Dr Michael Parenti adds shocking new evidence to the litany of injustices visited upon victims of U.S. imperialism: expropriation of their communal wealth and natural resources, complete privatization and deregulation of their economies, loss of local markets, deterioration of their living standards, a growing debt burden, and the bloodstained suppression of their democratic movements.
Kim Jong-il and his fat pig son are killing millions already. Why do you support a regime that thrusts its country into poverty at the behest of its military tyranny? China - it uses North Korea as a human shield, provides the USA with slave labor, turns its political dissidents into collagen for cosmetics, and there is still no free speech like you are freely exercising on Youtube. The hell with you.
I'm pretty sure some of last years hostility (like the sub sinking) attributed to North Korea was in fact United States Corp actors that were in the area. North Korea is so weak and unknown they could be replaced by agent provocateurs that want nothing more than chaos to enhance their control options, and we would not be able to tell the difference. That is not the business I want to see the C.I.A in. That's job security I guess.
STOP saying START a WAR! We (America) are still at war with North Korea! Have been since the 1953 cease fire! SO STOP SAYING START A WAR! Read your history books! Better yet! Talk to a Korea War Verteran!
the war machine elite dont like you is why your vids arent promoted. killin children and women are there specialty. they dont want you showing ppl truth
@Gradivus375 Yes, but wouldn't you agree that eastern diplomacy also has to do allot with resources? Taiwan is governed by the Rupublic of China which we fought side by side with during WWII. They were overthrown by the ruthless communists. Now PRC wants Taiwan. If were allowed the Japanese to develop an Army and use their technology they would have a military far more advance than China. Since Japan already has a strong navy it would be hard for China to nuke Japan.
I wish they would fight it out already so the north would finally collapse and they can consolidate. America should be giving North Korea NOTHING. They have time and time again not held their part in bargaining and we keep handing them everything. Whilst Kim-Jong Il is sitting in his lavish palaces sipping on cogniac his people are starving. Biggest piece of shit dynasty on Earth.
@manmanguy there is a fear that China might join North Korea if we attack them first. Even though we can easily wipe out both their old style military who would make our furniture and clothing if we do?
@chazkm America won't attack the north. It's not really in our best interests. Also, China wouldn't go to war with us, as it's not in their best interests. What's happened with these drills is basically the south called the north's bluff, and was right. The north is amazingly impotent in every manner, and this just showed their cracks starting to form. There's no doubt the north will fall, just hope it's from within and they hang that bastard Jong.
@manmanguy I say we, the US, just pull out of east Asia and let them have at it. It would be World War III over there but at least it wouldn't be at our expense. All four countries would finally stop depending on us all the time and we would save lots of money. South Korea is a useless allie and fact that they wont do anything without us is proof of this.
@chazkm Your naivety is astounding. South Korea doesn't do anything without US say-so because the US requires that. If the US DID pull out of Asia - hell, if they just concentrated on domestic policy instead of trying to instigate problems for profit all over the world, the world would be a much safer place. As an added bonus you could use public funds to improve public services and turn the US into a first class country that is worthy of the hype that many americans believe.
@chazkm Then again, the military-industrial complex would probably assassinate any government officials who would contrive to take steps in this direction.
@bobolith The US requires South Korea to consult them due to the high casualty counts of South Korean troops during the Korean War. Judging by their current military tactics they have not learned much at all. You are funny for believing there might be peace if the US pulls out of that region. History would only repeat itself and the Japanese would become an unsustainable threat.
@chazkm Excellent point. The US should keep their bases in Japan. Meanwhile, they should get the hell out of Korea and stop provoking the unstable North with exercises that are intended to exacerbate tensions.
@chazkm I agree we should have pulled out decades ago, but it wouldn't be ww3. What would happen is N. Korea would have their asses handed to them. Then Japan and China would then mediate the situation, and the North would be in even worse shape. The next logical step would be the final collapse of the North, and the ousting of the Kim dynasty. Then, peace and prosperity for east Asia.
@manmanguy Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard. If the US pulled out China and Japan would do the same thing as before, over throw the Korean government(s) and use the land as bases for war. China has something Japan wants, land and lots of it. If you so how people in Japan live in tiny spaces due to over population then you would see what I'm saying. The day that the US stops controlling Japan they will turn their defense force into an actual army and they will eventually use that army.
@chazkm China, especially Hong Kong, is just as crowded as Japan for one. Second, Japan has no capability at the moment to wage any kind of war against anyone, Bushido is all but dead. And yes, once we leave Japan MUST build an army, but that's inevitable. So I'm guessing what you're saying is it's the right thing to occupy these two countries, at the expense of the US taxpayers, forever, when they have the ability to protect themselves? So how am I crazy?
@manmanguy No, we shouldn't stay there. I say we leave and let fight. Personally I could care less what happens to them. My bet is definitely on Japan. Communist are weak and Japan will probably invent something to destroy them. It would be fun to watch.
@manmanguy Communist are weak because their people see nothing worth fighting for. Russia was beat out by poor little Afghanistan and PRC was beat by the same Vietnamese they helped during the Vietnam war. If you don't have a society where people can prosper then they wont be fully committed to the nations cause. Would you be committed if you were a Russian and your government spent your tax dollars on weapons instead keeping your apartment warm?
@chazkm You're speaking in generalities. China is doing quite well right now, especially with 1.4 trillion dollars of our money. USSR not Russia was beat by the Mujahadeen with US help. Besides USSR died from empire and rampant spending. I agree, however, that communism generally is weaker than capitalism, but they have propaganda to fight for. However, as to your last sentence, that's exactly what's happening to the US now, just not with our own bills, but domestic spending.
@ali70547 well they have resources that we want. Why not just invade them like we do all the other's instead of having them try to dictate our policies in the middle east? They are worthless since the cant assist us in anything and we can easily take away from them.
@chazkm If U.S even "thinks" about fucking invading Saudi Arabia you will all die.
Because Saudi Arabia is where the house of Allah is.
And invading that will be the destruction of people attempting to destroy this sacred place. it will be the END.
so dont even think about it fucking american, FUCK AMERICA FUCK OBAMA FUCK BUSH, stop stealing other countries RESOURCES FUCKING FAGS, I HOPE ONEDAY YOU GUYS ALL FUCKING EDUCATE YOUR DUMB SELVES ABOUT WHAT YOUR TROOPS ARE FIGHTING FOR!!
@ali70547 Fuck you Allah. Where the fuck was Allah when America laid waste to hundreds of thousands of Muslims? We own your fucking country. Saudi Arabia couldn't pay us back if they gave us all the oil they have. Only reason why we haven't invaded them is because they keep taking out loans from us. We Americans are civilized pirates and we are proud of it. We will continue to take your resources whether you like it or not.
@ali70547 We don't have to 'think' about fucking invading Saudi Arabia. We are already there moron. If you would actually FUCKING EDUCATE YOUR DUMB SELF you would learn US interests basically own the Saud family. So please, read a fucking book before you decide you're an all knowing fool.
@manmanguy Hahah U.S are losing like little bitches in Afghanistan, you guys are getting fucked by the taliban! you may think you're country is all "great" and "powerful" but China is just as powerful or even more powerful than your fucking shit country! The chinese will takeover your fucking gay country as the worlds largest economy and the worlds most powerful nation. I hope they become the next super power, atleast they dont kill people for oil or steal from other countries such as Iraq!
@manmanguy Hahahah MOTHER FUCKER IM FROM AFGHANISTAN BITCH,
AHHAHAHA YOU GUYS DONT OWN MY COUNTRY FUCKING FAG THE TALIBAN ARE RAPING YOUR LITTLE SOLDIERS, FUCK THE U.S MARINES ARE PUSSIES TO SCARED TO ENTER THE VILLAGES RULED BY THE TALIBAN, WITHOUT AIRSTRIKE YOU GUYS SUCK. AND HOPEFULLY YOUR FUCKING GAY TROOPS GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY COUNTRY CAUSE THEY CANT WIN AND STEAL OUR NATURAL RESOURCES LIKE YOU DID IN IRAQ!
fuck the U.S.A ahahah China is beating you guys in everything! i feel so good :D
@manmanguy Hahahah AMERICAN mother fucker all you AMERICAN people do is fuck everything up, leave people alone for once we will respect you, FUCK WHITE AMERICAN SUPREMACY!! AHHAHAHA AND OBONGO THE MONKEY.
FUCKING TRAILOR TRASH FUCKING BITCH GO HAVE SEX WITH YOUR COUSIN YOU HILLBILLY
I FEEL SO FUCKING GOOD YOUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMY IS SHIT AND CHINA IS WINNING.
may god bless the chinese, they are smarter, have a larger millitary, richer soon, and more powerful ahahhaha SHAME!!!!
@ali70547 No I'm pretty sure you are merely a troll. 1st. I doubt you are from Afghanistan, if you were you wouldn't use American slang and curse-words, so that's obviously a lie. 2nd. Afghan's like religious nations more than atheist nations such as China. 3rd. US has the largest military on Earth. So now I won't feed you anymore, go talk to someone who is gullible enough to listen to a dipshit like you. If you were Afghan you could prove it, which I guarantee you can't and won't.
@manmanguy Hahahha those "FACTS" are from your government just to make your people feel good about te "AMERICAN SUPREMACY", your government knows china's millitary capability is alot larger and they have 1.5 million active soldiers. And for your information you fucker yes i am Afghani im a full blood Afghan. So why dont you keep your american mouth closed and get the fuck OUTTA my country. Your soldiers are bitches even with all your advance technology the Taliban are still fucking you up! hahah
@ali70547 Still haven't proven you are Afghan, nor can you. And you should also know a "FACT": The US has over 3 million active military personnel, that's twice of what you suppose China has. So please, read a fucking book troll. Say what you want from now on, I shan't reply to an imbecile such as you anymore. Go rape a 9 year old girl like your prophet.
