Actually, if we do end up with a totalitarian dictatorship - it will more than likely be a religious theocracy. Dictators tend to be pragmatic people, and official atheism has proven itself a lousy ideology for dictatorships (look how quickly Communism collapsed in the late 1980s.)
Religious lunacy works a lot better (think the "Islamic Republic" of Iran, the Taliban, Calvin's Geneva in the 1500s, medieval Europe under the Papacy/Inquisition, or any ancient despotism/monarchy you care to name.)
The reason the twilight zone maked atheism one of the features of the state is because it was made in the early 60's and communism was a "threat" to the united states.
There is nothing wrong nor evil with atheism, just as there is nothing wrong or evil with not believing in santa.
@Velayasha It is blunt and it makes me sound like a utilitarian but it actually opens up ideas of to a broader view that doesn't just apply to humans. We developed in a hostile world that lacks emotions, so as humans we show now sympathy to it, thus contributing to a world that can be simplified as opposing forces that either just act, the sun, or have some kind of drive, life. If humans believe in god, specifically a human centric god, we'll still contribute to a world were life objectifies.
@phyrexiancure Interesting consideration; however your statement reaffirms good and evil. In this dimension all is defined by coexistences. It seems we live in a realm defined by struggle; opposition. To identify reality we need contrast. Try defining something solitarily unique, like trees, to someone who has never seen one before. Everything we perceive, is defined by another thing. Good is good because bad is bad and vice versa.
@astonehunter What is good and bad was defined by Paul by saying if it wasn't for the Law, he wouldn't know what is. Basically any good/bad is relative. Unless there are absolutes - and there is no such thing as absolute relativity - that'd be just majority rules. Unless there is a Higher Authority of God, then we're sentenced to an existence of battling relativism. And that will not work, because no matter how liberal any claim to be, they will draw a line at something.
@firebirdhome Forgive me. It has been so long since my response to you I dont recall what I said. I basically agree with you, so that leads me to believe you may have misunderstood me, unless your response was not a rebutle. The reason I said I basically agree with you, is because its my experience that definitions of intangible entity are triune, being three parts/whole, existence, application, response. We may agree on matter defined but disagree on its application or the results of it, thanks
this clip is only sections cut in a separate order to imply focus on the religious aspect to this. the full episode is clearly about the dictation and powers of the state. & on this issue of religion, if there was or wasn't clearly a god, could the state have the ability and power to decide? no, but the state has the ability to brainwash a society into believing in itself. So therefore, in such case- the state replaces the god as divine ruler over man & the road to serfdom is complete.
" the Chancellor was wrong about one thing: any state capable of judging its own citizens obsolete is itself obsolete." - Rod Serling closing narration, the obsolete man.
Of course to the average idiot (petulant atheist/Dim theist) with an opinion, this is about big bad atheism and poor down trodden religion. In a way it is but it is also the other way around too. The point of this story is that we have no right to decide whether or not a person deserves to live based on their beliefs.
@BOSSrevival You are no different with Joseph Stalin and those butchers before him. Slaughter all that disagree with the state. The state IS the religion.
@RacerXGTO - Stalin and modern China are Atheism in power examples, and butchery is the rule. Let's compare to the US/Canada where you are free to worship anything you believe or NOT believe, and you will not be killed... I like the nations founded on Christian laws first - no they need not be labelled Christian nations, but all the founding was on their principles, even freedom to those who believe nothing....
Don't look now, bright-eyes, but there's an anti-democratic zeitgeist going on here and nobody does shite about it. What do you think people are going to say about you?
@montelee who wont miss me? hmmmm? no one will but im pretty sure someone somewhere will miss me in the dark corners of the twilight zone (theme song)
@montelee I think you're confusing me with the other guy. I just made a statement on a youtube video that seems to be critical of atheists, of which I am one.
@conkpit Some argue God in the old testament did alot worse then Satan though usually in the context of a joke.
For us mortals evil works around pain and suffering though is subjective like a doctor snapping a brocken bone into place will cause a moments suffering but ultimately it's for the good of the patient.
In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
11:(7) He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"
@anthonythirteen Even though it does not support it, i think they had the right view on what a christian is supposed to be, because the guy locked him in the room and read the word of god, but instead of condemning the man who did not believe he forgave him and said "In the name of god i will let you out.", Christians, if they follow god do not attack other people because of beliefs but show love.
Curiously edited to a third of the episode's length, could have had more impact in whole, I don't know; yet the plug for the Menthol Mist of an Honest Smoke like Oasis Cigarettes ("for those who pay the tab") remains intact...
ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE!!! One of my favorite Episodes. Nothing on TV even comes remotely close today. Rod Sterling was an incredible writer. The good ol USA is heading to this kind of godless state worshipping socialist country. Im glad I`ll be dead and gone then. Thanks for posting!!
Regardless of the originally intended pro-religion message, it seems to me the lessons here are:
1) When forced to confront the fallacy of his beliefs, the average religious nut will resort to terrorism (holding another against his will under danger of death until he comes around to your way of thinking) and blowing himself up rather than accept logic and reason.
2) Religious nonsense is indeed a virus that spreads to those who are most succeptible to its false promises.
@SakimoriX I don't know that it was intended to be pro-religion as much as it is anti-atheist or more specifically anti-communist. One of the central themes that I got out of it, is that, there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.
I'm curious how you think you know what the "average religious nut/person" would do? In what way was the person in this video confronted with any fallacy? Is religion the nonsense that is a virus, or is it atheism?
@SakimoriX WHo was the religious nut? The 'terrorist' or the Chancellor that represents a state that tells others what they can't believe in? By 'logic & reason' I assume that you mean 'science' - and its false promises? After all, the 'religious nut' lets The Chancellor go.
@anthonythirteen Very insightful comment. Let me add this: Both religion and scientific materialistic atheism (and the academia that indoctrinates that ideology via so-called education, and via mass media) are each memetic in nature. Each offers a total world view, each claims to hold the keys to absolute truth, and each has no room for the other in their view of the universe. Are you familiar with the term/concept known as weltanschauungskrieg? Both are part of how it works, so invisibly,..
