I have to agree with the musicality argument. True emotional expression, dynamically, comes from the contrast of playing piano, forte, and everything in between. Playing constantly louder than your ability will allow with proper tone and technique is quite the opposite of emotionally expressive. constantly playing or singing louder then your skill level can actually be physically harmful. I also find it odd that a respected band director would be perpetuating racial profiling in any manner....
@Ryber85 It's not "racial profiling" if it's true. I believe that HBCU bands CAN play with a great degree of musicianship, it's just that they choose not to with the style of music they play, and that's fine. They play their style of music at the volume and level of musicality that they wish, and 'Corps Style" bands will continue to do their thing. I don't see why their should be debate or controversy over it since both styles have their fans that wouldn't have either sounding any different.
Interesting all this discussion on volume... if that is truly your issue with this performance being "boring" then blame the NCAA since they only allow 30 member bands for post-season play, which this clearly is based on the giant logo mid-court. I can assure you that the full 160 member band (Seminole Sound) is much louder.
@gaminzoner i an not an idiot and they do sound boring look up jackson state or southern university playing this song they play it the way it was suppose to be played
@TheDragonmaster18 No what those bands do is they play songs like these way too loud and sacrifice musicality for volume...what they do is exactly the wrong way to play music of any kind.
@gaminzoner not true all showbands donot sacrifice musically for volume and most songs are made to be played in double or triple forte like for example big ballin. if you look at some meac bands like FAMU, BCU, NSU and SCSU they sound just like FSU except better and louder but still clean the only bands that sound to loud are bands that are in the SWAC
@TheDragonmaster18 That is absolutely false. none of those bands you just listed sound anything like FSU. The fact that you even said that just tells me that you're not even aware what musicality is (or even how to spell it). and especially the fact that you would even dare bring NSU just reinforces that. BCU, SCSU and FAMU are alot better than most show bands out there but they still fall prey to that volume over musicality mentality.
@gaminzoner dude FAMU is one of the top bands in the country they even have the title as AMERICAS band i dont see Florida State with that title. in fact showbands are voted by america as the most enteraining style of marching bands out there. and if showbands are as bad as you say they are then why do they perform at more events other than football games and contest. and ive never seen Florida state on the grammy's, or at a super bowl, in tv commercails, or presidentiial inaugurations.
@TheDragonmaster18 now you're starting to change what i'm saying. i never said that show weren't entertaining. As a matter of fact i personally find them very entertaining. My argument was that they sacrifice musicality for volume. as far as the average person is concerned, a show band kicks any other bands ass. but when it comes to musicians who actually know about pitch, intonation, blending, and tone quality, show bands just aren't up to par
@gaminzoner the reason why showbands play loud is because that is how black people play they instruments. unlike these white bands black college bands put all of their feelings and emotions into what they do thats why they sound so loud .but that's what happens when they battle someone and jackson state university sonic boom of the south is the perfct example of playing loud. musicianship isnt determined by the type of music you play its by how good you sound and look.
@TheDragonmaster18 What you just said is stupid and very ignorant. first of all i never said anything about the type of music that bands play. i was talking about musicianship. all show bands do is play loud and no, it's not because they're black and thats how black people play instruments, thats ignorant. and musicianship has absolutely nothing to do with how you look, thats stupid. people like you are whats wrong with music education today, even from a young age you're making subpar musicians
@gaminzoner actually it is true that blacks always play their music with feelings and emotions i know cause im black and you can tel that they feel thir music just by listening to them and watching how they move while blowing they horn that's the same way black people sing their music by puting feel and emotions into it but since you arenot black you wouldnt understand.
@TheDragonmaster18 and your ignorance just shines through. why would you assume that i'm not black, you assume that i don't know anything about black culture..news flash i am black and i've seen and done most of these things you're talking about. what you need to understand is that when it comes to feeling the music being loud isn't the only thing. its all about the emotion you put into your music. if you were a real musician you would know that.
@TheDragonmaster18 thats not always the case. i don't understand why you're making this a black thing but i guess you're too ignorant to understand this conversation fully. when musicians want their music to have emotions and feeling they just play or sing loud. they use dynamics and expression in their music to connect with their audience whether they're black, white, blue, green or all of the above. when all you do is play loud it takes away from the actual music and doesn't do it justice
@gaminzoner the only reason i made this a black thing is because the band director houston al- star band told me the exact same thing i told you. as well i hate it when these type of bands turn a good song into a concert piece ballad type thing and you cant even enjoy it or groove to it cause it sounds so boring cause there are alot corps style bands who have messed up good classic songs that they should have really let the HBCU bands play.
@TheDragonmaster18 Thats really not the case at all. corps style bands just use musicality when they play their songs. They could easily sound like an hbcu band if they just ignored everything they learned in high school about how to properly play music. hbcu bands just overblow everything. the only hbcu band i've seen play anything truly musical is famu. and even they overblow songs. real musicians know their limits, they know how loud they can play before quality of sounds starts to suffer
at 00:31-00:48 tht junk went hard
cmoney944 3 months ago 2
man i need me a nice southern belle..goddamn!