@manmanguy "Go rape a 9 year old girl like your prophet" thats what your fucking POPE DOES not us. And hahaahha thats bullshit americas soldiers are stretched, if China lands one big blow its OVER! for your fucking murderous country. I dont need to prove you anythign who do you think you are? i dont need to prove anything im full blooded AFGHAN BITCH. " read a fucking book troll" Have you been reading those books that are all LIES? just to make you americans feel "powerful".
@manmanguy Hahah you may have "conquered" Iraq and the FAT fucking Arabs but not us.
We're not middle eastern, we're asians we border with china if you look closely. Plus america is no way close to having the "largest" millitary in the world, china has twice more, and Iran has almost 4million, there elite soldiers are more brutal than your "marines"
So fuck the usa leave other people alone, and stop stealing natural resources from other countries!
@bobolith "Worth" is the ability to gather credit and resources by any means necessary. Worth is the ability to take over by any means necessary. By lending assets and gathering resources the United States has become the most influential society of all. If you believe humans are capable of maintaining peace then you live in a dream land and you should rid yourself of Utopian thoughts. There will never be peace as long as there are people of different appearances, creed and preferences.
@chazkm You and I have very different ideas of the concept of "worth." My concept of "worth" is akin to "integrity", which would include ideas like candor, mutual respect and placing higher value on human life and living standards than on power and profit. I believe that there will not be peace until we can learn to approach our differences in qualitatively different ways than we do at present. Peace is possible, but it is not possible with the present USA-dominated ideology.
@chazkm US relations with other countries are inherently dysfunctional because they are based on corruption and imbalances of power rather than egalitarianism. Such relationships are ultimately worthless. Things ARE changing, though, and the US empire seems to be in late autumn / early winter.
@notanantiGnostic There's more than one reason. One is that REPEATEDLY my videos have been excluded from the default pages of categories like Popular. Also I notice some even left out of "most viewed". Doesn't happen all the time, seems to be a pattern with videos dealing with the Middle East and Israel. That means this channel has been handicapped - losing out on exposure AND growth. AND the "News & Politics" section gets frozen months at a time. AND "911 skeptics" have negatively impacted too.
@Gregorian112 Please read my other comments and the article I link in the video info. Your comment is biased. why would you write "Regret dont mean shit when it comes from NK."? WHY would that be? Does regret mean more from others? Why would regrets mean something different to you if it came from another country but from NK it doesn't mean anything? You need to know the background facts. It isn't a game. Millions of lives are at risk, we need people to be FAIR and level headed.
@Gregorian112 So it was NOT an "unprovoked attack" regardless of what the media tells you. And NK was shooting at a military base which was part of the "drill" of firing thousands of live shells into waters NK claims, not unreasonably, to be their own. NK was targeting a military base and according to the brother of one of the civilians killed, the civilians were working at the base at the time. Did the media report that?
@Gregorian112 NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live ammo into waters which are well within 12 nautical miles. SK did it anyway "despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK while staging the war maneuvers for a war of aggression on it codenamed Hoguk." "The Yeonpyeong incident, therefore, had two components. One was the actual live fire into contested waters" the other was Hoguk. the "shelling took place during the staging of a major military exercise (Hoguk). " SK was provacative.
@Gregorian112 Wait a minute, why are you asking " NK regrets?", did the media make that clear to you? guess not. And my point isn't the regrets, it is how the media sure as hell didn't do a good job informing the public about it. It's all biased coverage. "President Roh moo-hyun and Chairman Kim Jong Il, at their summit on 10/4/07 agreed to a ‘special peace and cooperation zone in the West Sea’, but this peace initiative was overturned, as so many others, by incoming president Lee Myung-bak"
@Gradivus375 Those civilians were working on a military base. The media and South Korea have misrepresented what happened! AND US media sure as hell DIDN'T get North Korea's regrets broadcast to a large audience did they?
@Gradivus375 North Korea had been trying, agreements were made with regard to the nuclear power plant yet the US broke the agreements. North Korea has tried to negotiate a peace treaty but SK refuses. The new leader has been trying to start trouble. No one sincerely interested in peace runs right up into contested waters and fires live ammo for 4 hours. Try to snap out of the US media propaganda. They didn't inform you about NK's regrets about the 2 civilians did they?
@Gradivus375 And the Russian Ambassador TRIED to get the current situation under control and for UN envoys to be sent to North and South Korea. He called for an emergency meeting but US Ambassador RIce first delayed then in the meeting she sabotaged it by shifting the focus from the current crisis to going back and insisting they condemn NK for Nov 23rd incident and place blame only on them. After that she said there was no pint in talking about the current crisis!
I'm not usually a patriotic guy by any standard, but I think South Korea needed to have this military demonstration -- being that communications between the two neighboring countries is virtually nonexistent, Kim Jong Il needs to understand that the South is a formidable opponent; one not to be trifled with for irrationally justified reasons. North Korea likes to fight with threats, and now they're playing the victim. That being said, of communications, I think, should be embraced by the U.S..
@Incalite There is communication. North has asked for a peace treaty but has been rebuffed. The NLL is absurd yet SK has "refused to negotiate concerning the NLL." It was "unilaterally established by the Americans (officially the United Nations Command) in August 1953" The area North Korea says is their waters is within a 12 nautical mile line which is the international standard but SK refuses AND INSTEAD IS FIRE THOUSANDS OF LIVE AMMO RIGHT NEXT TO NORTH KOREA. NK asked SK not, SK refused.
I guess the ROK and US governments are tired of feeding the North Koreans. DPRK annual harvest (2010) was 500,000 tons short (again). They can't sell enough weapons due to embargo. They don't have money to buy the food, so they are playing the gangster and threatening the ROK with war. The ROK apparently is fed up with this, and is going to force the DPRK to back down or fight. Maybe it's time we got this war over with once and for all.
@plbuster Did you know North Korea said "it was responding to live fire by South Korea into its waters" and about the 2 civilians who died when it fired on the South Korean military base on Yeonpyeong island just 7 miles off its shore, North Korea said, "If that is true, it is very regrettable, but the enemy should be held responsible for the incident as it took such inhuman action as creating 'a human shield' by deploying civilians around artillery positions and inside military facilities."
@representativepress I am not concerned with what the DPRK "says". Only their actions count. By your own comment, you say it is ok for the DPRK to shell ROK positions for any reason they see fit. Of course, that goes against the armistice agreement between the North and South. (DPRK, "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea. ROK, Republic of Korea)
@plbuster I did not say that. And I asked you if you heard what North Korea said. DId you learn about North Korea's statement about the 2 civilians getting killed at the military bas which they apparently didn't expect any civilians to be at: "it is very regrettable" DId the media report that to you?
@representativepress Also, you still haven't responded to the food shortage in the DPRK. Their incompetent government collectivist policies had lead to this disaster more than once. There is no incentive for the North Korean farmer to produce any more than the government quota allows, and no relief in case of crop failure. Typical leftist government policies.
@plbuster Does that sound like a "gangster"? No. And look how damn close the South Koreans are shooting off live-fire. It went on for 4 hours, over 900 shells an hour! And they had repeatedly warned South Korea not to shoot live shells into waters it considers part of its territory.
@representativepress Not gangster as in "gangsta", but as in Al Capone. Anyhow, North Korea considers all of South Korea and associated waters "their" territory. It seems that you know little of what has been going on in Korea for the last 60 years. Anyway, what else would you consider someone who threatened you, shot at you, lied to you and about you, and blatantly violated laws and agreements, who had previously invaded you, then extorts you for money?
@plbuster "North Korea considers all of South Korea and associated waters "their" territory. It " stop with the bullshit. The media has mislead you, when you learn the facts you shouldn't continue to playing a game. North Korea thinks it is entitles to what is the international norm, a 12 nautical mile limit. There is no good reason for SOuth Korea to be firing live ammo for 4 hours, over 900 shells an hour, 7 miles from North Korea. Look at teh link I added in the video info, it is detailed.
@representativepress Hey, I've been there...twice. This is no different than any of the other nonsense that the DPRK pushes from their press mill than at any other time. The big difference is that North Korea deliberately targeted an island they knew inhabited with civilians. (almost all military facilities in the South are in close proximity to civilians. It is unavoidable.) South Korea has not shelled any DPRK facility or inhabited land.
@representativepress Further, the DPRK is calling for a "holy war" in response to the South Koreans erecting a tall "Christmas tree" that can be seen from North Korea. Let's not believe everything we hear coming from Kim Junk Il's propoganda machine.
@plbuster North Korea "vowed a "merciless counterattack" if its territory was attacked again." WHERE did you get the idea they said that with response to a Christmas tree?
@representativepress On an unrelated story. Look up "North Korea Christmas Tree War" on google and see the hits, they're from today. North Korea is threatening nuclear war dude, get with the program. Don't listen to me, but look it up dude! The South is just itching for a fight, and the North seems to be obliging.
@plbuster I know what you meant and I pointed out that gangsters don't go around saying they regret the deaths of civilians (and keep in mind N KOrea was firing at a military target) First of all, the media doesn't make that clear and second, I given the importance, why didn't US media clearly report on TV what the North said?
@representativepress If the press reported everything the North said, we would have been clamouring for all out war years ago. Only by filtering what they are saying through a "bulls**t meter" can we figure out what exactly they mean. Anyhow, if only troops had been killed, it would still represent a clear violation of armistice agreements.
*** Added link to article "Korean Brinkmanship, American Provocation, and the Road to War: the manufacturing of a crisis by Tim Beal (see link in the video description)
Fucking stupid. "How to start a Korean War". How about actually firing shells on SK territory and killing civilians? How about sinking a SK destroyer? How about the Korean War never ended?
How about you make a fucking logical argument instead of just sighing and saying, "you'd have to be insane not to agree with me."
@infeimmo South Korea was firing live shells first and they were firing them into waters that North Korea considers their own AND North Korea IS NOT UNREASONABLE in thinking these waters are within their territory since they are well WITHIN a 12 mile line which international is accepted BY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUDN THEIR NATIONS as waters belonging to the country. DId you read the latest article I posted a link to? It goes into detail about some of what I am trying to get across.