@SororThothma No I'm not familiar - although my very bad German translates it as something equivalent 'war of worlds': of course 'welt' in the sense of world view (weltanshauung) rather than HG Wells. Interestingly, Islam had a tradition of 'critical questioning' which is somewhat hidden now. Similarly, Martin Luther asked more penetrating questions of Christianity than Dawkins, so there can be enlightenment in theism & aethism, although both tend to be used to obscure
@TLpwns There are some things in this universe that can't be proven with factual evidence, or at least isn't meant to be proven. I can't prove to you God exists, and in the same way you can't prove to me that He doesn't. Just think, if there is no God, I will not need worry because I've tried to lead a good life based on my faith in Him. But if He does exists, those who deny His existence will be in for quite a surprise when they meet Him.
Believing in something because it can't be proven wrong. Thats horrible justification.
Let us turn the flying spaghetti monster, he can't be proven wrong why don't you believe in him? Come on he can't be proven wrong! That's worth wasting a life giving money and praying daily for!
@TLpwns ...."the fear of God IS the beginning of wisdom"! If you don't have the basic respect and understanding of God, and you think that He does not exist....you are worse than a fool!!!
@drumminghunter God is a homicidal maniac who demands that we worship him or he'll punish us in some way even though he looooooooooves us so much. Thank God (lol) that he doesn't exist or people like me would be dead by now!!!
@cyberceltic what if God exists but it's not the god you particularly worship. What if it's a God who demands that you pour tomato sauce on your head and go "oogah oogah oogah" or if you don't you'll be boiled in oil for eternity? What then? Will you still come out on top? Nope. you'll be burning in oil and wishing you had purchased more Ragu instead of kneeling before some stupid plaster statue of a half-naked idiot nailed to a cross.
@PirateEyepatch I can't fully explain God or faith, nor can anyone. All I can do is choose what to do with the time I'm given. With that time I choose to live a moral life. I'm NOT saying I'm better than you, I'm sure you're a good person. To me religion provides a guideline to living a good life. It's when it's twisted by one's own prejudice that it becomes lunacy. All I can say is live like it's your last day and take care of the people who love you. Or don't. In the end, it's your choice.
@cyberceltic You quote, "I can't fully explain God or faith, nor can anyone" Yet, you say when religion is twisted by one's own prejudice that it becomes lunacy. If no one (including you) can explain God or faith, then how is it that you can judge one's own religious prejudice as twisted and lunatic"? Do you not "explain" in your post that religion "provides a guideline to living a good life? If your philosophy is correct, I can assume your view of religion as a guide to living good is lunacy.
@cyberceltic I can not save myself with imaginary words of salvation the politics that surround my temple are assisted by contenders to the throne. My belief is this , I am not here by accident. Beyond that I think transcends man's ability to understand.
Reading the psalms depressed me as a child, no wonder people only ever quote the 23rd one. King David was really not in a good mood when he came up with that stuff.
The clip makes a good point though. Atheism fails when it forces itself on people. I have nothing but sympathy for the house-Christians and Buddhists in China, even though I don't share their supernatural beliefs. Freedom of thought ftw.
Yeah, I happen to be an atheist- but the cool thing about Rod Serling is you know this episode wasn't a direct attack against atheism- the same message would have gotten across and mean the game thing to him had the roles been reversed. I love Unitarians :D!
True that, I'm sure somewhere in the Twilight Zone religious people are being evil too. And maybe a few religious zealots were momentarily put in an atheist's shoes when they saw that episode. Rod Sterling seems so much like George Orwell sometimes, in a "you'd better hope this shit doesn't happen someday" kind of way.
Streetz, The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is false only because it has not been proven true. Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ignorance doesn't make you correct. Your argument is invalid.
@ Humbler25 my argument isn't based on ignorance rather it's based on the fact that you cannot prove there is a God (hence belief/faith). On that basis, I can conclude a God doesn't exist because it's not possible to prove it.
that is the very definition of an argument from ignorance. just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. a persons ignorance doesn't disprove anything. look up the term, you are comitting a logical fallacy.
streetz, perhaps you need to review the argument from ignorance... do a simple search and you will see the error in your logic. You can't say something doesn't exist because it can't be proven to exist... your ignorance cannot be used to prove or disprove anything.
Streetz, it is a logical fallacy to say that anything doesn't exist due to lack of evidence, because that is an argument stemming from your own ignorance. Your ignorance doesn't prove anything.
No one can say aliens don't exist, simply because there isn't any proof that they do exist. That is a fallacy of logic. A fallacy that you have made about God. You need to rethink your logic because it is seriously flawed.
steetz, I didn't say that... I was merely calling you on a logical fallacy where you said "if it can't be proven than it doesn't exist" that is the very definition of arguing from ignorance. Your ignorance regarding potential evidence and lack of ability to prove something doesn't disprove anything.
@ Humbler25 right, but what I'm saying is anything that is existing can be proven by observance with using ones senses (sight, smell, taste, etc). A belief is on the contrary. You cannot observe it because there is no evidence. If there is evidence for a belief, then it wouldn't be a belief! Yet that is the basis of God, a belief!
my point was that lack of evidence doesn't disprove anything. Just because you can'st see it, smell it, or taste it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People used to think germs didn't exist either because they couldn't see them, smell them, or taste them. People didn't know anything about germs. Does that mean germs were proven to have not existed? Or is it true that they were there all along, peoples ignorance doesn't disprove germs, aliens, or anything else.
@Humbler25 but people didn't believe in germs, they were discovered. ironically you are using belief to prove something. the belief that one day God will be proven. You are missing the very basic definition of belief.
@Humbler25 the basis of non-existence is on the absolute absence of proof and evidence. I can't say mother goose exists because there is absolutely no proof! Yet people can choose to believe.
streetz, I haven't been arguing that anything exists... I've been arguing against your horrible logic in saying that something doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven to exist which is the very definition of arguing from ignorance.
