that's hilarious, the zealot pilot's all surrendering and the BB pilot's talking tough
Blackbird strategy I learned when I used to fly one a lot: never fly a blackbird unless you have 2 more of them fitted out within 3-4 jumps. Good Blackbird strategy revolves around dying and coming back in another ship XD
whats with beam lasers as well - if he'd had pulse on with the 3 damage mod setup and max skills even a 1600mm plate wouldn't of kept that BB alive long enough to get another jam.
Yeah but a falcons tank is its abilty to permajam everything that moves, you dont need armour reps and 1600mm plates, 3 SDA II's in the lows and your laughing...
Ok, #1. Blackbird is a Caldari ship, caldari do shields. It just is.
No armor rep, shield booster.
#2. No race specific modules, those were just multispectrals. Blackbirds are meant for fleet ops, where they don't have to fit a tackle or sometimes a shield booster and can concentrate solely on the ewar. Four racials and (two?) multispectrals make for a nasty ewar ship that doesn't cost all that much (good fit around 10mil)
well done captain obvious for stating that the BB is cally, you need your med slots for EWAR an mwd and maybe a SeBo leaving no room for a Shield booster, so sticking a large plate in the lows to avoid being insta popped is quite common
@kingfasa Noooo... the fail here is he has an active tank rather than a buffer.. and on an ewar ship, an armor buffer is the best; you can fill the mediums with ewar, and you buffer the armor to ensure you can survive another cycle.
All jammerships are paperthin, as seen in this vid.....
My scorp is rigged for jammerstrength and range, I use 4 torps and 2 heavy NOS(SB if I know my opponent is a dronecarrier), MWD, capboosters, sensorbooster, 4 racespecific jammers and an ECM-burst in the medslots. DCU, BCU and 2 jamstrengthenhancers(forgot the name of them :/)in the loslots
Combined jamstrength w drones and racespecific jammers: 23+
Permajam, NOS and torpdamage can ruin anyones day :)
Fortunately for me and any other battleship pilot, you're wrong.
The 23+ you got from drones and race jammers and ECM bursts do NOT stack that way.
Jamming works by comparing the target ship's sensor strength with the jamming strength of your ECM. If a battleship has 26, and you use an ECM or something with 13, you will have a 50% chance to jam. If you have a higher jam strength than the opponent's sensor strength, he will have a small chance to resist but still a chance.
Thanks for that information, Rageos... If the 4 racespecific jammers are all of the race of the ship i wanna kill, would that change anything? A new jam-cycle would start every 5 seconds... You obviously know a bit about this :)
Yes, that would greatly increase the chances of jamming. It would be almost 95% to jam a battleship without any ECCM. It would change the first three checks of the list I mentioned earlier to:
Check 1: 11.09 vs 23
Check 2: 11.09 vs 23
Check 3: 11.09 vs 23
So with just three racial jammers that match the targets race, you would have a 50% chance three times to jam him each cycle. (flip a coin three times, if heads once, he is jammed by those three) and the fourth stays the same.
If you have 4 racial ECM, one ECM burst and heavy ECM drones, you will jam a battleship 78% of the time with ALL level 5 skills. During that 22% you will be torn apart to a new degree of understanding.
Yes, I know that together the numbers stack to over 23 BUT they don't go all at the same time do they? It works like this, assuming you have all level 5 skills.
CONTINUED SCORPION VS HYPERION Check 1: 3.69 vs 23 Check 2: 3.69 vs 23 Check 3: 3.69 vs 23 Check 4: 11.09 vs 23 Check 5: 9 vs 23 Check 6: 2 vs 23 Check 7: 2 vs 23 Check 8: 2 vs 23 Check 9: 2 vs 23 Check 10: 2 vs 23 1 through 4 are the racial jammers. 5 is the ECM burst. 6 to 10 are the heavy ECM drones.
the blackbird was doing a pretty good job. Tough luck, with 4 ECM's, it might've kept up the jamming cycles. 4 ECM's 1 disrupter, 1 cap recharger for permarun, 1 mwd just in case.
