@Undergroundhiphop1 Worst natural disasters,floods,hurricanes,droughts etc. Anyone with a pc can read it all.Don't need a source ,anybody who knows anything about history knows is all happened.All fact ,start studying just google it.
@Undergroundhiphop1 Your wrong, it is correct just have a look at the worlds climate history.I don't need science when i have historical fact,thats where your wrong again.
why is it then that the worst floods,hurricanes,droughts all happened before the 1900's????? surely with man made global warming we would have more severe weather events??
I think that this is completely irreversable.The damage is done and in coming years it will lead to worse storms and extremities of weather.Experts seem to think that if we stop our cars overnight and cease using electricity all will be well.You know damn well that cannot happen.It would take major political steps and power to stop people driving.I think the worst is yet to come.Nobody REALLY gives a damn or REALLY cares.life just goes on but a price to pay very soon you can bet your ass.
The geologist who made the comment below has his head in the sand.
One doesn't need to rely on climate models which are inaccurate because they don't take into account methane emissions, one only needs to look at events that have taken place, events which many scientists including Sir David King say are a result of global warming.
To find out what happens next, look up redskynews and download The Global Meltdown Domino Effect.
global warming does not exist....study your science! we have carbon levels at present roughly around 300-450ppm and they might go up to 600ppm in the next 50 years.......in the Cretaceous 65 Mya carbon level where at 3,000ppm and life thrived back then, why do you think we have huge oil fields they came from life that was around millions of years ago.... don't get brain washed think for yourself, all you corporate slaves need to chill out and take some magic mushroom's
the people who don't believe in global climate change are republicans, they just don't believe it b/c most of there money comes from the oil companys and if we try to make our planet greener, they just loose money
sure it might be happening on its own but people increase the effects by alot
@planetmeagher im a geologist, global warming doesn't exist, study your science look up the milankovitch cycle. basically climate can not be predicted accurately about a billion too many variables. your getting brain washed.
@0pocketpenis0 your full of bull shit, im a freakin geologist to, your just a damn rebublican who is getting brainwashed to think that its not happening. the republicans only want to get money from the oil companies so in turn they pass laws in favor of the oil companies that happen to be anti global climate change, and notice i didnt say GLOBAL WARMING i said GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE, so basically your comment was non sequitur, cause i also said GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE before, pretty smart geologist
as a complete non-expert id say that the climate has never had a fixed pattern and changes all the time ,has always changed ,will never stop changing ,change is what it does best. from citys under the ocean and coal etc my guess is that we've had worse days and there is always worser days to come , all we can do is just adapt, support each other as one unit , pointing fingers and blaming will just get us all extinct.
Well hopefully the CO2 we put into the atmosphere will kill enough people to cut down on the CO2 produced so the earth can get back to normal. We have too many damn people on this planet.
Lol yeah, in theory. Although ideally a bunch of smaller natural disasters would be better than one huge one. Super Volcanoes have been known to realllyy mess things up. We don't want an extinction event (although it seems that we're at the start of one right now) we just need a slimmer human population....
@Icix1 We are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction, every 20 mins 1 unique species is lost for ever. At no time in Earths history has extinction occurred at such an accelerated rate from the evidence we have to date.
Yes there are too many of us, we are approaching 7 billion, we cannot feed 7 billion even if we turn over rainforest's to become genetically modified deserts, that would only further disrupt the Eco system we rely on for our own survival.
@Kinkspace "There is plenty of room for 7 billion people. The size of Australia is 7,600,000 square kilometers. If the whole world moved to Australia, each man, woman and child would have 1,100 square meters of land, making a population density of 900 people per square kilometer. By comparison, the density of the City of Manila is 43,000 per square kilometer." (quote from The myth of overpopulation, by John Mangun)
@pepetruelo Eg: Existing wild habitats like the rain forest could be given over to become green genetically modified deserts giving higher yields and stripping the soil further of any remaining nutrients. Mankind would of created for themselves a new geological era, the Ermozoic, the Era of Solitude, where little remains on Earth but themselves & the prosthetic environment that keeps them alive Mankind’s own version of being in control of his own destiny is to create his own life support machine
Earth has a self regulating mechanism, so in turn the planet will evolve to become less supporting of human life. So all those that wanted control of your own destiny congratulations, at this point its all up to you, humans will even have to produce breathable air, cos nothing else will at that point.