@ Humbler25, are you not reading my comments? It's not that it hasn't been proven, its because it can NEVER be proven. The idea of God in itself is a fallacy, a contradiction.
An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent that cannot control the freewill of humans limits the very foundation of what defines God.
You cannot have total control (which is God) simultaneously exist with free will. It's one or the other and obviously because atheists exist, it's obvious that we have freewill.
streetz, sure I've been reading your comments and marveling at your continued use of logical fallacies without even realizing it. Your ability to prove something doesn't mean that, that something doesn't exist. Your ignorance doesn't disprove anything. Using logical fallacies makes your argument invalid.
Your trying to get into theology... what is the point of debating theology or anything else with someone who uses logical fallacies.
@Humbler25 "streetz, I haven't been arguing that anything exists..." ironically you are arguing something exists. Because you are disagreeing with my arguement that a God CANNOT exist, meaning you are saying a God DOES exist. LOL, you and you accuse me for being illogical? You can't even pick up on your own contradictions.
no, I haven't said anything exists or doesn't, all I've been doing is pointing out your basing arguments off of your ignorance. Look up the term argument from ignorance, it's a logical fallacy, look it up and you will cede the point that you have been comitting that fallacy and as such, your argument is invalid. Aliens can't be proven to exist, does that mean they don't exist? of course not, our ignorance regarding alien life doesn't disprove anything. Your ignorance doesn't disprove God either
@Humbler25 Within the definition of argument from ignorance, I have to create an emphasis on "has not been proven true" which means it leaves the possibility of it being proven in the future. But I commit no fallacy because I recognize that there is no possibility of God existing.
the problem streetz with your logic... is that you are basing no possibility of God existing, on not being able to prove that God exists. Not being able to prove something doesn't mean that something doesn't exist, which is how you have comitted the fallacy.
@ Humbler25 I don't base it on "not being able to prove that God exists" because that is on an individual level which you are saying that merely I cant prove.
I base it on the fact that nobody can prove it because nobody can prove something that is based on contradictions.
What you are saying is that the only things that exist are what is possible to prove. Do you have all knowledge? I didn't think so, without all knowledge you can't say something doesn't exist just because it can't be proven. Using your logic, I guess we can say we know aliens don't exist since it is impossible to prove. Or, we can say aliens might exist even though we can't scientifically prove they do, along with other things as well.
@ Humbler25 you do not need all knowledge to know something doesn't exist. I never said aliens cannot be proven. Aliens do not have the same exact characteristics as God.
true streetz, but aliens can't be scientifically proven either... along with other things that might exist. So, following your thinking, one could say that aliens don't exist due to lack of proof. (which of course would be a fallacy) Or, you could come to your senses and admit that things might exist... even if we can't scientifically prove they exist.
@Humbler25 So you do know that there is an equal chance of dwarfs,elves,orcs,ogres,... existing as there is of god?..why not believe in them then?Because someone wrote a book 2010 years ago? Knowing that those men couldn't explain much then, they put something divine because they did not understand...yet even though as you can see this you remain truthful to their beliefs,even though the Christian god contradicts himself in some things...for example, how can an omnipotent god allow the
@McMilan95 existence of hell,devils,demons, and all bad things.... an omnipotent god that loves all no matter what should not even allow them to be punished for the shortest amount of time... let alone an eternity.
@McMilan95 not true, your trying to compare earthly things with heavenly things and that comparison doesn't work. BTW only part of the book was written 2010 years ago - some parts were written much before that and some parts several years after. The book of which you speak is really a compilation of different books. I don't see how that is a contradiction... how do you know what an omnipotent God would choose to allow?
@Humbler25 If I say that an elf is divine I could use most of your arguments for god,all except that there isn't a book on him from 2010 years ago(or in that period).And you're book telling you that there is an omnipotent god says that he loves all no matter what with a divine love,thats unlimited or something like that...so thats the contradiction,not to mention many things that aren't logical in it.
A god that's omnipotent and loves to that extent would do what I said...
@McMilan95 what arguments have I made for god? where does it say that god loves all no matter what? besides if people desire a life apart from god, and hell is completely void of god... than he would just be giving people what they want - an eternity apart from him... for someone who doesn't believe in god, its funny how you seem to think you know what he would or wouldnt do.
@ Humbler25 The belief in a God is just that a belief. A belief can NEVER be proven. That's why it can't be used to verify the existence of something.
What is missing in the 10 commandments should make anyone worried god isnt there .Thou shall not rape .Thou shall not abuse .Nations shall not go to war etc. etc.
@flyingscience I would argue that he didn't... it says do not commit adultery. Which Jesus expanded on by saying that you even look at a person with lust than you commited adultery in your heart. If just thoughts break that commandment so would rape.
this is such a bad caricature of atheists. a typical assumption by ignorant believers is that we would be as bad as Saudi Arabia . ironically the worst countrys are theocracys.
It's interesting also, in this episode, that a 'man of god' uses a tool of science to attempt murder, namely a bomb.
Frankly, this episode is disturbing and wrong on so many levels. What's the moral here? What was Rod Serling trying to say?
Putting aside that a man was going to commit murder for religion, it was such a completely pointless murder. Killing the controller guy would not change the system that condemned the religious man. It was just personal revenge. Stupid revenge.
Christianity is not a myth? So the Earth really is flat and the Sun orbits the Earth like the bible says? Not! Atheism isn't a religion. You might want to open a dictionary sometime.
The bible actualy states that the earth is round, and that the earth revolves around the sun. Do your homework, becouse you baseless knowledge is loughable.
Actually the bible states the Eartg is a flat "circle". And it states the Sun orbits the Earth, and that the Earth is a mere 6,000 years old. You might want to learn to actually read your bible before quoting it.
Actually, if we do end up with a totalitarian dictatorship - it will more than likely be a religious theocracy. Dictators tend to be pragmatic people, and official atheism has proven itself a lousy ideology for dictatorships (look how quickly Communism collapsed in the late 1980s.)
