Geert Wilders has the encouragement of the Zionist- Jews and Chsristans. He was welcomed by Jewish senagogues in Florida to spew his Anti-Islam. Imagine if a Neo-Nazi was invited in to a Mosques or a Church -- and the hypocritical reaction of the Media
@myyou1 Mr Wilders has his own counterparts in the Islamic world, and the synogogues that welcomed him have their counterparts in the mosques that encourage the vilification of Jews.
Both are wrong, but both sides are guilty of this sort of thing.
the Irish of today have only an slightly lower incarceration rate then they did in the 1800's (probably because they're the majority of the police force) , they still follow Catholicism, and still refuse to assimilate (i live near a neighborhood that is 87% Irish). The Irish of back then are the same people they are today but compared to blacks and the Muslim immigrants the Irish are mild-mannered, compared to Anglo-Saxon protestants the Irish are wild animals.
@kubaniski Compared to WASPs, the Irish are wild animals? Have you ever been to Leicester Square on a Saturday night? And you may have a different idea of "animalness" than I do. Look at the crime stats for Muslim immigrants to Canada and the US, then look at it for WASPs. Quite an eye-opener, no?
@Anekantavad sorry i was using a bit too much hyperbole, but there is a higher propensity for crime but the Irish as compared to WASPS. oh it goes without saying that the crime rates for muslim immigrants in the US are lower, but thee is a major difference between integration in the US than in European nations, In the US we have a do or die attitude to immigrants which gives them an incentive to become productive members of society. cont....
@Anekantavad ...In the US if you come to america and you cant support yourself or start causing trouble you have a good chance of being deported because despite what the neo-cons will tell you immigrants do not receive welfare in the US. While in Europe in the lands of the welfare state governments often immediately take the immigrant masses into their arms and turn them into perpetual wards of the state who have little incentive to support themselves. cont...
@Anekantavad i'm fine with Muslims immigrant coming to the US, as we are well adapted to taking in different groups of people. Although i am against immigration of non euros into Europe as the socialist societies do not do well in multi ethnic environments. Look at nations like Belgium which constantly lacks a government because of its ethnic disputes, and that's just between Europeans.
@kubaniski Well, I'm Canadian, and we have the same problem as Belgium: 2 dominant linguistic groups. We are also way more multiethnic than Belgium. Problems in Europe are IMO the result of narrowly-defined nationality (ie you can be Muslim and Canadian, but Muslim and European?), coupled with the economic demographic of the immigrants (poor & uneducated while those in N America are neither).
Is Canada "socialist"? Immigrants to extremely well here :-)
@Anekantavad lol, compared to most of Europe Canada is a capitalist dreamland, believe me i'm Polish. And there you have another good point as to why immigration to Europe is toughand not advised. To be Polish is a very narrow definition, it means to be of Polish birth rather then just born in Poland. It means Speaking Polish, acting Polish and looking Polish. In the village my girlfriend comes from the Tatars who have lived there for 300+ years are not considered Polish.
@Anekantavad my point about immigration into Europe is that because European nationhood is based on ethnic identity, Europ can not handle such transformations without the violence that we have seen only a few years ago in Yugoslava, the former soviet republics, the Basque conflict in Spain those are just the tip of the iceberg of inter-European ethnic conflicts. While the the US & Canada are based on ideas and economic rather then identity.
The Irish were oppressed by a foreign power. Very different from today's immigration where the immigrants are not coming from environments where it is Illegal for them to improve themselves. More Irish would have stayed in Ireland if it were possible to make Ireland better for themselves there. The Irish DID take up arms, DID fight even with very little. UNLIKE the relationship that current immigrants have to their homelands. THE IRISH CAME LEGALLY!
I don't think you are financially rich, but you fight the corner of the wealthy and corporates. They cash in while paying a pittance to a growing underclass: the unskilled of the mass immigration. This growing underclass is taught to hate the host nation's working class by the corporates, who make sure they pay out as little as possible. You are unable to think critically and don't have the confidence to entertain an unfashionable perspective: you are poor. Dirt poor and weak; shame on you.
@BasilBrushFanClub Well, simple economics creates an underclass. If living on the fringe in Brussels or Athens is better than life in Egypt or Kurdistan, guess what's going to happen ....
@Anekantavad Wrong: simple economics does not necessarily create an underclass. You have sidestepped my point, that is that by keeping "workers" as if on a drip and spinning the tired line "they do the jobs the locals refuse to do", the losers are working class locals and the unskilled migrants; guess who the winners are. I get the impression that you are dogmatically sticking to a flawed premise and will readily spout rote excuses without thinking about what you're actually saying.