Why is a BB in pulse laser range of a zealot in the first place? Ewar should be sitting 60-180km out laughing as their tackler buddy takes down the target which is completely helpless from the jamming.
Was that a hull rep I saw on the BB? Yeah... well, hopefully he learned from it.
the zealot is a fantastic ship, i fly an omen atm because i havent got the sustinance to get another zealot should i lose one, but any true jamming ships with exception to a tanked scorp, are paper thin, with no resists and its only tank being an armor rep, anything will drop like a lead balloon against a zealot, once you get a lock, jammers are just stupid easy to kill
once you get a lock, jammers are just stupid easy to kill, once you get a lock and your tackle on a falcon, rook, and sometimes scorps, and they dont get a re jam, theyre dead. ECCM backup arrays can be a good tool
was in a plated gankrax, against a moa, taranis and a BB, managed to get a lock on the BB and droned him while the others where trying to shoot me, it popped within 2 seconds, then i point and webbed the ranis, droned that and just popped the moa before he could warp, jammers are a pain in the arse, but are paper thin, thats why if i decide to go into jamming (im naturally caldari) ill get a falcon, epic range for jammers is a good safety net incase they manage to get a lock
You still play EvE? !! Bad fitting yes indeed or dont? he was with another pal so if he is fitted with one thing and the other complements .. THat is a good fleet fiting..!! And btw HAC > cruiser (for that is maded) Of course in gang fights.. HAC > crusier stills.. ! but thats depend of the gang way to act
one thing i gotta say. the rook kicks arse. end of. get locked by a rook when on ur own and in anything non-capital that cant nonstop run its tank. and you die. the inability to lock and fire back is something that makes even the toughest battleships vulnerable to recon ships and other jamming vessels.
The way i see it this could easy be blackbird t1 cruiser this guy is driving based on 4 hi slots and 6 meds. Now even if he DID hide passive his fit for this cruiser is totaly WRONG and i agree with ret2life. Now if this is not blackbird i still would say that his fitting sux ,setup is total wrong!!!!!!!!
Now lemme give you few tips why his fit was wrong. If you are jammer (i use jamming too since i am caldari) you need fast LOCK ,as faster you lock you will faster jamm target ,now cloak has a penalty on locking time so it is not logic to put that kind of item on that kind of ship...
Second thing ,if you are going to be a JAMMING ship you need to know your role. So fit as many jammers as possible. They can be multispectral or individual for each rase.This guy fitted 3 jammers and like scrambler ,web?!?! For scrambler and web you should have small frig or inty to do the job not cruiser...Final conclusion this guy who was flying this cruiser was not very experienced pilot....Hiding passive slots play no significant role to this bad fit.
This guy had a bad fit ,you are right Returned2Life!!!!
And bb is great ship for gang operations ,i cannot fly one since i am Minmatar ,but i were screwed by one bb near amamake about 3 month ago. I could just watch my ship goes down,there were 1 bb ,and 2 af on my cyclone , i had no chance to nos those frigs due to jamming and neither my drones were operational.I could only watch my 40 million property go down...
return2life thats not even a BB he's in and ill tell u now a bb drops like a sack of crap if its jamming fails which happens from time to time and within 10 seconds ud be in ur pod. convo Mazzazuri in game im from Snowy ill show u wot i mean
J0rzeh i used to drive it in fleet fights ,escorting the freighter and in camps. I never SAID that blackbird can win the zealot or any assault cruiser 1 on 1?! BUT i say that in gang or fleet fights BB can make zealot sitting duck. And yes ,they screw ecm jammers in revelation patch since everyone started using jammers ,i even sow guys in assault frigs with multispectral jammers.