Religious lunacy works a lot better (think the "Islamic Republic" of Iran, the Taliban, Calvin's Geneva in the 1500s, medieval Europe under the Papacy/Inquisition, or any ancient despotism/monarchy you care to name.)
bjggjb 1 week ago
This is being taken out of it's historic context.
The reason the twilight zone maked atheism one of the features of the state is because it was made in the early 60's and communism was a "threat" to the united states.
There is nothing wrong nor evil with atheism, just as there is nothing wrong or evil with not believing in santa.
mauriciohavok 3 months ago
I agree with the state...
markisonlin3 5 months ago
mmmmm Oasis
MrMllx 6 months ago
i kind of agree with the state
KantorekBaumerB14 6 months ago
@KantorekBaumerB14 - and I agree every member of the state would cower the same way
firebirdhome 5 months ago
I wish Hell & Heaven didn't exist.
SgtGudda 6 months ago
@SgtGudda One day it will be.
astonehunter 6 months ago
@astonehunter How so?
SgtGudda 6 months ago
the twilight zone is one of the best it make you think
urantiruslan 6 months ago
@urantiruslan yes, for me the twilight zone is one of the top 5 tv shows of all time.
icomefromearth01 6 months ago
great episode
urantiruslan 6 months ago
There is no good, only opposing forces
phyrexiancure 7 months ago
@phyrexiancure Your statement proves why Mankind needs God. Your belief is utilitarian at best. Genocidal at it's worst.
Velayasha 7 months ago
@Velayasha It is blunt and it makes me sound like a utilitarian but it actually opens up ideas of to a broader view that doesn't just apply to humans. We developed in a hostile world that lacks emotions, so as humans we show now sympathy to it, thus contributing to a world that can be simplified as opposing forces that either just act, the sun, or have some kind of drive, life. If humans believe in god, specifically a human centric god, we'll still contribute to a world were life objectifies.
phyrexiancure 7 months ago
@phyrexiancure Interesting consideration; however your statement reaffirms good and evil. In this dimension all is defined by coexistences. It seems we live in a realm defined by struggle; opposition. To identify reality we need contrast. Try defining something solitarily unique, like trees, to someone who has never seen one before. Everything we perceive, is defined by another thing. Good is good because bad is bad and vice versa.
astonehunter 6 months ago
@astonehunter What is good and bad was defined by Paul by saying if it wasn't for the Law, he wouldn't know what is. Basically any good/bad is relative. Unless there are absolutes - and there is no such thing as absolute relativity - that'd be just majority rules. Unless there is a Higher Authority of God, then we're sentenced to an existence of battling relativism. And that will not work, because no matter how liberal any claim to be, they will draw a line at something.
firebirdhome 5 months ago
@firebirdhome Forgive me. It has been so long since my response to you I dont recall what I said. I basically agree with you, so that leads me to believe you may have misunderstood me, unless your response was not a rebutle. The reason I said I basically agree with you, is because its my experience that definitions of intangible entity are triune, being three parts/whole, existence, application, response. We may agree on matter defined but disagree on its application or the results of it, thanks
astonehunter 5 months ago
This is one of the best episodes ever.
mozartgenetics 7 months ago
This is very bad acting
TheDrCynic 8 months ago
this clip is only sections cut in a separate order to imply focus on the religious aspect to this. the full episode is clearly about the dictation and powers of the state. & on this issue of religion, if there was or wasn't clearly a god, could the state have the ability and power to decide? no, but the state has the ability to brainwash a society into believing in itself. So therefore, in such case- the state replaces the god as divine ruler over man & the road to serfdom is complete.
sil3ntxOblivion 11 months ago
Let's smoke some cigs!
Jemmer1000 1 year ago
" the Chancellor was wrong about one thing: any state capable of judging its own citizens obsolete is itself obsolete." - Rod Serling closing narration, the obsolete man.
Of course to the average idiot (petulant atheist/Dim theist) with an opinion, this is about big bad atheism and poor down trodden religion. In a way it is but it is also the other way around too. The point of this story is that we have no right to decide whether or not a person deserves to live based on their beliefs.
Aurelian603 1 year ago
@Aurelian603 - Ronald Reagan stated - the day we are no longer a nation under God, is the day we as a nation have gone under.....
firebirdhome 5 months ago
@firebirdhome Ronald Reagan's Alzheimer's was starting to kick in then, as I recall.
bjggjb 1 week ago
I like the sound of that state.
BOSSrevival 1 year ago
@BOSSrevival You are no different with Joseph Stalin and those butchers before him. Slaughter all that disagree with the state. The state IS the religion.
RacerXGTO 1 year ago
@RacerXGTO - Stalin and modern China are Atheism in power examples, and butchery is the rule. Let's compare to the US/Canada where you are free to worship anything you believe or NOT believe, and you will not be killed... I like the nations founded on Christian laws first - no they need not be labelled Christian nations, but all the founding was on their principles, even freedom to those who believe nothing....
firebirdhome 5 months ago
Don't look now, bright-eyes, but there's an anti-democratic zeitgeist going on here and nobody does shite about it. What do you think people are going to say about you?
grewntd 1 year ago
people in the 60s were fuckin stupid.
badmudda 1 year ago
i saw this on tv last night so i dont even need to watch this
grassboarder3001 1 year ago
@grassboarder3001 then dont. we wont miss you.
montelee 1 year ago
@montelee who wont miss me? hmmmm? no one will but im pretty sure someone somewhere will miss me in the dark corners of the twilight zone (theme song)
grassboarder3001 1 year ago
I have a question to anyone: Is God evil?
conkpit 1 year ago
@conkpit Answer: Read the Bible. Decide for yourself.
montelee 1 year ago
@montelee Sorry, I'm not into fiction.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
@ScaryGuy255 Then why ask a question about a "fictional" charecter? And what does it matter if He is or isnt if you dont believe?
montelee 1 year ago
@montelee I think you're confusing me with the other guy. I just made a statement on a youtube video that seems to be critical of atheists, of which I am one.