@Kinkspace What percentage of the world is this “small band of habitability” you mention?
As for my understanding of sustainability, what I see is big corporations taking over nations and grabbing all the resources for themselves at the expense of the people’s social and economic stability.
It’s the imbalance in the distribution of wealth that’s causing so much trouble. Yes, human greed is at the core of the problem, but it’s at the corporate level that it really affects nature.
@pepetruelo I disagree with your analysis the core of the problem runs far deeper. Corporates are driven by consumerism, consumerism if fueled by greed. Everyone engaging in this paradisaical interaction has responsibility, I do not exclude my self although some of us do aspire to opting out when ever and where ever possible.
@pepetruelo You also misunderstood my earlier comet I was not referring to a % of the world, I was referring to the band of Eco system, ie: how much oxygen we need in the atmosphere, the necessary diversity bla bla bla, please re read it so we are on the same page at least.
@Kinkspace Forgive me if I can't keep up with you. You speek of a small band, therefore there must be a measure I can relate to.
As for the system fed by greed, I don't see how we disagree at all. Everyone has greed, but just a few have the power to direct that greed into enslaving the rest. A mouse isn't completely responsible for not being able to go anywhere on a mouse wheel.
@pepetruelo We are all responsible as it is the values of the majority that fuel the direction society takes. We can all contribute in our own way, you have heard the saying "a healthy family, a health country, a healthy world - all grow outward from a single person". We are all human, therefore all potentially have the failings and virtues of our species.
@pepetruelo What appears to be lacking is understanding and acceptance of the nature of the beast we are, knowing ourselves, then accommodating constructively that which we presently partake in resulting in negative outcomes. People are educated on many things but are generally pig ignorant at understanding their own basic needs and nature and how to constructively deal with the negative, preferring in stead to live in denial or blame cultures.
@pepetruelo With regards to the small bandwidth; The Eco system only needs to swing one way or the other for Earth to become uninhabitable for human life. Earth will continue, humans will be a thing of the past if the existing Eco system fails in such a respect that there is not enough oxygen, the food chain is interrupted etc It doesn't take much We almost became extinct once before around 120,000 yrs ago, estimates of population are as low as a few 1,000 from a few 100,000 in a short time span
@Kinkspace "We are all responsible as it is the values of the majority that fuel the direction society takes." Agreed, but values are being shaped by inescrupulous entities based on their own greed. For mere profit, modern societies are constantly bombarded with messages aimed precisely at moulding behaviour and manipulating consent. It was Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who mastered this and became the inventor of public relations. Again, most people are mice on a mouse wheel. Cont....
@Kinkspace “People r educated on many things but r generally pig ignorant at understanding their own basic needs & nature & how to constructively deal with the negative, preferring instead to live in denial or blame cultures.” Agreed. My personal experience is that overcoming human nature’s flaws belongs to the spiritual realm. Jesus said “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.” In other words, the way to be set free from this flawed flesh is to be born in the Spirit.
@Kinkspace Finally, I agree that the Eco system is far greater than mankind as regards as how mankind can affect it. And yes, man is responsible for the alteration of natural ecosystems. But the disasters that experts predcit are looming upon us are part of the same manipulation I mentioned before, because there is certainly some profit to be made out of it. Carbon Taxes, Climate Cops, Cap & Trade, etc.,are slowly but surely being imposed thanks to campaigns such as these.
@pepetruelo Lol That is a political economic argument that one could apply to anything. I am not a supporter of the existing economic political systems, they simply do not work, they have and will always tax behaviour. However this has not lead to society becoming more personally or collectively responsible, as you point out it simple causes resentment and makes a few very rich, it also has a history of not actually dealing with any of the issues it claims to be addressing, ...
@pepetruelo What you are referring to is as I said more to do with dissatisfaction with the ruling classes par se than carbon tax in isolation, therefore might I presume to suggest that rather than aiming at individual "campaigns" which in fairness you agree have validity aim at the root cause of the problem, and see if you can hit that target, I'll warn you its slippery ;)
It would help things immensely if we as a people did not buy into the propaganda and subjugation emitted by the ruling elite that divides us therefore enabling their rule. We all more or less want the same thing the world over, whatever creed or colour we may be.
