The main difference is that we have popular left-wing parties and rightwing parties where USA basically have a choice between center-right and ultra-right.
@HanginAbout there is a video called "los guardianes de chavez" there talk most of the chavez mafia in "23 de enero" and the LAS FARC and FVL chavez is hidding in venezuela
yes but the saddest thing is that my people is dying there are already 30 deaths per week ? and all chavez do is blame USA opposition.. october 7 will bring the freedom for venezuela
@21boxhead megaprojects? jaja dont you understand im venezuelan? so you know more about my country than mme? every president have his mega project and of course chavez will try to keep money for his family, walid mackled and LAS FARC
@21boxhead we venezuelans are not stupid as some american people man.. we dont throug the day watching tv watching manipulated statics and hidden news... chavez dont respect private property, doesnt have idea what subway manteinance means, roads destroyed, every day are kids hungry in the streets, inflation x2 every month.... how can you say its the best president are you stupid? as i can see you have no idea what happen in my country so your opinion its not valid...
La CIA ha ideato un nuovo sistema per attentare alla vita dei Leader Scomodi; RADIAzionI sulle abitazioni dei Leader dei paesi del SudAmerica; e cosi' tutto riportano Tumori(Cancer) ; strana coin-cidenza ???? Golpe & Attantato, oggi si Chiamano, "TUMORI da RadiaZIONi" inviati via satellite ,a distanza ! Il genio della guerra per eliminare i leader scomodi al regime USraeliano ! USrael send Cancer (real;see all leader of south america) at all Leaders not slave of NWO !
@21boxhead hmm you dont read my comments rigth? well i repeat.. chavez doesnt have respect for our properties..chavez mess whit a lot of companies managed by working people and studied professionally (including mine) and they actually are wihout work.. im sorry but i dont will sacrife my children's inheritance for other Latin American countries for other hypocrites Latin American countries.. lts of people think the same and chavez will loose presidence in 2012 the worst gobertment ever
@broyalty357 LOL he is the best president of all of time in Venezuela and maybe the world no way he will lose this year's elections no way. You haven't watched any of the megaprojects havent you?
Chavez & Gheddafy ; Venezuela & Libia, the beast OIL of the Planet,but also the South American union & Africa Union !Chavez & Gheddafy the Good of Suss Sistem for a NWO ;USA & Israhell are the golem-frankstein to destroy for the NWO accepted by all planet!
@xMaXiMuSx you sir you whin that discussion remember people will appear talking you about chavez is god is salvation like jan jan does just pleaze ignore that kind of people that just will comfuse you and your people..
pd: i dont defend capitalism im just saying if you cannot survive to capitalism you never will survive socialism...definetly socialism its not the answer to ur problems
in Socialism property just doesnt exist.. little by little chavez is giving our property to people lazy that doesnt even wrk because they know the goverment will lodging them in someone´s house and we are forced to live whit them.. if i live in a 8 rooms house and i live whit my wife im forced to give asylum to at least 4 more people... i dont know were u get those riddles about presidential election but you definetly idolize him....
@janjan55555 jeeezus i found this bitch in every video defending chavez and does not have any idea of what he is talking about.. media its manipulated sun all you talk its shit... people plz ignore janjan55555 comentary¨s he just wacht a lot russia today or warever channel have manipulated and post every single word he listen in the program.. if you thik any country will be ok whit a socialist sistem them you are dangerously stupid wacht cuba...
wow i see everyone saying about Venezuela is poor, seems no1 of you has gone there....I am from aruba and the tourism there is all americans and VENEZUELANS, they come and buy all they want, and now people say they are poor? Come on...btw the news talking about Venezuela is poor are the opositions channels who want to give chaves a bad look . Open your eyes ppl..
O-I totally agree with him on this. Obama clearly has no morals, rejects Jesus Christ and works for the satanist communist capitalists who are cold-blooded killers for power and money. Maybe I'll go there and live. I'm ready to give up on my people. They should have already organized and went and killed these corporate snakes. And the demon politicians and people who support them. Top of the list would be Oil cartel, organized crime. Cut off the snake's HEAD!
@dovic3107 Capitalism is not perfect, how can it be, for man has fallen and perfection is not of this world. But Capitalism is still the best system yet discovered to bring security and prosperity to large numbers of people.
Russians by themselves developed Thermonuclear device which produced greater explosion power than USA design. WHO made fission bomb ? Not American , so shut the fuck up stupid fucks.
since tiny nation norway and the west chose to grant peace prize to prisoners up against their own countries so as to subvert local govern't and destabilise other countries, china and other countries re allowed to do the same granting similar peace prize to prisoners up against the west, particularly norway and USA. why not? eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth. when the west can do, china and other countries can do the same as well!! this's fair verdict during peace prize trial!!!court dismissed!!
YOU SHIT BAG ROMANIAN FUCKED UP CHEAP WHORES. YOU FUCKEDUP GYPSIES 2 CENT AMERICA'S WHORES WILL BE NUKED AWAY. THE EARTH WILL FINALLY BE CLEANSED OF YOU DIRTY AIDS INFECTED MICROBES. THE EARTH, YOU DIRTY DISEASED GYPSY'S WILL BE FUMIGATED LIKE COCKROACHES YOU ARE. YOU FUCKED UP SCUM OF THE PLANT.
kingofdice66 -- Communism was hope for BILLIONS of people around the world it spread like CANCER around the world cause this idea was so powerfull that all POOR people were moved by it. IT did not spread by FORCE you stupid fuck.
Mendeljeev periodic system of elements created by Russian OK , and Russia is on huge project of building semiconductor capacity which will produce IC and computer processors
Yes and thats why when people could finally vote in the satellite states 90% of people voted against the former puppet regimes of Hungary, Poland etc.
It doesn't matter what you say Germany has made the biggest contribution to all of science, many discoveries in the USA and Russia were by Germans born in Germany and having studied in Germany, it was just that they moved to Russia and the US whent hey made their discoveries.
@aviomaster god bless United States Of America and Nuclear Stockpile which is grater than that of Russia and it's super technology and NATO and all of it's allies who could fuck up Russia, we have computer , processors , fucking awesome technology from United States Of America , what the fuck did Russian gave us except for communism which fucked up Europe
Chavez did not kill Martin Luther King, nor Kennedy, nor one million people for oil with lies, nor 3000 nuclear weapons pointing to every nation in the world, nor extreme communist corrupted 700 billion dollars per year on military expenditures, nor intelligent service agencies sending mails with Anthrax Virus to its own population while blaming other country, nor Kings on its constitution, nor world record of drug addicts, nor Nazi retarded on CNN or FOX news, nor 13 trillion dollars debt.
@Ex101 overthrowing governments, developing diseases in the lab, funding terrorists (al-queda), mass genocide, mind control, poisoning food, air, water (chemtrails,preservatives,fluoride) torture, but most importantly letting bankers fuck them in the arse.
@diamondsilvia83 usa wants to show him as an idiot bloodthirsty dictator cause they are afraid of him.. cause they KNOW he is right, I was in Copenhagen and were ever Chavez, Moreles went a mass of ppl were standing around and applaud at them. Obama came to Copenhagen very secretly, hiding and leave very very quickly . He believed his charming smile would blind the people ..
@elektra1968 hahaha, no matter if the american president is a democrat, a republican, balck or white they are all the same kind of crap... but actually his " charming smile " blinded the people... cause there he is...
And the most sad thing is that most of the american people do believe what the media says... this world it's so stupid...
I truly hope Mexico rises to power a leader like Hugo Chavez.. To rid Mexico of US influence which is the root cause of its corruption and the bad leaders we have right now. All for US business and US interests. Not just in Mexico but allso in all of Latin America, Africa, Asia, Middle East, ETC...
we all know that we need to change our life style, but using socialism-comunism speeches again is just an insult. Chavez is a dictator, he tolerates no opposition, look "lista de tascon in youtube, corruption "caso del maletin PDVSA", socialist banks going bankrupt during chavez? haha, judicial and legislative powers are a joke, no real independence, and saying that capitalists are the only ones who pollute is a lie, communists can pollute big time! that is a fact!! do some research!!
@tevamosajoder Yeah, but people pollute and consume like pigs in a capitalist nation. You do your research too. The amount the US polluts and consumes compated to say north Korea for example is probobly quadripple. half or more than half of the worlds cars are owned by Americans. China is close to the US in polluters only because of its major population. but if they both had about the same number of citizens-then the story would be different.
La verdad es que un país socialista puede ser igual de contaminador como uno capitalista. Chávez trata de resolver los problemas mundiales pero no puede resolver problemas nacionales. La inflación más alta de latinoamérica 30%, 2 devaluaciones de la moneda, altisima criminalidad, discriminación política (ver lista de tascón youtube), corrupción (caso maletín Pdvsa), dedocracia por encima de la soberanía popular (caso Antonio Ledezman alcalde mayor), CHÁVEZ FUERA!
Chávez es un populista, todo se queda en discurso, Chávez trata de resolver los problemas mundiales pero no puede resolver problemas nacionales. La inflación más alta de latinoamérica 30%, 2 devaluaciones de la moneda, altisima criminalidad, discriminación política (ver lista de tascón youtube), corrupción (caso maletín Pdvsa), dedocracia por encima de la soberanía popular caso Antonio Ledezman alcalde mayor, CHÁVEZ FUERA!