@BasilBrushFanClub "I get the impression that you are dogmatically sticking to a flawed premise and will readily spout rote excuses without thinking about what you're actually saying."
You get all that from a 5min video and a few comments?
If anti-racist immigrant placement programs like the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society have such a deep, abiding, anti-racist love for people of color, then why doesn't Israel open up its gates to 3rd World Multiculturalism and Diversity? Why is Israel's Immigration Policy ethnic-Jewish-only? Why does the Palestinian minority have to live in segregated neighborhoods and attend segregated schools? Why is interracial marriage illegal in Israel? Furthermore, why no black people in Israel? Or Hispanics
I'm from Ireland myself, and I see lots of people from here have a "they are taking our jobs" type attitude. I'd like to say 100% of these times I speak up and say something, but 100% would be inaccurate. Most times, by a long shot, though, I do.
Can't stand prejudice, ignorance, racism, jingoism, et cetera. Ireland is by no means jingoistic, but a lot of prejudice is to be found here.
Funny how you mentioned Manchester because at the same time so many Irish went to the americas almost the same amount came to live in Manchester (england) and london. In london the are still pockets of Irish people who have been there for generations and have not lost the accent which when I came across this first hand I found amazing.
Funny how the “Melting Pot” agenda is being pushed in EVERY white nation on the face of planet earth.
No one says “Japan” needs to become a “Melting Pot”.
No one says China, Africa, Mexico, Haiti, or Israel should be deluged with massive random, foreign populations to demonstrate how “moral” they are, or to “enrich” their sorely lacking culture.
It’s a program to eliminate white people from existence, plain and simple.
@miavaso In the 1200's when the Shipetar first started arriving (thanks to Mariant) in south-western Serbia (Albania now), the Serbs allowed them in because they were mostly shepards and farmers and were welcome for that reason. It was however banned to intermarry with them, or to try to assimilate them, which was a grave mistake because there were roughly only 300,000 at the time. It was simply seen as UNNATURAL. They are NOT us. Full stop. They can talk like us and think they are, but aren't.
People like to travel and be tourists, the is true, but no group of people have a "tradition" of migrating. Simply untrue. Italians, Greeks and others migrated because their homelands were destroyed by Germanic hoards and local geniuses who 'looked after them'. European countries today are being deliberately exposed to multiculturalism in order to wipe homogeneous nations and establish a "European" one. I understand some Arabs need a place to live... but... we need our land too, and it's ours...
@miavaso There is nothing wrong with these people that are coming, they are simply different. The problem is that we are having to change our society to suit them, when it should be the other way around, completely. I do realize that they do make a adjustment, but they need to make a COMPLETE adjustment, which they CANT because they are NOT what we are, nor should they have to attempt to be.
@miavaso I was referring the 19th and 20thC emigration. Every country in Europe has a diaspora in the New World or the SW Pacific, and every European country is proud of their diasporae, and like the fact that they usually at least keep cultural links. This is what I am pointing out when I express my amazement at European dislike of immigrants while at the same time celebrating their emigrants.
@Anekantavad New World is the New World, founded and built up by Europeans. European countries are the homelands of the European races. Ground zero. Chinese also have a diaspora in the New World. But they have a China too, 98.2 percent Chinese, 99.9 percent yellow Mongoloid Asian.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't think it's fair to call Sacco and Vanzetti terrorists... I can give you Czolgosz, but no one is too sure about Sacco and Vanzetti. Also, though this isn't a contest, I'd like to say that you Europeans have nothing on the Chinese, who were literally (and very specifically) excluded because of their race. Here's hoping nothing similar happens to those from Moslem-majority countries...
@SgtSanchez Heh heh ... I knew I'd catch it for S & V. I was going to put "terrorists" instead of terrorists, but as Czolgosz actually was a terrorist, I was hung :-) Mea culpa.
And of course there were Exclusion Acts designed to keep Chinese out. In Canada there were also lots of hidden barriers to Indians, Africans, and even Jews from immigrating to Canada (although the latter generally managed to settle without as much of a fuss as the former).
Xenophobia helps reinforce existing "inside" traditions and cultures. These traditional cultures, if kept stagnating, bring about very little social change, and as a result, become obstacles for those seeking to make great social change.
Whoa whoa whoa! You never told me you're part Irish. Look I've got nothing against the Irish, but I think we all know how "they" are. I mean I'm ok with Muslims coming into the country but Irish? Just keep your potato picking freckle fingers out of ol' Lady Liberty you dirty mick.