I do not want to make my self smart-pants i just told this dude that he had a wrong fit for jamming.Patch did ruined jamming ,but skillful pilots in scorpion ,rook or in falcon are still very dangerous ,and are still considered first targets. So i say BB is still ok ship for tech 1 cruiser if you know how to handle/use it....
yes you can hide em you click the arrow at the bottom and click hide passive, if you dont know what passive means its like a I-stab or something of the sort
i am a pilot of blackbird and it can make zealot sittin duck ,pretty nasty for t1 cruiser ,anyway dude no offence but ur setup SUX ,no wonder you died ,cloak ? on bb ? than only 3x jammers ? and nothin on low slots ? heh mate no wonder you died no offence....
If i would face zealot 1 on 1 i would DIE. That is not point ,this guy attacked zealot with more than 2 people. And in group with bb you die you want that admit or not that is fact.
I played with lot of people in rook - blackbird or with falcon lot of duels vs HAC, when i point jammers on him ,he can only watch. But 1 on 1 duelin is something totaly different, bb does not have tank and not enough firepower to destroy HaC any ship type. BB is for something totaly different what you do not understand....
I dont understand? Why do you continue to act like you know everything. Give me your damn character name and by the end of the night i will have the kill mail for you pod. :)
A BB with TP would be better used...cause it would help my bunghole for it is corn hole in cruiser all day long!!!
scion7 4 months ago
a armor BB? WTF?
scion7 4 months ago
The fail was trying to take on that ship and talking shit before he got the "kill" Otherwise props for posting a loss. Not many do that
frommishjr 6 months ago
lol even with ship bonus and good ewar skills the blackbird can fail alot on jam especialy with only 3 multispecs
mathewdelamere 1 year ago
bb means black bird which is a t1 cruiser with jammer bonuses.
the funnies part of this vid is the bb pilot talks shit in local then dies ><
"next time dont shoot at my corp mates"
"huh?"
-boom-
"omg :P"
"that sucked big time"
sonofaturdbucket 1 year ago
Nice Egg
DonE1899 1 year ago
PS: This video is from 2006 you dumbfucks, stop commenting on his fit unless you remember how the game worked back then.
verxintRising 1 year ago
And that my friend is called facerape.
verxintRising 1 year ago
no actually the bigger fail is that he kept all ECMs cycling ANd had no propr mod but whatever.
Marxxxfangurl69 1 year ago
that's hilarious, the zealot pilot's all surrendering and the BB pilot's talking tough
Blackbird strategy I learned when I used to fly one a lot: never fly a blackbird unless you have 2 more of them fitted out within 3-4 jumps. Good Blackbird strategy revolves around dying and coming back in another ship XD
Rynx214 1 year ago
LOL he says "That Sucked big time" lol noob
HunterOfShadows77 2 years ago
that looks like the mothership from homworld 2
thestrongestone 2 years ago
whats with beam lasers as well - if he'd had pulse on with the 3 damage mod setup and max skills even a 1600mm plate wouldn't of kept that BB alive long enough to get another jam.
themunster 2 years ago
thats 1600 mm plat would of saved him
roshawn1111 2 years ago
in this case, you are correct, because the zealot pilot is f'in retarded, and is already half dead
SargentandGreenLeaf 2 years ago
I believe it is the battleship that was the cameraman.
JOTRKID 2 years ago
it was a blackbird
Sargethepyromaniac 2 years ago
@JOTRKID why the fuck would a battleship have 3 amarr jams read the damn description
emoklan 1 year ago
LOL!
And yeh a 1600mm plate is always a good idea for if you miss a cycle
pheonex 2 years ago
Holy crap he just melted man f cap ship construction into a zealot it is for me.
AbbandonLOD 2 years ago
blaster falcon ftw,
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foxandhunter 2 years ago
Yeah but a falcons tank is its abilty to permajam everything that moves, you dont need armour reps and 1600mm plates, 3 SDA II's in the lows and your laughing...
cristoff666 2 years ago
you always fit a 1600mm plate on bb or any other ecm cruiser FYI
labartic 2 years ago
Ok, #1. Blackbird is a Caldari ship, caldari do shields. It just is.
No armor rep, shield booster.