@Kinkspace Well, to me there are two root causes to aim at: one is mankind's flawed nature, and the other one, as a consequence of the first, is the unfair system that has resulted of mankind ruling over itself. So far I think we agree. But I don't hold all humans equally responsible for carbon emissions, and I don't think the world is overpopulated. There's an imbalance caused and sustained by the ruling elite, who are in fact trying to reduce the world population. Cont...
@Kinkspace If people really believe that there needs to be less humans on earth, then they'll be more willing to accept policies to cleanse certain populations, probably those who have less "chances" of making it by their own means. Of course, no one thinks it will actually be them who they get rid of. In the end, the division you so rightly call to avoid is slowly but surely being imposed through campaigns such as these.
@pepetruelo Education is the answer to most of the issues we face today. Unfortunately it is not in the ruling elites interests to have educated slaves, preferring instead to indoctrinate and divide. I would not call informing the public of scientific evidence a campaign, unless you are the ruling elite in which case it would be the last thing you want.
@pepetruelo I think you need to understand in Europe we have already embraced alternative energy, wind farms, solar and hydro power have been and continue to be perused. There are many incentives to go green. Its part of our way of life here. The carbon tax on individuals is an American thing, mainly because when the rest of the world looked for and began to instigate alternatives the USA did nothing.
@pepetruelo There are alternative fuels, interestingly large US oil companies bought the rights and are sitting on them, so whilst I agree that the corporates and ruling elite see this as an opportunity to make more money and gain more power in the US, in the EU it is working in reverse, demand of the consumer is for cleaner air, renewable energy. In the EU this is not so much a campaign as accepted science of the past 20 years, the USA has a long way to go to catch up.
@pepetruelo Without some kind of levy there was no incentive for the dirty USA to partake in cleaner air projects, and European citizens and indeed others around the world got a tad pissed that we had to breath in the crap, and deal with pollution on many levels the US caused. We have a right to breath fresh air, the US does not have the right to pollute it.
@pepetruelo This is the foundation of carbon taxing, it boils down to the rights of man, and any that exploit this will be asked to pay. I would of thought Americans would understand this, in view of the legal system they have.
ie: he who spills the milk mops it up and pays damages.
@Kinkspace That's exactly what I'm saying! I'm all for alternative fuels and a responsible use of energy. The problem with the so called theory of "global warming", later conveniently renamed "climate change" is that it has never been 100% backed up by science. In fact, there are many well founded claims that anthropogenic global warming is a bluff. Why would someone want us to believe that bluff? Precisely for creating consent in cutting down population numbers.
@Kinkspace The "expert" in this video uses a figure of probability as all means of evidence (at least that's what the editors left in). It's a campaign that intends to keep up the idea that we are destroying our planet. It' believable because in many ways it's true, but when it comes to responsibilities, it's just a few who are doing the big damage. You say in Europe there's a greater consciousness toward a green life, and I believe you.... Cont...
@Kinkspace But let me give you an example of what I'm saying. Botnia is a Finnish cellulose plant working in Uruguay. The reason they're in Uruguay is that european laws forbid such plants to work in Europe, due to the environmental impact. But this hasn't prevented Botnia from crossing the Atlantic and setting it up somewhere else, where such laws don't exist. Are they not responsible?
theres 175 million people in pakistan..WTF..thats a lot of fuckin poor mothafuckas...at least half of them need to die...JUST PLAIN pathtic..so many of them ..
The climate expert's explanation: "If you were a betting person... 19 chances out of 20 humans are having a major impact on why we're seeing these records..."
Well most experts work within probabilities. There's no such thing as a certainty or a complete fact. There's always a possibility for error and a certain chance that this or that will probably happen. Most experts are smart enough to realize that nothing is for certain and to say without a doubt that it is this or that is totally wrong.
Just goes to show you that they have much more expertise than you do and there's a reason you will never be a climatologist.
@Icix1 Thank you for clarifying that for me. Now perhaps you could point at some clear facts that prove his point...?
Meanwhile, the news channel that put up this video could change its title to something less misleading, or add a link to a page containing the factual information that backs these claims.
Or are we supposed to believe everything the news says?
We human are responsible. By 2025, the whole population of the world is estimated to require two planets to sustain our current lifestyles. As I see it, the atrocious weather is just Mother Nature fighting back - and mark my words, SHE *WILL* WIN!
@robertghouston "Heaven and Earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs."
If humans disturb the balance of the earth they will be trampled on and toss aside.
Humanists who intensely dislike the Gaia theory as they believe as a species we are different, indeed elevated from all other species and in control of our own destiny.