ScaryGuy255 1 year ago
@ScaryGuy255 sorry,meant conkpit
montelee 1 year ago
@montelee response to your post
montelee 1 year ago
@conkpit He's worse then Satan.
ganados0 10 months ago
@ganados0 How are you so assure of your belief? You must know what evil is...
conkpit 10 months ago
@conkpit Some argue God in the old testament did alot worse then Satan though usually in the context of a joke.
For us mortals evil works around pain and suffering though is subjective like a doctor snapping a brocken bone into place will cause a moments suffering but ultimately it's for the good of the patient.
ganados0 10 months ago
@ganados0 So, you believe in God and Satan?
conkpit 10 months ago
@conkpit No.
ganados0 10 months ago
Atheism = License to kill
Alexknowsbezt 1 year ago
@Alexknowsbezt - now that is a clear definition. Well said....
firebirdhome 5 months ago
Religion=root of all evil
phatlittlepiggy 1 year ago
@phatlittlepiggy ZEALOUS attachment to religion is the root of all evil.
ShadowCrowX 1 year ago
twilight zone is so awsome.
commando2224 1 year ago
That kind of reminds me of what the christians did to try to convert people back in the middle ages. ;)
Interesting they made a man of god a librarian.
TheKittengoddess 1 year ago
In The Name of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
11:(7) He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!"
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
If you don't believe in God, then you better hope you're right!
deathlyvenom 1 year ago
@deathlyvenom hahahahahahahaha
badmudda 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@deathlyvenom - If there were a God, It surely would not condemn people for not believing It existed, given It provides no evidence.
Timmybear 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@deathlyvenom you are pathetic.
spgabester 1 year ago
You realize, of course, that it could go the other way; that an atheist stands up to a Christian, fascist government.
toolongforyoutoread6 1 year ago 2
Why didn't the Chancellor just jump out the window? They were only on the second floor!
monsta64 1 year ago
Just shows you how Religion fucks with peoples heads if let loose in society.
Alank950 1 year ago
This is how all us Atheist dress.
Khyrid 1 year ago
rod serling suggests you try oasis cigarettes at the end
longfootbuddy 1 year ago
we will all be obsolete as individuals if the governement is allowed to continue on its path
longfootbuddy 1 year ago 3
The title is misleading.
LLLookAtYouHacker 1 year ago 21
@LLLookAtYouHacker That's because it's incorrect, it's actually called The Obsolete Man.
tepids 1 year ago
@tepids
Exactly.
LLLookAtYouHacker 1 year ago
The media has 2 words for society... BRAIN WASH!
whoismareo 1 year ago
It is neither pro-religion or anti-relgion
It is anti-fascism
Luigigeneral 1 year ago 4
AMERIKA IN ESSENCE AND ALL HER LEADERS
KILLBETTV 1 year ago
and that's how the 'GOD THEOREM' is sold effectively....
p.s: Was there a Geeta or a Koran available there, in case somebody who believes in alternate form of god is declared obsolete??
dryogi1982 1 year ago
One of my favorite actors and episodes. Thanks for posting. Today its the NCSE and Eugenie Scott's of the world who stands at the podium.
benthemiester 1 year ago
This is like saying that there are no atheists in foxholes. The story writer and actors were all Christians.
I loved the zombie scene at the end. OH, and the cigarette commerical as well. Especially considering he died of a series of heart attacks.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago 2
@foringjar612 yes, it's not supporting theism itself, just noting how ideologies restrict our understanding of the world.
anthonythirteen 1 year ago
@anthonythirteen Even though it does not support it, i think they had the right view on what a christian is supposed to be, because the guy locked him in the room and read the word of god, but instead of condemning the man who did not believe he forgave him and said "In the name of god i will let you out.", Christians, if they follow god do not attack other people because of beliefs but show love.
meeene4 1 year ago
Curiously edited to a third of the episode's length, could have had more impact in whole, I don't know; yet the plug for the Menthol Mist of an Honest Smoke like Oasis Cigarettes ("for those who pay the tab") remains intact...
CrashingCrockery 1 year ago
It is a good representation of religion, threaten and intimidate someone with death until they believe, that is how most religions work.
l337pwnage 1 year ago
ABSOLUTE BRILLIANCE!!! One of my favorite Episodes. Nothing on TV even comes remotely close today. Rod Sterling was an incredible writer. The good ol USA is heading to this kind of godless state worshipping socialist country. Im glad I`ll be dead and gone then. Thanks for posting!!
coolanddark 1 year ago
... Can't really tell if it's pro religion or pro non religion
firehop3 1 year ago
@firehop3
That's what makes it such a great episode ... no preaching, from either side.
:-)
MrsNorris55 1 year ago
Regardless of the originally intended pro-religion message, it seems to me the lessons here are:
1) When forced to confront the fallacy of his beliefs, the average religious nut will resort to terrorism (holding another against his will under danger of death until he comes around to your way of thinking) and blowing himself up rather than accept logic and reason.
2) Religious nonsense is indeed a virus that spreads to those who are most succeptible to its false promises.
SakimoriX 1 year ago
@SakimoriX I don't know that it was intended to be pro-religion as much as it is anti-atheist or more specifically anti-communist. One of the central themes that I got out of it, is that, there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.
I'm curious how you think you know what the "average religious nut/person" would do? In what way was the person in this video confronted with any fallacy? Is religion the nonsense that is a virus, or is it atheism?
Humbler25 1 year ago 2
@SakimoriX WHo was the religious nut? The 'terrorist' or the Chancellor that represents a state that tells others what they can't believe in? By 'logic & reason' I assume that you mean 'science' - and its false promises? After all, the 'religious nut' lets The Chancellor go.
anthonythirteen 1 year ago 2
@anthonythirteen Very insightful comment. Let me add this: Both religion and scientific materialistic atheism (and the academia that indoctrinates that ideology via so-called education, and via mass media) are each memetic in nature. Each offers a total world view, each claims to hold the keys to absolute truth, and each has no room for the other in their view of the universe. Are you familiar with the term/concept known as weltanschauungskrieg? Both are part of how it works, so invisibly,..