#2. No race specific modules, those were just multispectrals. Blackbirds are meant for fleet ops, where they don't have to fit a tackle or sometimes a shield booster and can concentrate solely on the ewar. Four racials and (two?) multispectrals make for a nasty ewar ship that doesn't cost all that much (good fit around 10mil)
pongo691 2 years ago
he uses the extra med slots or loads better ECMing he's not looking to take damage
WonkeyWarthogWheel 2 years ago
Falcons should have a 1600mm plate on them for if they miss a cycle and or to take a few hits before warping out -
pheonex 2 years ago 2
well done captain obvious for stating that the BB is cally, you need your med slots for EWAR an mwd and maybe a SeBo leaving no room for a Shield booster, so sticking a large plate in the lows to avoid being insta popped is quite common
Sargethepyromaniac 2 years ago
noob
Annihilate3275 2 years ago
i love the maturity of your comment.
Sargethepyromaniac 2 years ago 8
caldari do shields. it just is huh? Wrong. fail. shows how much pvp u actually do. Go back to eve uni and learn something useful
kingfasa 2 years ago
@kingfasa Noooo... the fail here is he has an active tank rather than a buffer.. and on an ewar ship, an armor buffer is the best; you can fill the mediums with ewar, and you buffer the armor to ensure you can survive another cycle.
the666thmessiah 1 year ago
I love how you got your insurance mail when you were still in armor.
mariokartprime 2 years ago 9
All jammerships are paperthin, as seen in this vid.....
My scorp is rigged for jammerstrength and range, I use 4 torps and 2 heavy NOS(SB if I know my opponent is a dronecarrier), MWD, capboosters, sensorbooster, 4 racespecific jammers and an ECM-burst in the medslots. DCU, BCU and 2 jamstrengthenhancers(forgot the name of them :/)in the loslots
Combined jamstrength w drones and racespecific jammers: 23+
Permajam, NOS and torpdamage can ruin anyones day :)
Scorpion = best soloship
Daggalor 3 years ago
Fortunately for me and any other battleship pilot, you're wrong.
The 23+ you got from drones and race jammers and ECM bursts do NOT stack that way.
Jamming works by comparing the target ship's sensor strength with the jamming strength of your ECM. If a battleship has 26, and you use an ECM or something with 13, you will have a 50% chance to jam. If you have a higher jam strength than the opponent's sensor strength, he will have a small chance to resist but still a chance.
Rageos 3 years ago
Thanks for that information, Rageos... If the 4 racespecific jammers are all of the race of the ship i wanna kill, would that change anything? A new jam-cycle would start every 5 seconds... You obviously know a bit about this :)
Daggalor 3 years ago
Yes, that would greatly increase the chances of jamming. It would be almost 95% to jam a battleship without any ECCM. It would change the first three checks of the list I mentioned earlier to:
Check 1: 11.09 vs 23
Check 2: 11.09 vs 23
Check 3: 11.09 vs 23
So with just three racial jammers that match the targets race, you would have a 50% chance three times to jam him each cycle. (flip a coin three times, if heads once, he is jammed by those three) and the fourth stays the same.
Rageos 3 years ago
I like it :)
Thanks again
Daggalor 3 years ago
CONTINUED
If you have 4 racial ECM, one ECM burst and heavy ECM drones, you will jam a battleship 78% of the time with ALL level 5 skills. During that 22% you will be torn apart to a new degree of understanding.
Yes, I know that together the numbers stack to over 23 BUT they don't go all at the same time do they? It works like this, assuming you have all level 5 skills.