Ah si, y antes Venezuela era un paraíso... En los 90s 30% de inflación era la normalidad en Venezuela... Y mejor no hablar de criminalidad cuando en Latino-América hay países en guerra civil como México y Colombia y un golpe en Honduras. Seguro, sin contexto puedes criticar, pero con el justo contexto histórico y mundial la prospectiva es diferente.
chavez is a rare case, he is one of the few politicians who have enough balls to stand up against capitalism. the fat cats are getting fatter people need to wake up.
I dont understand how come he confront capitalism while he still feed it with petrolium?... why not incentivate the farm sector so we could export a quality product to: 1. Not depend so much on a nonrenewable resource; and 2. Dramatically reduce the air polution in the production of pretolium. So we could make a real use of 3. Not feed capitalism!. I'd like to get a real answer please, not insults or downrate the comment... i mean, my fact has a point, what do you think about it?.
Me alegro que seas de habla hispana: Pues bien, yo no me refiero a solucionar el problema energetico mundial, solo a la forma de obterner divisas al pais, es decir: En venezuela no producimos el petroleo, lo extraemos y exportamos (en el exterior lo transforman), asi q realment no lo usamos (nostros) como energia, sino como ingreso, en ese sentido mi punto seria cambiar ese ingreso x otro, como colombia cuya 1r producto es el cafe. Y así automatico colaboramos con mi punto 2.. y por ultimo...
mira, no podes correr antes de caminar, pues es lo mismo, conseguir y desarollar la macinaria que se requiere para fabricar compuestos quimicos de tal complejidad. y el resto de los medios de produccion de Venezuela se estan apoyando en el petroleo para poder experimentar algo de desarollo.
Existe un error en tu afirmación y es el hecho que el aparato productor interno venezolano tiene destinado la inmensa mayoria de las ganancias obtenidas en al ambito petrolero. Es decir, no existe un verdadero desarrollo de la agricultura, mas bien ha decaido y de eso puedes tener constancia en cualquier fuente de información. Hasta el mismo presidente lo admite, claro, diciendo "hay que mejorarlo" pero al tanto es que no se ve ninguna mejora, sino deterioro, ya en 12 años de gobierno.
...por ultimo, no entiendo tu teoría respecto al capitalismo. Es irónico decir que para matar a alguien de hambre, hay que darle un banquete hasta que reventar?.
no le estas dando un festin a nadie, venden gasolina pero ganan dinero, y lo venden mas caro que el costo de extraccion osea que al final venezuela sale ganando, de hecho es la econmia de mayor crecimiento en sur america.
Nuevamente incurres en otro error, y es el hecho de que, y esto no viene de ahora de éste gobierno sino desde que nació la venezuela petrolera, si bien existe un margen de ganancia; la reventa de los productos ya transformados y derivados del petroleo que exportamos terminan generando un gasto superior que nadie calcula. Ahora bien a lo 2do, depende de tu defición de desarrollo, puesto q existen muchas clases del mismo... quiza haya un desarrollo desd el punto de vista internacional ya que...
...ya que c ha hecho una figura publica este sujeto (mala propaganda pero propaganda al fin) y quiza "nos puso n mapa" x asi decirlo (aunq no de la forma q me hubiese gustado). Pero en el ambito cultural decaimos. Vzla no era un pais dond facciones politicas se odiaban a muerte como se puede palpar en el dia a dia,ni existia clasismo ni racismo al nivel que aunq poco, existe hoy por hoy. En el sentido Económico hay una supuesta "mejora" pues las ganancias petroleras estan mas elevadas que.
enrealidad Chavez en si no hiso la mala propaganda, enrealidad hasta conosco estado unidenses que admiran a Chavez no por fanatismo sino por las acciones que toma, chavez tiene mala publicidad gracias a los individuos de ultra derecha que son due;os de medios de comunicacion. y en cuanto a las facciones, el clasismo siempre ha existido, si sos de clase media ya sea baja o alta los mas probable es que no te des cuenta. y en cuanto al racismolos indios siempre han sido discriminados por el gob....
por el gobierno, en realidad es en lo extremo dificil que alguien de desendencia india quede para un buen puesto, si te das cuenta el indio ha sido visto como inerior desde siempre, pero siempre los que estan encontra de alguien le hechan el muerto a esa persona..
venezuela tiene uno de los programas mas avanzados de desarrollos de derivados del petroleo, de hecho me dijeron que estan haciendo casas de derivados del petroleo, o me mintieron? y la reforma agraria de venezuela es en lo extremo inovadora, hasta ha sido usado por los paisese centroamericanos como modelo a seguir. para mi esa reforma es clara evidencia de desarollo.
... elevadas que nunca; aún así no existen implementos en los hospitales publicos, la inseguridad ha aumentado considerablemente (admitido x el mismo president), las cifras de mortandad se han elevado x encima de paises en actual guerra (revisa los numeros en paginas del gobierno), aumento el costo de la cesta básica y entre muchisimas otras cosas, la reciente Devaluación de la moneda q nunk, jamás en la historia ha significado nada bueno. Es decir, el dinero entra en un bolsillo sin fin.
el deterioro es a nivel mundial, todods los paises estan sufriendo deterioro, osea que no culpes al politico a cargo a menos que tengas evidencia concreta de que es culpa del politico a cargo, osea facturas, cuentas y tambien que sean de fuentes confiables e inparciales, en caso de que no tengas evidencia deberas de decir supongo que el problema es el politico
Lamento ser tan insistente pero m urge q personas pensante como usted sten al tanto d la vrdadera realidad venezolana q muy pocas prsonas quieren ver,otras tantas no la quieren aceptar, muchos otros la ignoran,algunos la quieren tapar y los que la ven,no pretenden hacr nada. Creame de corazon cuando le digo q cada vez la vida aca es mas y mas dificil, y q bien puede chavez hablar bonito, ser carismatico y pretender ser la voz del pueblo dl mundo. Pero la realidad s muy diferent.Salu2 bnasnchs.
mira, yo soy una persona objetiva y como tal tomo tu punto de vista en cuenta, y veo que es relativamente conservador, yo soy de izquierda por los hechos, las bases de la filosofia conservadora es conservar las cosas como estan y experimentar la menor cantidad de cambios posibles, viendolo de un punto de vista historico esto solo ha probocado retrasos en el avanze de el hombre como especie. yo soy un izquierdista con endencias socialistas, y como se que el socialismo es efiquaz? investigue la...
situacion de paises tales como suecia, holanda, espa;a, noruega, dinamarca entre otros, y tambien la de USA y conclui de que el capitalismo no es tan eficaz como el socialismo, hecho en base a puntos concret tales como el indice de literacia, salud, felicidad, y tazas de crimenes, de esa manera conclui que el socialismo es mejor, quien no me crea que haga la investigacion que yo hice de manera objetiva e imparcial...
Me parece que estas cifras son de tu propia creación puesto que me comparas dichos paises con otros que no me has nombrado, solo concluyes que es mejor por tu propia tendencia política. Y si por ultimo concluyes q para demostrar mi punto tengo q dart pruebas concretas, bien podria yo someterte al mismo criterio, probando en denfensa que tu punto de vista es certero. Los programas q nombrastes Petrocasa y de agricultura estan mayoritariamente paralizados y parcializados.
jealous :) Im venezuelan and we all hate him here, I don't know why people think that he reflects our thoughts, we don't think like him, he is the only one that hates obama here LOL he does whatever he wants, I hate him
by 'real people' you mean those supporting your point of view. A classic fascist way of thinking. I believe you're not worth another word from me, really.
@Gufberg , no i just mean the people who actually live in Caracus. Anyway, if you don't want to discuss and be close minded, well, that's par for the course of the left. Silence the opposition, huh ?
There is nothing to be said, proof is out there, just get a day or two if you are really interested and learn by yourself whats really going on in our country. If you speak/understand spanish... watch several interviews and make ur own opinion. Chavez truly is a great speaker and he is very charismatic... however... so was hittler. Just focus on what he says in the political context and you will see he is full with contradictions and lies. Just check it out my friend. Good luck.
Unfortunatly i do not understand spanish. But i will try to look more into Chavez, his retheoric - cant spell that - and see if i can find contradictions.
I have researched him before, but you're right, i should prolly do so again. Outdated info, is irrellevant info afterall :)
And what is the importance of your class in the nd?.There is a reality nd that reality affect everyone in the same way. 4 example. Lets suppose the goverment help low class ppl and make it harder to high lvl class ppl. In d economy system its proven that high class tends to propotionate the best source 4 jobs and well.. i agree that you middle in d checking that one doesnt violent others rights but in d end... if you make a rich more poor.... youll end up making the poor way more poor!. Think.
I see you have no greater knowledge of how the free market works. For this system to be maintained - corporations earning billions, and us being able to buy cheap made-in-china towels - we need to exploit someone. Someone HAS to suffer for this system, its pure logic.
And the 3rd world suffers for this, it has nothing to do with stupidity. Tell me, are they stupid because corporate america exploits them?. No. Your hypothesis is busted.
Your last comment however, i do like. I will do that.
My dear friend you are explaining the way the free market works for YOUR country :) and of course it doesnt work the same way for others cuz no every country has the same priorites... for example... who would be those africa explode to? the "free market", or even their economy work just in a different way it would to usa. Now if you checked what r our prior you would understand and see the why of my prev comment. That is something most of our best economist always talk about. Good luck!.
oh and u should check a previous comment scroll down about my point to the usa. Its kinda of what you say, only when i say goverment (it would be and their corpotations). But then again we're in different economical priorities.