When greedy companies are finished using immigrants they will toss them aside leaving it up to the state to take care of them and the tax payer will pick up the bill.Take a look around Ireland now where you have a huge amount of homelessness,mainly eastern Europeans and especially Poles.It was great during the celtic tiger but as soon as the party ended they joined the sprawling dole queues.These Poles were quite skilled so where does that leave other unskilled immigrants from outside Europe.
to replace those that are Irish with eastern Europeans but they went to their unions and complained.They got to keep their jobs.Even if there are those who are on welfare and are unwilling to work they should be forced to work in whatever job they can get otherwise their welfare payments should be cut or stopped.That would make more economic sense don't you think?
I say we should take in immigrants from the far east who actually are willing to contribute to Europe and who are no problem.Chinese immigrants are a good example since in Germany they are found to be 10% more productive than even the Germans.Muslims seem to be the least productive who are the least likely to work,be overrepressented on welfare and commit the most crime.
If I were you I'd keep out the Irish. I mean, look what they did to my country in the late 19thC!
Oops! I mean .... look what we did to it, like building the railways, digging the canals, policing the streets, mining the gold and hewing the wood - not to mention filling the ranks of the army and merchant marine.
@Anekantavad Most Europeans always had a good work ethic,well maybe except Greeks.All I'm saying is why doesn't Europe take in people from countries like the far east who have a strong work ethic and are no problem to intigrate.Europe seems to invite the least skilled,most religiously backward with a low work ethic adding to the social and economic problems.Modern economies can't wait 50 to a 100 years for people to eventually integrate.They need people to contribute now.
@Anekantavad I have no problem with the parts of peoples culture that involve festivals etc.You know exactly the type of integration I am talking about.You can't build a modern economy if you have a growing minority who choose to isolate themselves,choose not to work or demand that society and European values like freedom of speech change to suit them.It will never work and will lead to violence in the long run.You will eventually see the Balkanization of Europe
Dude you think YOU have a problem with the Irish? You should see THIS place! Those fuckers are literally EVERYWHERE. Breeding like RATS. This place sure isn't what it used to b... wait... er ... ;-) - excellent vid. And I bet that if Mr. Wilders looks back far enough he can find one of his own ancestors migrating to Venlo hoping for a not too hostile reception.
It's an extremely common pattern in history, and you're right that it usually (always?) works out eventually. But couldn't people know this and yet still prefer to minimize the short and medium term problems immigration from poorer counties typically brings? They do tend to last longer than a human lifespan, and as far as I can tell the problems only start fading after the heaviest immigration stops.
@AKASquared Whenever one set of problems gets solved, a bunch more appear. That goes for social problems, and yes, time generally is all that's needed. I'll speak out against xenophobes and "immigration hypocrites", but as you point out the problems are real enough and they have to be addressed.
Luckily, we have the past to guide us in this way. At least we now know what not to do.
They do, but there are better problem and worse problems. As somebody else noted, the alternative problem is a shortage of workers, which might be worse. I don't know. (Aubrey de Grey can't work fast enough.)
People tend to adopt any argument or attitude that supports their position, so if they see problems from immigrants who haven't adjusted yet, racism starts to look better. Or if they hate racism, they pretend not to see some of what's going on. Cognitive biases suck.
@AKASquared i might disagree, looking at the western demographic problem, if they did not have migrants, the population would already be decreasing now. A healthy economy needs a wide base of working people to support social welfare. When you start to have 30 percent of the population above 60 years old which isn't too far off. The state will not be able to afford paying for the retired people hence the need for migrants.
@JulianThePhilosopher And this is happening everywhere there is an increase in prosperity. 2 months ago in Indonesia there was a mild stir when an Indonesia migrant worker in Taiwan was forced by her Chinese employer to eat pork. Many Indonesians work as nannies, dishwashers, and janitors in Taiwan, HK and the Gulf States, and they are often treated far worse than migrants to Europe.
@Anekantavad Ya becuase taiwan is pretty homogenous like japan/korea. So i do not think they have an understanding of other cultures/religions. There are many indonesians as well as filipinos working overseas. This really is not about europeans. But Europe and north america are lucky because they can get a steady stream of migrants. In the future as latin america/N africa progress i doubt there will be very many migrants. So the west might have to raise retirement or cut welfare.
@JulianThePhilosopher ''A healthy economy needs a wide base of working people to support social welfare''It does but this doesn't work when you import low skilled workers who are unable to find work or don't want to work.Immigration is actually costing Europe money.For example a report out in the Netherlands found that immigration costs the Netherlands 6 billion a year.25 billion leaves the EU every year sent abroad to families of immigrants.Who's paying for who?
@DeathDestroyer101 I am very much afraid that Julian is right. From an economic point of view, immigration makes perfect sense. It's simple supply and demand. Labour shortages mean lost economic potential, and a stagnant or decreasing population means trouble down the road in terms of health care and pensions for an aging population. Toss out all the Muslim nurses, factory and restaurant workers, shopkeepers and nannies and watch what happens.