"The truth is they fear and hate it because it means humans can never be anything other than straw dogs."
@Kinkspace I'm kind of a humanist... a humanist, in that I have no religious beliefs. I don't believe we are higher than any species... indeed, myriads of animal arguably do more for this planet and the human race than we do.
@robertghouston Then you are not entirely a humanist as you do see the bigger picture;) I was referring to those concerned only with human interests, who "believe" humans are in charge of their own destiny more so than any other species. This boils down to the salvation meme and nothing more, ie: the concept that one can escape the constraints of ones environment and ultimate outcome of natural order if one behaves this way or that, be that belief in science or religion.
@robertghouston One can be humanitarian, something I aspire to, but without having the belief that we are any more or less special than the next species, indeed I think it would be hard to be a humanitarian if one believed our species to be special, as those that do also are predisposed to having elitist beliefs within our own species, ie: some are more entitled than others.
Yes, he's right. humans are responsible. Humans like the ones flying those planes on covert missions to fill the skies with climate changing tropospheric aerosol sprays aka chemtrails.
I'm having a VERY hot summer here in finland...
pyromaanisi 7 months ago
@Undergroundhiphop1 Worst natural disasters,floods,hurricanes,droughts etc. Anyone with a pc can read it all.Don't need a source ,anybody who knows anything about history knows is all happened.All fact ,start studying just google it.
kadaitcha72 11 months ago
@Undergroundhiphop1 Your wrong, it is correct just have a look at the worlds climate history.I don't need science when i have historical fact,thats where your wrong again.
kadaitcha72 11 months ago
why is it then that the worst floods,hurricanes,droughts all happened before the 1900's????? surely with man made global warming we would have more severe weather events??
kadaitcha72 11 months ago
I think that this is completely irreversable.The damage is done and in coming years it will lead to worse storms and extremities of weather.Experts seem to think that if we stop our cars overnight and cease using electricity all will be well.You know damn well that cannot happen.It would take major political steps and power to stop people driving.I think the worst is yet to come.Nobody REALLY gives a damn or REALLY cares.life just goes on but a price to pay very soon you can bet your ass.
Pete
MultiSpanker 1 year ago
The geologist who made the comment below has his head in the sand.
One doesn't need to rely on climate models which are inaccurate because they don't take into account methane emissions, one only needs to look at events that have taken place, events which many scientists including Sir David King say are a result of global warming.
To find out what happens next, look up redskynews and download The Global Meltdown Domino Effect.
redsky 1 year ago
global warming does not exist....study your science! we have carbon levels at present roughly around 300-450ppm and they might go up to 600ppm in the next 50 years.......in the Cretaceous 65 Mya carbon level where at 3,000ppm and life thrived back then, why do you think we have huge oil fields they came from life that was around millions of years ago.... don't get brain washed think for yourself, all you corporate slaves need to chill out and take some magic mushroom's
0pocketpenis0 1 year ago
I'm not even gonna read the comments on this video because I know they will be incredibly stupid and make me lose even more faith in humanity.
IAMtheNewWorldOrder 1 year ago
The end is near Christ will return to rapture us May 21 2011
you tube family radio judgment day,cry out while there is time
glover29 1 year ago
This is somehow funny because we have drought in Country of Georgia since march.
scavenski 1 year ago
the people who don't believe in global climate change are republicans, they just don't believe it b/c most of there money comes from the oil companys and if we try to make our planet greener, they just loose money
sure it might be happening on its own but people increase the effects by alot
planetmeagher 1 year ago
@planetmeagher im a geologist, global warming doesn't exist, study your science look up the milankovitch cycle. basically climate can not be predicted accurately about a billion too many variables. your getting brain washed.
0pocketpenis0 1 year ago
@0pocketpenis0 your full of bull shit, im a freakin geologist to, your just a damn rebublican who is getting brainwashed to think that its not happening. the republicans only want to get money from the oil companies so in turn they pass laws in favor of the oil companies that happen to be anti global climate change, and notice i didnt say GLOBAL WARMING i said GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE, so basically your comment was non sequitur, cause i also said GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE before, pretty smart geologist
planetmeagher 3 months ago
ITS WEATHER WARS
xKILLurGODx 1 year ago
as a complete non-expert id say that the climate has never had a fixed pattern and changes all the time ,has always changed ,will never stop changing ,change is what it does best. from citys under the ocean and coal etc my guess is that we've had worse days and there is always worser days to come , all we can do is just adapt, support each other as one unit , pointing fingers and blaming will just get us all extinct.
mucker3001 1 year ago 2
@mucker3001 Leave it to the expert. Because you CLEARLY a NON - expert.