SororThothma 1 year ago
@SororThothma No I'm not familiar - although my very bad German translates it as something equivalent 'war of worlds': of course 'welt' in the sense of world view (weltanshauung) rather than HG Wells. Interestingly, Islam had a tradition of 'critical questioning' which is somewhat hidden now. Similarly, Martin Luther asked more penetrating questions of Christianity than Dawkins, so there can be enlightenment in theism & aethism, although both tend to be used to obscure
anthonythirteen 1 year ago
their is factual evidence of the existence of god and jesus many of the stories are true. its not pulled out of a hat
seriousskillz 1 year ago
@seriousskillz
I wouldn't suppose you have some of this great factual evidence?
TLpwns 1 year ago
@TLpwns There are some things in this universe that can't be proven with factual evidence, or at least isn't meant to be proven. I can't prove to you God exists, and in the same way you can't prove to me that He doesn't. Just think, if there is no God, I will not need worry because I've tried to lead a good life based on my faith in Him. But if He does exists, those who deny His existence will be in for quite a surprise when they meet Him.
cyberceltic 1 year ago
@cyberceltic
Believing in something because it can't be proven wrong. Thats horrible justification.
Let us turn the flying spaghetti monster, he can't be proven wrong why don't you believe in him? Come on he can't be proven wrong! That's worth wasting a life giving money and praying daily for!
TLpwns 1 year ago
@TLpwns ...."the fear of God IS the beginning of wisdom"! If you don't have the basic respect and understanding of God, and you think that He does not exist....you are worse than a fool!!!
drumminghunter 1 year ago
@drumminghunter God is a homicidal maniac who demands that we worship him or he'll punish us in some way even though he looooooooooves us so much. Thank God (lol) that he doesn't exist or people like me would be dead by now!!!
PirateEyepatch 1 year ago
@PirateEyepatch: you know that's how humans think. Human's view of god=Human thinking.
Shinigami88X1 1 year ago
@cyberceltic what if God exists but it's not the god you particularly worship. What if it's a God who demands that you pour tomato sauce on your head and go "oogah oogah oogah" or if you don't you'll be boiled in oil for eternity? What then? Will you still come out on top? Nope. you'll be burning in oil and wishing you had purchased more Ragu instead of kneeling before some stupid plaster statue of a half-naked idiot nailed to a cross.
PirateEyepatch 1 year ago
@PirateEyepatch I can't fully explain God or faith, nor can anyone. All I can do is choose what to do with the time I'm given. With that time I choose to live a moral life. I'm NOT saying I'm better than you, I'm sure you're a good person. To me religion provides a guideline to living a good life. It's when it's twisted by one's own prejudice that it becomes lunacy. All I can say is live like it's your last day and take care of the people who love you. Or don't. In the end, it's your choice.
cyberceltic 1 year ago 14
@cyberceltic Nicely put.
Spartacus217 1 year ago
@cyberceltic You quote, "I can't fully explain God or faith, nor can anyone" Yet, you say when religion is twisted by one's own prejudice that it becomes lunacy. If no one (including you) can explain God or faith, then how is it that you can judge one's own religious prejudice as twisted and lunatic"? Do you not "explain" in your post that religion "provides a guideline to living a good life? If your philosophy is correct, I can assume your view of religion as a guide to living good is lunacy.
conkpit 1 year ago
@cyberceltic I can not save myself with imaginary words of salvation the politics that surround my temple are assisted by contenders to the throne. My belief is this , I am not here by accident. Beyond that I think transcends man's ability to understand.
wroischannel 2 weeks ago
@seriousskillz /watch?v=1r0lO5nFEBA
l337pwnage 1 year ago
Imagine George W. as the dictator--not such a difficult thing to do.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Reading the psalms depressed me as a child, no wonder people only ever quote the 23rd one. King David was really not in a good mood when he came up with that stuff.
The clip makes a good point though. Atheism fails when it forces itself on people. I have nothing but sympathy for the house-Christians and Buddhists in China, even though I don't share their supernatural beliefs. Freedom of thought ftw.
UnoriginallyInclined 1 year ago
@UnoriginallyInclined
Yeah, I happen to be an atheist- but the cool thing about Rod Serling is you know this episode wasn't a direct attack against atheism- the same message would have gotten across and mean the game thing to him had the roles been reversed. I love Unitarians :D!
EatMyPwn 1 year ago
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@EatMyPwn
True that, I'm sure somewhere in the Twilight Zone religious people are being evil too. And maybe a few religious zealots were momentarily put in an atheist's shoes when they saw that episode. Rod Sterling seems so much like George Orwell sometimes, in a "you'd better hope this shit doesn't happen someday" kind of way.
UnoriginallyInclined 1 year ago
All of these comments are OBSOLETE... even this one
chosen788 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 using your "logic" you are saying "something has no proof and evidence so therefore it exists".
streetz23 1 year ago
so this is about christian suicide bomber?
Sosarian 1 year ago
Do no Christians see the irony in the fact that this vid depicts exactly how almost every religion-controlled state in history has ever been?
sam51092 1 year ago
@ Humbler25, but let us get into further conversation. How do you define God?
streetz23 1 year ago
The God debate shouldn't last a long time.
It's based on the realization that a God is based on belief.
It cannot be proven because it's a belief, a faith.
If it cannot be proven then it doesn't exist.
streetz23 1 year ago
with all due respect... streetz... that is an argument from ignorance and a logical fallacy
Humbler25 1 year ago
really, would you like to explain?
streetz23 1 year ago
Streetz, The argument from ignorance is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is false only because it has not been proven true. Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ignorance doesn't make you correct. Your argument is invalid.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25, well once you admit it's a belief then there's no way for you to prove it.
streetz23 1 year ago
@ Humbler25, that applies to faith as well.
streetz23 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 my argument isn't based on ignorance rather it's based on the fact that you cannot prove there is a God (hence belief/faith). On that basis, I can conclude a God doesn't exist because it's not possible to prove it.
streetz23 1 year ago
that is the very definition of an argument from ignorance. just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. a persons ignorance doesn't disprove anything. look up the term, you are comitting a logical fallacy.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 then how do you know if something exists or not?