@DeathDestroyer101 This is an excellent arguement for skilled immigration and i'm all for it. But i think the chinese do have quite a bit of traid activity. In holland. there is 14k from hong kong and ah gong from singapore who did a bit of narcotics trading even though by traid law it is banned.
@Anekantavad ''Europe has enough skilled workers. It's the less-skilled ones that are in short supply''Ye that's why the unemplyment rate in some European countries stands at over 10% and a lot of these unskilled workers end up on welfare as soon a their short term low skilled job ends.Why should Europe continue to take in low skilled workers when there are plenty of those who have no skills on unemployment who are well capable of doing these jobs?
@DeathDestroyer101 Sorry. Europe is a net importer of labour. If the street-sweeping and table-waiting jobs are vacant, it has more to do with European pickiness than anything else.
@Anekantavad That argument is a load of rubbish thrown around by the middle class who don't live in the real world.As you know I live in an area where people are mainly employed doing low skilled jobs and are more than willing to do them.My mother for example is 65 with arthritis yet she still goes to work every day as a cleaner.It's the greedy corporations who put out that rubbish so they can take advantage of immigrants and keep wages low.A few months ago her employers tries to (con)
@JulianThePhilosopher The Irish in particular loved the flamboyant gangsters that literally battled their way out of the slums. That doesn't mean that such people weren't sociopathic criminals. They were "our" criminals, and that made their crimes a little less sinister somehow.
Canada has a long history of hostility to immigration, and it continues to this day. Far be it from me to say otherwise.
Oh you are always so deliciously devious :) I keep repeating myself with this on so many different videos, but it's so easy to just live in the here and now and forget the past. Every single person on this planet for the most part is born on "immigrants". The only difference is the length of time which as passed for each.
We might as well be telling everyone to just go the fuck home back to Africa.
@Anekantavad Exactly, though I'd take it further and say we all were invaders at some time or another. Those who we call "Native Americans" aren't necessarily native... they've just been here longer. The histories of Africa and Europe are especially full of conquering, invasions and all sorts of crazy shit.
I laugh at the cries of "We were here first!" It's insanely funny when you truly think about it.
@Anekantavad Or alternatively the west could opt for the japanese policy of no immigration. At the cost of economic preformance. They rather not have cultural dilution, i guess that is the way of the samurai. But you really can't have your pie and eat it. U can't have generous social welfare with and aging population. People are living longer due to improvements in medical science.
@JulianThePhilosopher Policy of no immigration? Well, if that's what they want to do it's their country. But that's a guaranteed way of falling by the wayside economically, culturally and politically. As far as politically, I am quite certain the Europeans are content to see the initiative pass to Europe and China. Economically and culturally, I am not so sure. Europeans love their arts and creature comforts :-)
@kubaniski
Geert Wilders has the encouragement of the Zionist- Jews and Chsristans. He was welcomed by Jewish senagogues in Florida to spew his Anti-Islam. Imagine if a Neo-Nazi was invited in to a Mosques or a Church -- and the hypocritical reaction of the Media
myyou1 1 month ago
@myyou1 Mr Wilders has his own counterparts in the Islamic world, and the synogogues that welcomed him have their counterparts in the mosques that encourage the vilification of Jews.
Both are wrong, but both sides are guilty of this sort of thing.
:-)
Anekantavad 1 month ago
the Irish of today have only an slightly lower incarceration rate then they did in the 1800's (probably because they're the majority of the police force) , they still follow Catholicism, and still refuse to assimilate (i live near a neighborhood that is 87% Irish). The Irish of back then are the same people they are today but compared to blacks and the Muslim immigrants the Irish are mild-mannered, compared to Anglo-Saxon protestants the Irish are wild animals.
kubaniski 8 months ago
@kubaniski Compared to WASPs, the Irish are wild animals? Have you ever been to Leicester Square on a Saturday night? And you may have a different idea of "animalness" than I do. Look at the crime stats for Muslim immigrants to Canada and the US, then look at it for WASPs. Quite an eye-opener, no?