SaltineCrackaAss 1 year ago
Well hopefully the CO2 we put into the atmosphere will kill enough people to cut down on the CO2 produced so the earth can get back to normal. We have too many damn people on this planet.
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 The Yellowstone Caldera "supper volcano" is over due by 40,000 years, so it could blow any time, that should make a fare contribution.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
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Icix1 1 year ago
@Kinkspace
Lol yeah, in theory. Although ideally a bunch of smaller natural disasters would be better than one huge one. Super Volcanoes have been known to realllyy mess things up. We don't want an extinction event (although it seems that we're at the start of one right now) we just need a slimmer human population....
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 We are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction, every 20 mins 1 unique species is lost for ever. At no time in Earths history has extinction occurred at such an accelerated rate from the evidence we have to date.
Yes there are too many of us, we are approaching 7 billion, we cannot feed 7 billion even if we turn over rainforest's to become genetically modified deserts, that would only further disrupt the Eco system we rely on for our own survival.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace "There is plenty of room for 7 billion people. The size of Australia is 7,600,000 square kilometers. If the whole world moved to Australia, each man, woman and child would have 1,100 square meters of land, making a population density of 900 people per square kilometer. By comparison, the density of the City of Manila is 43,000 per square kilometer." (quote from The myth of overpopulation, by John Mangun)
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo Oh please you have no basic understanding of sustainability do you.
It is not about how many people one can build houses for it is about maintaining the Eco system we are dependent upon for our own survival.
As hardy as our species is, there is a very small band of habitability that we are able to survive in.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo Eg: Existing wild habitats like the rain forest could be given over to become green genetically modified deserts giving higher yields and stripping the soil further of any remaining nutrients. Mankind would of created for themselves a new geological era, the Ermozoic, the Era of Solitude, where little remains on Earth but themselves & the prosthetic environment that keeps them alive Mankind’s own version of being in control of his own destiny is to create his own life support machine
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo
Earth has a self regulating mechanism, so in turn the planet will evolve to become less supporting of human life. So all those that wanted control of your own destiny congratulations, at this point its all up to you, humans will even have to produce breathable air, cos nothing else will at that point.
Well done!
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace What percentage of the world is this “small band of habitability” you mention?
As for my understanding of sustainability, what I see is big corporations taking over nations and grabbing all the resources for themselves at the expense of the people’s social and economic stability.
It’s the imbalance in the distribution of wealth that’s causing so much trouble. Yes, human greed is at the core of the problem, but it’s at the corporate level that it really affects nature.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo I disagree with your analysis the core of the problem runs far deeper. Corporates are driven by consumerism, consumerism if fueled by greed. Everyone engaging in this paradisaical interaction has responsibility, I do not exclude my self although some of us do aspire to opting out when ever and where ever possible.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo You also misunderstood my earlier comet I was not referring to a % of the world, I was referring to the band of Eco system, ie: how much oxygen we need in the atmosphere, the necessary diversity bla bla bla, please re read it so we are on the same page at least.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace Forgive me if I can't keep up with you. You speek of a small band, therefore there must be a measure I can relate to.
As for the system fed by greed, I don't see how we disagree at all. Everyone has greed, but just a few have the power to direct that greed into enslaving the rest. A mouse isn't completely responsible for not being able to go anywhere on a mouse wheel.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo We are all responsible as it is the values of the majority that fuel the direction society takes. We can all contribute in our own way, you have heard the saying "a healthy family, a health country, a healthy world - all grow outward from a single person". We are all human, therefore all potentially have the failings and virtues of our species.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo What appears to be lacking is understanding and acceptance of the nature of the beast we are, knowing ourselves, then accommodating constructively that which we presently partake in resulting in negative outcomes. People are educated on many things but are generally pig ignorant at understanding their own basic needs and nature and how to constructively deal with the negative, preferring in stead to live in denial or blame cultures.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo With regards to the small bandwidth; The Eco system only needs to swing one way or the other for Earth to become uninhabitable for human life. Earth will continue, humans will be a thing of the past if the existing Eco system fails in such a respect that there is not enough oxygen, the food chain is interrupted etc It doesn't take much We almost became extinct once before around 120,000 yrs ago, estimates of population are as low as a few 1,000 from a few 100,000 in a short time span
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace "We are all responsible as it is the values of the majority that fuel the direction society takes." Agreed, but values are being shaped by inescrupulous entities based on their own greed. For mere profit, modern societies are constantly bombarded with messages aimed precisely at moulding behaviour and manipulating consent. It was Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, who mastered this and became the inventor of public relations. Again, most people are mice on a mouse wheel. Cont....