Now i dont agree with you. If ur venezuelan and oposition, you should be ashamed... Usa is not the best of the goverment to be honest... cuz they step on anyone as long as they take care of their own interest, and am aware of what they doing not only venezuela but south america countries, but still you cant blame inner problems ALL to them cuz... if ur corrupt, then first stop robbing ur own money and then start doing something about it!
@Pyrobon no seas pendejo, el mundo esta pasando por una crisis climatica ahora mismo, lo mas logico es que racionen electricidad y agua, en sur america hay sequias mientras que asia, el norte y europa se congelan....
@Mike1245690 ¿Disculpa? ¿Estás relacionando la crisis climática con el nivel de racionamiento que se llegó en Venezuela? Este es un problema que tenía años reportandose y nadie hizo nada al respecto para prevenirlo en nuestro país. Somos uno de los países con mayor capacidad para generar energía, no se justifica un racionamiento de 4 horas interdiario a nivel nacional. De hecho, el plan fue tan desastroso que por eso tuvieron que cancelarlo. Demasiada ingenuidad...
@Pyrobon Tienes razón sobre las sequías, desde hace tiempo que se habla de eso pero ¿qué quieres decir con ''nadie hizo nada al respecto para prevenirlo''?, deberías saber que no se pueden predecir sequías ¿entendí mal?. El guri genera la mayor parte de la energía de Venezuela, ¿como se va a generar energía si no llueve?. Lo de Caracas fue desastroso por eso el racionamiento fue suspendido y despidieron al ministro de energía, a partir del lunes va a ser de 2 horas
where r you from?... are there programmed blackouts in your country too? cuz the climate is affecting everyone in the world... still not all countries have them programmed. Reason?.. a better plannification.
No mundo aparece,,,, monstros como os terroristas,,,,Assasinos como Fidel Castro, idiotas como o Hugo Chaveco. Tiranos como Hitler, Stalin,,,,, mas em compensacao, aparece um como o Divaldo Pereira Franco, Chico Xavier
chavez is brave n isnt scared n will never sell out like barack oflawma , personally i think obama wants to appease to the right wing n lobbiest groups for the first four years n than get reelected 2nd term n do sum actual work , but who knows? as for chavez , hes a hero ! hes given solidarity to palestinians when the whole world is scared of the zionist imperiaists , n reduced poverty in venuezvela amazingly , n the literac y rate too , socialism is improving lives , capitalism only exploits
Hahah... you my friend, there is no case in arguing with you. You have no idea whats happening in your surrounds. I bid you to check real information.
@k3304 Making a statement that Venezuela kidnaps Americans for ranson says all Venezuelans are responsible. I guess no different from the USA holding the rest of the world in economic ransom...
I agree with u USA goverment have serveral flaws. MOst of them mess my country. But still there are way too much other inner problems that you could only check and feel when you go to market this week and the next one u spend more money and have less products... among other situations. Anyway.. the fact that choise A doesnt work, doesnt mean B is the right one.. if both suck, they both suck and thats it. Hey... (as an hilarous comment) why dont we trade presidents for next 12 years? ;)
What do you know about his internal affairs, ProYankees had their chance Before and they put the poverty on 80%, with him, and ProSocialist agenda, he reduce till 23% and going down, unemployment from 20% to 5% and Going down, FREE Education yes u can be Engineer Without paying a cent, FREE Health Care, no Tax end of Year 4 workers, "0" analphabets and he expend around 65% from income To Social Programs, what can u know about it? whos diying by him? ignorant.
What do i know about his internal affairs?.. are u kidding me right? I AM venezuelan & i live in my country!. & all of those numbers your spitting are just d echoes of ur president lies, & definetly dont feel d surroundings? less poverty?, more job? did u just really said that only 5% of capable population doesnt have a job? r you... mad?. & d FREE things always existed, its called public college and hospitals,& they are NOT recieving that 65% u so talk about, they decay. Who's d real ignorant?
Chavez, as shady as he is, has done better than those pro-US sell-outs who destroyed Latin America for decades. Sure you have every right to criticize his personalization of power but at least he's using the petrodollars for something other than villas in Miami. Did you expect Caracas to become London in 10 years? Venezuela has long standing historical problems created by US colonialism and local corruption that will take decades of work to fix.
@DonVoghano Hey.... the Spanish, English and the French destroyed latin America. The U.S. didn't bring the cross of Christianity to that land. Those eurodrones installed that technology. LOOK! see what we brought YOU! Kinda like that! Get off the U.S. hating shit with all this subterfuge.
@dorksayswhat Haha you give too much weight to the "gift" of Christianity, although it certainly was part of the cultural Armageddon of the Americas. The Europeans bear the responsibility for all the colonial atrocities in Latin America pretty much up to the 1800s and certainly set the stage for future abuses, but as soon as the US were done with the most massive genocide in human history, they proudly, and quite outspokenly, took over that tradition of oppression for the following 200 years.
@DonVoghano We really don't know if the U.S. instituted the largest mass genocide in human history. For a fact at least 250 million have starved to death in Africa in the last 60 years while the world stood by and watched it happen. But I guess that wasn't direct intervention or the lack of. Everybody is a wolf in this game. None no better than the rest. Hugo is no exception.
@dorksayswhat There are degrees of bad, it's important to make a distinction or we can never have any progress anywhere. And there is actual policy on the ground with measurable outcomes. Fact is that US puppets in the region are not looking any better, indeed they are looking far worse even after all the Venezuela bashing and the praising of the fantastic teletubbie democrats that rule failed states like Colombia or Mexico. These are dark days for freedom.
@dorksayswhat Now I was not attempting to do any US hating or other such idiotic proto-nazi nationalistic concepts, I was simply stating the fact that the modern history of Venezuela has been dominated by US colonialism - and you can verify that independently since the sources are readily available - and that Chavez is a first, imperfect attempt at changing that sorry fact. If you wanna go further down in history I'll be glad to do so.
@DonVoghano Hugo crossed him self. So he has been indoctrinated by the technology that was delivered to that land long before America. What is more powerful.... the U.S. foreign policy or the GOD before him. What has changed the land scape or geopolitics more than Christianity? Maybe the sail boats that delivered that technology. You have nothing historically more powerful or influential than that! You really have to look at history in the physical sense to understand those social changes.
Dude everyone in Venezuela is poor. There is no wealth in that country.. Not to say that Chavez isn't well intentioned but his policy is WRONG.. If you want to praise a south American leader who did it the righ way it's Lula of Brazil.. That's a real economy where people have real wealth amd higher standard of living.. IN venezuela the currency is completely devalued, MASSIVE shortages.. Once the oil prices comes down the entire country will be bankrupt.
@xMaXiMuSx Said the yankee, who COULD only dream of the wealth Venezuelans have!!! They may not have the newest jeans, but they are clothed! They may not have the latest special "X-shaped" cereals but they are fed! They may not earn as much as you but they get by and they're happy! Now go back whatever yankee stadion village you came from and stay there, Venezuelans are proud of Chavez( great majority atleast!) Their socialist system is something your nation can only dream of!
lol I like Chavez, he is well intentioned.. he has NOT solved Venezuela's poverty problems.. HE should ask Lula in Brazil how to fix a crappy economy.. That man did it the right way..
@xMaXiMuSx Perhaps not, but he's certainly better than ANY colonial force occupying Venezulea! The country may have its issues, BUT (!!!) he is at this very moment investing with the current oil revenues (which are enormous given the high market prices!). It may not have been with the same results as Libya, but they're on the right track, I expect them to be 'developed' in the upcomming 10 years. As for Brazil; you can't compare that kind of diverse economy to oil exporting economy of Venezuela.
"As for Brazil; you can't compare that kind of diverse economy to oil exporting economy of Venezuela."
Exactly.. That's the point.. brazil has a free market capitalistic economy(minus the goverment/wall street looting that we have here in the US) that allows the diverse economy to be created because of etnerpreanurship...
@xMaXiMuSx Wrong! Venezuela doesn't have the same resources like Brazil ! Venezuela is better off with the socialist model, a capitalist model would be devastating for its economy due to its primary resource being oil (and transport services but not much) In 10 years free education/healthcare will still survive PS; USA drove the oil price up with their consumerism , so who's to blame for more expensive way of life? Sigh at Neo liberals...
Socialism,Capitalism.. Vary ambigous terms.. venezuela has never had a capitalist model, they had a fascist model before Chavez but oh well.. US did NOT drove up oil prices with consumerism.. Price of oil is the same today as it has ever been.. The value of paper money has gone down.. But price is still the same in real money(gold).. God you are clueless indeed..
@xMaXiMuSx Interesting, I didn't know the world currency was GOLD, anyways your ass is clueless. PS the fact that you think USA hasn't had influence on the price of oil is understatement of the year! The lower the value of the dollar (something Saoedi Arabia doesn't like!), the higher the price of oil! PS; USA's horrendous consumerism+ thirst for oil along with your crappy ass value actually allowed inflation to creep in! Thus creating a mess on the the markets for basic necessity! Dumbass :)
@xMaXiMuSx "While the US accounts for only 5 percent of the world's population, it consumes 25 percent of the world's fossil fuel-based energy." Euhm... Pathetic! Should oil producers demand euros, dinars or precious metals in payment for their product, the decline in the US dollar will accelerate while the price of precious metals explodes= bye bye crappy ass US dollar, it's worthless as it is right now!
exactly the dollar is crappy.. that's why the oil prices is high.. It has nothing to do with "consumerism" you f ucking idiot.. you proved my point.. the rest of the world should consume more because there is oil all over the planet..