SCORPION VS HYPERION
Check 1 3.69
Rageos 3 years ago
Rageos 3 years ago
you would also need a +5% grid implant to fit that, so it's not ideal.
rodneystar 3 years ago
If you refer to the fit i mentioned earlier, no. I have no such hardwirings. I still win every single 1 on 1 :)
Daggalor 3 years ago
drop a NOS for a neut to murder the cap of any inty that gets close to you
Sargethepyromaniac 3 years ago
hehe sux
i love the BB tho
best cruiser imho
TehRacooonODoom 4 years ago
the blackbird was doing a pretty good job. Tough luck, with 4 ECM's, it might've kept up the jamming cycles. 4 ECM's 1 disrupter, 1 cap recharger for permarun, 1 mwd just in case.
vietsage 4 years ago
Why is a BB in pulse laser range of a zealot in the first place? Ewar should be sitting 60-180km out laughing as their tackler buddy takes down the target which is completely helpless from the jamming.
Was that a hull rep I saw on the BB? Yeah... well, hopefully he learned from it.
Nachtgheist 4 years ago
You know you can move arount where the icon is? - Looking at when he turned it on I would assume it's actually an armour rep, not hull.
VanagibOtaku 4 years ago
Keep in mind Scorch can hit at almost 30km with pretty low skills (for tech 2 guns)
reapAX 3 years ago
With Focused Pulse and Sharpshooter 4 I only get 20kms optimal.
Crunchbite37 3 years ago
ha ha ha you dropped faster than a hookers knickers on pay day!!!! zealot rules tho!
TwilightPsychoBambi 4 years ago 2
the zealot is a fantastic ship, i fly an omen atm because i havent got the sustinance to get another zealot should i lose one, but any true jamming ships with exception to a tanked scorp, are paper thin, with no resists and its only tank being an armor rep, anything will drop like a lead balloon against a zealot, once you get a lock, jammers are just stupid easy to kill
Sargethepyromaniac 3 years ago
lol k go 1v1 a falcon and tell me how stupid easy it was to kill.
kbforme 3 years ago
once you get a lock, jammers are just stupid easy to kill, once you get a lock and your tackle on a falcon, rook, and sometimes scorps, and they dont get a re jam, theyre dead. ECCM backup arrays can be a good tool
Sargethepyromaniac 3 years ago
ya sry i didnt see what u meant b4, ya jammers have paper armor.
kbforme 3 years ago
was in a plated gankrax, against a moa, taranis and a BB, managed to get a lock on the BB and droned him while the others where trying to shoot me, it popped within 2 seconds, then i point and webbed the ranis, droned that and just popped the moa before he could warp, jammers are a pain in the arse, but are paper thin, thats why if i decide to go into jamming (im naturally caldari) ill get a falcon, epic range for jammers is a good safety net incase they manage to get a lock
Sargethepyromaniac 3 years ago
I'm not a hardcore Eve player, yet. But you got slapped!!
trondy89 4 years ago
O.o?
I want a Zealot now!
IseeSugar42 4 years ago
OMG he owned you so bad :| ^_^
boxajr 4 years ago 2
You still play EvE? !! Bad fitting yes indeed or dont? he was with another pal so if he is fitted with one thing and the other complements .. THat is a good fleet fiting..!! And btw HAC > cruiser (for that is maded) Of course in gang fights.. HAC > crusier stills.. ! but thats depend of the gang way to act
Sc0rphion 4 years ago
ENGLISH. Learn to speak it.
Ultimabong 4 years ago 5
pah fofs kill rooks quick
sanchos7meat7hat 4 years ago
one thing i gotta say. the rook kicks arse. end of. get locked by a rook when on ur own and in anything non-capital that cant nonstop run its tank. and you die. the inability to lock and fire back is something that makes even the toughest battleships vulnerable to recon ships and other jamming vessels.
rockstar8244 4 years ago
The way i see it this could easy be blackbird t1 cruiser this guy is driving based on 4 hi slots and 6 meds. Now even if he DID hide passive his fit for this cruiser is totaly WRONG and i agree with ret2life. Now if this is not blackbird i still would say that his fitting sux ,setup is total wrong!!!!!!!!
FllOGGER 4 years ago
Now lemme give you few tips why his fit was wrong. If you are jammer (i use jamming too since i am caldari) you need fast LOCK ,as faster you lock you will faster jamm target ,now cloak has a penalty on locking time so it is not logic to put that kind of item on that kind of ship...