Anekantavad 8 months ago
@Anekantavad sorry i was using a bit too much hyperbole, but there is a higher propensity for crime but the Irish as compared to WASPS. oh it goes without saying that the crime rates for muslim immigrants in the US are lower, but thee is a major difference between integration in the US than in European nations, In the US we have a do or die attitude to immigrants which gives them an incentive to become productive members of society. cont....
kubaniski 8 months ago
@Anekantavad ...In the US if you come to america and you cant support yourself or start causing trouble you have a good chance of being deported because despite what the neo-cons will tell you immigrants do not receive welfare in the US. While in Europe in the lands of the welfare state governments often immediately take the immigrant masses into their arms and turn them into perpetual wards of the state who have little incentive to support themselves. cont...
kubaniski 8 months ago
@Anekantavad i'm fine with Muslims immigrant coming to the US, as we are well adapted to taking in different groups of people. Although i am against immigration of non euros into Europe as the socialist societies do not do well in multi ethnic environments. Look at nations like Belgium which constantly lacks a government because of its ethnic disputes, and that's just between Europeans.
kubaniski 8 months ago
@kubaniski Well, I'm Canadian, and we have the same problem as Belgium: 2 dominant linguistic groups. We are also way more multiethnic than Belgium. Problems in Europe are IMO the result of narrowly-defined nationality (ie you can be Muslim and Canadian, but Muslim and European?), coupled with the economic demographic of the immigrants (poor & uneducated while those in N America are neither).
Is Canada "socialist"? Immigrants to extremely well here :-)
Anekantavad 8 months ago
@Anekantavad lol, compared to most of Europe Canada is a capitalist dreamland, believe me i'm Polish. And there you have another good point as to why immigration to Europe is toughand not advised. To be Polish is a very narrow definition, it means to be of Polish birth rather then just born in Poland. It means Speaking Polish, acting Polish and looking Polish. In the village my girlfriend comes from the Tatars who have lived there for 300+ years are not considered Polish.
kubaniski 8 months ago
@kubaniski Not to mention all the Jewish people in Greece who are not considered Greek, the Roma in Slovakia who are not considered Slovaks ... etc.
Anekantavad 8 months ago
@Anekantavad my point about immigration into Europe is that because European nationhood is based on ethnic identity, Europ can not handle such transformations without the violence that we have seen only a few years ago in Yugoslava, the former soviet republics, the Basque conflict in Spain those are just the tip of the iceberg of inter-European ethnic conflicts. While the the US & Canada are based on ideas and economic rather then identity.
kubaniski 8 months ago
@Anekantavad
Bigoted!
myyou1 1 month ago
@myyou1
That was in reply to "kubaniski "[whose post appeared just below yours] -- using the term "Animal" describing the Irish.
I clicked on the wrong "Post"
I appologize!
myyou1 1 month ago
Irish culture didn't tell them to not integrate, Moslem culture does.
Irish culture didn't tell them to kill infidels and innocent, Moslem culture does.
Irish culture didn't tell them to rape and kill women, Moslem culture does.
Irish culture didn't tell them to disobeye the law, Moslem culture does.
Anekantavad, you #FAIL
sooperfukker 1 year ago
Go back to the bath house with your nonsense you sick freak.
TrouseredApes 1 year ago
@TrouseredApes And a good day to you too!
:-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
The Irish were oppressed by a foreign power. Very different from today's immigration where the immigrants are not coming from environments where it is Illegal for them to improve themselves. More Irish would have stayed in Ireland if it were possible to make Ireland better for themselves there. The Irish DID take up arms, DID fight even with very little. UNLIKE the relationship that current immigrants have to their homelands. THE IRISH CAME LEGALLY!
fforrett 1 year ago
@fforrett (yawn)
It's still the same thing/.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
I don't think you are financially rich, but you fight the corner of the wealthy and corporates. They cash in while paying a pittance to a growing underclass: the unskilled of the mass immigration. This growing underclass is taught to hate the host nation's working class by the corporates, who make sure they pay out as little as possible. You are unable to think critically and don't have the confidence to entertain an unfashionable perspective: you are poor. Dirt poor and weak; shame on you.
BasilBrushFanClub 1 year ago
@BasilBrushFanClub Well, simple economics creates an underclass. If living on the fringe in Brussels or Athens is better than life in Egypt or Kurdistan, guess what's going to happen ....
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad Wrong: simple economics does not necessarily create an underclass. You have sidestepped my point, that is that by keeping "workers" as if on a drip and spinning the tired line "they do the jobs the locals refuse to do", the losers are working class locals and the unskilled migrants; guess who the winners are. I get the impression that you are dogmatically sticking to a flawed premise and will readily spout rote excuses without thinking about what you're actually saying.
BasilBrushFanClub 1 year ago
@BasilBrushFanClub "I get the impression that you are dogmatically sticking to a flawed premise and will readily spout rote excuses without thinking about what you're actually saying."
You get all that from a 5min video and a few comments?
Impressive.