@xMaXiMuSx SO you don't think despite having a crappy currency that the Demand for oil has NO influence at all ? If you think it's MERELY because of the devaluation of the dollar that we see these insanely high prices on the oil market, then I think a course of macro economics would be best suited for you. It's interlinked actually, your domestic demand for oil simply accelerates the aforementioned effect. Don't lecture me about the laws of Demand and Supply.
Demands meants nothing... it's about supply.. Anyone can demand anything.. I'm demanding a huge 8 room house but there is no one supplying it to me at a price I can afford it..
Of coures there is other factors in the price of oil but devalutation o the dollar is a big part of it..
@xMaXiMuSx You're just carrying the water for neo liberals ("Bushonomics") who are firm believers of DEMAND economy;1. The upcomming succes of India and China which creates a rise in oilprice 2.high prices -> more exploration -> but still no increased supply -> high prices 3.high prices -> lower demand-> but depletion continues -> still high prices. Voila a couple of key principles regarding supply /demand+Oil!
ahahhaha.. When the Chinese depag from the dollar, their oi price will be CHEAP.. ahah you obviously know nothing but anyone who idolizes chavez from an economic point of view is strictly misinformed..
@xMaXiMuSx I never said I 'idolize' Chavez, I am just of the (realistic) opinion that Venezuela IS better of with a socialist system than a capitalist system. Look at their role-model Cuba, where America has tried SEVERAL times to overthrow the government and they are nowhere near the healthcare Cuba has to offer to its Cubans(life expectance just as high as a person living in Washington)! Not every country has to be capitalistic like yours, accept that in 10 years socialism will still survive.
This was nothing short of beauty. Hugo Chavez is such a charizmatic figure in our modern time, but somehow seems to go unknown to many in the US. "He's still around?" folks I know asked. I worry for the future of Venezuela, with their oil reserves, and the nearly depleted fields across the globe. I fear for the amount of time they have left, before we go in to get it, likely by any means necessary. Thanks, Mr. Chavez for your inspiration to the young people of today. I will stand up for you.
@gH0stGuard , Chavez is a bully, a murderer and censors newpapers and TV stations who don't agree with his dictatorship. Gee Whiz your paranoid about oil & natural gas reserves, in fact check out the price of nat gas, it's down over 50% because of oversupply. Relax there's plenty of fields out there !!
@k3304 "a bully, a murderer and a censor"...who does this sound like? Would you like a list? Relate that to the conditions we live in. Paranoid? Not me. Realistic? Definitely. You really think we care about the politics of the mid. east? Well, yes, but not if they couldn't benefit US in some major way. Liquid natural gas is down over 50% huh? 50% from what? Not down 15% from 15 years ago, before we really got our hands dirty in that region.
Oh my god, you have no idea of the context of your words. First... he IS a bully, murderer and censor. He constantly rape our constitution. He leaded armies (retired soldier) and he been in paramilitarism (in his own words) and he has killed ppl with his own hands (by his own words!) nice 1 for a president right?.. now imagine a killer with oil money and power of a country?. An he is a censor, he shutted down a channel of ancient for no reason even when it was on cable!.
And the "i dont care.. well i do cae if i have a bennefit"... man, you definetly have no heart at all... i hope not all american people think the same way. PPL is dying because of it!!! even your own!!! so.. u either open and study some books or you shut up and have some respect for reality!.
@k3304 Why do you think that our administration was so quick to assure that there was no reason to assume environmental damage from drilling in wildlife refuges in Alaska and Canada, and to maintain this self-admittedly "extremely hazardous" pipeline to bring it through sensitive areas, and near communities? Near rivers where a leak would devastate the whole coastline? Remember exxon? Think of that as a pin prick. Venezuela wouldn't need a pipeline. They don't have a huge military.
ghost, to tell you the truth i own a Cannondale mountain bike that i ride everywhere, even in January. And i just came home from work on the transit bus. And i also believe in recycling. But, running out of oil is so 70's dude.
@k3304 So 70's? Right...Welcome to 2010 where we grown 70% of our energy and the rest is super-safe nuke plants. The only thing that's 70's is your view of what 2010 will be. I have the Pop. Sci mags that would have told me how superior we would be by 1995. What did we get? The scroll wheel on my mouse!! Wow, way better than a flying car.
Obama did not deserve the prize, but Chavez is the biggest moron ever
ersatzear 5 days ago
@ersatzear Do not under estimate Mr. Chavez.
XIIIBAER 4 days ago
The main difference is that we have popular left-wing parties and rightwing parties where USA basically have a choice between center-right and ultra-right.
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Prisons, Schools, Healthcare financing, Police, Military, politics <- Must never have profit motives!!
Strong anti-trust, fairplay laws to promote innovation over monopoly domination..
This is the core of European social-democratisms in case any Americans were wondering.
Raising the botton line is good too.. Giving people food/shelter and self-respect while they try to improve their lives is really really cheap ;)
Capitalism in the extreme is just as bad as communism.
jsgdk 1 week ago
how can be recorded in this way the same volume lavel of the voices and what should i hear first !????
WhiteFrequencyNoise 2 weeks ago
50 years of Chavez will not rid of capitalism in the world... it may rid of it in Venezuela and with it any chance for Venezuela to get any better
myselfecemp 3 weeks ago
¡Viva Hugo Chávez!
UtivichsCrew 3 weeks ago
@HanginAbout there is a video called "los guardianes de chavez" there talk most of the chavez mafia in "23 de enero" and the LAS FARC and FVL chavez is hidding in venezuela
broyalty357 3 weeks ago
yes but the saddest thing is that my people is dying there are already 30 deaths per week ? and all chavez do is blame USA opposition.. october 7 will bring the freedom for venezuela
broyalty357 3 weeks ago
@21boxhead megaprojects? jaja dont you understand im venezuelan? so you know more about my country than mme? every president have his mega project and of course chavez will try to keep money for his family, walid mackled and LAS FARC
broyalty357 1 month ago
@21boxhead we venezuelans are not stupid as some american people man.. we dont throug the day watching tv watching manipulated statics and hidden news... chavez dont respect private property, doesnt have idea what subway manteinance means, roads destroyed, every day are kids hungry in the streets, inflation x2 every month.... how can you say its the best president are you stupid? as i can see you have no idea what happen in my country so your opinion its not valid...
broyalty357 1 month ago
@broyalty357 Nonetheless it's a balance of world power.
HanginAbout 3 weeks ago
En Venezuela hay mucho bismuto y la radiacion hace a la gente tripuda cabezona y tonta. miren a Chavez.
lechepoliada 1 month ago
Wich we had a guy like this leading denmark =(
hehefromhere 1 month ago 2
La CIA ha ideato un nuovo sistema per attentare alla vita dei Leader Scomodi; RADIAzionI sulle abitazioni dei Leader dei paesi del SudAmerica; e cosi' tutto riportano Tumori(Cancer) ; strana coin-cidenza ???? Golpe & Attantato, oggi si Chiamano, "TUMORI da RadiaZIONi" inviati via satellite ,a distanza ! Il genio della guerra per eliminare i leader scomodi al regime USraeliano ! USrael send Cancer (real;see all leader of south america) at all Leaders not slave of NWO !
SussBank 1 month ago
Thanks
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OttoLund 1 month ago
Even Neanderthals know bullshit when they see it. Obama deserved no such prize and it is an insult for the human beings who earned it.
911firefight 2 months ago 11
@21boxhead hmm you dont read my comments rigth? well i repeat.. chavez doesnt have respect for our properties..chavez mess whit a lot of companies managed by working people and studied professionally (including mine) and they actually are wihout work.. im sorry but i dont will sacrife my children's inheritance for other Latin American countries for other hypocrites Latin American countries.. lts of people think the same and chavez will loose presidence in 2012 the worst gobertment ever
broyalty357 2 months ago
@broyalty357 LOL he is the best president of all of time in Venezuela and maybe the world no way he will lose this year's elections no way. You haven't watched any of the megaprojects havent you?
21boxhead 1 month ago
viva CHAVEZ !
Gheorghepatriotul 2 months ago
I know both languages I don't know who to listen to so confusing!! :(
felipeg1917 2 months ago
viva chavez
irishbhoy1967 3 months ago
Obamann
SussBank 3 months ago
viva chavez
marcos197722 4 months ago
Chavez & Gheddafy ; Venezuela & Libia, the beast OIL of the Planet,but also the South American union & Africa Union !Chavez & Gheddafy the Good of Suss Sistem for a NWO ;USA & Israhell are the golem-frankstein to destroy for the NWO accepted by all planet!
SussBank 5 months ago 2
@xMaXiMuSx you sir you whin that discussion remember people will appear talking you about chavez is god is salvation like jan jan does just pleaze ignore that kind of people that just will comfuse you and your people..
pd: i dont defend capitalism im just saying if you cannot survive to capitalism you never will survive socialism...definetly socialism its not the answer to ur problems
broyalty357 5 months ago
@broyalty357 SOCIALISM SEEMS TO THE BEST ROUTE FOR LATIN AMERICA CAPITALISM WILL MAKE THE SMALL COUNTRIES TOO DEPENDENT ON IMPORTS(usa).
