@glenbobsoapshop Structural damage from debris rom the north tower collapse, and subsequent fires which went unfought for 7 hours weakened a key column which led to complete collapse. Firefighters knew well in advance collapse was imminent which was why no one was killed when it came down.. WTC7 is really not this big mystery it's made out to be.
no way, one of the pieces of debris put there had a big red 'c' on it. It was sitting face up for the outside world to see. No way in hell, a 5 year old can see through this. Each piece was small enough to be picked up by a person. All pieces together could have been put in a van. Look up 'real plane crashes', every time huge pieces are left. Try Lockerbie or the recent pakistan plane crash. These are real, they leave burnt bodies, seats, black boxes etc,
@donutmoron Most plane crashes also don't involve hitting the side of a reinforced concrete building at high speeds either. And both black boxes were found.
A 757 does not weigh 400 tons. Its maximum takeoff weight is 127.5 tons This includes 11,489 gals of fuel and a full contingent of 234 passengers and 6 crew plus cargo. Flight 77 carried only 64 passengers so you have to subtract some weight there. And about 39 tons of fuel went up in smoke. The plane shattered into hundreds of pieces on impact, exploded, burnt and was buried under tons of concrete and steel when 3 floors of the Pentagon collapsed on it. I don't see the big mystery.
My comment was a direct response to Lennharts erroneous statement that a757 weighs 400 tons and his opinions regarding the amount of visible debris in the photographs. As for the pentagon damage. There are many factors to consider. The structure was reinforced and extremely strong, the swept back nature of the wings themselves. And the angle and pitch of the aircraft at the moment of impact
Yeah, plus isn't a plane (specificly the wing) made of aluminium? And you expect a big hole in the pentagon? It's like throwing glas at a brick wall. If you throw hard enough you'll have shattered glass, and a scratched wall..
lol okay I meant when you (as in human) throw it. Well anyway, what I tried to say was: I don't expect a big gaping hole in the pentagon, just from those weak aluminium wings.
llol three floors.. of debree is nothing the plane is two stories high just because the floors fall on them they cant make them vanish... where are the titanium engines... no one piece of luggage... yet the offices are still in tack.. and books are still siffting on desk... not even chared.
I stand by my comment tinman842. The mass of the collapsed section of the Pentagon is far greater than the mass of Flight77. By the way. What do YOU think hit the Pentagon?
@fizziwig88 And a kamikaze pilot during World War II had no chance of sinking an aircraft carrier. All they could do it make a plane sized hole, and that didn't do much damage.
@johnhall77 On the contrary. In the Battle of Leyte gulf . The carrier USS St.Lo was sank as a direct result of a Kamikaze attack. In the same battle four support vessels were also sunk and twenty three heavily damaged. Also you're comparing much smaller and slower aircraft striking armoured ships to 911.
@johnhall77 I think you have misunderstood a comment I made while arguing with a conspiracy nut. I do indeed believe that the Pentagon was struck by a jetliner.
their should be wings or atleast a wing imprent on both sides of the target.. so where are passengers...same in other plane that dove into the ground... it dicintigrated.. into a small hole.. no debreis .. yet all other plane crashes even with total explosions most of plane is identifyable you always see them taking all debries back and putting plane together again even with burnt parts.. yet here every highjacked plane decentigrates..... towers fall perfectly..even tower 7
The first SCRAP shown was photographed later giving an idea of size. It was about three feet.
Clue: a 757 weighs about 400 TONS.
Since matter DOES NOT DE-MATERIALIZE or pop into another dimension, the amount of aircraft debris will always weigh about the same minus the weight of burned fuel.
A 400 ton airliner will ALWAYS leave behind 400 tonss wreckate.
Only IDIOTS believe that much wreckagte was found at the Pentagon.
I think its just your imagination getting the best of you......if bush did have something to do with 9-11, it woulda came out by now, quit trying to figure out something you know nothing about.....
there were many other photos, including photos of the victims burned alive. All this were presented at the Mousauii trials, as well as some of them on 911research.
To say that a plane didn't hit the pentagon goes against all fact and logic.
130+ eyewitnesses saw a plane hit the pentagon, 8 pilots, a firefighter and many people driving on the highway(including tourists). Victims on the plane were identified through DNA testing. Engine parts were found, black box, and the landing gear
"shows the same pictures or pictures of the same piece of debris from multiple angles"
I don't know how you get that. I did a quick count while watching and saw at least 6 or 7 different LARGE pieces (including the landing gear strut, wheel & internal engine compressor) and several shots of large areas littered with small parts & pieces. According to eyewitnesses, there were small pieces blown back as far as the highway, and teams of soldiers spent hours collecting them all.