FllOGGER 4 years ago
Second thing ,if you are going to be a JAMMING ship you need to know your role. So fit as many jammers as possible. They can be multispectral or individual for each rase.This guy fitted 3 jammers and like scrambler ,web?!?! For scrambler and web you should have small frig or inty to do the job not cruiser...Final conclusion this guy who was flying this cruiser was not very experienced pilot....Hiding passive slots play no significant role to this bad fit.
FllOGGER 4 years ago 3
you can indeed hide passive modules
Rammsteinite 4 years ago
This guy had a bad fit ,you are right Returned2Life!!!!
And bb is great ship for gang operations ,i cannot fly one since i am Minmatar ,but i were screwed by one bb near amamake about 3 month ago. I could just watch my ship goes down,there were 1 bb ,and 2 af on my cyclone , i had no chance to nos those frigs due to jamming and neither my drones were operational.I could only watch my 40 million property go down...
FllOGGER 5 years ago
return2life thats not even a BB he's in and ill tell u now a bb drops like a sack of crap if its jamming fails which happens from time to time and within 10 seconds ud be in ur pod. convo Mazzazuri in game im from Snowy ill show u wot i mean
j0rzeh 5 years ago
J0rzeh i used to drive it in fleet fights ,escorting the freighter and in camps. I never SAID that blackbird can win the zealot or any assault cruiser 1 on 1?! BUT i say that in gang or fleet fights BB can make zealot sitting duck. And yes ,they screw ecm jammers in revelation patch since everyone started using jammers ,i even sow guys in assault frigs with multispectral jammers.
returned2life 5 years ago 2
I do not want to make my self smart-pants i just told this dude that he had a wrong fit for jamming.Patch did ruined jamming ,but skillful pilots in scorpion ,rook or in falcon are still very dangerous ,and are still considered first targets. So i say BB is still ok ship for tech 1 cruiser if you know how to handle/use it....
returned2life 5 years ago
Zealot is a scary ship! :) I can't wait until I can fly a Vagabond, although my Jaguar is fun.
BlaznaznTerror 5 years ago
returned2life....Stop acting like you know everything... you obviously don't know that you can hide the passive slots. Heh
quantum64 5 years ago
You can hide passive slots if they are not USED ,if the slots are used you cannot hide them, so plz get off my back thank you !
returned2life 5 years ago
yes you can hide em you click the arrow at the bottom and click hide passive, if you dont know what passive means its like a I-stab or something of the sort
miztamikeSUSINO 5 years ago
You can hide a passive module that is online. don't troll the comments please
quantum64 4 years ago
i am a pilot of blackbird and it can make zealot sittin duck ,pretty nasty for t1 cruiser ,anyway dude no offence but ur setup SUX ,no wonder you died ,cloak ? on bb ? than only 3x jammers ? and nothin on low slots ? heh mate no wonder you died no offence....
returned2life 5 years ago
what is your character's name, maybe i should show you how a zealot will rape the shit out of you
miztamikeSUSINO 5 years ago
If i would face zealot 1 on 1 i would DIE. That is not point ,this guy attacked zealot with more than 2 people. And in group with bb you die you want that admit or not that is fact.
returned2life 5 years ago
I played with lot of people in rook - blackbird or with falcon lot of duels vs HAC, when i point jammers on him ,he can only watch. But 1 on 1 duelin is something totaly different, bb does not have tank and not enough firepower to destroy HaC any ship type. BB is for something totaly different what you do not understand....
returned2life 5 years ago
I dont understand? Why do you continue to act like you know everything. Give me your damn character name and by the end of the night i will have the kill mail for you pod. :)
miztamikeSUSINO 5 years ago
Sended you all my data from my character on ur tube message ,i want ur data plz ,thank you very much!
returned2life 5 years ago
honestly thats not surprising you attacked a zealot ffs it is one of the best for ofennce out there
KAILEINGOD 5 years ago
WTH....unlucky:D
slavar 5 years ago