21boxhead 2 months ago
in Socialism property just doesnt exist.. little by little chavez is giving our property to people lazy that doesnt even wrk because they know the goverment will lodging them in someone´s house and we are forced to live whit them.. if i live in a 8 rooms house and i live whit my wife im forced to give asylum to at least 4 more people... i dont know were u get those riddles about presidential election but you definetly idolize him....
broyalty357 5 months ago
@janjan55555 jeeezus i found this bitch in every video defending chavez and does not have any idea of what he is talking about.. media its manipulated sun all you talk its shit... people plz ignore janjan55555 comentary¨s he just wacht a lot russia today or warever channel have manipulated and post every single word he listen in the program.. if you thik any country will be ok whit a socialist sistem them you are dangerously stupid wacht cuba...
broyalty357 5 months ago
wow i see everyone saying about Venezuela is poor, seems no1 of you has gone there....I am from aruba and the tourism there is all americans and VENEZUELANS, they come and buy all they want, and now people say they are poor? Come on...btw the news talking about Venezuela is poor are the opositions channels who want to give chaves a bad look . Open your eyes ppl..
xXDarkWarrior666Xx 6 months ago
@xXDarkWarrior666Xx Its hard for most people to see past all this vile propagenda against Chavez
Mankindfails 6 months ago
try telling republican retards and his commie supporters this fuckin barack obama is not a fucking commie hes a democrat
edwardd668 7 months ago in playlist INTERESTING
Hugo chavez is the MAN !!, Obama is the DOG !! lmao!!
manchewl 8 months ago
long life to chavez !
ilMitico69 10 months ago
INDIOOOOOO, PERO SABES HABLARR,,JAJAJAJAJAJAJA,
crisju2 11 months ago
O-I totally agree with him on this. Obama clearly has no morals, rejects Jesus Christ and works for the satanist communist capitalists who are cold-blooded killers for power and money. Maybe I'll go there and live. I'm ready to give up on my people. They should have already organized and went and killed these corporate snakes. And the demon politicians and people who support them. Top of the list would be Oil cartel, organized crime. Cut off the snake's HEAD!
Licmycat 11 months ago
long life for Our president Chavez !!
he 's the best and death for capitalism
dovic3107 11 months ago 19
@dovic3107 Capitalism is not perfect, how can it be, for man has fallen and perfection is not of this world. But Capitalism is still the best system yet discovered to bring security and prosperity to large numbers of people.
JeffersonCato1776 1 month ago
He did not mock anything to do with obama, change the title
yozeroz 11 months ago
He is not for capitalism, hence he is anti american.
yozeroz 11 months ago
Russians by themselves developed Thermonuclear device which produced greater explosion power than USA design. WHO made fission bomb ? Not American , so shut the fuck up stupid fucks.
aviomaster 1 year ago
And he is right as usual.
surlagachette2 1 year ago
@surlagachette2 Yeh! Any idea why there is such a smear campaign in the US. Are they a threat to their own style of plurocracy?
yozeroz 11 months ago
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since tiny nation norway and the west chose to grant peace prize to prisoners up against their own countries so as to subvert local govern't and destabilise other countries, china and other countries re allowed to do the same granting similar peace prize to prisoners up against the west, particularly norway and USA. why not? eyes for eyes and teeth for teeth. when the west can do, china and other countries can do the same as well!! this's fair verdict during peace prize trial!!!court dismissed!!
worldadjudicator 1 year ago
YOU SHIT BAG ROMANIAN FUCKED UP CHEAP WHORES. YOU FUCKEDUP GYPSIES 2 CENT AMERICA'S WHORES WILL BE NUKED AWAY. THE EARTH WILL FINALLY BE CLEANSED OF YOU DIRTY AIDS INFECTED MICROBES. THE EARTH, YOU DIRTY DISEASED GYPSY'S WILL BE FUMIGATED LIKE COCKROACHES YOU ARE. YOU FUCKED UP SCUM OF THE PLANT.
joejoe4812 1 year ago
kingofdice66 -- Communism was hope for BILLIONS of people around the world it spread like CANCER around the world cause this idea was so powerfull that all POOR people were moved by it. IT did not spread by FORCE you stupid fuck.
Mendeljeev periodic system of elements created by Russian OK , and Russia is on huge project of building semiconductor capacity which will produce IC and computer processors
You are typical brainwashed American dumb ass.
aviomaster 1 year ago
@aviomaster
Yes and thats why when people could finally vote in the satellite states 90% of people voted against the former puppet regimes of Hungary, Poland etc.
It doesn't matter what you say Germany has made the biggest contribution to all of science, many discoveries in the USA and Russia were by Germans born in Germany and having studied in Germany, it was just that they moved to Russia and the US whent hey made their discoveries.
Swiftab1e 1 year ago
@aviomaster What's IC? Is that some kind of brainwashing with computers?
Licmycat 11 months ago
GOD Bless Russian Federation Nuclear Stockpile
Only Sure thing of protection from USA fascist scum
aviomaster 1 year ago
@aviomaster god bless United States Of America and Nuclear Stockpile which is grater than that of Russia and it's super technology and NATO and all of it's allies who could fuck up Russia, we have computer , processors , fucking awesome technology from United States Of America , what the fuck did Russian gave us except for communism which fucked up Europe
kingofdice66 1 year ago
Inflation in Venezuela is 30%! Chavez is a joke. He is an economic idiot who doesn't know when to turn off the printing press.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi we had an inflation of thousands of % in yugoslavia...solved it within two years...
30% is nothing for a small country like venezuela
Rabican030 1 year ago
@redeyeshannibal suck my cock too boy
xAXsalvationXAx 1 year ago
Socialism sucks , Capitalism sucks...WHAT SYSTEM WILL DO??
Doteatsurpants 1 year ago
@Doteatsurpants communism?
siartje 1 year ago
Chavez did not kill Martin Luther King, nor Kennedy, nor one million people for oil with lies, nor 3000 nuclear weapons pointing to every nation in the world, nor extreme communist corrupted 700 billion dollars per year on military expenditures, nor intelligent service agencies sending mails with Anthrax Virus to its own population while blaming other country, nor Kings on its constitution, nor world record of drug addicts, nor Nazi retarded on CNN or FOX news, nor 13 trillion dollars debt.
Ex101 1 year ago 43
@Ex101 That's because Chavez can't afford it ;)
USA! USA!
KRO2O 2 months ago
@Ex101 overthrowing governments, developing diseases in the lab, funding terrorists (al-queda), mass genocide, mind control, poisoning food, air, water (chemtrails,preservatives,fluoride) torture, but most importantly letting bankers fuck them in the arse.
machicniii 2 months ago
Men, he's right...
I don't know why most of the people in the us thinks that he's an idiot, a dictator or something... oh wait... the media?
He's actually the only one who says what he and a lot of people think.
I mean... do you expect Sarkozy, for exemple, to say what he said?
He has balls.
diamondsilvia83 1 year ago
@diamondsilvia83 usa wants to show him as an idiot bloodthirsty dictator cause they are afraid of him.. cause they KNOW he is right, I was in Copenhagen and were ever Chavez, Moreles went a mass of ppl were standing around and applaud at them. Obama came to Copenhagen very secretly, hiding and leave very very quickly . He believed his charming smile would blind the people ..
elektra1968 1 year ago
@elektra1968 hahaha, no matter if the american president is a democrat, a republican, balck or white they are all the same kind of crap... but actually his " charming smile " blinded the people... cause there he is...
And the most sad thing is that most of the american people do believe what the media says... this world it's so stupid...
diamondsilvia83 1 year ago
I still believe in God,, because he mercy to us and to creat this kind of man, amen..
Viva Jesus
Viva Chavez
capitalist system must end...
TheCanniball74 1 year ago
Chavez is a fucking Satan worshipper
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
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AshKnight80 1 year ago
This Clowns words is like toilet paper you just have to wipe your dogs ass with it - Because its not worth wiping your own with it
6308281 1 year ago
I truly hope Mexico rises to power a leader like Hugo Chavez.. To rid Mexico of US influence which is the root cause of its corruption and the bad leaders we have right now. All for US business and US interests. Not just in Mexico but allso in all of Latin America, Africa, Asia, Middle East, ETC...
jedivolks 1 year ago
we all know that we need to change our life style, but using socialism-comunism speeches again is just an insult. Chavez is a dictator, he tolerates no opposition, look "lista de tascon in youtube, corruption "caso del maletin PDVSA", socialist banks going bankrupt during chavez? haha, judicial and legislative powers are a joke, no real independence, and saying that capitalists are the only ones who pollute is a lie, communists can pollute big time! that is a fact!! do some research!!
tevamosajoder 1 year ago
@tevamosajoder Yeah, but people pollute and consume like pigs in a capitalist nation. You do your research too. The amount the US polluts and consumes compated to say north Korea for example is probobly quadripple. half or more than half of the worlds cars are owned by Americans. China is close to the US in polluters only because of its major population. but if they both had about the same number of citizens-then the story would be different.
jedivolks 1 year ago
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La verdad es que un país socialista puede ser igual de contaminador como uno capitalista. Chávez trata de resolver los problemas mundiales pero no puede resolver problemas nacionales. La inflación más alta de latinoamérica 30%, 2 devaluaciones de la moneda, altisima criminalidad, discriminación política (ver lista de tascón youtube), corrupción (caso maletín Pdvsa), dedocracia por encima de la soberanía popular (caso Antonio Ledezman alcalde mayor), CHÁVEZ FUERA!
tevamosajoder 2 years ago
Chávez es un populista, todo se queda en discurso, Chávez trata de resolver los problemas mundiales pero no puede resolver problemas nacionales. La inflación más alta de latinoamérica 30%, 2 devaluaciones de la moneda, altisima criminalidad, discriminación política (ver lista de tascón youtube), corrupción (caso maletín Pdvsa), dedocracia por encima de la soberanía popular caso Antonio Ledezman alcalde mayor, CHÁVEZ FUERA!
elachechino 2 years ago
al fin alguien que dice algo inteligente !