Its weird though... all the other parts are scorched and burned (even though another film on here shows these parts DO NOT belong to 757) yet the nice shiny piece of fuselage skin, Oh so coincidentally marked with the "A" of american airlines is untouched by fire. Now considering that american airlines have the writing above the windows, how did this come to be. It should be burned unless the plane landed upside down and got ripped off? Anybody care to explain?
I totally agree with what you are trying to say here, that there was in fact plane debris at the pentagon, but your video pretty much just shows the same pictures or pictures of the same piece of debris from multiple angles.
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youngdrodeau 1 year ago
@youngdrodeau Building debris doesn't leave behind pieces of fusalage, a wheel, black boxes, or landing gear.
eaglejoe8 7 months ago
@eaglejoe8 Maybe. But how do you explain building 7
glenbobsoapshop 5 months ago
@glenbobsoapshop Structural damage from debris rom the north tower collapse, and subsequent fires which went unfought for 7 hours weakened a key column which led to complete collapse. Firefighters knew well in advance collapse was imminent which was why no one was killed when it came down.. WTC7 is really not this big mystery it's made out to be.
eaglejoe8 5 months ago
@eaglejoe8 That sounds like troll speech to me.
glenbobsoapshop 4 months ago
@glenbobsoapshop Apperantly, facts are considered troll speech where you come from.
eaglejoe8 4 months ago
no way, one of the pieces of debris put there had a big red 'c' on it. It was sitting face up for the outside world to see. No way in hell, a 5 year old can see through this. Each piece was small enough to be picked up by a person. All pieces together could have been put in a van. Look up 'real plane crashes', every time huge pieces are left. Try Lockerbie or the recent pakistan plane crash. These are real, they leave burnt bodies, seats, black boxes etc,
donutmoron 1 year ago
@donutmoron Most plane crashes also don't involve hitting the side of a reinforced concrete building at high speeds either. And both black boxes were found.
eaglejoe8 7 months ago
A 757 does not weigh 400 tons. Its maximum takeoff weight is 127.5 tons This includes 11,489 gals of fuel and a full contingent of 234 passengers and 6 crew plus cargo. Flight 77 carried only 64 passengers so you have to subtract some weight there. And about 39 tons of fuel went up in smoke. The plane shattered into hundreds of pieces on impact, exploded, burnt and was buried under tons of concrete and steel when 3 floors of the Pentagon collapsed on it. I don't see the big mystery.
fizziwig88 2 years ago
well put. im glad to see that there ARE level headed people out there.
squat625 2 years ago
there is a hole in your story
if a plane hits something its bound to leave a mark after the wings, there is no such mark in the pentagon...
did the plane ''transform'' and form a wingless plane or is this just a whole lot of bullshit ?
ziggijo 2 years ago
My comment was a direct response to Lennharts erroneous statement that a757 weighs 400 tons and his opinions regarding the amount of visible debris in the photographs. As for the pentagon damage. There are many factors to consider. The structure was reinforced and extremely strong, the swept back nature of the wings themselves. And the angle and pitch of the aircraft at the moment of impact
fizziwig88 2 years ago
Yeah, plus isn't a plane (specificly the wing) made of aluminium? And you expect a big hole in the pentagon? It's like throwing glas at a brick wall. If you throw hard enough you'll have shattered glass, and a scratched wall..
Kikopuz 2 years ago
if the glass is traveling fast enough, it will put a hole in the brick.
but most truthers don't know any physics
taledarkside 2 years ago
lol okay I meant when you (as in human) throw it. Well anyway, what I tried to say was: I don't expect a big gaping hole in the pentagon, just from those weak aluminium wings.
Kikopuz 2 years ago
llol three floors.. of debree is nothing the plane is two stories high just because the floors fall on them they cant make them vanish... where are the titanium engines... no one piece of luggage... yet the offices are still in tack.. and books are still siffting on desk... not even chared.
tinman842 2 years ago
I stand by my comment tinman842. The mass of the collapsed section of the Pentagon is far greater than the mass of Flight77. By the way. What do YOU think hit the Pentagon?
fizziwig88 2 years ago
@fizziwig88 And a kamikaze pilot during World War II had no chance of sinking an aircraft carrier. All they could do it make a plane sized hole, and that didn't do much damage.
johnhall77 1 year ago
@johnhall77 On the contrary. In the Battle of Leyte gulf . The carrier USS St.Lo was sank as a direct result of a Kamikaze attack. In the same battle four support vessels were also sunk and twenty three heavily damaged. Also you're comparing much smaller and slower aircraft striking armoured ships to 911.
fizziwig88 1 year ago
@fizziwig88 And you're saying that a jet liner can't take out a wall of the Pentagon?
johnhall77 1 year ago
@johnhall77 I think you have misunderstood a comment I made while arguing with a conspiracy nut. I do indeed believe that the Pentagon was struck by a jetliner.
fizziwig88 1 year ago
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fizziwig88 2 years ago
whered the wings go?