Using your logic, you can't prove the boogeyman or mother goose exists so that doesn't mean they don't exist.
streetz23 1 year ago
streetz, perhaps you need to review the argument from ignorance... do a simple search and you will see the error in your logic. You can't say something doesn't exist because it can't be proven to exist... your ignorance cannot be used to prove or disprove anything.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 anything in existence can be proven. Its clear that it is you who has an error in logic.
streetz23 1 year ago
Streetz, it is a logical fallacy to say that anything doesn't exist due to lack of evidence, because that is an argument stemming from your own ignorance. Your ignorance doesn't prove anything.
No one can say aliens don't exist, simply because there isn't any proof that they do exist. That is a fallacy of logic. A fallacy that you have made about God. You need to rethink your logic because it is seriously flawed.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 You cannot say something exists with certainty without any evidence.
streetz23 1 year ago
steetz, I didn't say that... I was merely calling you on a logical fallacy where you said "if it can't be proven than it doesn't exist" that is the very definition of arguing from ignorance. Your ignorance regarding potential evidence and lack of ability to prove something doesn't disprove anything.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 right, but what I'm saying is anything that is existing can be proven by observance with using ones senses (sight, smell, taste, etc). A belief is on the contrary. You cannot observe it because there is no evidence. If there is evidence for a belief, then it wouldn't be a belief! Yet that is the basis of God, a belief!
streetz23 1 year ago
my point was that lack of evidence doesn't disprove anything. Just because you can'st see it, smell it, or taste it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People used to think germs didn't exist either because they couldn't see them, smell them, or taste them. People didn't know anything about germs. Does that mean germs were proven to have not existed? Or is it true that they were there all along, peoples ignorance doesn't disprove germs, aliens, or anything else.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@Humbler25 but people didn't believe in germs, they were discovered. ironically you are using belief to prove something. the belief that one day God will be proven. You are missing the very basic definition of belief.
streetz23 1 year ago
@Humbler25 the basis of non-existence is on the absolute absence of proof and evidence. I can't say mother goose exists because there is absolutely no proof! Yet people can choose to believe.
Understand?
streetz23 1 year ago
streetz, I haven't been arguing that anything exists... I've been arguing against your horrible logic in saying that something doesn't exist because it hasn't been proven to exist which is the very definition of arguing from ignorance.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25, are you not reading my comments? It's not that it hasn't been proven, its because it can NEVER be proven. The idea of God in itself is a fallacy, a contradiction.
An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent that cannot control the freewill of humans limits the very foundation of what defines God.
You cannot have total control (which is God) simultaneously exist with free will. It's one or the other and obviously because atheists exist, it's obvious that we have freewill.
streetz23 1 year ago
streetz, sure I've been reading your comments and marveling at your continued use of logical fallacies without even realizing it. Your ability to prove something doesn't mean that, that something doesn't exist. Your ignorance doesn't disprove anything. Using logical fallacies makes your argument invalid.
Your trying to get into theology... what is the point of debating theology or anything else with someone who uses logical fallacies.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@Humbler25 if you can never (not possible) prove something then that something does not exist.
streetz23 1 year ago
@Humbler25 "streetz, I haven't been arguing that anything exists..." ironically you are arguing something exists. Because you are disagreeing with my arguement that a God CANNOT exist, meaning you are saying a God DOES exist. LOL, you and you accuse me for being illogical? You can't even pick up on your own contradictions.
streetz23 1 year ago
no, I haven't said anything exists or doesn't, all I've been doing is pointing out your basing arguments off of your ignorance. Look up the term argument from ignorance, it's a logical fallacy, look it up and you will cede the point that you have been comitting that fallacy and as such, your argument is invalid. Aliens can't be proven to exist, does that mean they don't exist? of course not, our ignorance regarding alien life doesn't disprove anything. Your ignorance doesn't disprove God either
Humbler25 1 year ago
@Humbler25 Within the definition of argument from ignorance, I have to create an emphasis on "has not been proven true" which means it leaves the possibility of it being proven in the future. But I commit no fallacy because I recognize that there is no possibility of God existing.
streetz23 1 year ago
the problem streetz with your logic... is that you are basing no possibility of God existing, on not being able to prove that God exists. Not being able to prove something doesn't mean that something doesn't exist, which is how you have comitted the fallacy.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 I don't base it on "not being able to prove that God exists" because that is on an individual level which you are saying that merely I cant prove.
I base it on the fact that nobody can prove it because nobody can prove something that is based on contradictions.
streetz23 1 year ago
@Humbler25 also, it's impossible to prove (and therefore, exist) because the idea of God has no solid basis. It's groundless.
streetz23 1 year ago
What you are saying is that the only things that exist are what is possible to prove. Do you have all knowledge? I didn't think so, without all knowledge you can't say something doesn't exist just because it can't be proven. Using your logic, I guess we can say we know aliens don't exist since it is impossible to prove. Or, we can say aliens might exist even though we can't scientifically prove they do, along with other things as well.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 you do not need all knowledge to know something doesn't exist. I never said aliens cannot be proven. Aliens do not have the same exact characteristics as God.
streetz23 1 year ago
true streetz, but aliens can't be scientifically proven either... along with other things that might exist. So, following your thinking, one could say that aliens don't exist due to lack of proof. (which of course would be a fallacy) Or, you could come to your senses and admit that things might exist... even if we can't scientifically prove they exist.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@Humbler25 I understand that some things that haven't been proven can exist.
it's just that they better have a solid definition with no contradictions to reality.
streetz23 1 year ago
well, great streetz... we have made progress
Humbler25 1 year ago
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TheTrooper115SFS 1 year ago
@Humbler25 So you do know that there is an equal chance of dwarfs,elves,orcs,ogres,... existing as there is of god?..why not believe in them then?Because someone wrote a book 2010 years ago? Knowing that those men couldn't explain much then, they put something divine because they did not understand...yet even though as you can see this you remain truthful to their beliefs,even though the Christian god contradicts himself in some things...for example, how can an omnipotent god allow the
McMilan95 1 year ago
@McMilan95 existence of hell,devils,demons, and all bad things.... an omnipotent god that loves all no matter what should not even allow them to be punished for the shortest amount of time... let alone an eternity.