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@Kinkspace “People r educated on many things but r generally pig ignorant at understanding their own basic needs & nature & how to constructively deal with the negative, preferring instead to live in denial or blame cultures.” Agreed. My personal experience is that overcoming human nature’s flaws belongs to the spiritual realm. Jesus said “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.” In other words, the way to be set free from this flawed flesh is to be born in the Spirit.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@Kinkspace Finally, I agree that the Eco system is far greater than mankind as regards as how mankind can affect it. And yes, man is responsible for the alteration of natural ecosystems. But the disasters that experts predcit are looming upon us are part of the same manipulation I mentioned before, because there is certainly some profit to be made out of it. Carbon Taxes, Climate Cops, Cap & Trade, etc.,are slowly but surely being imposed thanks to campaigns such as these.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo Lol That is a political economic argument that one could apply to anything. I am not a supporter of the existing economic political systems, they simply do not work, they have and will always tax behaviour. However this has not lead to society becoming more personally or collectively responsible, as you point out it simple causes resentment and makes a few very rich, it also has a history of not actually dealing with any of the issues it claims to be addressing, ...
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo ie:
... the reason for the tax in the first place. But like I said this is not restricted to carbon tax it applies to all tax.
Individually you may wish to look at your carbon emissions and illuminate them wherever possible, hence, no tax.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo What you are referring to is as I said more to do with dissatisfaction with the ruling classes par se than carbon tax in isolation, therefore might I presume to suggest that rather than aiming at individual "campaigns" which in fairness you agree have validity aim at the root cause of the problem, and see if you can hit that target, I'll warn you its slippery ;)
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo
It would help things immensely if we as a people did not buy into the propaganda and subjugation emitted by the ruling elite that divides us therefore enabling their rule. We all more or less want the same thing the world over, whatever creed or colour we may be.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace Well, to me there are two root causes to aim at: one is mankind's flawed nature, and the other one, as a consequence of the first, is the unfair system that has resulted of mankind ruling over itself. So far I think we agree. But I don't hold all humans equally responsible for carbon emissions, and I don't think the world is overpopulated. There's an imbalance caused and sustained by the ruling elite, who are in fact trying to reduce the world population. Cont...
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@Kinkspace If people really believe that there needs to be less humans on earth, then they'll be more willing to accept policies to cleanse certain populations, probably those who have less "chances" of making it by their own means. Of course, no one thinks it will actually be them who they get rid of. In the end, the division you so rightly call to avoid is slowly but surely being imposed through campaigns such as these.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo Education is the answer to most of the issues we face today. Unfortunately it is not in the ruling elites interests to have educated slaves, preferring instead to indoctrinate and divide. I would not call informing the public of scientific evidence a campaign, unless you are the ruling elite in which case it would be the last thing you want.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo I think you need to understand in Europe we have already embraced alternative energy, wind farms, solar and hydro power have been and continue to be perused. There are many incentives to go green. Its part of our way of life here. The carbon tax on individuals is an American thing, mainly because when the rest of the world looked for and began to instigate alternatives the USA did nothing.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo There are alternative fuels, interestingly large US oil companies bought the rights and are sitting on them, so whilst I agree that the corporates and ruling elite see this as an opportunity to make more money and gain more power in the US, in the EU it is working in reverse, demand of the consumer is for cleaner air, renewable energy. In the EU this is not so much a campaign as accepted science of the past 20 years, the USA has a long way to go to catch up.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo Without some kind of levy there was no incentive for the dirty USA to partake in cleaner air projects, and European citizens and indeed others around the world got a tad pissed that we had to breath in the crap, and deal with pollution on many levels the US caused. We have a right to breath fresh air, the US does not have the right to pollute it.
cont...