Blobadelics 2 years ago
their should be wings or atleast a wing imprent on both sides of the target.. so where are passengers...same in other plane that dove into the ground... it dicintigrated.. into a small hole.. no debreis .. yet all other plane crashes even with total explosions most of plane is identifyable you always see them taking all debries back and putting plane together again even with burnt parts.. yet here every highjacked plane decentigrates..... towers fall perfectly..even tower 7
tinman842 2 years ago
Besides --an association of PROFESSIONAL PILOTS obtained the OFFICIAL FLIGHT DATA from the NTSB in response to an FOIA request.
Guess what!
FLIGHT 77 WAS AT AN ALTITUDE OF ABOUT 273 FEET AT THE TIME BUSHIES SAY IT HIT THE PENTAGON.
Therefore --FLIGHT 77 COULD NOT HAVE AND DID NOT STRIKE THE PENTAGON.
Moreover, witnesses who claimed to have seen it crash in Pent could NOT have because it was on a trajectory which they COULD NOT HAVE SEEN.
Again --77 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON.
lennhart 3 years ago
This video is bullshit.
The first SCRAP shown was photographed later giving an idea of size. It was about three feet.
Clue: a 757 weighs about 400 TONS.
Since matter DOES NOT DE-MATERIALIZE or pop into another dimension, the amount of aircraft debris will always weigh about the same minus the weight of burned fuel.
A 400 ton airliner will ALWAYS leave behind 400 tonss wreckate.
Only IDIOTS believe that much wreckagte was found at the Pentagon.
lennhart 3 years ago
whats the song
oliversudz101 3 years ago
Evanescence Everybodys Fool.
Seemed appropriate.
BV
bonavada 3 years ago
I think its just your imagination getting the best of you......if bush did have something to do with 9-11, it woulda came out by now, quit trying to figure out something you know nothing about.....
Bulldogz3642 3 years ago
enjoy camp fema!
bigjohnmlb 3 years ago
haha this is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories to ever come out
enjoy your basement and tin hat
heafers84 3 years ago
Yea- in the days of digital photography, advanced disaster team protocols and an infinite budget - we got, ummm, how many photos to show people?
Heck, I used to work for a disaster restoration company and we would take 20x that number of pics on a job!
mindprism 3 years ago
there were many other photos, including photos of the victims burned alive. All this were presented at the Mousauii trials, as well as some of them on 911research.
To say that a plane didn't hit the pentagon goes against all fact and logic.
130+ eyewitnesses saw a plane hit the pentagon, 8 pilots, a firefighter and many people driving on the highway(including tourists). Victims on the plane were identified through DNA testing. Engine parts were found, black box, and the landing gear
heafers84 3 years ago
some people may not realize this but the gov can put FAKE debris at any place and take photos
shadowofdarkchaos 3 years ago
I was thinking how I would post that now folks will claim the debris was planted while wahile I was watching that vid, then I scrolled down.....
homeostasis4me 3 years ago
and they did this while hundreds of people watched?? There was live video within minutes showing plane debris.
Over 130 witnesses saw a plane hit, there's not any mention of anything else.
Face it you've been duped by the troofer movement and the we are challenged crowd.
The idea that a plane didn't hit is completely against logic and fact.
Even parts of your own movement thinkk you're retarded such as 911research.
heafers84 3 years ago
"shows the same pictures or pictures of the same piece of debris from multiple angles"
I don't know how you get that. I did a quick count while watching and saw at least 6 or 7 different LARGE pieces (including the landing gear strut, wheel & internal engine compressor) and several shots of large areas littered with small parts & pieces. According to eyewitnesses, there were small pieces blown back as far as the highway, and teams of soldiers spent hours collecting them all.
ReemYoranus 3 years ago
Its weird though... all the other parts are scorched and burned (even though another film on here shows these parts DO NOT belong to 757) yet the nice shiny piece of fuselage skin, Oh so coincidentally marked with the "A" of american airlines is untouched by fire. Now considering that american airlines have the writing above the windows, how did this come to be. It should be burned unless the plane landed upside down and got ripped off? Anybody care to explain?
ollylewin 3 years ago
I totally agree with what you are trying to say here, that there was in fact plane debris at the pentagon, but your video pretty much just shows the same pictures or pictures of the same piece of debris from multiple angles.
Get more photos.
kloran77 4 years ago