McMilan95 1 year ago
@McMilan95 not true, your trying to compare earthly things with heavenly things and that comparison doesn't work. BTW only part of the book was written 2010 years ago - some parts were written much before that and some parts several years after. The book of which you speak is really a compilation of different books. I don't see how that is a contradiction... how do you know what an omnipotent God would choose to allow?
Humbler25 1 year ago
@Humbler25 If I say that an elf is divine I could use most of your arguments for god,all except that there isn't a book on him from 2010 years ago(or in that period).And you're book telling you that there is an omnipotent god says that he loves all no matter what with a divine love,thats unlimited or something like that...so thats the contradiction,not to mention many things that aren't logical in it.
A god that's omnipotent and loves to that extent would do what I said...
McMilan95 1 year ago
@McMilan95 what arguments have I made for god? where does it say that god loves all no matter what? besides if people desire a life apart from god, and hell is completely void of god... than he would just be giving people what they want - an eternity apart from him... for someone who doesn't believe in god, its funny how you seem to think you know what he would or wouldnt do.
Humbler25 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 The belief in a God is just that a belief. A belief can NEVER be proven. That's why it can't be used to verify the existence of something.
streetz23 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 can you not see the irony? You cannot use belief to verify something. It's as simple as that.
streetz23 1 year ago
@ Humbler25 if you can prove God then please do so, but oh that's right it would ruin the idea of faith which is written in your sacred texts.
streetz23 1 year ago
Sigh...this tired old argument yet again.
mairsil 1 year ago
flyingscience, when people leave out God from own lies, God leaves them to be on their own... with all the consequences.
slaffkas 1 year ago
I think all you should shut the fuck up.
Sincerely, The Agnostic.
EliteBeast 1 year ago
Ahha.... very constructive argument of yours.
slaffkas 1 year ago
skips THE BEST PARTS!!!!
JaySkuh 1 year ago
great episode. YOU ARE OBSOLETE!
hah. i dont mean to be a geek but the episode is just called the obsolete man.
mandeepants 2 years ago
It seems that those bible versus would make anyone an atheist .A big smart God would say something far wittier .
flyingscience 2 years ago
@flyingscience those verses were written by David
Humbler25 2 years ago 2
What is missing in the 10 commandments should make anyone worried god isnt there .Thou shall not rape .Thou shall not abuse .Nations shall not go to war etc. etc.
flyingscience 2 years ago
@flyingscience have you read the first four commandments?
Humbler25 2 years ago
Skeptical and proud to be .How Could God leave out rape or child abuse .
flyingscience 2 years ago
@flyingscience I would argue that he didn't... it says do not commit adultery. Which Jesus expanded on by saying that you even look at a person with lust than you commited adultery in your heart. If just thoughts break that commandment so would rape.
Humbler25 2 years ago
I dig the Oasis plug
Jquuest 2 years ago
this is such a bad caricature of atheists. a typical assumption by ignorant believers is that we would be as bad as Saudi Arabia . ironically the worst countrys are theocracys.
Staff7 2 years ago
@Staff7
They're not just depicting religion beliefs,
it's about dictatorship and fascist society, they get rid of everyone who thinks different from what they imposed.
jeg622 2 years ago
I think this video shows the saying that there is no such thing as an atheist in a fox hole.
Humbler25 2 years ago
That's not an argument against atheists, it's an argument against foxholes. :P
PrimusGladius 2 years ago 2
It's interesting also, in this episode, that a 'man of god' uses a tool of science to attempt murder, namely a bomb.
Frankly, this episode is disturbing and wrong on so many levels. What's the moral here? What was Rod Serling trying to say?
Putting aside that a man was going to commit murder for religion, it was such a completely pointless murder. Killing the controller guy would not change the system that condemned the religious man. It was just personal revenge. Stupid revenge.
genericmeatunit 2 years ago
hunter4hire THE GOD DANM YEANDERFALLS IDIOT AND NO THERE WAS NOT RELIGION IN THE BEGINING
AND RELIGION IS BECOMING OBSOLETE LESS AND LESS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CHURCH
and besides its all BULL and its fake there can not be a being with all power only devine beings controlling portions
like dementional gate masters or intellegent particals so your wrong
and religion is a useless tool for greed and murder
micprn 2 years ago
yaay suicide bombers.....
Caddy666 2 years ago
Yeah, Oasis is great. If you haven't tried it already, I strongly recommend it.
willyupshaw 2 years ago
what the hell?
REBEL2250 2 years ago
Christianity is not a myth and is not obsolete
Atheism is a religion of self worship
zylermarkhartman 2 years ago
Christianity is not a myth? So the Earth really is flat and the Sun orbits the Earth like the bible says? Not! Atheism isn't a religion. You might want to open a dictionary sometime.
atheisthandbook 2 years ago
The bible actualy states that the earth is round, and that the earth revolves around the sun. Do your homework, becouse you baseless knowledge is loughable.
hunter4hire 2 years ago 2
hunter4hire,
Actually the bible states the Eartg is a flat "circle". And it states the Sun orbits the Earth, and that the Earth is a mere 6,000 years old. You might want to learn to actually read your bible before quoting it.
animation3dfx 2 years ago
It really doesn't. It says stuff that is now misinterpreted, based on prior knowledge, by desperate christians..
Triundi 2 years ago
No it doesnt!!!!
Thats why Galileo was condemned
Thereb are many proofs that God doesnt exist - people just dont wat to believe them
luarionte 2 years ago