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@pepetruelo This is the foundation of carbon taxing, it boils down to the rights of man, and any that exploit this will be asked to pay. I would of thought Americans would understand this, in view of the legal system they have.
ie: he who spills the milk mops it up and pays damages.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace That's exactly what I'm saying! I'm all for alternative fuels and a responsible use of energy. The problem with the so called theory of "global warming", later conveniently renamed "climate change" is that it has never been 100% backed up by science. In fact, there are many well founded claims that anthropogenic global warming is a bluff. Why would someone want us to believe that bluff? Precisely for creating consent in cutting down population numbers.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@Kinkspace The "expert" in this video uses a figure of probability as all means of evidence (at least that's what the editors left in). It's a campaign that intends to keep up the idea that we are destroying our planet. It' believable because in many ways it's true, but when it comes to responsibilities, it's just a few who are doing the big damage. You say in Europe there's a greater consciousness toward a green life, and I believe you.... Cont...
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@Kinkspace But let me give you an example of what I'm saying. Botnia is a Finnish cellulose plant working in Uruguay. The reason they're in Uruguay is that european laws forbid such plants to work in Europe, due to the environmental impact. But this hasn't prevented Botnia from crossing the Atlantic and setting it up somewhere else, where such laws don't exist. Are they not responsible?
pepetruelo 1 year ago
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@Icix1 When you say "we have too many damn people on this planet", could it be that you belong to a different species?
pepetruelo 1 year ago
theres 175 million people in pakistan..WTF..thats a lot of fuckin poor mothafuckas...at least half of them need to die...JUST PLAIN pathtic..so many of them ..
xxjayfrostxx 1 year ago
awwww
thats kinda sad
its also sad that people die
in the news sometimes
this happened today :s
LadyGagaLoveForev 1 year ago
The climate expert's explanation: "If you were a betting person... 19 chances out of 20 humans are having a major impact on why we're seeing these records..."
That's what I call expertise.
pepetruelo 1 year ago
@pepetruelo
Well most experts work within probabilities. There's no such thing as a certainty or a complete fact. There's always a possibility for error and a certain chance that this or that will probably happen. Most experts are smart enough to realize that nothing is for certain and to say without a doubt that it is this or that is totally wrong.
Just goes to show you that they have much more expertise than you do and there's a reason you will never be a climatologist.
Icix1 1 year ago
@Icix1 Thank you for clarifying that for me. Now perhaps you could point at some clear facts that prove his point...?
Meanwhile, the news channel that put up this video could change its title to something less misleading, or add a link to a page containing the factual information that backs these claims.
Or are we supposed to believe everything the news says?
pepetruelo 1 year ago
We human are responsible. By 2025, the whole population of the world is estimated to require two planets to sustain our current lifestyles. As I see it, the atrocious weather is just Mother Nature fighting back - and mark my words, SHE *WILL* WIN!
robertghouston 1 year ago
@robertghouston "Heaven and Earth are ruthless, and treat the myriad creatures as straw dogs."
If humans disturb the balance of the earth they will be trampled on and toss aside.
Humanists who intensely dislike the Gaia theory as they believe as a species we are different, indeed elevated from all other species and in control of our own destiny.
"The truth is they fear and hate it because it means humans can never be anything other than straw dogs."
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@Kinkspace I'm kind of a humanist... a humanist, in that I have no religious beliefs. I don't believe we are higher than any species... indeed, myriads of animal arguably do more for this planet and the human race than we do.
robertghouston 1 year ago
@robertghouston Then you are not entirely a humanist as you do see the bigger picture;) I was referring to those concerned only with human interests, who "believe" humans are in charge of their own destiny more so than any other species. This boils down to the salvation meme and nothing more, ie: the concept that one can escape the constraints of ones environment and ultimate outcome of natural order if one behaves this way or that, be that belief in science or religion.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
@robertghouston One can be humanitarian, something I aspire to, but without having the belief that we are any more or less special than the next species, indeed I think it would be hard to be a humanitarian if one believed our species to be special, as those that do also are predisposed to having elitist beliefs within our own species, ie: some are more entitled than others.
Kinkspace 1 year ago
Yes, he's right. humans are responsible. Humans like the ones flying those planes on covert missions to fill the skies with climate changing tropospheric aerosol sprays aka chemtrails.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago 3
@MuammarAlGathafi well said dude :)
mantovannni 1 year ago
@MuammarAlGathafi
cool story bro!
don't forget to put your tin-foil hat on. :D
Uteko95 1 year ago