.
Lucky10279 3 months ago
@Dargonhuman that is an incorrect defintion
Lucky10279 2 months ago
@Lucky10279 You have revealed yourself to be a troll.
BlackIceDPS 2 months ago
@Dargonhuman unborn babies are just like tapeworms...they take the most of thefood you ingest, sit inside you for a certain amount of time, come out of your body because they get too big, and some people dont want them
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@Dargonhuman "a fetus is alive as soon as it's conceives"...says who...technically it is just a mass of cells not a life
packofwolves93 1 month ago
@packofwolves93 All humans are just a "mass of cells". Following this logic, is it alright for me to kill my whole family? After all they are just a "mass of cells" and aren't really living.
BlackIceDPS 1 month ago
@BlackIceDPS to be concidered living you must be 1. undergo metabolism 2. maintain homeostasis 3. possess a capacity to grow 4. respond to stimuli 5. reproduce 6. and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations.....so no if your family can do these things then you would be taking a life
packofwolves93 1 month ago