:-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
If anti-racist immigrant placement programs like the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society have such a deep, abiding, anti-racist love for people of color, then why doesn't Israel open up its gates to 3rd World Multiculturalism and Diversity? Why is Israel's Immigration Policy ethnic-Jewish-only? Why does the Palestinian minority have to live in segregated neighborhoods and attend segregated schools? Why is interracial marriage illegal in Israel? Furthermore, why no black people in Israel? Or Hispanics
MikeyMcCrashCap 1 year ago
@MikeyMcCrashCap What has this got to do with European immigration?
Anekantavad 1 year ago
I'm from Ireland myself, and I see lots of people from here have a "they are taking our jobs" type attitude. I'd like to say 100% of these times I speak up and say something, but 100% would be inaccurate. Most times, by a long shot, though, I do.
Can't stand prejudice, ignorance, racism, jingoism, et cetera. Ireland is by no means jingoistic, but a lot of prejudice is to be found here.
Pushtrak 1 year ago
Funny how you mentioned Manchester because at the same time so many Irish went to the americas almost the same amount came to live in Manchester (england) and london. In london the are still pockets of Irish people who have been there for generations and have not lost the accent which when I came across this first hand I found amazing.
insearchofsomthing 1 year ago
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Funny how the “Melting Pot” agenda is being pushed in EVERY white nation on the face of planet earth.
No one says “Japan” needs to become a “Melting Pot”.
No one says China, Africa, Mexico, Haiti, or Israel should be deluged with massive random, foreign populations to demonstrate how “moral” they are, or to “enrich” their sorely lacking culture.
It’s a program to eliminate white people from existence, plain and simple.
4MyNation 1 year ago
good video "up the irish"
Orwellianliving 1 year ago
@miavaso In the 1200's when the Shipetar first started arriving (thanks to Mariant) in south-western Serbia (Albania now), the Serbs allowed them in because they were mostly shepards and farmers and were welcome for that reason. It was however banned to intermarry with them, or to try to assimilate them, which was a grave mistake because there were roughly only 300,000 at the time. It was simply seen as UNNATURAL. They are NOT us. Full stop. They can talk like us and think they are, but aren't.
miavaso 1 year ago
People like to travel and be tourists, the is true, but no group of people have a "tradition" of migrating. Simply untrue. Italians, Greeks and others migrated because their homelands were destroyed by Germanic hoards and local geniuses who 'looked after them'. European countries today are being deliberately exposed to multiculturalism in order to wipe homogeneous nations and establish a "European" one. I understand some Arabs need a place to live... but... we need our land too, and it's ours...
miavaso 1 year ago 2
@miavaso There is nothing wrong with these people that are coming, they are simply different. The problem is that we are having to change our society to suit them, when it should be the other way around, completely. I do realize that they do make a adjustment, but they need to make a COMPLETE adjustment, which they CANT because they are NOT what we are, nor should they have to attempt to be.
miavaso 1 year ago
@miavaso I was referring the 19th and 20thC emigration. Every country in Europe has a diaspora in the New World or the SW Pacific, and every European country is proud of their diasporae, and like the fact that they usually at least keep cultural links. This is what I am pointing out when I express my amazement at European dislike of immigrants while at the same time celebrating their emigrants.
Do as I say, not as I do?
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad New World is the New World, founded and built up by Europeans. European countries are the homelands of the European races. Ground zero. Chinese also have a diaspora in the New World. But they have a China too, 98.2 percent Chinese, 99.9 percent yellow Mongoloid Asian.
miavaso 1 year ago
Whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't think it's fair to call Sacco and Vanzetti terrorists... I can give you Czolgosz, but no one is too sure about Sacco and Vanzetti. Also, though this isn't a contest, I'd like to say that you Europeans have nothing on the Chinese, who were literally (and very specifically) excluded because of their race. Here's hoping nothing similar happens to those from Moslem-majority countries...
SgtSanchez 1 year ago
@SgtSanchez Heh heh ... I knew I'd catch it for S & V. I was going to put "terrorists" instead of terrorists, but as Czolgosz actually was a terrorist, I was hung :-) Mea culpa.
And of course there were Exclusion Acts designed to keep Chinese out. In Canada there were also lots of hidden barriers to Indians, Africans, and even Jews from immigrating to Canada (although the latter generally managed to settle without as much of a fuss as the former).
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Xenophobia helps reinforce existing "inside" traditions and cultures. These traditional cultures, if kept stagnating, bring about very little social change, and as a result, become obstacles for those seeking to make great social change.
At least, that's how I see it.
justicetrooper 1 year ago
@justicetrooper Xenophobia breeds insularity in immigrants. Basic human nature.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad
And as a result it breeds an "us vs them" mindset.
justicetrooper 1 year ago
Very well said. Probably why i enjoy your videos so much.