Jr3ll 1 year ago
More like "FS Cheerleaders dance to Marching Band playing 'Whatever You Like' " :)
ThaOneKidz 1 year ago 2
@ThaOneKidz Nope, wrong again. FSU Golden Girls dance to Seminole Sound playing "Whatever You Like." They're the dance team, not the cheerleaders.
mike71085 10 months ago
I have to agree with the musicality argument. True emotional expression, dynamically, comes from the contrast of playing piano, forte, and everything in between. Playing constantly louder than your ability will allow with proper tone and technique is quite the opposite of emotionally expressive. constantly playing or singing louder then your skill level can actually be physically harmful. I also find it odd that a respected band director would be perpetuating racial profiling in any manner....
Ryber85 1 year ago
@Ryber85 It's not "racial profiling" if it's true. I believe that HBCU bands CAN play with a great degree of musicianship, it's just that they choose not to with the style of music they play, and that's fine. They play their style of music at the volume and level of musicality that they wish, and 'Corps Style" bands will continue to do their thing. I don't see why their should be debate or controversy over it since both styles have their fans that wouldn't have either sounding any different.
mike71085 1 year ago
Interesting all this discussion on volume... if that is truly your issue with this performance being "boring" then blame the NCAA since they only allow 30 member bands for post-season play, which this clearly is based on the giant logo mid-court. I can assure you that the full 160 member band (Seminole Sound) is much louder.
Ryber85 1 year ago
wow they sound boring. this is why white schools shouldnt play black music
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 you are clearly an idiot...thanks for playing though
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner i an not an idiot and they do sound boring look up jackson state or southern university playing this song they play it the way it was suppose to be played
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 No what those bands do is they play songs like these way too loud and sacrifice musicality for volume...what they do is exactly the wrong way to play music of any kind.
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner not true all showbands donot sacrifice musically for volume and most songs are made to be played in double or triple forte like for example big ballin. if you look at some meac bands like FAMU, BCU, NSU and SCSU they sound just like FSU except better and louder but still clean the only bands that sound to loud are bands that are in the SWAC
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 That is absolutely false. none of those bands you just listed sound anything like FSU. The fact that you even said that just tells me that you're not even aware what musicality is (or even how to spell it). and especially the fact that you would even dare bring NSU just reinforces that. BCU, SCSU and FAMU are alot better than most show bands out there but they still fall prey to that volume over musicality mentality.
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner dude FAMU is one of the top bands in the country they even have the title as AMERICAS band i dont see Florida State with that title. in fact showbands are voted by america as the most enteraining style of marching bands out there. and if showbands are as bad as you say they are then why do they perform at more events other than football games and contest. and ive never seen Florida state on the grammy's, or at a super bowl, in tv commercails, or presidentiial inaugurations.
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 now you're starting to change what i'm saying. i never said that show weren't entertaining. As a matter of fact i personally find them very entertaining. My argument was that they sacrifice musicality for volume. as far as the average person is concerned, a show band kicks any other bands ass. but when it comes to musicians who actually know about pitch, intonation, blending, and tone quality, show bands just aren't up to par
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner the reason why showbands play loud is because that is how black people play they instruments. unlike these white bands black college bands put all of their feelings and emotions into what they do thats why they sound so loud .but that's what happens when they battle someone and jackson state university sonic boom of the south is the perfct example of playing loud. musicianship isnt determined by the type of music you play its by how good you sound and look.
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 What you just said is stupid and very ignorant. first of all i never said anything about the type of music that bands play. i was talking about musicianship. all show bands do is play loud and no, it's not because they're black and thats how black people play instruments, thats ignorant. and musicianship has absolutely nothing to do with how you look, thats stupid. people like you are whats wrong with music education today, even from a young age you're making subpar musicians
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner actually it is true that blacks always play their music with feelings and emotions i know cause im black and you can tel that they feel thir music just by listening to them and watching how they move while blowing they horn that's the same way black people sing their music by puting feel and emotions into it but since you arenot black you wouldnt understand.
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 and your ignorance just shines through. why would you assume that i'm not black, you assume that i don't know anything about black culture..news flash i am black and i've seen and done most of these things you're talking about. what you need to understand is that when it comes to feeling the music being loud isn't the only thing. its all about the emotion you put into your music. if you were a real musician you would know that.
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner then how come whenever black people feel their music they play loud or sing loud
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 thats not always the case. i don't understand why you're making this a black thing but i guess you're too ignorant to understand this conversation fully. when musicians want their music to have emotions and feeling they just play or sing loud. they use dynamics and expression in their music to connect with their audience whether they're black, white, blue, green or all of the above. when all you do is play loud it takes away from the actual music and doesn't do it justice
gaminzoner 1 year ago
@gaminzoner the only reason i made this a black thing is because the band director houston al- star band told me the exact same thing i told you. as well i hate it when these type of bands turn a good song into a concert piece ballad type thing and you cant even enjoy it or groove to it cause it sounds so boring cause there are alot corps style bands who have messed up good classic songs that they should have really let the HBCU bands play.
TheDragonmaster18 1 year ago
@TheDragonmaster18 Thats really not the case at all. corps style bands just use musicality when they play their songs. They could easily sound like an hbcu band if they just ignored everything they learned in high school about how to properly play music. hbcu bands just overblow everything. the only hbcu band i've seen play anything truly musical is famu. and even they overblow songs. real musicians know their limits, they know how loud they can play before quality of sounds starts to suffer
gaminzoner 1 year ago
they playing it to fast
347826able 1 year ago
How dare you cut away from the Golden Girls, even if only for half a second!!
BTW, nice angle.
jet06d 2 years ago 9