GRACIAS !
sjmunoz 2 years ago
Ah si, y antes Venezuela era un paraíso... En los 90s 30% de inflación era la normalidad en Venezuela... Y mejor no hablar de criminalidad cuando en Latino-América hay países en guerra civil como México y Colombia y un golpe en Honduras. Seguro, sin contexto puedes criticar, pero con el justo contexto histórico y mundial la prospectiva es diferente.
DonVoghano 1 year ago 3
Este payaso nunca gane el Premio Nobel.
dthdc4 2 years ago
he is lecturing on free speech. This is the worlds biggest hypocrite.
machidafan 2 years ago
VIVA HUGO CHAVEZ!
fuck criminals made in usa! fuck obama! terrorists!
gemarcher83 2 years ago
chavez is a rare case, he is one of the few politicians who have enough balls to stand up against capitalism. the fat cats are getting fatter people need to wake up.
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
I dont understand how come he confront capitalism while he still feed it with petrolium?... why not incentivate the farm sector so we could export a quality product to: 1. Not depend so much on a nonrenewable resource; and 2. Dramatically reduce the air polution in the production of pretolium. So we could make a real use of 3. Not feed capitalism!. I'd like to get a real answer please, not insults or downrate the comment... i mean, my fact has a point, what do you think about it?.
squall747 2 years ago
umm habla espa;ol si haci lo preferis.
1. la verdad es que es muy dificil encontrar una fuente alterna de energia, y no hay voluntad de el otro bando de buscar fuentes alternas
2. no soy experto en la quimica de el refinamiento del petroleo, pero supongo que ha de ser dificil alterar los procesos
3. la manera mas rapida para avansar es dandole facilidades el capitalismo, y que sufran la ironia de que su dinero sea mas tarde usado en su contra
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
Me alegro que seas de habla hispana: Pues bien, yo no me refiero a solucionar el problema energetico mundial, solo a la forma de obterner divisas al pais, es decir: En venezuela no producimos el petroleo, lo extraemos y exportamos (en el exterior lo transforman), asi q realment no lo usamos (nostros) como energia, sino como ingreso, en ese sentido mi punto seria cambiar ese ingreso x otro, como colombia cuya 1r producto es el cafe. Y así automatico colaboramos con mi punto 2.. y por ultimo...
squall747 2 years ago
mira, no podes correr antes de caminar, pues es lo mismo, conseguir y desarollar la macinaria que se requiere para fabricar compuestos quimicos de tal complejidad. y el resto de los medios de produccion de Venezuela se estan apoyando en el petroleo para poder experimentar algo de desarollo.
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
Existe un error en tu afirmación y es el hecho que el aparato productor interno venezolano tiene destinado la inmensa mayoria de las ganancias obtenidas en al ambito petrolero. Es decir, no existe un verdadero desarrollo de la agricultura, mas bien ha decaido y de eso puedes tener constancia en cualquier fuente de información. Hasta el mismo presidente lo admite, claro, diciendo "hay que mejorarlo" pero al tanto es que no se ve ninguna mejora, sino deterioro, ya en 12 años de gobierno.
squall747 2 years ago
...por ultimo, no entiendo tu teoría respecto al capitalismo. Es irónico decir que para matar a alguien de hambre, hay que darle un banquete hasta que reventar?.
squall747 2 years ago
no le estas dando un festin a nadie, venden gasolina pero ganan dinero, y lo venden mas caro que el costo de extraccion osea que al final venezuela sale ganando, de hecho es la econmia de mayor crecimiento en sur america.
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
Nuevamente incurres en otro error, y es el hecho de que, y esto no viene de ahora de éste gobierno sino desde que nació la venezuela petrolera, si bien existe un margen de ganancia; la reventa de los productos ya transformados y derivados del petroleo que exportamos terminan generando un gasto superior que nadie calcula. Ahora bien a lo 2do, depende de tu defición de desarrollo, puesto q existen muchas clases del mismo... quiza haya un desarrollo desd el punto de vista internacional ya que...
squall747 2 years ago
...ya que c ha hecho una figura publica este sujeto (mala propaganda pero propaganda al fin) y quiza "nos puso n mapa" x asi decirlo (aunq no de la forma q me hubiese gustado). Pero en el ambito cultural decaimos. Vzla no era un pais dond facciones politicas se odiaban a muerte como se puede palpar en el dia a dia,ni existia clasismo ni racismo al nivel que aunq poco, existe hoy por hoy. En el sentido Económico hay una supuesta "mejora" pues las ganancias petroleras estan mas elevadas que.
squall747 2 years ago
enrealidad Chavez en si no hiso la mala propaganda, enrealidad hasta conosco estado unidenses que admiran a Chavez no por fanatismo sino por las acciones que toma, chavez tiene mala publicidad gracias a los individuos de ultra derecha que son due;os de medios de comunicacion. y en cuanto a las facciones, el clasismo siempre ha existido, si sos de clase media ya sea baja o alta los mas probable es que no te des cuenta. y en cuanto al racismolos indios siempre han sido discriminados por el gob....
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
por el gobierno, en realidad es en lo extremo dificil que alguien de desendencia india quede para un buen puesto, si te das cuenta el indio ha sido visto como inerior desde siempre, pero siempre los que estan encontra de alguien le hechan el muerto a esa persona..
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
venezuela tiene uno de los programas mas avanzados de desarrollos de derivados del petroleo, de hecho me dijeron que estan haciendo casas de derivados del petroleo, o me mintieron? y la reforma agraria de venezuela es en lo extremo inovadora, hasta ha sido usado por los paisese centroamericanos como modelo a seguir. para mi esa reforma es clara evidencia de desarollo.
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
... elevadas que nunca; aún así no existen implementos en los hospitales publicos, la inseguridad ha aumentado considerablemente (admitido x el mismo president), las cifras de mortandad se han elevado x encima de paises en actual guerra (revisa los numeros en paginas del gobierno), aumento el costo de la cesta básica y entre muchisimas otras cosas, la reciente Devaluación de la moneda q nunk, jamás en la historia ha significado nada bueno. Es decir, el dinero entra en un bolsillo sin fin.
squall747 2 years ago
el deterioro es a nivel mundial, todods los paises estan sufriendo deterioro, osea que no culpes al politico a cargo a menos que tengas evidencia concreta de que es culpa del politico a cargo, osea facturas, cuentas y tambien que sean de fuentes confiables e inparciales, en caso de que no tengas evidencia deberas de decir supongo que el problema es el politico
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
Lamento ser tan insistente pero m urge q personas pensante como usted sten al tanto d la vrdadera realidad venezolana q muy pocas prsonas quieren ver,otras tantas no la quieren aceptar, muchos otros la ignoran,algunos la quieren tapar y los que la ven,no pretenden hacr nada. Creame de corazon cuando le digo q cada vez la vida aca es mas y mas dificil, y q bien puede chavez hablar bonito, ser carismatico y pretender ser la voz del pueblo dl mundo. Pero la realidad s muy diferent.Salu2 bnasnchs.
squall747 2 years ago
mira, yo soy una persona objetiva y como tal tomo tu punto de vista en cuenta, y veo que es relativamente conservador, yo soy de izquierda por los hechos, las bases de la filosofia conservadora es conservar las cosas como estan y experimentar la menor cantidad de cambios posibles, viendolo de un punto de vista historico esto solo ha probocado retrasos en el avanze de el hombre como especie. yo soy un izquierdista con endencias socialistas, y como se que el socialismo es efiquaz? investigue la...
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
situacion de paises tales como suecia, holanda, espa;a, noruega, dinamarca entre otros, y tambien la de USA y conclui de que el capitalismo no es tan eficaz como el socialismo, hecho en base a puntos concret tales como el indice de literacia, salud, felicidad, y tazas de crimenes, de esa manera conclui que el socialismo es mejor, quien no me crea que haga la investigacion que yo hice de manera objetiva e imparcial...
tumaieslaflaca 2 years ago
Me parece que estas cifras son de tu propia creación puesto que me comparas dichos paises con otros que no me has nombrado, solo concluyes que es mejor por tu propia tendencia política. Y si por ultimo concluyes q para demostrar mi punto tengo q dart pruebas concretas, bien podria yo someterte al mismo criterio, probando en denfensa que tu punto de vista es certero. Los programas q nombrastes Petrocasa y de agricultura estan mayoritariamente paralizados y parcializados.
squall747 2 years ago
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Hugo is a hypocrite
k3304 2 years ago
jealous :) Im venezuelan and we all hate him here, I don't know why people think that he reflects our thoughts, we don't think like him, he is the only one that hates obama here LOL he does whatever he wants, I hate him
vero1693 2 years ago
Let me ask you 2 questions, i hope you will answer them straight-forward.