WulFe799 1 year ago
@WulFe799 :-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
I am Irish. Well said and True.
vinchegue21 1 year ago
@vinchegue21 If my ancestors were assimilated, anyone can be :-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Whoa whoa whoa! You never told me you're part Irish. Look I've got nothing against the Irish, but I think we all know how "they" are. I mean I'm ok with Muslims coming into the country but Irish? Just keep your potato picking freckle fingers out of ol' Lady Liberty you dirty mick.
/satire
:)
whistlingdust 1 year ago
@whistlingdust Dreadful, isn't it? They'll let anybody in these days, won't they?
;-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
When greedy companies are finished using immigrants they will toss them aside leaving it up to the state to take care of them and the tax payer will pick up the bill.Take a look around Ireland now where you have a huge amount of homelessness,mainly eastern Europeans and especially Poles.It was great during the celtic tiger but as soon as the party ended they joined the sprawling dole queues.These Poles were quite skilled so where does that leave other unskilled immigrants from outside Europe.
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
to replace those that are Irish with eastern Europeans but they went to their unions and complained.They got to keep their jobs.Even if there are those who are on welfare and are unwilling to work they should be forced to work in whatever job they can get otherwise their welfare payments should be cut or stopped.That would make more economic sense don't you think?
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
Integrate*
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
I say we should take in immigrants from the far east who actually are willing to contribute to Europe and who are no problem.Chinese immigrants are a good example since in Germany they are found to be 10% more productive than even the Germans.Muslims seem to be the least productive who are the least likely to work,be overrepressented on welfare and commit the most crime.
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101
If I were you I'd keep out the Irish. I mean, look what they did to my country in the late 19thC!
Oops! I mean .... look what we did to it, like building the railways, digging the canals, policing the streets, mining the gold and hewing the wood - not to mention filling the ranks of the army and merchant marine.
Again, have we learnt nothing at all?
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad Most Europeans always had a good work ethic,well maybe except Greeks.All I'm saying is why doesn't Europe take in people from countries like the far east who have a strong work ethic and are no problem to intigrate.Europe seems to invite the least skilled,most religiously backward with a low work ethic adding to the social and economic problems.Modern economies can't wait 50 to a 100 years for people to eventually integrate.They need people to contribute now.
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 "Modern economies can't wait 50 to a 100 years for people to eventually integrate."
In Canada, the annual St Patty's Day parade is just an accepted part of the scene, as is Irish music.
Integration works both ways.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad I have no problem with the parts of peoples culture that involve festivals etc.You know exactly the type of integration I am talking about.You can't build a modern economy if you have a growing minority who choose to isolate themselves,choose not to work or demand that society and European values like freedom of speech change to suit them.It will never work and will lead to violence in the long run.You will eventually see the Balkanization of Europe
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 I'm afraid that the history of my country says otherwise. Sorry.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Dude you think YOU have a problem with the Irish? You should see THIS place! Those fuckers are literally EVERYWHERE. Breeding like RATS. This place sure isn't what it used to b... wait... er ... ;-) - excellent vid. And I bet that if Mr. Wilders looks back far enough he can find one of his own ancestors migrating to Venlo hoping for a not too hostile reception.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
@rozeboosje Heh heh ... I hear Mr Wilders' family tree may have one or two Indonesian Muslims in the woodpile :-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad that would be poetic justice indeed
rozeboosje 1 year ago
It's an extremely common pattern in history, and you're right that it usually (always?) works out eventually. But couldn't people know this and yet still prefer to minimize the short and medium term problems immigration from poorer counties typically brings? They do tend to last longer than a human lifespan, and as far as I can tell the problems only start fading after the heaviest immigration stops.
AKASquared 1 year ago
@AKASquared Whenever one set of problems gets solved, a bunch more appear. That goes for social problems, and yes, time generally is all that's needed. I'll speak out against xenophobes and "immigration hypocrites", but as you point out the problems are real enough and they have to be addressed.
Luckily, we have the past to guide us in this way. At least we now know what not to do.
:-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad
They do, but there are better problem and worse problems. As somebody else noted, the alternative problem is a shortage of workers, which might be worse. I don't know. (Aubrey de Grey can't work fast enough.)
People tend to adopt any argument or attitude that supports their position, so if they see problems from immigrants who haven't adjusted yet, racism starts to look better. Or if they hate racism, they pretend not to see some of what's going on. Cognitive biases suck.
