Rite Of Spring - Pina Baush / Весна священная - Пина Бауш [T-portal.ru]

[SimpsonAvik]

Mне кажется, что такого количества вдохновенья и эмоции, есть только на небесах !!! Стравински сумел преодолеть человечность и дойти до СОВЕРШЕНСТВА. ДОСТИЧЬ БОГОВ !!!

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[lalyrodriges]

@SimpsonAvik polnost'jyu s vami soglasen.

[FestivalMirabilia]

last one... dont read books about dance, dont read critics and reviews.... just go to see good shows, and enjoy it. Once you saw a couple of thousands shows, THEN you can start to read about, just to know why you enjoyed it!

Sorry for my english... i do not speak english.

[FestivalMirabilia]

Ps, i did not want to be critical on comments, or offensive. I just work on culture, and i dont like when people hide their lack of direct experience behind pseudocultivated words. Dance, when is well done, is mainly emotional, and if emotions are not passed to the audience, is not good dance, is just a thecnical fake. So, experience emotions and beauty, then analize.

[FestivalMirabilia]

At least write it correctly.... Ridi pagliaccio. And dont do too much intellectual analysis... if you dont manage it. Sorry for saying it so brutally, but Pina was history before you tube, there is not much freedom in his creation, just intelligence and sense of new times. Take a tiket for london and go to Sadderswell, to understand better contemporary dance.

[blackmanjohn9]

dont worry about analysis.. enjoy the beauty..

[TheVerveIndex]

Thank you for this video. Powerful, overwhelming and beautiful. No other discourse is necessary. Thank you.

[MrMultijosefus]

I think what Pina was trying to do was exercise freedom of expression to the point where the freedom has more value than the expression because she was traumatized by the Nazi regime movement Enstartete kuntz of censorship where they burned books and other works of art ( specially jewish) during1935-1940. The excessive freedom in her art reflects this psychological trauma. By breaking away with all traditional structures her freedom becomes a symbol more valuable than the expression.

[MrMultijosefus]

Pina grew up in a war torn country where most of the infrastructure was reduced to ruins,most of the men were dead and the country was divided by three ocuppying military regimes.All the psychological trauma inflicted upon her by growing up in these conditions reflects in her neurosis driven ultra futuristic attempts to reinvent modern dance to the point of turning it into an irrecognizable form of performance art. You know what would make me really sad? That no one would be able to

[MrMultijosefus]

Ah! Der kinder.Meine leibkin.Ach du Lieber.Gott in Himmel! Pina Bausch und ze macabre danse.Alle menschen sprache eine sprache uber nicht alle menschen sprache EINE sprache!All fraulein danse eine danse uber nicht alle fraulein danse EINE danse.Pina der fraulein wunderbar! Achtung her major!Gotterdammerung.Also sprach Zarathustra und Nietzche ist eine dumpkopf.

[MrMultijosefus]

What about Rudolf Laban he created the theory of spatial dynamics. The movement within the extension.He also wrote a book "Effort" (1947) about his theory of efficient movement. This character studied the movement of humans and how to make it more efficient. This is the kind of stuff I want to read and not about your psychological problems. If you do not have the guts it takes to be an intellectual then by all means walk away.

[MrMultijosefus]

What makes Pina such a genius? The violent manipulation of stage props rather than actually have people dance? The other day I was in a barroom fight , tables and chairs were flying; it was better performance art than "Cafe Muller".I am laughing so hard right now my gut is about to explode.Thank you for making me laugh so hard. Or covering a stage with soil? Why not cover it with excrement and call it excrement oriented performance art? OMG LOL.

[MrMultijosefus]

Pina was talking to Jose Limon at Juilliard back in 1961. Limon was trying to convince her that she was 50 years ahead of her time.Pina replied: I will give you one word that will shed so much light into modern dance, performance art and what I am trying to do that you will be amazed, dumbfounded and awestruck all at once. The word is retard.

[MultiJosefus]

Oh are we "Arguing"? I thought we were learning about the history of modern expressionistic dance instead of the fact that labeling people as moronic does nothing for the advancement of western civilization. I never said that Pina was less than a genius. I have my reservations about her "performance art".If you are tired of learning please take a break while I read the enciclopedia Brittanica for the 145th time. The article about "modern dance".

[MultiJosefus]

One day in Paris on a sidewalk cafe named "Le recherche du Temps Perdu" Pina was having her favorite apple struddel with beer imported from Berlin when Jean Paul Sartre walks by.He asks: "Aren't you Pina Bausch?" She replies: "Yes, and I think your book, "Being and Nothingness" is more about nothingness than being." Sartre laughed and retorted: "And I think you know nothing about dance but your performance art is outrageous!" If you can prove this anecdote is fake...

[MultiJosefus]

Mario Petipa and Lev Ivanov choreographed "The Nutcracker Suite" in 1892.The modern dance expressionistic movement started in 1900.Do the math.The time difference is irrelevant.Suggestion: Read 200 history books before you post your comments on this forum to avoid the risk of being publicly humilliated because of your ignorance of the subject.

[MrMultijosefus]

Bausch was born in Dusseldorf in 1940. I thought she choreographed ballet because she did work with the Metropolitan Opera Ballet Co in NYC and New American Ballet. She studied at Juilliard (NYC) in 1960. Her teachers were Antony Tudor, Jose Limon and Paul Taylor. She choreographed "The Dance of the Blessed Spirits" which was classical ballet (music composed by Christoph Gluck) But after watching most of her work I think what she does can be called modern dance. Please do not call it ballet.

[MrMultijosefus]

quality that never ceases to surprise and impress?True. That she departs too far away from classical ballet? True. Classical ballet is aesthetically pleasing because you know what to expect. But Pina Bausch choreography is trying too hard to shock and awe. Perhaps I do not like to be surprised or impressed when I go watch ballet.And the suffering of the primma donna? There is enough suffering in the world. Do I have to watch ballet dancers suffering? Innovative yet disturbing.

[MrMultijosefus]

After watching the performance 12 times and comparing it to classical ballet such as Tchaikovski's "Nutcracker suite" and "Swan Lake" I find it departs too far away from classical.That the choreography has some merit , of course there are moments where the poetry of the body in motion is obvious even brilliant. But the static dancers? Is this some kind of criticism of classical performance. There is no turnout, no arabesque it is all avant garde. That Pina Bausch modernism has an innovative

[SuperSF007]

@MrMultijosefus retard

[MrMultijosefus]

@SuperSF007 Your one word comment not only indicates you lack an extensive vocabulary it also proves you are a mental defective.Next time why do not you try to write a complete sentence ? If you have the mental capacity to do so.I would really like to enter into a battle of wits with you so I can crush you and make you feel like the intellectually challenged and inferior being you are.I dare you to answer and please try to use a complete sentence this time.If you can.

[MrMultijosefus]

@SuperSF007 Instead of insulting each other like teenage morons why do not we try to shed some light into modern expressionistic dance?In the subject of theories of spatial dynamics applied to modern dance I think Hanya Holmes has more merit than Pina Bausch. What do you think about this? Please try to answer in complete sentences and use a dictionary.Or are you a retard?

[MrMultijosefus]

@SuperSF007 I guess you are so intimidated by a clearly superior intellect all you can do is hide your head in the sand like a mentally ill ostrich.How about you contribute something of value to this intellectual forum instead of throwing feces at people like chimpanzees do at the zoo. Thank you for not answering my question now we now what you are made off.Can not even turn pages of books. Pathetic.

[tinamc921]

@MrMultijosefus why on earth would you compare pina to classical ballet? do you even know who she is?



[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 Some of the awards Pina has received include the Laurence Olivier award from the UK. The Kioto Prize from Japan and the Goethe prize form her natal Germany.So the fact that her work has been recognized by the international arts community is established. Now you know who you are dealing with.I do my research.I suggest you do extensive research before you write your response so you do not end up feeling intellectually inferior. Controversy creates exciting dialogue which brings about

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 wisdom. And why should I not compare this modern dance to classical ballet? State your objections. Please try to write a 20 paragraph essay about this matter. I would like to know if I am dealing with an intellectual or a common ordinary person with a limited vocabulary.I hope Youtube allows extensive comments because I love grandielocuent discourses and not one word comments or intelectually defective discourses.

[tinamc921]

@MrMultijosefus Yes, I know how to use wikipedia as well. congratulations. you wouldn't compare pina to classical ballet because they are two completely different genres. pina was a genius and the fact that you say you watched swan lake and think she departs from the classical too much is moronic because duh, that was the purpose of her choreography.

[tinamc921]

@MrMultijosefus swan lake and pina's version of rite of spring are from two completely different time periods. now i'd like a 20 paragraph essay about how you should compare apples to potatoes.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 In 1983 an Italian tabloid reported an intimate relationship between Bausch and Federico Fellini. What was the name of the newspaper? If you can not answer this question then it is you who know nothing about Pina.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 So you think that classical ballet is not dance? Then what is it? Have you seen Cafe Muller? Dancers walk instead of dancing and they are stumbling upon chairs and tables? This is revolutionary modern expressionistic dance taken to such extremes that it can not be called "dance" anymore. That it is some form of modern "theater" or perhaps a breaking with tradition to the point of creating a new artistic genre. I will concede this point. Do not you love all this controversy?

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 Even Kurt Jooss Pina's teacher and his colleague Sigurd Leeder were criticized for their "Dance of Death" in 1927 for being too avant garde.They went to Paris in 1926 to study CLASSICAL BALLET with Russian ballerina Lubov Egorova.The theater at Munster changed personnel and programs because of this avant gardism. Many of Jooss colleagues left the WEstfalische Akademie that he later moved to Essen renaming it the Folkwang Schule.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 So even Pina's teacher studied classical ballet and she was a genius of course the choreographer for Tchaikovski's "Swan Lake " and "Nutcracker Suite" was a pathetic fool who knew nothing about "dance"

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 I am sorry. I am not accessing wikipedia. I wrote a bunch of letters to Pina back in 1999. She never answered perhaps she was too busy creating this moustruosity that she tried to pass as modern expressionistic avant garde "dance" that I find disturbing to answer any of my letters about modern dance techniques before she died in 2009. Now I will never know what was behind her excessive avant gardism.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 You did not answer my question about the Italian tabloid where Fellini and Bausch were featured.I guess (duh) you know nothing about Pina Bausch and the moronic one is you.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 You did not include enough euphemisms and did not mention interesting facts about the history of modern dance like I do.You merely point out the obvious and call intellectuals like me moronic because you lack the intelligence to bring wisdom to the discussion therefore resorting to infantile insults that shed no light into the intellectual proceedings of people more intelligent than you.What do uyou know about Jooss if anything at all?

[MultiJosefus]

@tinamc921 Before you leave the library and return to your computer to attempt to answer the question about the Italian tabloid let me tell you something about Kurt Jooss. My grandfather met him back in 1933 when he was touring America with "The Green Table". Jewish Americans congratulated him on the fact that he left Germany because the Nazi regime forced him to fire his jewish collaborators. Roosevelt was president ,Adolph Hitler dide not like Jooss's work and it is futile for students to try

[MultiJosefus]

@tinamc921 It is futile for students to try to upstage their teachers so go back to your books and read about 2000 pages of history before you attempt to apppear more intelligent than me. And can you do this while sharing interesting facts about modern expressionistic dance?

[tinamc921]

@MultiJosefus please find someone else to argue with. and as i'm sure you will interpret this as me knowing nothing about pina, kurt joos, hanya holm, martha, twyla, isadora or any other famous dancer (all of whom i have a very clear understanding of without having to know the name of a newspaper), i'm done trying to convince you that pina was a genius. you can go about your day feeling better about yourself for putting down random people on the internet. enjoy swan lake.

[MrMultijosefus]

@tinamc921 And you are doing a great job of demonstrating your understanding of all these people you mention judging by all the interesting facts and picturesque anecdotes you offer us about them. Which is what I am looking for and not an excuse for you to walk away from the fray because your psyche is too fragile. How about you do some actual research instead of pretending to be hurt you delicate flower? Do some more reading and less walking away. Boo hoo cry me a river!

[MarSeKan]

Sagração por 4 coreografias: 1- Vaslav Nijinsky 1913 versão de Millicent Hodson 1992 com a bailarina Marie-Claude Pietragalla, 2- Pina Bausch com a Malou Ariaudo 1975, 3- Angelin Preljocaj com a Nagisa Shirai 2001, 4- Tero Saarinen como coreografo e dançarino 2008.

[MrMultijosefus]

This choreography is excruciatingly painful in its persuit of aesthetic surrealism. Anatomical poetry of the body in motion? Or vain attempt at art nouveau. Avant garde or extrapolation of new influences taken to the nth potency? What does it all mean? I will attempt to answer this question after six months research into innovative ballet techniques. The dancers standing motionless in the background. It does not work for me.Bare breasts nudity as artistic persuit. Me like.

[degd65]

@MrMultijosefus Don't worry it is just that you have arrived at your limits of understanding the heart and scope of dance

[MultiJosefus]

@degd65 Then please, by all means tell us what is the heart and scope of modern expressionistic dance. Please write a 60 paragraph essay where you bedazzle all of us with your extensive knowledge about the subject. Why do not you begin by providing us with a list of the towns Kurt Jooss visited here in the US back in 1933? I hope you can provide us with this list, otherwise we will know you are not so knowledgeable about the subject.

[degd65]

@MultiJosefus Lists and numbers will not contribute to a better understanding of the dance. I think it is sad when you think it contributes to a better understanding

[MrMultijosefus]

@degd65 Then please by all means tell us what will contribute to a better understanding of the subject.Whatever evokes a feeling of melancholy or sadness in your spirit will not contribute anything to our understanding of the subject either.How about you offer an interesting anecdote about the history of modern expressionistic dance instead of wasting our time with your lack of happiness?

[MrMultijosefus]

@degd65 That no one would be able to provide us with a better psychological assessment of Pina Bausch's neurosis reflected into her "art" by the historical/political/social factors that traumatized her and many Germans of post WWII reconstruction period Germany (1945-1960) Please include dates so your historical assessment of the situation has a certain degree of validity or chronological intellectual diatribe strenghth within historical/social parameters.Try to beat that! Ridi Pagliachi!

[naditales]

uuuaaauuu que virguería.... ummm los rusos no me van a entender jajaja!!!!

[MrMultijosefus]

@naditales Los rusos no lo van a entender pero yo si.Su comentario no arroja ninguna luz sobre la historia de la danza expresionista moderna y me parece muy poco intelectual. Por que no vuelve a la universidad por diez anos y luego puede comentar en este foro. Que le parece si hace un profundo analysis de el baile de Pina Bausch y asi todos aprendemos algo en vez de burlarnos de la inabilidad de los rusos de hablar espanol.