Are you HONESTLY, lower, middle or higher class in Venezuela?:
What is your job?:
Gufberg 2 years ago 2
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Gufberg, why don't you learn from the real people on this thread from Venezuela who will tell you how f--ked up it is there ?
k3304 2 years ago
by 'real people' you mean those supporting your point of view. A classic fascist way of thinking. I believe you're not worth another word from me, really.
Gufberg 2 years ago
@Gufberg , no i just mean the people who actually live in Caracus. Anyway, if you don't want to discuss and be close minded, well, that's par for the course of the left. Silence the opposition, huh ?
k3304 2 years ago
There is nothing to be said, proof is out there, just get a day or two if you are really interested and learn by yourself whats really going on in our country. If you speak/understand spanish... watch several interviews and make ur own opinion. Chavez truly is a great speaker and he is very charismatic... however... so was hittler. Just focus on what he says in the political context and you will see he is full with contradictions and lies. Just check it out my friend. Good luck.
squall747 2 years ago
Unfortunatly i do not understand spanish. But i will try to look more into Chavez, his retheoric - cant spell that - and see if i can find contradictions.
I have researched him before, but you're right, i should prolly do so again. Outdated info, is irrellevant info afterall :)
Gufberg 2 years ago
And what is the importance of your class in the nd?.There is a reality nd that reality affect everyone in the same way. 4 example. Lets suppose the goverment help low class ppl and make it harder to high lvl class ppl. In d economy system its proven that high class tends to propotionate the best source 4 jobs and well.. i agree that you middle in d checking that one doesnt violent others rights but in d end... if you make a rich more poor.... youll end up making the poor way more poor!. Think.
squall747 2 years ago
I see you have no greater knowledge of how the free market works. For this system to be maintained - corporations earning billions, and us being able to buy cheap made-in-china towels - we need to exploit someone. Someone HAS to suffer for this system, its pure logic.
And the 3rd world suffers for this, it has nothing to do with stupidity. Tell me, are they stupid because corporate america exploits them?. No. Your hypothesis is busted.
Your last comment however, i do like. I will do that.
Gufberg 2 years ago
My dear friend you are explaining the way the free market works for YOUR country :) and of course it doesnt work the same way for others cuz no every country has the same priorites... for example... who would be those africa explode to? the "free market", or even their economy work just in a different way it would to usa. Now if you checked what r our prior you would understand and see the why of my prev comment. That is something most of our best economist always talk about. Good luck!.
squall747 2 years ago
oh and u should check a previous comment scroll down about my point to the usa. Its kinda of what you say, only when i say goverment (it would be and their corpotations). But then again we're in different economical priorities.
squall747 2 years ago
Wake up Venezuela :).
NoMemory 2 years ago
id rather live in usa
jamesgambino 2 years ago
Now i dont agree with you. If ur venezuelan and oposition, you should be ashamed... Usa is not the best of the goverment to be honest... cuz they step on anyone as long as they take care of their own interest, and am aware of what they doing not only venezuela but south america countries, but still you cant blame inner problems ALL to them cuz... if ur corrupt, then first stop robbing ur own money and then start doing something about it!
squall747 2 years ago
El pueblo unido jamás será vencido. o a chavez no se va!!!!!
horlock91 2 years ago
Chavez improved our standard of living.
HailRasec 2 years ago
You've gotta be kidding me. We have electricity problems, water problems, extremely high insecurity, and he has improved our standard of living??
Pyrobon 2 years ago
@Pyrobon no seas pendejo, el mundo esta pasando por una crisis climatica ahora mismo, lo mas logico es que racionen electricidad y agua, en sur america hay sequias mientras que asia, el norte y europa se congelan....
Mike1245690 2 years ago
@Mike1245690 ¿Disculpa? ¿Estás relacionando la crisis climática con el nivel de racionamiento que se llegó en Venezuela? Este es un problema que tenía años reportandose y nadie hizo nada al respecto para prevenirlo en nuestro país. Somos uno de los países con mayor capacidad para generar energía, no se justifica un racionamiento de 4 horas interdiario a nivel nacional. De hecho, el plan fue tan desastroso que por eso tuvieron que cancelarlo. Demasiada ingenuidad...
Pyrobon 2 years ago
@Pyrobon Tienes razón sobre las sequías, desde hace tiempo que se habla de eso pero ¿qué quieres decir con ''nadie hizo nada al respecto para prevenirlo''?, deberías saber que no se pueden predecir sequías ¿entendí mal?. El guri genera la mayor parte de la energía de Venezuela, ¿como se va a generar energía si no llueve?. Lo de Caracas fue desastroso por eso el racionamiento fue suspendido y despidieron al ministro de energía, a partir del lunes va a ser de 2 horas
Mike1245690 2 years ago
I guess that's why you now have planned blackouts for the first time in your history. *claps*
brandinem 2 years ago 2
where r you from?... are there programmed blackouts in your country too? cuz the climate is affecting everyone in the world... still not all countries have them programmed. Reason?.. a better plannification.
squall747 2 years ago
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No mundo aparece,,,, monstros como os terroristas,,,,Assasinos como Fidel Castro, idiotas como o Hugo Chaveco. Tiranos como Hitler, Stalin,,,,, mas em compensacao, aparece um como o Divaldo Pereira Franco, Chico Xavier
betopernambuco 2 years ago
chavez is brave n isnt scared n will never sell out like barack oflawma , personally i think obama wants to appease to the right wing n lobbiest groups for the first four years n than get reelected 2nd term n do sum actual work , but who knows? as for chavez , hes a hero ! hes given solidarity to palestinians when the whole world is scared of the zionist imperiaists , n reduced poverty in venuezvela amazingly , n the literac y rate too , socialism is improving lives , capitalism only exploits
hotchoccolate23 2 years ago 4
Hahah... you my friend, there is no case in arguing with you. You have no idea whats happening in your surrounds. I bid you to check real information.
squall747 2 years ago
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Venezuela kidnaps Americans for ransom
k3304 2 years ago
@k3304 Making a statement that Venezuela kidnaps Americans for ranson says all Venezuelans are responsible. I guess no different from the USA holding the rest of the world in economic ransom...
khaert 2 years ago 3
agreed.
17masonry 2 years ago 3
I agree with u USA goverment have serveral flaws. MOst of them mess my country. But still there are way too much other inner problems that you could only check and feel when you go to market this week and the next one u spend more money and have less products... among other situations. Anyway.. the fact that choise A doesnt work, doesnt mean B is the right one.. if both suck, they both suck and thats it. Hey... (as an hilarous comment) why dont we trade presidents for next 12 years? ;)
squall747 2 years ago
???????????????
gerardovelasquez 2 years ago
c'mom ppl, thiz is the guy.
polaricemen 2 years ago
... thats is killing his own country only to get some "participation" in the international face.
squall747 2 years ago
What do you know about his internal affairs, ProYankees had their chance Before and they put the poverty on 80%, with him, and ProSocialist agenda, he reduce till 23% and going down, unemployment from 20% to 5% and Going down, FREE Education yes u can be Engineer Without paying a cent, FREE Health Care, no Tax end of Year 4 workers, "0" analphabets and he expend around 65% from income To Social Programs, what can u know about it? whos diying by him? ignorant.
polaricemen 2 years ago 42
What do i know about his internal affairs?.. are u kidding me right? I AM venezuelan & i live in my country!. & all of those numbers your spitting are just d echoes of ur president lies, & definetly dont feel d surroundings? less poverty?, more job? did u just really said that only 5% of capable population doesnt have a job? r you... mad?. & d FREE things always existed, its called public college and hospitals,& they are NOT recieving that 65% u so talk about, they decay. Who's d real ignorant?
squall747 2 years ago
Chavez, as shady as he is, has done better than those pro-US sell-outs who destroyed Latin America for decades. Sure you have every right to criticize his personalization of power but at least he's using the petrodollars for something other than villas in Miami. Did you expect Caracas to become London in 10 years? Venezuela has long standing historical problems created by US colonialism and local corruption that will take decades of work to fix.
DonVoghano 1 year ago 42
@DonVoghano Hey.... the Spanish, English and the French destroyed latin America. The U.S. didn't bring the cross of Christianity to that land. Those eurodrones installed that technology. LOOK! see what we brought YOU! Kinda like that! Get off the U.S. hating shit with all this subterfuge.
dorksayswhat 10 months ago
@dorksayswhat Haha you give too much weight to the "gift" of Christianity, although it certainly was part of the cultural Armageddon of the Americas. The Europeans bear the responsibility for all the colonial atrocities in Latin America pretty much up to the 1800s and certainly set the stage for future abuses, but as soon as the US were done with the most massive genocide in human history, they proudly, and quite outspokenly, took over that tradition of oppression for the following 200 years.
DonVoghano 10 months ago
@DonVoghano We really don't know if the U.S. instituted the largest mass genocide in human history. For a fact at least 250 million have starved to death in Africa in the last 60 years while the world stood by and watched it happen. But I guess that wasn't direct intervention or the lack of. Everybody is a wolf in this game. None no better than the rest. Hugo is no exception.
dorksayswhat 9 months ago
@dorksayswhat There are degrees of bad, it's important to make a distinction or we can never have any progress anywhere. And there is actual policy on the ground with measurable outcomes. Fact is that US puppets in the region are not looking any better, indeed they are looking far worse even after all the Venezuela bashing and the praising of the fantastic teletubbie democrats that rule failed states like Colombia or Mexico. These are dark days for freedom.
DonVoghano 9 months ago
@dorksayswhat Now I was not attempting to do any US hating or other such idiotic proto-nazi nationalistic concepts, I was simply stating the fact that the modern history of Venezuela has been dominated by US colonialism - and you can verify that independently since the sources are readily available - and that Chavez is a first, imperfect attempt at changing that sorry fact. If you wanna go further down in history I'll be glad to do so.
DonVoghano 10 months ago
@DonVoghano Hugo crossed him self. So he has been indoctrinated by the technology that was delivered to that land long before America. What is more powerful.... the U.S. foreign policy or the GOD before him. What has changed the land scape or geopolitics more than Christianity? Maybe the sail boats that delivered that technology. You have nothing historically more powerful or influential than that! You really have to look at history in the physical sense to understand those social changes.
dorksayswhat 9 months ago
@polaricemen We desperatly need a Mexican Hugo Chavez!!:)
jedivolks 1 year ago
@polaricemen
Dude everyone in Venezuela is poor. There is no wealth in that country.. Not to say that Chavez isn't well intentioned but his policy is WRONG.. If you want to praise a south American leader who did it the righ way it's Lula of Brazil.. That's a real economy where people have real wealth amd higher standard of living.. IN venezuela the currency is completely devalued, MASSIVE shortages.. Once the oil prices comes down the entire country will be bankrupt.
xMaXiMuSx 6 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx Said the yankee, who COULD only dream of the wealth Venezuelans have!!! They may not have the newest jeans, but they are clothed! They may not have the latest special "X-shaped" cereals but they are fed! They may not earn as much as you but they get by and they're happy! Now go back whatever yankee stadion village you came from and stay there, Venezuelans are proud of Chavez( great majority atleast!) Their socialist system is something your nation can only dream of!
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
lol I like Chavez, he is well intentioned.. he has NOT solved Venezuela's poverty problems.. HE should ask Lula in Brazil how to fix a crappy economy.. That man did it the right way..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx Perhaps not, but he's certainly better than ANY colonial force occupying Venezulea! The country may have its issues, BUT (!!!) he is at this very moment investing with the current oil revenues (which are enormous given the high market prices!). It may not have been with the same results as Libya, but they're on the right track, I expect them to be 'developed' in the upcomming 10 years. As for Brazil; you can't compare that kind of diverse economy to oil exporting economy of Venezuela.
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
"As for Brazil; you can't compare that kind of diverse economy to oil exporting economy of Venezuela."
Exactly.. That's the point.. brazil has a free market capitalistic economy(minus the goverment/wall street looting that we have here in the US) that allows the diverse economy to be created because of etnerpreanurship...
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx Wrong! Venezuela doesn't have the same resources like Brazil ! Venezuela is better off with the socialist model, a capitalist model would be devastating for its economy due to its primary resource being oil (and transport services but not much) In 10 years free education/healthcare will still survive PS; USA drove the oil price up with their consumerism , so who's to blame for more expensive way of life? Sigh at Neo liberals...
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
I'm no NEO-liberal, I hate those lozers..
Socialism,Capitalism.. Vary ambigous terms.. venezuela has never had a capitalist model, they had a fascist model before Chavez but oh well.. US did NOT drove up oil prices with consumerism.. Price of oil is the same today as it has ever been.. The value of paper money has gone down.. But price is still the same in real money(gold).. God you are clueless indeed..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx Interesting, I didn't know the world currency was GOLD, anyways your ass is clueless. PS the fact that you think USA hasn't had influence on the price of oil is understatement of the year! The lower the value of the dollar (something Saoedi Arabia doesn't like!), the higher the price of oil! PS; USA's horrendous consumerism+ thirst for oil along with your crappy ass value actually allowed inflation to creep in! Thus creating a mess on the the markets for basic necessity! Dumbass :)
janjan55555 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx "While the US accounts for only 5 percent of the world's population, it consumes 25 percent of the world's fossil fuel-based energy." Euhm... Pathetic! Should oil producers demand euros, dinars or precious metals in payment for their product, the decline in the US dollar will accelerate while the price of precious metals explodes= bye bye crappy ass US dollar, it's worthless as it is right now!
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
exactly the dollar is crappy.. that's why the oil prices is high.. It has nothing to do with "consumerism" you f ucking idiot.. you proved my point.. the rest of the world should consume more because there is oil all over the planet..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx SO you don't think despite having a crappy currency that the Demand for oil has NO influence at all ? If you think it's MERELY because of the devaluation of the dollar that we see these insanely high prices on the oil market, then I think a course of macro economics would be best suited for you. It's interlinked actually, your domestic demand for oil simply accelerates the aforementioned effect. Don't lecture me about the laws of Demand and Supply.
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
Demands meants nothing... it's about supply.. Anyone can demand anything.. I'm demanding a huge 8 room house but there is no one supplying it to me at a price I can afford it..
Of coures there is other factors in the price of oil but devalutation o the dollar is a big part of it..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx You're just carrying the water for neo liberals ("Bushonomics") who are firm believers of DEMAND economy;1. The upcomming succes of India and China which creates a rise in oilprice 2.high prices -> more exploration -> but still no increased supply -> high prices 3.high prices -> lower demand-> but depletion continues -> still high prices. Voila a couple of key principles regarding supply /demand+Oil!
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
Like I said, I hate neoliberals and no.. It's not Chinese demand that creates the increase in oil prices you fool..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx I have heard enough, come back when you earned your masters in economics =) Bye bye for now
janjan55555 5 months ago
@janjan55555
ahahhaha.. When the Chinese depag from the dollar, their oi price will be CHEAP.. ahah you obviously know nothing but anyone who idolizes chavez from an economic point of view is strictly misinformed..
xMaXiMuSx 5 months ago
@xMaXiMuSx I never said I 'idolize' Chavez, I am just of the (realistic) opinion that Venezuela IS better of with a socialist system than a capitalist system. Look at their role-model Cuba, where America has tried SEVERAL times to overthrow the government and they are nowhere near the healthcare Cuba has to offer to its Cubans(life expectance just as high as a person living in Washington)! Not every country has to be capitalistic like yours, accept that in 10 years socialism will still survive.
janjan55555 5 months ago
Obama the puppet deployed 30K more troops. Sigh***
HailRasec 2 years ago 4
This was nothing short of beauty. Hugo Chavez is such a charizmatic figure in our modern time, but somehow seems to go unknown to many in the US. "He's still around?" folks I know asked. I worry for the future of Venezuela, with their oil reserves, and the nearly depleted fields across the globe. I fear for the amount of time they have left, before we go in to get it, likely by any means necessary. Thanks, Mr. Chavez for your inspiration to the young people of today. I will stand up for you.
gH0stGuard 2 years ago
@gH0stGuard , Chavez is a bully, a murderer and censors newpapers and TV stations who don't agree with his dictatorship. Gee Whiz your paranoid about oil & natural gas reserves, in fact check out the price of nat gas, it's down over 50% because of oversupply. Relax there's plenty of fields out there !!
k3304 2 years ago
@k3304 "a bully, a murderer and a censor"...who does this sound like? Would you like a list? Relate that to the conditions we live in. Paranoid? Not me. Realistic? Definitely. You really think we care about the politics of the mid. east? Well, yes, but not if they couldn't benefit US in some major way. Liquid natural gas is down over 50% huh? 50% from what? Not down 15% from 15 years ago, before we really got our hands dirty in that region.
gH0stGuard 2 years ago
Oh my god, you have no idea of the context of your words. First... he IS a bully, murderer and censor. He constantly rape our constitution. He leaded armies (retired soldier) and he been in paramilitarism (in his own words) and he has killed ppl with his own hands (by his own words!) nice 1 for a president right?.. now imagine a killer with oil money and power of a country?. An he is a censor, he shutted down a channel of ancient for no reason even when it was on cable!.
squall747 2 years ago
And the "i dont care.. well i do cae if i have a bennefit"... man, you definetly have no heart at all... i hope not all american people think the same way. PPL is dying because of it!!! even your own!!! so.. u either open and study some books or you shut up and have some respect for reality!.
squall747 2 years ago
@k3304 Why do you think that our administration was so quick to assure that there was no reason to assume environmental damage from drilling in wildlife refuges in Alaska and Canada, and to maintain this self-admittedly "extremely hazardous" pipeline to bring it through sensitive areas, and near communities? Near rivers where a leak would devastate the whole coastline? Remember exxon? Think of that as a pin prick. Venezuela wouldn't need a pipeline. They don't have a huge military.
gH0stGuard 2 years ago
ghost, to tell you the truth i own a Cannondale mountain bike that i ride everywhere, even in January. And i just came home from work on the transit bus. And i also believe in recycling. But, running out of oil is so 70's dude.
k3304 2 years ago
@k3304 So 70's? Right...Welcome to 2010 where we grown 70% of our energy and the rest is super-safe nuke plants. The only thing that's 70's is your view of what 2010 will be. I have the Pop. Sci mags that would have told me how superior we would be by 1995. What did we get? The scroll wheel on my mouse!! Wow, way better than a flying car.
gH0stGuard 2 years ago