AKASquared 1 year ago
@AKASquared i might disagree, looking at the western demographic problem, if they did not have migrants, the population would already be decreasing now. A healthy economy needs a wide base of working people to support social welfare. When you start to have 30 percent of the population above 60 years old which isn't too far off. The state will not be able to afford paying for the retired people hence the need for migrants.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher And this is happening everywhere there is an increase in prosperity. 2 months ago in Indonesia there was a mild stir when an Indonesia migrant worker in Taiwan was forced by her Chinese employer to eat pork. Many Indonesians work as nannies, dishwashers, and janitors in Taiwan, HK and the Gulf States, and they are often treated far worse than migrants to Europe.
This really isn't just about Europeans at all.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad Ya becuase taiwan is pretty homogenous like japan/korea. So i do not think they have an understanding of other cultures/religions. There are many indonesians as well as filipinos working overseas. This really is not about europeans. But Europe and north america are lucky because they can get a steady stream of migrants. In the future as latin america/N africa progress i doubt there will be very many migrants. So the west might have to raise retirement or cut welfare.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher ''A healthy economy needs a wide base of working people to support social welfare''It does but this doesn't work when you import low skilled workers who are unable to find work or don't want to work.Immigration is actually costing Europe money.For example a report out in the Netherlands found that immigration costs the Netherlands 6 billion a year.25 billion leaves the EU every year sent abroad to families of immigrants.Who's paying for who?
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 I am very much afraid that Julian is right. From an economic point of view, immigration makes perfect sense. It's simple supply and demand. Labour shortages mean lost economic potential, and a stagnant or decreasing population means trouble down the road in terms of health care and pensions for an aging population. Toss out all the Muslim nurses, factory and restaurant workers, shopkeepers and nannies and watch what happens.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 This is an excellent arguement for skilled immigration and i'm all for it. But i think the chinese do have quite a bit of traid activity. In holland. there is 14k from hong kong and ah gong from singapore who did a bit of narcotics trading even though by traid law it is banned.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher Europe has enough skilled workers. It's the less-skilled ones that are in short supply.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad ''Europe has enough skilled workers. It's the less-skilled ones that are in short supply''Ye that's why the unemplyment rate in some European countries stands at over 10% and a lot of these unskilled workers end up on welfare as soon a their short term low skilled job ends.Why should Europe continue to take in low skilled workers when there are plenty of those who have no skills on unemployment who are well capable of doing these jobs?
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
@DeathDestroyer101 Sorry. Europe is a net importer of labour. If the street-sweeping and table-waiting jobs are vacant, it has more to do with European pickiness than anything else.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad That argument is a load of rubbish thrown around by the middle class who don't live in the real world.As you know I live in an area where people are mainly employed doing low skilled jobs and are more than willing to do them.My mother for example is 65 with arthritis yet she still goes to work every day as a cleaner.It's the greedy corporations who put out that rubbish so they can take advantage of immigrants and keep wages low.A few months ago her employers tries to (con)
DeathDestroyer101 1 year ago
Lansky and luciano are pretty popular among the public during their time. =p I heard in 2008 they passed anti immigration law in quebec ?
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher The Irish in particular loved the flamboyant gangsters that literally battled their way out of the slums. That doesn't mean that such people weren't sociopathic criminals. They were "our" criminals, and that made their crimes a little less sinister somehow.
Canada has a long history of hostility to immigration, and it continues to this day. Far be it from me to say otherwise.
:-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Oh you are always so deliciously devious :) I keep repeating myself with this on so many different videos, but it's so easy to just live in the here and now and forget the past. Every single person on this planet for the most part is born on "immigrants". The only difference is the length of time which as passed for each.
We might as well be telling everyone to just go the fuck home back to Africa.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 Where I live, people are often heard to mutter about the Native Canadians. "It's an invasion!" they say.
Uhhhh ... we're the invasion :-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad Exactly, though I'd take it further and say we all were invaders at some time or another. Those who we call "Native Americans" aren't necessarily native... they've just been here longer. The histories of Africa and Europe are especially full of conquering, invasions and all sorts of crazy shit.
I laugh at the cries of "We were here first!" It's insanely funny when you truly think about it.
tattooskin72 1 year ago
@tattooskin72 Isn't it? Where do we draw the line?
Drawing an arbitrary line is, after all, all we are doing.
Anekantavad 1 year ago
@Anekantavad Or alternatively the west could opt for the japanese policy of no immigration. At the cost of economic preformance. They rather not have cultural dilution, i guess that is the way of the samurai. But you really can't have your pie and eat it. U can't have generous social welfare with and aging population. People are living longer due to improvements in medical science.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
@JulianThePhilosopher Policy of no immigration? Well, if that's what they want to do it's their country. But that's a guaranteed way of falling by the wayside economically, culturally and politically. As far as politically, I am quite certain the Europeans are content to see the initiative pass to Europe and China. Economically and culturally, I am not so sure. Europeans love their arts and creature comforts :-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago