Congratulations Peggy! You've officially qualified for your own corner in Hell. When Satan's minions are pulling your flesh apart and holding your feet to the fire, I'll make sure to just keep walkin by. Cause you know, thats what you would do.
I wish someone would just walk Noonan to the gallows with the rest of the traitors and economic scum. "No, No, peggy just keep walking you have an appointment with the hangman." Piece of gaseous excrement.
Torture is not "policy". It is simply torture. This is not a policy disagreement, where reasonable people can disagree. Waterboarding is torture, and torture is wrong. Heinously wrong.
Both parties are in this together. Both want the police state when *they* are in control of it but whine about it when the other party is in control. So prosecute the swine who caused the torture for, well, torture. Then prosecute those whose policy is to "look forward" for obstruction of justice.
@sdkee Waterboarding is NOT torture, anyone who thinks it is is fooling themselves. It gets so old hearing these emotional effeminate arguments against waterboarding. Here's hoping someone in YOUR family benefits from this 'torture'. Sick minded individual.
Well, the Inquisition (of Torquemada fame) called it the "water torture". Who do you want to believe, the lying propagandist who told you this, or the Inquisition (who knew something about torture)?
@sdkee Well I'm not sure that Toerquemada is the final authority on 'water torture' and I don't believe it was the same procedure. Strange you would make that comparison. No, I have, unlike you, done the research on it, read up on it, and it just doesn't rise to the level of torture. Neither does playing loud music. It just doesn't make sense to say that it is. I know you are in the habit of calling anyone who disagrees a liar, idiot, etc, but it's not convincing. Nice try. Torquemada wtf
So the Inquisition was regulating its own behavior on this ground because IT considered it torture, but you don't.
OK. Give my your address. Once you have proven your intent to undergo the experiment, I will come to your place of residence, at my own expense, and waterboard you. I will ask you to confess that you killed JFK.
@sdkee Do we normally look to the inquisition for guidance in any area? Were the inquisitors right in their religious beliefs? Were they right to persecute people? According to your bizarre reasoning, they must have been correct, because they said so. Think a little bit, please! Sorry but your statement doesn't make sense. Furthermore, by your 'logic', YOU will have to undergo waterboarding to have a valid opinion that it is NOT torture. See how that works??
> Do we normally look to the inquisition for guidance in any area?
I don't but you apparently do.
I'll say again: If you don't believe that the crime called the water torture by Torquemada is actually torture, then give me your details and a signed release and I'll try it on you. We'll see how it goes. Maybe it's not torture. Or maybe I can get you to say that your wife and kids are mass murderers and get you to sign a confession to such.
@sdkee You've really veered off into nonsense-land here. Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I don't believe it's torture? Makes NO sense whatsoever. You've never undergone it either, so you would have to undergo the 'torture' to prove it is torture. Do you seriously not understand that? Self righteous weirdo.
Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I don't believe it's torture?
Because you don't see the torture in it.
So what is your definition of "torture"? I revise my challenge: I will pay you to come to my residence and be locked into a 6'x6' cage until I let you out. I select the music. You will have no hope of legal redress. Is this better for you?
If you prefer the waterboard challenge, I will still do that.
@sdkee Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I DON'T think it's torture? See, by your logic, a person cannot have an opinion either way without undergoing the 'torture'. Not sure if you skipped college or what, but you are really dense.
Well, we have a disagreement about whether it is actually torture or not. I merely propose that you put your money where your mouth is and see if you can take it. If you can get through it without admitting that you personally killed JFK then you're right. Merely a simple experiment.
I think we both know how it would turn out. You'd be strapped to a board coughing up water and selling your own children to me if that is what you thought would make me stop.
@sdkee I just don't think so. It's simulated drowning. If you know you're not going to be drowned before hand I can't see it being as bad as they say. However, christopher hitchens claims it is torture. Bring it on I'll do it. Where do you live let's get this thing settled.
You're aware that this would involve being blindfolded and strapped down to a board and tilted backwards. After you exhaled, water would be poured onto your mouth and face. Water would pool in your nasal cavity and mouth. To avoid breathing the water you would try to swallow it. The CIA uses saline solution so you don't get hyponatremia. It is standard practice to have a tracheotomy and resuscitation stuff handy. CIA uses 40s of continuous pouring, six times in an hour.
@sdkee Of course they have medical instruments handy, that signifies nothing. Not sure I agree with your description, as there obviously different ways to administer the treatment. Anyway, what's your address, get the stuff ready and I'll come over and you can waterboard me I want to get this over with, prove you wrong and get on with my life.
Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out. Andrew Jackson
And AnD ...And many Japanese were hung for authorizing water boarding.And what country wanted the hangings?-3 hints,no guesses-Uncle Sam, Yankee Doodle, United States of America-- Answer-Answer USA is a country :^)
Notice same old shills, hacks and hags,spuing the same old sugar coating political crap? :^(
@MrGrevy -Are you Ashkenazi or Shepardick? 90% of so called Jews are Ashkenazies.Nazi term was coined from the most feared Eastern European(Russioan) tribe called Ashenazi. Who converted to the Heb faih in 720 AD.
Hitler's controllers were Jews just as are USA's both major parties. I call them AIPAC but really should be--New-Nazi party of USi
@GBZ10TROY No, YOU are a traitor for supporting leftist idiots trying to prosecute a former President because of bitterness and anger. You should be ashamed.
I'm a veteran. I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America. Not to any person, congressperson, senator or president. Traitors are traitors.
where was the "just walk away" when the republican congress spent millions of dollars and 3 years prosecuting Bill Clinton for a blowjob? George W. Bush is responsible for torture and spying on Americans... maybe he should have just gotten a blow job ... he'd be in prison right now.
@asaturn It was not a blow job, it was perjury my uninformed, dishonest, intellectually challenged friend. Get it right. Obama is using the same policies as Bush, so grow up.
Is this woman not insane?? "Hey America, just keep walking... nothing to see here" this is exactly whats wrong with the world... people in power do something illegal and immoral and they just ask people to not care and look the other way... and like little sheep, they do as they are told... I'm happy those memos got released, although i doubt anything will come of it... people will just keep walking and look the other way, as usual.
@MrGrevy It's not a Hitler reference. It's a reference to those who argued that we should just "move on" from the atrocities of the Holocaust and not bring it out into the open with a trial.
Which is the same argument we're hearing from Peggy here. She should be ashamed of herself.
@MrGrevy If the Obama administration refused to prosecute the Bush administration for the use of torture, why would you ever expect a future administration to prosecute Obama officials?
This era began when Ford let Nixon skate. People with Noonan's "walk away" attitude are the centrist middle in America.
This rivals the absolute worst of what I've read and heard from Peggy Noonan before, and for someone as infuriating as her that's a real accomplishment. She's so awful.
The Elian being supported by dolphins, for instance. The "it would be irresponsible not to speculate" classic. Every inane word she put in Ronald Reagan's mouth.
Some of life has to be mysterious? Unbelievable.
katards 1 year ago
isnt it great living in an empire
david1965af 1 year ago
I love it how no matter what Peggy talks about, she talks like she is in some International Foods Flavored coffee commercial.
chrismanxxx 1 year ago
@MrGrevy I don't even know what you're replying to... youtube is the worst place to discuss politics, but you already know that!
asaturn 1 year ago
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asaturn 1 year ago
Congratulations Peggy! You've officially qualified for your own corner in Hell. When Satan's minions are pulling your flesh apart and holding your feet to the fire, I'll make sure to just keep walkin by. Cause you know, thats what you would do.
swedishrhapsody 2 years ago
@swedishrhapsody What should bush be prosecuted for?? He didn't break the law.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
This is one of Peggy Noonan's thousand points of stupidity.
bubba5000 2 years ago
Peggy Noonan has no credibility.
floatingcapital 2 years ago
Every one of these scumbag corporate media whores is either a Fascist Nazi, or a Fascist Nazi apologist.
gt40f 2 years ago
@gt40f Yeah Nazis! Great argument you low iq twit.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
I wish someone would just walk Noonan to the gallows with the rest of the traitors and economic scum. "No, No, peggy just keep walking you have an appointment with the hangman." Piece of gaseous excrement.
biped19 2 years ago
Torture is not "policy". It is simply torture. This is not a policy disagreement, where reasonable people can disagree. Waterboarding is torture, and torture is wrong. Heinously wrong.
Both parties are in this together. Both want the police state when *they* are in control of it but whine about it when the other party is in control. So prosecute the swine who caused the torture for, well, torture. Then prosecute those whose policy is to "look forward" for obstruction of justice.
sdkee 2 years ago
@sdkee Waterboarding is NOT torture, anyone who thinks it is is fooling themselves. It gets so old hearing these emotional effeminate arguments against waterboarding. Here's hoping someone in YOUR family benefits from this 'torture'. Sick minded individual.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
Well, the Inquisition (of Torquemada fame) called it the "water torture". Who do you want to believe, the lying propagandist who told you this, or the Inquisition (who knew something about torture)?
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee Well I'm not sure that Toerquemada is the final authority on 'water torture' and I don't believe it was the same procedure. Strange you would make that comparison. No, I have, unlike you, done the research on it, read up on it, and it just doesn't rise to the level of torture. Neither does playing loud music. It just doesn't make sense to say that it is. I know you are in the habit of calling anyone who disagrees a liar, idiot, etc, but it's not convincing. Nice try. Torquemada wtf
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
So the Inquisition was regulating its own behavior on this ground because IT considered it torture, but you don't.
OK. Give my your address. Once you have proven your intent to undergo the experiment, I will come to your place of residence, at my own expense, and waterboard you. I will ask you to confess that you killed JFK.
I only ask an few hours of your time.
Let us see if it is really torture,
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee Do we normally look to the inquisition for guidance in any area? Were the inquisitors right in their religious beliefs? Were they right to persecute people? According to your bizarre reasoning, they must have been correct, because they said so. Think a little bit, please! Sorry but your statement doesn't make sense. Furthermore, by your 'logic', YOU will have to undergo waterboarding to have a valid opinion that it is NOT torture. See how that works??
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
> Do we normally look to the inquisition for guidance in any area?
I don't but you apparently do.
I'll say again: If you don't believe that the crime called the water torture by Torquemada is actually torture, then give me your details and a signed release and I'll try it on you. We'll see how it goes. Maybe it's not torture. Or maybe I can get you to say that your wife and kids are mass murderers and get you to sign a confession to such.
Let's try.
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee You've really veered off into nonsense-land here. Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I don't believe it's torture? Makes NO sense whatsoever. You've never undergone it either, so you would have to undergo the 'torture' to prove it is torture. Do you seriously not understand that? Self righteous weirdo.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I don't believe it's torture?
Because you don't see the torture in it.
So what is your definition of "torture"? I revise my challenge: I will pay you to come to my residence and be locked into a 6'x6' cage until I let you out. I select the music. You will have no hope of legal redress. Is this better for you?
If you prefer the waterboard challenge, I will still do that.
Let me know when you accept.
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee Why would I need to undergo water 'torture' simply because I DON'T think it's torture? See, by your logic, a person cannot have an opinion either way without undergoing the 'torture'. Not sure if you skipped college or what, but you are really dense.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
Well, we have a disagreement about whether it is actually torture or not. I merely propose that you put your money where your mouth is and see if you can take it. If you can get through it without admitting that you personally killed JFK then you're right. Merely a simple experiment.
I think we both know how it would turn out. You'd be strapped to a board coughing up water and selling your own children to me if that is what you thought would make me stop.
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee I just don't think so. It's simulated drowning. If you know you're not going to be drowned before hand I can't see it being as bad as they say. However, christopher hitchens claims it is torture. Bring it on I'll do it. Where do you live let's get this thing settled.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
You're aware that this would involve being blindfolded and strapped down to a board and tilted backwards. After you exhaled, water would be poured onto your mouth and face. Water would pool in your nasal cavity and mouth. To avoid breathing the water you would try to swallow it. The CIA uses saline solution so you don't get hyponatremia. It is standard practice to have a tracheotomy and resuscitation stuff handy. CIA uses 40s of continuous pouring, six times in an hour.
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee Of course they have medical instruments handy, that signifies nothing. Not sure I agree with your description, as there obviously different ways to administer the treatment. Anyway, what's your address, get the stuff ready and I'll come over and you can waterboard me I want to get this over with, prove you wrong and get on with my life.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy
> Of course they have medical instruments handy
And they've had to use them. Unsuccessfully. Do you understand that pouring water into the air cavity of a human after them exhaling is not healthy?
> Not sure I agree with your description, as there obviously different ways to administer the treatment.
But the version I gave is from the CIA FOIA releases. Your version is from your imagination.
But you agree to it have it done to you either way? You are insane.
sdkee 1 year ago
@sdkee No more words. Give me your address, I'll come over and you can administer the treatment. I accept the challenge. I will prove you wrong.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
[pulls last strand of hair from head and starts banging raw head against wall]
Scientifikally 2 years ago
Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out. Andrew Jackson
WarDogLRS 2 years ago
Traitors!!! All of them. Get rope.
denmason 2 years ago
And AnD ...And many Japanese were hung for authorizing water boarding.And what country wanted the hangings?-3 hints,no guesses-Uncle Sam, Yankee Doodle, United States of America-- Answer-Answer USA is a country :^)
Notice same old shills, hacks and hags,spuing the same old sugar coating political crap? :^(
geo1671 2 years ago
@geo1671 Oh yes and why not call us Nazis while you're at it? Make yourself really look like an ass.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy -Are you Ashkenazi or Shepardick? 90% of so called Jews are Ashkenazies.Nazi term was coined from the most feared Eastern European(Russioan) tribe called Ashenazi. Who converted to the Heb faih in 720 AD.
Hitler's controllers were Jews just as are USA's both major parties. I call them AIPAC but really should be--New-Nazi party of USi
geo1671 1 year ago
George Will is a TRAITOR to the Constitution of the United States of America.
GBZ10TROY 2 years ago
@GBZ10TROY No, YOU are a traitor for supporting leftist idiots trying to prosecute a former President because of bitterness and anger. You should be ashamed.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
I'm a veteran. I swore an oath to the Constitution of the United States of America. Not to any person, congressperson, senator or president. Traitors are traitors.
GBZ10TROY 2 years ago
I mean, she is torturing us with her existence and Im finding it hard to just keep walking!
chrismanxxx 2 years ago
I think we should torture her and then just keep walkin.'
I mean, some of life has to be mysterious.
chrismanxxx 2 years ago
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chrismanxxx 2 years ago
where was the "just walk away" when the republican congress spent millions of dollars and 3 years prosecuting Bill Clinton for a blowjob? George W. Bush is responsible for torture and spying on Americans... maybe he should have just gotten a blow job ... he'd be in prison right now.
asaturn 2 years ago
@asaturn It was not a blow job, it was perjury my uninformed, dishonest, intellectually challenged friend. Get it right. Obama is using the same policies as Bush, so grow up.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
Good lord, this has to be the smarmiest human being out there.
The fact she still wants to look like June Allyson only adds to it.
zuzukachoo 2 years ago
Why is this hideous hag getting any air time at all? What does she bring to the party, other than blatant moral cowardice?
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Is this woman not insane?? "Hey America, just keep walking... nothing to see here" this is exactly whats wrong with the world... people in power do something illegal and immoral and they just ask people to not care and look the other way... and like little sheep, they do as they are told... I'm happy those memos got released, although i doubt anything will come of it... people will just keep walking and look the other way, as usual.
philgomes82 2 years ago
This argument did not work at Nuremberg.
gensu3k1 2 years ago 6
@gensu3k1 You low iq types can't resist the Hitler references can you? Lazy lazy thinkers.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy It's not a Hitler reference. It's a reference to those who argued that we should just "move on" from the atrocities of the Holocaust and not bring it out into the open with a trial.
Which is the same argument we're hearing from Peggy here. She should be ashamed of herself.
gensu3k1 1 year ago
@gensu3k1 Well I guess it's refreshing to hear a lib supportive of jews, but at any rate - I hope we go after Obama's administration as well.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy If the Obama administration refused to prosecute the Bush administration for the use of torture, why would you ever expect a future administration to prosecute Obama officials?
This era began when Ford let Nixon skate. People with Noonan's "walk away" attitude are the centrist middle in America.
gensu3k1 1 year ago
This rivals the absolute worst of what I've read and heard from Peggy Noonan before, and for someone as infuriating as her that's a real accomplishment. She's so awful.
DebaterNGF 2 years ago 3
I know, but there's so much to choose from:
The Elian being supported by dolphins, for instance. The "it would be irresponsible not to speculate" classic. Every inane word she put in Ronald Reagan's mouth.
zuzukachoo 2 years ago