@representativepress Ha, "[SK] was firing live shells first...". Oversimplification and misrepresentation of the entire situation. NK/SK hostilities have never ceased since the cease-fire and your oversimplification of a complex situation in an attempt to place blame solely on SK is misguided at best and an outright lie at worst. Furthermore, the NLL was established pre-1970 when a 3 nautical mile limit was the norm, not 12 miles. More "facts" perverted to further your viewpoint.
@infeimmo@infeimmo I'm showing how the MSM gave many people the impression that NK suddenly attacked that island out of the blue. Susan Rice called it "unprovoked" but that is clearly false. NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live fire in the contested waters. Yet just 7 miles from the NK coast, SK started firing for 4 hours. "According to SK, the units on those islands, including Yeonpyeong, fired 3,657 times, or over 900 shells per hour, into contested waters."
@infeimmo I know when the 3 mile line was drawn - unilaterally by the way and which NK never accepted. It is not unreasonable for NK to not want live-fire within waters it considers its own, well within a 12 mile area which most countries, when it is their own waters, consider their own waters. NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live fire in the contested waters. Yet just 7 miles from the NK coast, SK started firing for 4 hours, over 900 shells per hour.
@infeimmo Oversimplification?, you wrote this about NK: " How about actually firing shells on SK territory and killing civilians? " NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live-fire in waters just 7 miles from NK. And you distort things, as did the media. What NK said they fired back at was the military base on Yeonpyeong which was firing into their waters, may have been unprecedented. NK shot back at a military target. About civilian deaths, NK said "If that is true, it is very regrettable"
from Bloomberg "While China’s stance toward North Korea may not change after this incident, concern is rising in Beijing that an ally of six decades is increasingly a diplomatic liability, said Zhu Feng,"
So wildly off my position?
Why don´t YOU make the North a liability by other means than military? Only the US has such possibilities.
@Gradivus375 And instead of asking their direct neighbour you move troops around the globe?
"Just what are you talking about friendly fire vs. Iraqi resistance? Your statement is ridiculous"
A decent global ruler had managed this differently.
And i don´t go to war because it´s INSANE.
Nearly my entire grand parent´s family tree was killed during WWII. I try to learn from mistakes and Vietnam was a mistake and Iraq IS a mistake, a horrible one.
@Gradivus375 I pay for your electoral campaigns. I consider myself a US investment. Our cities sold their very infrastructure to US financial corporations. What my parents buiold up now belongs to US financial Corps.
How would you feel if your water can be turned off due to some foreign interest wanting you to pay more?
I mean even militarily this frontal assualt on the north´s bunker line is nothing more than suicide.
Seoul cannot be held if China supports the North and they´ll do it because you´re right at their doorstep! Where do you want to end up? In their "bedroom"?
Allways more?
Once the US knew that in order to make friends you need to give also.
@Gradivus375 Well if you´ve global nuclear warfare as an alternative you pick your team.
Perhaps you found my stance too much "anti-american" but technically speaking US conquered and held. US rule had a different style than the Soviet Union sure about that but technically you protected your investment AND a strategic edge on the global chessboard. The problem is US-elite still seems to believe this´ll work, despite being guilty as hell they think they hold moral high ground...
@Gradivus375 At about 3 minutes 30 seconds you can see Christine Hong talk about how US forces lined up her uncle and his friends, lined them up against a ditch and shot them all. Her uncle is a survivor of this war crime.
@Gradivus375 War crimes are not justifiable. I have another link that I am trying to find. just saw it last night for shooting civilians, lining them up and shooting them. (JUST FOUND IT, I'll add it to the video description under "UNCOVERING THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE KOREAN WAR: THE WORK OF SOUTH KOREA'S TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION")
@Gradivus375 War crimes are not justifiable. I have another link that I am trying to find. just saw it last night for shooting civilians, lining them up and shooting them.
So the sinking sub was an accident? Yes, let's allow the North to throw their tantrums for American and South Korean aid and whimper when they growl. I'm not for war, but for being weak, even less
@hugoavila1 there is nothing "weak" about not shooting off live shells right next to the Northern Limit line when that area is disputed and is within what is considered a 12 mile limit off shore for countries. The area is disputed, it is ridiculously aggressive to be shooting off live fire in that area.
Yes, it is aggressive, as it needs to be during a war. The only reason this has not escalated is because of the proximity that Seoul is to the artillery of the North. Its a stalemate and a lose lose for the South, but I wouldn't give Kim any positive reinforcement after sinking a Southern sub
@hugoavila1 So you're ok with going to war with thousands of lives being lost, so long as the US can keep up a strong image and not being seen to cave in? Understanding that unnecessarily aggressive and provocative actions aren't going to help in such an already tense atmosphere isn't being weak, it's being smart. Unfortunately the US and South Korea don't seem to understand that.
Really? The Korean War never ended. Not going to war is like not wanting to dip your toes in water when your feet are already in the pool. I think the semantics we are looking for is escalation
Anyway, I never said I'm okay with war, as put into context by my own quote, "I'm not for war, but for being weak, even less"
I understand that the problem with an escalation of the Korean War results in massive economic damage to the South since about 50% of their GDP is near the DMZ
However, I would support a means to subvert the Norths' abilities and willingness to fire artillery before any attack on the North takes place
If we spoke a few months ago before the sinking of the South Korean vessel, I would support the status quo of cease fire. Today, I would say no such thing given the circumstance in which they have been placed
@Gradivus375 Perhaps i´m regarded uninformed but the Okinawa base has been prone to extremely bad US-PR in Japan, hasn´t it?
The UN paragraphs 52 and 107 clearly labed Germany and Japan as "enemies" and can be therefore labeled "occupied". (I´m just giving real names to euphemisms so calm down)
Sad also that the US has since S. Korea never again undertaken such honest efforts to rebuild nations.
Lately the US military has been more interested in covering up warcrimes than in punishing these. Also not very supportive of another armed fiasco elsewhere.
I greatly apreciate what Allied commitment has done 65 years ago but nowadays things look VERY differently.
It seems to me since Vietnam the US is on a butchering tour. You´re exterminating ppl like vermin.
Can´t you understand? Your religious frevor in butchering Iraquis is disgusting and all you do is eagerly starting a new war....
@0PsycoDad0 And it is worse than that. American soldiers lined up North Korean civilians and shot them. US air force bombed dams, records show how North Koreans ran for their lives and drowned as the US bombed their damns and destroyed their rice crops.
@hugoavila1 For which? For the US bombing the damns, see Hegemony or survival: America's quest for global dominance By Noam Chomsky p182 (link to book in the video description)
I´m appalled by todays atrocities. I can only do s.th against them. I realy like to change history but what happened happened all i can do is try to prevent ppl from going the same path again all too eagerly.
@HerculesRockefellerr "unprovoked"? Do you really not know the background? HAs mainstream media and people like Susan Rice made you this ignorant? These wars are built on lies. It is a LIE to claim that North Korea was "unprovoked." That's not to justify any of the actions that North Korea made but to claim that actions by South Korea were not provocative is simply dishonest.
This is how your response read, "ad hominen, hyperbole, ad hominem, roundabout fallacy". I have yet to see how you support your claim that they were indeed provoked. Please don't define "provoke" loosely either
Ever since that video where you take Stuarts video out of context, I question your motives, and (more importantly) your credibility
@hugoavila1 If you read my response that way then you have a distorted way of reading. Cite for me specifically what was "ad hominen, hyperbole"
President Bush lied to the nation when he claimed we were attacked on 9/11 because of our freedoms. Go watch Stewart's first show after 9/11, is there ANY mention of that fact? I showed you the complete sentence in context.
Quote, "HAs mainstream media and people like Susan Rice made you this ignorant?". Perhaps he subscribed to your channel for information, but there really was no need to insult the guy
Quote, "It is a LIE to claim that North Korea was "unprovoked" ". Actually, to say otherwise (if they were provoked) is an exaggeration. Which attack was a provocation or a response to provocation?
@hugoavila1 Please, it is not an "insult" to ask if "mainstream media and people like Susan Rice" has made someone so ignorant. I think people don't have to be so fragile that the idea that they are might be ignorant about a particular topic is unmentionable. I sure as hell don't skip a beat if someone asks a similar thing of me.
Fragility has nothing to do with my point - nor does ad hominem at others with yours. Your argument makes little sense to call him ignorant if your point has not been supported with anything other than, "I'm right and you're wrong because you're ignorant". I think you were trying to state that artillery drills were not a response to threat but a provocation. I question the ad hominem because how he is wrong is not clear
Suppose you supported your claim and proved that he wrong, then it would make sense to allude to mainstream media ignorance, but only to exemplify the failures of mainstream, not to poison his well
@hugoavila1 It is NOT "ad hominem." Ad hominem is an attack on the person such as "you are an ass" or "you are an ignorant person so I can see how you get this wrong" Stop trying to undermine efforts at discourse by claiming I went out of bounds by personally attacking someone when I did no such thing. Look up "ad hominem"
And no way in hell do I just claim I am right, do you see all the info I go to the trouble of presenting. Look at all the links in the video descriptions.
@hugoavila1 It is NOT "ad hominem." Ad hominem is an attack on the person such as "you are an ass" or "you are an ignorant person so I can see how you get this wrong" Stop trying to undermine efforts at discourse by claiming I went out of bounds by personally attacking someone when I did no such thing. Look up "ad hominem"
And no way in hell do I just claim I am right, do you see all the info I go to the trouble of presenting. Look at all the links in the video descriptions.
There a few forms of ad hominem; genetic fallacy, abusive ad hominem, circumstancial ad hominem, tu quoque, and poisoning the well. Just because you didn't overtly call him an ass or an idiot, does (not) not make it an ad hominem, As it is defined in my textbook, it is an act of attacking a person as opposed to a thesis. Alluding to ignorance without debating his thesis is poisoning his well
And yes, you did say that you are right he is wrong (because you are right, of course), when you stated that anyone who does not agree with you would have to be naive, ignorant, or insane - since you preclude that there is no reason to fire shells near the North
@hugoavila1 I'll be making a lot more videos on this. Rice went into the UN security COuncil and sabotaged efforts to ease the current crisis. While many people were worried about the lives of potentially millions being lost, Rice was playing games. AND when Richardson got back ready to tell the administration about the good news, the Whitehouse said they didn't want to hear from him. Do you really not see that games are being played?
@hugoavila1 no it isn't, I point out the Rice and the media are spreading false info as the reason for him to be ignorant. It is a BS tactic to avoid debating the facts to start going after me acting like I crossed some line with supposed ad hominem when I did not.
@hugoavila1 complete sentence in context: "As you know, this proposed Islamic center down in lower Manhattan has caused quite a bit of controversy. The terrorists hate us for our freedoms, is this anytime for us to be exercising those freedoms? Our own Wyatt Cenac went downtown to see what the fuss is about."
How in the world can you twist that into Stewart countering the notion that "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" Claiming he disputes it violates the internal logic of the quote. See?
Because it is a skit not mean to be taken seriously. His words cannot be taken into context on black and white - they need to be heard along with Cenac's interviews to see that they were actually making the point that popular belief on the attack is absurd
@hugoavila1 There are straight lines and concepts and premises in skits. The point he makes, about not giving up freedoms would be undermined by claiming that they are irrelevant anyway because freedoms have nothing to do with it. In the skit, Stewart is the straight man. Look at the end with the other things Stewart says. He isn't saying that a mosque has been in the neighborhood for years only to "really" mean there hasn't been one. And his show after 9/11 was a damn disgrace.
@representativepress....I guess susan rice must have got to me you paranoid nut job. Yes north korea has killed 50 south koreans unprovoked 46 of which were killed in may when a north korean sub sank a south korean ship the Cheonan in their territorial waters while the ship was minding its own buisness. You didnt know about that did you? Tell how that was provoked? Dont listen to alex jones, dont listen to me, look into it yourself.
@HerculesRockefellerr we are discussing the Nov 23rd attacks. THAT is a specific thing that Rice claims was "unprovoked" Check out the detailed article I linked to if you want to discuss this topic in detail.
@representativepress...so I get, to hell with the 46 killed in may! Now maybe you understand why south korea is always on edge. It really is stunning that people like you cant put aside your bullshit personal polotics and look at anything with a clear head.
@HerculesRockefellerr I am showing you that Susan Rice's claim that this action is not provocative: "South Korean artillery units located in the West Sea Islands, just seven miles from the North Korean coast, engaged in firing exercises on November 23, 2010, for four hours. According to the South Korean Ministry of National Defense, the units on those islands, including Yeonpyeong Island, fired 3,657 times, or over 900 shells per hour, into contested waters."
@representativepress..wow, they fired artillery into the ocean? How dare they. Keep defending the most paronoid isolated and schizophrenic country in the world. Just proves to me you're not capable of looking at anything with a clear head.
@HerculesRockefellerr did you read the latest article I linked to, it is more complicated than you think. And as I have said, North Korea IS NOT UNREASONABLE in thinking these waters are within their territory since they are well WITHIN a 12 mile line which international is accepted BY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THEIR NATIONS as waters belonging to their own country. It is provocative for South Korea to do all the live firing so close to North Korea.
@HerculesRockefellerr I say it is not as clear cut as you say. Google: Russia’s Cheonan investigation suspects that the sinking Cheonan ship was caused by a mine in water
@HerculesRockefellerr the link is the last link in the video description of this video: Korean Brinkmanship, American Provocation, and the Road to War: the manufacturing of a crisis by Tim Beal
@Gradivus375 you are correct, you cant have peace when nations are, bombing each other, having live fire drills on the borders and threatening war. but yet you seem to believe these war like things are necessary to keep the peace, and peace is what we want right? Theres been a stable peace in the peninsula for about 50 years and although the North and South have major differences theres no need for any of these military actions to maintain the peace. and remember was is a contradiction to peace.
The area has been stable, but not at peace. What you suggest is that we ignore the North and pretend that they do not have thousands of artillery units pointed at the South and hope that they ignore them too? What you call provocation, others call a response. Put yourself in Seoul under the threat of nuclear annihilation, and perhaps you too might get tired of fearing and react
@hugoavila1 last comment. How do you think every single fight begins, whether between nations, people or children. it starts with the insults at one another then comes the shoving and pushing(which is the stage N. and S. Korea are at) then next comes the bombs and the throwing of fist. lets not bring these petty little things to the next level. and every nations got their angle their playing, its just that S. Korea and America are better then N. Korea when it comes to propaganda. dont be fooled.
they DO exercises all over the place, all the time.... are you suggesting that the group tasked with defending that location should be transported to the other side of the country for their training? do you think we should pull all the anti Russian/Chinese ships out of the west pacific? maybe we could keep them all in california...
I think that you gravely misunderstand the kind of loyalty and support commanded by people rallied against the US. Not to mention people fiercely loyal to Bin Laden for the roles played in the war against the Russians.
South Korea has a very hard-line govt at present (with the full support of the US, I might add). People should look up the history of Korea, and in particular the history immediately following the Yalta Conference after WW 2. It's quite interesting, but rest assured, that the US propped up military dictatorships, as well as authoritarian govts in South Korea at virtually every turn since then. Declassified documents, obtainable at the National Archives, prove this without a doubt.
@55ella2007k >>> continued: not that the Russians + Chinese are innocent either, but essentially, the larger powers regard Korea as a pawn, a bargaining chip, to be used, whenever more 'important' objectives come into play. Hopefully, the situation will remain a case of saber rattling on all sides...but tensions are very high at the moment. The Sunshine policies of the previous govt of South Korea were NOT looked upon as favorable by Western powers. So, yes, the situation is quite serious.
Why do you think that Bin Laden is hiding in a cave somewhere, cowering in fear of patrolling US forces? He's not some cunning cave man. He, along with a number of others, are college educated and know better than to hide in the one place people are looking for him. Look beyond the old media.
you know, S. Korea can claim they have the right to do this or to do that, whatever makes them feel their actions are justified. but when there inciting violence, they best better not act surprised when the North makes them back up their shit talking and retaliates in some way, shape or form. because, violence will always be met with violence.
@Gradivus375 I don't think it is neccesary to talk about millitary power.I give the body count as a historical fact about the relation bethween Koreans and Turks.Everybody knows that the US millitary power is the greatest millitary power in the human history.I know that very well.I say only even the greatest millitary power in the world can't win some wars.Some times it is more wise to solve problems with non-weapon solutions.For example the USA will never win in Afganistan.It is not posible.
I agree in principle to the no fire zone but chances are they'd still have live fire drills at the edge of that. Neither of them actually want war, they're just in a game of brinkmanship. Kim Jong-un is apparently in power there now & is flexing his muscles/testing the U.S & Obamas reaction to firing on the South ala the cuban missile crisis with Nikita S. Khrushchev testing JFK. Relax my man & get some sleep.
@Gradivus375 I understand that you are a US citizen.I mentioned about the Korean war.You mentioned that they are "Cousins".The North Koreans and South Koreans are not cousins.They are brothers.The fact is actualy that the Turks and the Koreans are far cousins.We killed over 200.000 Chinese of the Tang dynasty on the year 661 together.The year 661 where America was not discovered.North Korea has no allies and the USA have to leave both sides alone.If something goes wrong than we take care.
Oh please. So now North Korea should have control over where South Korea does their training missions. They have a whole country up north they can completely mess up as much as they want.
Doesn't matter what you agree to with the North Koreans, they don't care. I don't really see in which way anyone except South Koreans and North Koreans should care about this anyway. If you're gonna get involved then topple the North Korean regime and be done with it. Otherwise stay out of it.
The Face of Imperialism, 2011;
Dr Michael Parenti adds shocking new evidence to the litany of injustices visited upon victims of U.S. imperialism: expropriation of their communal wealth and natural resources, complete privatization and deregulation of their economies, loss of local markets, deterioration of their living standards, a growing debt burden, and the bloodstained suppression of their democratic movements.
Kind Regards, MP friends
MichaelParentiOrg 8 months ago
"US has the largest military on Earth" HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHA WAT A FUCKING JOKE!
ali70547 1 year ago
Kim Jong-il and his fat pig son are killing millions already. Why do you support a regime that thrusts its country into poverty at the behest of its military tyranny? China - it uses North Korea as a human shield, provides the USA with slave labor, turns its political dissidents into collagen for cosmetics, and there is still no free speech like you are freely exercising on Youtube. The hell with you.
galaxybaseone 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure some of last years hostility (like the sub sinking) attributed to North Korea was in fact United States Corp actors that were in the area. North Korea is so weak and unknown they could be replaced by agent provocateurs that want nothing more than chaos to enhance their control options, and we would not be able to tell the difference. That is not the business I want to see the C.I.A in. That's job security I guess.
rokarolla 1 year ago
STOP saying START a WAR! We (America) are still at war with North Korea! Have been since the 1953 cease fire! SO STOP SAYING START A WAR! Read your history books! Better yet! Talk to a Korea War Verteran!
Halftrac 1 year ago
the war machine elite dont like you is why your vids arent promoted. killin children and women are there specialty. they dont want you showing ppl truth
surfjerr 1 year ago
Please change title it's very misleading on a "war of the worlds" level. The title sounds like it's a breaking news story
gts5001 1 year ago
NK is like the tied up bulldog that the frat boy wants to tease to impress his girlfriend.
When the dollar was falling because of Quantative Expansion (QE), this cris was concocted to return demand for the dollar.
saadasim 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Yes, but wouldn't you agree that eastern diplomacy also has to do allot with resources? Taiwan is governed by the Rupublic of China which we fought side by side with during WWII. They were overthrown by the ruthless communists. Now PRC wants Taiwan. If were allowed the Japanese to develop an Army and use their technology they would have a military far more advance than China. Since Japan already has a strong navy it would be hard for China to nuke Japan.
chazkm 1 year ago
@scrxbandit True, but provocateurs with strings. Look to the US to find the man behind the curtain.
bobolith 1 year ago
I wish they would fight it out already so the north would finally collapse and they can consolidate. America should be giving North Korea NOTHING. They have time and time again not held their part in bargaining and we keep handing them everything. Whilst Kim-Jong Il is sitting in his lavish palaces sipping on cogniac his people are starving. Biggest piece of shit dynasty on Earth.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy there is a fear that China might join North Korea if we attack them first. Even though we can easily wipe out both their old style military who would make our furniture and clothing if we do?
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm America won't attack the north. It's not really in our best interests. Also, China wouldn't go to war with us, as it's not in their best interests. What's happened with these drills is basically the south called the north's bluff, and was right. The north is amazingly impotent in every manner, and this just showed their cracks starting to form. There's no doubt the north will fall, just hope it's from within and they hang that bastard Jong.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy I say we, the US, just pull out of east Asia and let them have at it. It would be World War III over there but at least it wouldn't be at our expense. All four countries would finally stop depending on us all the time and we would save lots of money. South Korea is a useless allie and fact that they wont do anything without us is proof of this.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm Your naivety is astounding. South Korea doesn't do anything without US say-so because the US requires that. If the US DID pull out of Asia - hell, if they just concentrated on domestic policy instead of trying to instigate problems for profit all over the world, the world would be a much safer place. As an added bonus you could use public funds to improve public services and turn the US into a first class country that is worthy of the hype that many americans believe.
bobolith 1 year ago
@chazkm Then again, the military-industrial complex would probably assassinate any government officials who would contrive to take steps in this direction.
bobolith 1 year ago
@bobolith The US requires South Korea to consult them due to the high casualty counts of South Korean troops during the Korean War. Judging by their current military tactics they have not learned much at all. You are funny for believing there might be peace if the US pulls out of that region. History would only repeat itself and the Japanese would become an unsustainable threat.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm Excellent point. The US should keep their bases in Japan. Meanwhile, they should get the hell out of Korea and stop provoking the unstable North with exercises that are intended to exacerbate tensions.
bobolith 1 year ago
@chazkm I agree we should have pulled out decades ago, but it wouldn't be ww3. What would happen is N. Korea would have their asses handed to them. Then Japan and China would then mediate the situation, and the North would be in even worse shape. The next logical step would be the final collapse of the North, and the ousting of the Kim dynasty. Then, peace and prosperity for east Asia.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard. If the US pulled out China and Japan would do the same thing as before, over throw the Korean government(s) and use the land as bases for war. China has something Japan wants, land and lots of it. If you so how people in Japan live in tiny spaces due to over population then you would see what I'm saying. The day that the US stops controlling Japan they will turn their defense force into an actual army and they will eventually use that army.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm China, especially Hong Kong, is just as crowded as Japan for one. Second, Japan has no capability at the moment to wage any kind of war against anyone, Bushido is all but dead. And yes, once we leave Japan MUST build an army, but that's inevitable. So I'm guessing what you're saying is it's the right thing to occupy these two countries, at the expense of the US taxpayers, forever, when they have the ability to protect themselves? So how am I crazy?
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy No, we shouldn't stay there. I say we leave and let fight. Personally I could care less what happens to them. My bet is definitely on Japan. Communist are weak and Japan will probably invent something to destroy them. It would be fun to watch.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm Although there is nothing to back up that claim?
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy Communist are weak because their people see nothing worth fighting for. Russia was beat out by poor little Afghanistan and PRC was beat by the same Vietnamese they helped during the Vietnam war. If you don't have a society where people can prosper then they wont be fully committed to the nations cause. Would you be committed if you were a Russian and your government spent your tax dollars on weapons instead keeping your apartment warm?
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm You're speaking in generalities. China is doing quite well right now, especially with 1.4 trillion dollars of our money. USSR not Russia was beat by the Mujahadeen with US help. Besides USSR died from empire and rampant spending. I agree, however, that communism generally is weaker than capitalism, but they have propaganda to fight for. However, as to your last sentence, that's exactly what's happening to the US now, just not with our own bills, but domestic spending.
manmanguy 1 year ago
Why does the US have the most worthless allies? South Korea, Israel, Saudi Arabia? No worth what so ever.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm
saudi Arabia is an important ally, obviously due to petrol!!
ali70547 1 year ago
@ali70547 well they have resources that we want. Why not just invade them like we do all the other's instead of having them try to dictate our policies in the middle east? They are worthless since the cant assist us in anything and we can easily take away from them.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm If U.S even "thinks" about fucking invading Saudi Arabia you will all die.
Because Saudi Arabia is where the house of Allah is.
And invading that will be the destruction of people attempting to destroy this sacred place. it will be the END.
so dont even think about it fucking american, FUCK AMERICA FUCK OBAMA FUCK BUSH, stop stealing other countries RESOURCES FUCKING FAGS, I HOPE ONEDAY YOU GUYS ALL FUCKING EDUCATE YOUR DUMB SELVES ABOUT WHAT YOUR TROOPS ARE FIGHTING FOR!!
ali70547 1 year ago
@ali70547 Fuck you Allah. Where the fuck was Allah when America laid waste to hundreds of thousands of Muslims? We own your fucking country. Saudi Arabia couldn't pay us back if they gave us all the oil they have. Only reason why we haven't invaded them is because they keep taking out loans from us. We Americans are civilized pirates and we are proud of it. We will continue to take your resources whether you like it or not.
chazkm 1 year ago
@ali70547 We don't have to 'think' about fucking invading Saudi Arabia. We are already there moron. If you would actually FUCKING EDUCATE YOUR DUMB SELF you would learn US interests basically own the Saud family. So please, read a fucking book before you decide you're an all knowing fool.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy Hahah U.S are losing like little bitches in Afghanistan, you guys are getting fucked by the taliban! you may think you're country is all "great" and "powerful" but China is just as powerful or even more powerful than your fucking shit country! The chinese will takeover your fucking gay country as the worlds largest economy and the worlds most powerful nation. I hope they become the next super power, atleast they dont kill people for oil or steal from other countries such as Iraq!
ali70547 1 year ago
@ali70547 And yet, we still have military bases in your precious Saudi Arabia. We own your most holy Muslim nation. Bitch all you want, we own you.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy Hahahah MOTHER FUCKER IM FROM AFGHANISTAN BITCH,
AHHAHAHA YOU GUYS DONT OWN MY COUNTRY FUCKING FAG THE TALIBAN ARE RAPING YOUR LITTLE SOLDIERS, FUCK THE U.S MARINES ARE PUSSIES TO SCARED TO ENTER THE VILLAGES RULED BY THE TALIBAN, WITHOUT AIRSTRIKE YOU GUYS SUCK. AND HOPEFULLY YOUR FUCKING GAY TROOPS GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY COUNTRY CAUSE THEY CANT WIN AND STEAL OUR NATURAL RESOURCES LIKE YOU DID IN IRAQ!
fuck the U.S.A ahahah China is beating you guys in everything! i feel so good :D
ali70547 1 year ago
@manmanguy Hahahah AMERICAN mother fucker all you AMERICAN people do is fuck everything up, leave people alone for once we will respect you, FUCK WHITE AMERICAN SUPREMACY!! AHHAHAHA AND OBONGO THE MONKEY.
FUCKING TRAILOR TRASH FUCKING BITCH GO HAVE SEX WITH YOUR COUSIN YOU HILLBILLY
I FEEL SO FUCKING GOOD YOUR COUNTRY'S ECONOMY IS SHIT AND CHINA IS WINNING.
may god bless the chinese, they are smarter, have a larger millitary, richer soon, and more powerful ahahhaha SHAME!!!!
ali70547 1 year ago
@ali70547 No I'm pretty sure you are merely a troll. 1st. I doubt you are from Afghanistan, if you were you wouldn't use American slang and curse-words, so that's obviously a lie. 2nd. Afghan's like religious nations more than atheist nations such as China. 3rd. US has the largest military on Earth. So now I won't feed you anymore, go talk to someone who is gullible enough to listen to a dipshit like you. If you were Afghan you could prove it, which I guarantee you can't and won't.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy Hahahha those "FACTS" are from your government just to make your people feel good about te "AMERICAN SUPREMACY", your government knows china's millitary capability is alot larger and they have 1.5 million active soldiers. And for your information you fucker yes i am Afghani im a full blood Afghan. So why dont you keep your american mouth closed and get the fuck OUTTA my country. Your soldiers are bitches even with all your advance technology the Taliban are still fucking you up! hahah
ali70547 1 year ago
@ali70547 Still haven't proven you are Afghan, nor can you. And you should also know a "FACT": The US has over 3 million active military personnel, that's twice of what you suppose China has. So please, read a fucking book troll. Say what you want from now on, I shan't reply to an imbecile such as you anymore. Go rape a 9 year old girl like your prophet.
manmanguy 1 year ago
@manmanguy "Go rape a 9 year old girl like your prophet" thats what your fucking POPE DOES not us. And hahaahha thats bullshit americas soldiers are stretched, if China lands one big blow its OVER! for your fucking murderous country. I dont need to prove you anythign who do you think you are? i dont need to prove anything im full blooded AFGHAN BITCH. " read a fucking book troll" Have you been reading those books that are all LIES? just to make you americans feel "powerful".
ali70547 1 year ago
@manmanguy Hahah you may have "conquered" Iraq and the FAT fucking Arabs but not us.
We're not middle eastern, we're asians we border with china if you look closely. Plus america is no way close to having the "largest" millitary in the world, china has twice more, and Iran has almost 4million, there elite soldiers are more brutal than your "marines"
So fuck the usa leave other people alone, and stop stealing natural resources from other countries!
ali70547 1 year ago
@chazkm How much worth is there in US, really? I mean seriously. What does the US offer the rest of the world? What is your definition of "worth"?
bobolith 1 year ago
@bobolith "Worth" is the ability to gather credit and resources by any means necessary. Worth is the ability to take over by any means necessary. By lending assets and gathering resources the United States has become the most influential society of all. If you believe humans are capable of maintaining peace then you live in a dream land and you should rid yourself of Utopian thoughts. There will never be peace as long as there are people of different appearances, creed and preferences.
chazkm 1 year ago
@chazkm You and I have very different ideas of the concept of "worth." My concept of "worth" is akin to "integrity", which would include ideas like candor, mutual respect and placing higher value on human life and living standards than on power and profit. I believe that there will not be peace until we can learn to approach our differences in qualitatively different ways than we do at present. Peace is possible, but it is not possible with the present USA-dominated ideology.
bobolith 1 year ago
@chazkm US relations with other countries are inherently dysfunctional because they are based on corruption and imbalances of power rather than egalitarianism. Such relationships are ultimately worthless. Things ARE changing, though, and the US empire seems to be in late autumn / early winter.
bobolith 1 year ago
Why are you hands tied?
notanantiGnostic 1 year ago
Why are you hands tied
notanantiGnostic 1 year ago
@notanantiGnostic There's more than one reason. One is that REPEATEDLY my videos have been excluded from the default pages of categories like Popular. Also I notice some even left out of "most viewed". Doesn't happen all the time, seems to be a pattern with videos dealing with the Middle East and Israel. That means this channel has been handicapped - losing out on exposure AND growth. AND the "News & Politics" section gets frozen months at a time. AND "911 skeptics" have negatively impacted too.
representativepress 1 year ago 2
@representativepress How much does the north korean government pay you for putting up propaganda films in english ?
acdc30450 6 months ago
I just added important additional info at my blog (link to blog in the video info)
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gregorian112 Please read my other comments and the article I link in the video info. Your comment is biased. why would you write "Regret dont mean shit when it comes from NK."? WHY would that be? Does regret mean more from others? Why would regrets mean something different to you if it came from another country but from NK it doesn't mean anything? You need to know the background facts. It isn't a game. Millions of lives are at risk, we need people to be FAIR and level headed.
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gregorian112 So it was NOT an "unprovoked attack" regardless of what the media tells you. And NK was shooting at a military base which was part of the "drill" of firing thousands of live shells into waters NK claims, not unreasonably, to be their own. NK was targeting a military base and according to the brother of one of the civilians killed, the civilians were working at the base at the time. Did the media report that?
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gregorian112 NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live ammo into waters which are well within 12 nautical miles. SK did it anyway "despite the repeated warnings of the DPRK while staging the war maneuvers for a war of aggression on it codenamed Hoguk." "The Yeonpyeong incident, therefore, had two components. One was the actual live fire into contested waters" the other was Hoguk. the "shelling took place during the staging of a major military exercise (Hoguk). " SK was provacative.
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gregorian112 Wait a minute, why are you asking " NK regrets?", did the media make that clear to you? guess not. And my point isn't the regrets, it is how the media sure as hell didn't do a good job informing the public about it. It's all biased coverage. "President Roh moo-hyun and Chairman Kim Jong Il, at their summit on 10/4/07 agreed to a ‘special peace and cooperation zone in the West Sea’, but this peace initiative was overturned, as so many others, by incoming president Lee Myung-bak"
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Those civilians were working on a military base. The media and South Korea have misrepresented what happened! AND US media sure as hell DIDN'T get North Korea's regrets broadcast to a large audience did they?
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 North Korea had been trying, agreements were made with regard to the nuclear power plant yet the US broke the agreements. North Korea has tried to negotiate a peace treaty but SK refuses. The new leader has been trying to start trouble. No one sincerely interested in peace runs right up into contested waters and fires live ammo for 4 hours. Try to snap out of the US media propaganda. They didn't inform you about NK's regrets about the 2 civilians did they?
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 And the Russian Ambassador TRIED to get the current situation under control and for UN envoys to be sent to North and South Korea. He called for an emergency meeting but US Ambassador RIce first delayed then in the meeting she sabotaged it by shifting the focus from the current crisis to going back and insisting they condemn NK for Nov 23rd incident and place blame only on them. After that she said there was no pint in talking about the current crisis!
representativepress 1 year ago
I'm not usually a patriotic guy by any standard, but I think South Korea needed to have this military demonstration -- being that communications between the two neighboring countries is virtually nonexistent, Kim Jong Il needs to understand that the South is a formidable opponent; one not to be trifled with for irrationally justified reasons. North Korea likes to fight with threats, and now they're playing the victim. That being said, of communications, I think, should be embraced by the U.S..
Incalite 1 year ago
@Incalite There is communication. North has asked for a peace treaty but has been rebuffed. The NLL is absurd yet SK has "refused to negotiate concerning the NLL." It was "unilaterally established by the Americans (officially the United Nations Command) in August 1953" The area North Korea says is their waters is within a 12 nautical mile line which is the international standard but SK refuses AND INSTEAD IS FIRE THOUSANDS OF LIVE AMMO RIGHT NEXT TO NORTH KOREA. NK asked SK not, SK refused.
representativepress 1 year ago
I guess the ROK and US governments are tired of feeding the North Koreans. DPRK annual harvest (2010) was 500,000 tons short (again). They can't sell enough weapons due to embargo. They don't have money to buy the food, so they are playing the gangster and threatening the ROK with war. The ROK apparently is fed up with this, and is going to force the DPRK to back down or fight. Maybe it's time we got this war over with once and for all.
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster Did you know North Korea said "it was responding to live fire by South Korea into its waters" and about the 2 civilians who died when it fired on the South Korean military base on Yeonpyeong island just 7 miles off its shore, North Korea said, "If that is true, it is very regrettable, but the enemy should be held responsible for the incident as it took such inhuman action as creating 'a human shield' by deploying civilians around artillery positions and inside military facilities."
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress I am not concerned with what the DPRK "says". Only their actions count. By your own comment, you say it is ok for the DPRK to shell ROK positions for any reason they see fit. Of course, that goes against the armistice agreement between the North and South. (DPRK, "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea. ROK, Republic of Korea)
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster I did not say that. And I asked you if you heard what North Korea said. DId you learn about North Korea's statement about the 2 civilians getting killed at the military bas which they apparently didn't expect any civilians to be at: "it is very regrettable" DId the media report that to you?
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress Also, you still haven't responded to the food shortage in the DPRK. Their incompetent government collectivist policies had lead to this disaster more than once. There is no incentive for the North Korean farmer to produce any more than the government quota allows, and no relief in case of crop failure. Typical leftist government policies.
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster Does that sound like a "gangster"? No. And look how damn close the South Koreans are shooting off live-fire. It went on for 4 hours, over 900 shells an hour! And they had repeatedly warned South Korea not to shoot live shells into waters it considers part of its territory.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress Not gangster as in "gangsta", but as in Al Capone. Anyhow, North Korea considers all of South Korea and associated waters "their" territory. It seems that you know little of what has been going on in Korea for the last 60 years. Anyway, what else would you consider someone who threatened you, shot at you, lied to you and about you, and blatantly violated laws and agreements, who had previously invaded you, then extorts you for money?
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster "North Korea considers all of South Korea and associated waters "their" territory. It " stop with the bullshit. The media has mislead you, when you learn the facts you shouldn't continue to playing a game. North Korea thinks it is entitles to what is the international norm, a 12 nautical mile limit. There is no good reason for SOuth Korea to be firing live ammo for 4 hours, over 900 shells an hour, 7 miles from North Korea. Look at teh link I added in the video info, it is detailed.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress Hey, I've been there...twice. This is no different than any of the other nonsense that the DPRK pushes from their press mill than at any other time. The big difference is that North Korea deliberately targeted an island they knew inhabited with civilians. (almost all military facilities in the South are in close proximity to civilians. It is unavoidable.) South Korea has not shelled any DPRK facility or inhabited land.
plbuster 1 year ago
@representativepress Further, the DPRK is calling for a "holy war" in response to the South Koreans erecting a tall "Christmas tree" that can be seen from North Korea. Let's not believe everything we hear coming from Kim Junk Il's propoganda machine.
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster North Korea "vowed a "merciless counterattack" if its territory was attacked again." WHERE did you get the idea they said that with response to a Christmas tree?
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress On an unrelated story. Look up "North Korea Christmas Tree War" on google and see the hits, they're from today. North Korea is threatening nuclear war dude, get with the program. Don't listen to me, but look it up dude! The South is just itching for a fight, and the North seems to be obliging.
plbuster 1 year ago
@plbuster I know what you meant and I pointed out that gangsters don't go around saying they regret the deaths of civilians (and keep in mind N KOrea was firing at a military target) First of all, the media doesn't make that clear and second, I given the importance, why didn't US media clearly report on TV what the North said?
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress If the press reported everything the North said, we would have been clamouring for all out war years ago. Only by filtering what they are saying through a "bulls**t meter" can we figure out what exactly they mean. Anyhow, if only troops had been killed, it would still represent a clear violation of armistice agreements.
plbuster 1 year ago
fuck your bullshit advertisements
misterpickles530 1 year ago
"South Korean Military Prepares for Largest-Ever Live-Fire Drill"
representativepress 1 year ago
@Ikoris
I didn't realize you can hear text : P
hugoavila1 1 year ago
*** Added link to article "Korean Brinkmanship, American Provocation, and the Road to War: the manufacturing of a crisis by Tim Beal (see link in the video description)
representativepress 1 year ago
Fucking stupid. "How to start a Korean War". How about actually firing shells on SK territory and killing civilians? How about sinking a SK destroyer? How about the Korean War never ended?
How about you make a fucking logical argument instead of just sighing and saying, "you'd have to be insane not to agree with me."
Tool.
infeimmo 1 year ago
@infeimmo South Korea was firing live shells first and they were firing them into waters that North Korea considers their own AND North Korea IS NOT UNREASONABLE in thinking these waters are within their territory since they are well WITHIN a 12 mile line which international is accepted BY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUDN THEIR NATIONS as waters belonging to the country. DId you read the latest article I posted a link to? It goes into detail about some of what I am trying to get across.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress Ha, "[SK] was firing live shells first...". Oversimplification and misrepresentation of the entire situation. NK/SK hostilities have never ceased since the cease-fire and your oversimplification of a complex situation in an attempt to place blame solely on SK is misguided at best and an outright lie at worst. Furthermore, the NLL was established pre-1970 when a 3 nautical mile limit was the norm, not 12 miles. More "facts" perverted to further your viewpoint.
infeimmo 1 year ago
@infeimmo @infeimmo I'm showing how the MSM gave many people the impression that NK suddenly attacked that island out of the blue. Susan Rice called it "unprovoked" but that is clearly false. NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live fire in the contested waters. Yet just 7 miles from the NK coast, SK started firing for 4 hours. "According to SK, the units on those islands, including Yeonpyeong, fired 3,657 times, or over 900 shells per hour, into contested waters."
representativepress 1 year ago
@infeimmo I know when the 3 mile line was drawn - unilaterally by the way and which NK never accepted. It is not unreasonable for NK to not want live-fire within waters it considers its own, well within a 12 mile area which most countries, when it is their own waters, consider their own waters. NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live fire in the contested waters. Yet just 7 miles from the NK coast, SK started firing for 4 hours, over 900 shells per hour.
representativepress 1 year ago
@infeimmo Oversimplification?, you wrote this about NK: " How about actually firing shells on SK territory and killing civilians? " NK had repeatedly warned SK not to shoot live-fire in waters just 7 miles from NK. And you distort things, as did the media. What NK said they fired back at was the military base on Yeonpyeong which was firing into their waters, may have been unprecedented. NK shot back at a military target. About civilian deaths, NK said "If that is true, it is very regrettable"
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Dude, if this is some fictional place i´ll gamble like hell.
But you´re speaking about who knows how many ppl getting killed just because Kim-Crazy must show his father he has big balls too.
Maybe the Chinese don´t like "DO this! DO that?". Maybe you should at least try it a little harder? Sweeten the deal?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
from Bloomberg "While China’s stance toward North Korea may not change after this incident, concern is rising in Beijing that an ally of six decades is increasingly a diplomatic liability, said Zhu Feng,"
So wildly off my position?
Why don´t YOU make the North a liability by other means than military? Only the US has such possibilities.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 And instead of asking their direct neighbour you move troops around the globe?
"Just what are you talking about friendly fire vs. Iraqi resistance? Your statement is ridiculous"
A decent global ruler had managed this differently.
And i don´t go to war because it´s INSANE.
Nearly my entire grand parent´s family tree was killed during WWII. I try to learn from mistakes and Vietnam was a mistake and Iraq IS a mistake, a horrible one.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 I pay for your electoral campaigns. I consider myself a US investment. Our cities sold their very infrastructure to US financial corporations. What my parents buiold up now belongs to US financial Corps.
How would you feel if your water can be turned off due to some foreign interest wanting you to pay more?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 So WHY you´re waging war so inconsiderately?
I mean during your latest campaign more of your soldiers died due to friendly fire than due to iraqi "resistance".
You mangle them so horribly and still think there´re mertis in this? Other than Halliburton or KBR profits?
Even now as a local nuclear conflict looms US aggressiveness is staggering.
What you´ve conquered you hold. No flexible resistance.
No retreat? No surrender? Not even partial?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
I mean even militarily this frontal assualt on the north´s bunker line is nothing more than suicide.
Seoul cannot be held if China supports the North and they´ll do it because you´re right at their doorstep! Where do you want to end up? In their "bedroom"?
Allways more?
Once the US knew that in order to make friends you need to give also.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Well if you´ve global nuclear warfare as an alternative you pick your team.
Perhaps you found my stance too much "anti-american" but technically speaking US conquered and held. US rule had a different style than the Soviet Union sure about that but technically you protected your investment AND a strategic edge on the global chessboard. The problem is US-elite still seems to believe this´ll work, despite being guilty as hell they think they hold moral high ground...
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 At about 3 minutes 30 seconds you can see Christine Hong talk about how US forces lined up her uncle and his friends, lined them up against a ditch and shot them all. Her uncle is a survivor of this war crime.
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 War crimes are not justifiable. I have another link that I am trying to find. just saw it last night for shooting civilians, lining them up and shooting them. (JUST FOUND IT, I'll add it to the video description under "UNCOVERING THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE KOREAN WAR: THE WORK OF SOUTH KOREA'S TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION")
representativepress 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 War crimes are not justifiable. I have another link that I am trying to find. just saw it last night for shooting civilians, lining them up and shooting them.
representativepress 1 year ago
So the sinking sub was an accident? Yes, let's allow the North to throw their tantrums for American and South Korean aid and whimper when they growl. I'm not for war, but for being weak, even less
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 there is nothing "weak" about not shooting off live shells right next to the Northern Limit line when that area is disputed and is within what is considered a 12 mile limit off shore for countries. The area is disputed, it is ridiculously aggressive to be shooting off live fire in that area.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Yes, it is aggressive, as it needs to be during a war. The only reason this has not escalated is because of the proximity that Seoul is to the artillery of the North. Its a stalemate and a lose lose for the South, but I wouldn't give Kim any positive reinforcement after sinking a Southern sub
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 So you're ok with going to war with thousands of lives being lost, so long as the US can keep up a strong image and not being seen to cave in? Understanding that unnecessarily aggressive and provocative actions aren't going to help in such an already tense atmosphere isn't being weak, it's being smart. Unfortunately the US and South Korea don't seem to understand that.
stroypa 1 year ago
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@stroypa
Really? The Korean War never ended. Not going to war is like not wanting to dip your toes in water when your feet are already in the pool. I think the semantics we are looking for is escalation
Anyway, I never said I'm okay with war, as put into context by my own quote, "I'm not for war, but for being weak, even less"
I understand that the problem with an escalation of the Korean War results in massive economic damage to the South since about 50% of their GDP is near the DMZ
hugoavila1 1 year ago
(cont)
However, I would support a means to subvert the Norths' abilities and willingness to fire artillery before any attack on the North takes place
If we spoke a few months ago before the sinking of the South Korean vessel, I would support the status quo of cease fire. Today, I would say no such thing given the circumstance in which they have been placed
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Perhaps i´m regarded uninformed but the Okinawa base has been prone to extremely bad US-PR in Japan, hasn´t it?
The UN paragraphs 52 and 107 clearly labed Germany and Japan as "enemies" and can be therefore labeled "occupied". (I´m just giving real names to euphemisms so calm down)
Sad also that the US has since S. Korea never again undertaken such honest efforts to rebuild nations.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Lately the US military has been more interested in covering up warcrimes than in punishing these. Also not very supportive of another armed fiasco elsewhere.
I greatly apreciate what Allied commitment has done 65 years ago but nowadays things look VERY differently.
It seems to me since Vietnam the US is on a butchering tour. You´re exterminating ppl like vermin.
Can´t you understand? Your religious frevor in butchering Iraquis is disgusting and all you do is eagerly starting a new war....
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 And it is worse than that. American soldiers lined up North Korean civilians and shot them. US air force bombed dams, records show how North Koreans ran for their lives and drowned as the US bombed their damns and destroyed their rice crops.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Cite reliable sources for this claim
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 For which? For the US bombing the damns, see Hegemony or survival: America's quest for global dominance By Noam Chomsky p182 (link to book in the video description)
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress, @gradivus375 This was in 50-53 right?
I´m appalled by todays atrocities. I can only do s.th against them. I realy like to change history but what happened happened all i can do is try to prevent ppl from going the same path again all too eagerly.
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Another way to start a korean war would be the north killing 50 south koreans unprovoked like they already have this year
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr "unprovoked"? Do you really not know the background? HAs mainstream media and people like Susan Rice made you this ignorant? These wars are built on lies. It is a LIE to claim that North Korea was "unprovoked." That's not to justify any of the actions that North Korea made but to claim that actions by South Korea were not provocative is simply dishonest.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
This is how your response read, "ad hominen, hyperbole, ad hominem, roundabout fallacy". I have yet to see how you support your claim that they were indeed provoked. Please don't define "provoke" loosely either
Ever since that video where you take Stuarts video out of context, I question your motives, and (more importantly) your credibility
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 If you read my response that way then you have a distorted way of reading. Cite for me specifically what was "ad hominen, hyperbole"
President Bush lied to the nation when he claimed we were attacked on 9/11 because of our freedoms. Go watch Stewart's first show after 9/11, is there ANY mention of that fact? I showed you the complete sentence in context.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Quote, "HAs mainstream media and people like Susan Rice made you this ignorant?". Perhaps he subscribed to your channel for information, but there really was no need to insult the guy
Quote, "It is a LIE to claim that North Korea was "unprovoked" ". Actually, to say otherwise (if they were provoked) is an exaggeration. Which attack was a provocation or a response to provocation?
hugoavila1 1 year ago
(cont)
These attacks can be titled provocation or response all the way back to the conflicts' origins in the 1950's. So which is what, and why?
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 Please, it is not an "insult" to ask if "mainstream media and people like Susan Rice" has made someone so ignorant. I think people don't have to be so fragile that the idea that they are might be ignorant about a particular topic is unmentionable. I sure as hell don't skip a beat if someone asks a similar thing of me.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Fragility has nothing to do with my point - nor does ad hominem at others with yours. Your argument makes little sense to call him ignorant if your point has not been supported with anything other than, "I'm right and you're wrong because you're ignorant". I think you were trying to state that artillery drills were not a response to threat but a provocation. I question the ad hominem because how he is wrong is not clear
hugoavila1 1 year ago
(cont)
Suppose you supported your claim and proved that he wrong, then it would make sense to allude to mainstream media ignorance, but only to exemplify the failures of mainstream, not to poison his well
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 It is NOT "ad hominem." Ad hominem is an attack on the person such as "you are an ass" or "you are an ignorant person so I can see how you get this wrong" Stop trying to undermine efforts at discourse by claiming I went out of bounds by personally attacking someone when I did no such thing. Look up "ad hominem"
And no way in hell do I just claim I am right, do you see all the info I go to the trouble of presenting. Look at all the links in the video descriptions.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Double post
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 It is NOT "ad hominem." Ad hominem is an attack on the person such as "you are an ass" or "you are an ignorant person so I can see how you get this wrong" Stop trying to undermine efforts at discourse by claiming I went out of bounds by personally attacking someone when I did no such thing. Look up "ad hominem"
And no way in hell do I just claim I am right, do you see all the info I go to the trouble of presenting. Look at all the links in the video descriptions.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
There a few forms of ad hominem; genetic fallacy, abusive ad hominem, circumstancial ad hominem, tu quoque, and poisoning the well. Just because you didn't overtly call him an ass or an idiot, does (not) not make it an ad hominem, As it is defined in my textbook, it is an act of attacking a person as opposed to a thesis. Alluding to ignorance without debating his thesis is poisoning his well
hugoavila1 1 year ago
(cont)
And yes, you did say that you are right he is wrong (because you are right, of course), when you stated that anyone who does not agree with you would have to be naive, ignorant, or insane - since you preclude that there is no reason to fire shells near the North
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 I'll be making a lot more videos on this. Rice went into the UN security COuncil and sabotaged efforts to ease the current crisis. While many people were worried about the lives of potentially millions being lost, Rice was playing games. AND when Richardson got back ready to tell the administration about the good news, the Whitehouse said they didn't want to hear from him. Do you really not see that games are being played?
representativepress 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 no it isn't, I point out the Rice and the media are spreading false info as the reason for him to be ignorant. It is a BS tactic to avoid debating the facts to start going after me acting like I crossed some line with supposed ad hominem when I did not.
representativepress 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 complete sentence in context: "As you know, this proposed Islamic center down in lower Manhattan has caused quite a bit of controversy. The terrorists hate us for our freedoms, is this anytime for us to be exercising those freedoms? Our own Wyatt Cenac went downtown to see what the fuss is about."
How in the world can you twist that into Stewart countering the notion that "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" Claiming he disputes it violates the internal logic of the quote. See?
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress
Because it is a skit not mean to be taken seriously. His words cannot be taken into context on black and white - they need to be heard along with Cenac's interviews to see that they were actually making the point that popular belief on the attack is absurd
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 There are straight lines and concepts and premises in skits. The point he makes, about not giving up freedoms would be undermined by claiming that they are irrelevant anyway because freedoms have nothing to do with it. In the skit, Stewart is the straight man. Look at the end with the other things Stewart says. He isn't saying that a mosque has been in the neighborhood for years only to "really" mean there hasn't been one. And his show after 9/11 was a damn disgrace.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress....I guess susan rice must have got to me you paranoid nut job. Yes north korea has killed 50 south koreans unprovoked 46 of which were killed in may when a north korean sub sank a south korean ship the Cheonan in their territorial waters while the ship was minding its own buisness. You didnt know about that did you? Tell how that was provoked? Dont listen to alex jones, dont listen to me, look into it yourself.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr we are discussing the Nov 23rd attacks. THAT is a specific thing that Rice claims was "unprovoked" Check out the detailed article I linked to if you want to discuss this topic in detail.
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress...so I get, to hell with the 46 killed in may! Now maybe you understand why south korea is always on edge. It really is stunning that people like you cant put aside your bullshit personal polotics and look at anything with a clear head.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr I am showing you that Susan Rice's claim that this action is not provocative: "South Korean artillery units located in the West Sea Islands, just seven miles from the North Korean coast, engaged in firing exercises on November 23, 2010, for four hours. According to the South Korean Ministry of National Defense, the units on those islands, including Yeonpyeong Island, fired 3,657 times, or over 900 shells per hour, into contested waters."
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress..wow, they fired artillery into the ocean? How dare they. Keep defending the most paronoid isolated and schizophrenic country in the world. Just proves to me you're not capable of looking at anything with a clear head.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr did you read the latest article I linked to, it is more complicated than you think. And as I have said, North Korea IS NOT UNREASONABLE in thinking these waters are within their territory since they are well WITHIN a 12 mile line which international is accepted BY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THEIR NATIONS as waters belonging to their own country. It is provocative for South Korea to do all the live firing so close to North Korea.
representativepress 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr I say it is not as clear cut as you say. Google: Russia’s Cheonan investigation suspects that the sinking Cheonan ship was caused by a mine in water
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress...you keep on crusading there killer! Im done with you.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr Nice attitude, you won't look at the article?
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress...you didnt even send me an article. Its not on my channel or message box.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@HerculesRockefellerr the link is the last link in the video description of this video: Korean Brinkmanship, American Provocation, and the Road to War: the manufacturing of a crisis by Tim Beal
representativepress 1 year ago
@representativepress....to be blunt, fuck you!
HerculesRockefellerr 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 you are correct, you cant have peace when nations are, bombing each other, having live fire drills on the borders and threatening war. but yet you seem to believe these war like things are necessary to keep the peace, and peace is what we want right? Theres been a stable peace in the peninsula for about 50 years and although the North and South have major differences theres no need for any of these military actions to maintain the peace. and remember was is a contradiction to peace.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
@IIIArrow711
The area has been stable, but not at peace. What you suggest is that we ignore the North and pretend that they do not have thousands of artillery units pointed at the South and hope that they ignore them too? What you call provocation, others call a response. Put yourself in Seoul under the threat of nuclear annihilation, and perhaps you too might get tired of fearing and react
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 last comment. How do you think every single fight begins, whether between nations, people or children. it starts with the insults at one another then comes the shoving and pushing(which is the stage N. and S. Korea are at) then next comes the bombs and the throwing of fist. lets not bring these petty little things to the next level. and every nations got their angle their playing, its just that S. Korea and America are better then N. Korea when it comes to propaganda. dont be fooled.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
lol you think osama is still alive
juice797 1 year ago
this guy sounds like he has downsynbrum
isaaclevy1 1 year ago
This is part of the PNAC war conspiracy
Yankhadenough 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 Are they?
Hmmm maybe MP must have been somewhat more disciplining recently....
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
they DO exercises all over the place, all the time.... are you suggesting that the group tasked with defending that location should be transported to the other side of the country for their training? do you think we should pull all the anti Russian/Chinese ships out of the west pacific? maybe we could keep them all in california...
killpiezero 1 year ago
@Gradivus375
I think that you gravely misunderstand the kind of loyalty and support commanded by people rallied against the US. Not to mention people fiercely loyal to Bin Laden for the roles played in the war against the Russians.
Mathenaut 1 year ago
South Korea has a very hard-line govt at present (with the full support of the US, I might add). People should look up the history of Korea, and in particular the history immediately following the Yalta Conference after WW 2. It's quite interesting, but rest assured, that the US propped up military dictatorships, as well as authoritarian govts in South Korea at virtually every turn since then. Declassified documents, obtainable at the National Archives, prove this without a doubt.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@55ella2007k >>> continued: not that the Russians + Chinese are innocent either, but essentially, the larger powers regard Korea as a pawn, a bargaining chip, to be used, whenever more 'important' objectives come into play. Hopefully, the situation will remain a case of saber rattling on all sides...but tensions are very high at the moment. The Sunshine policies of the previous govt of South Korea were NOT looked upon as favorable by Western powers. So, yes, the situation is quite serious.
55ella2007k 1 year ago
@Gradivus375
Why do you think that Bin Laden is hiding in a cave somewhere, cowering in fear of patrolling US forces? He's not some cunning cave man. He, along with a number of others, are college educated and know better than to hide in the one place people are looking for him. Look beyond the old media.
Mathenaut 1 year ago
If i was the people in SK id be askin my Govt why there was Artillery in my backyard
Dt0x75 1 year ago
@Dt0x75
Shouldn't you be more worried about the artillery pointed at your backyard?
LOL
hugoavila1 1 year ago
@hugoavila1 lol...I see what you did there....lol
Dt0x75 1 year ago
you know, S. Korea can claim they have the right to do this or to do that, whatever makes them feel their actions are justified. but when there inciting violence, they best better not act surprised when the North makes them back up their shit talking and retaliates in some way, shape or form. because, violence will always be met with violence.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
Excuses for profiteering.... War is a big business.. For many fat cats.
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 I don't think it is neccesary to talk about millitary power.I give the body count as a historical fact about the relation bethween Koreans and Turks.Everybody knows that the US millitary power is the greatest millitary power in the human history.I know that very well.I say only even the greatest millitary power in the world can't win some wars.Some times it is more wise to solve problems with non-weapon solutions.For example the USA will never win in Afganistan.It is not posible.
zippo807 1 year ago
I agree in principle to the no fire zone but chances are they'd still have live fire drills at the edge of that. Neither of them actually want war, they're just in a game of brinkmanship. Kim Jong-un is apparently in power there now & is flexing his muscles/testing the U.S & Obamas reaction to firing on the South ala the cuban missile crisis with Nikita S. Khrushchev testing JFK. Relax my man & get some sleep.
Deadpanlives 1 year ago
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@Gradivus375 I'm saying get your head out of your ass and demand an honest investigation.
chop98 1 year ago
@Gradivus375 I understand that you are a US citizen.I mentioned about the Korean war.You mentioned that they are "Cousins".The North Koreans and South Koreans are not cousins.They are brothers.The fact is actualy that the Turks and the Koreans are far cousins.We killed over 200.000 Chinese of the Tang dynasty on the year 661 together.The year 661 where America was not discovered.North Korea has no allies and the USA have to leave both sides alone.If something goes wrong than we take care.
zippo807 1 year ago
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zippo807 1 year ago
if the Koreas went away, would anyone outside of Korea really care? If anything, the rest of the world applaud it
flowerdrop1 1 year ago
America want them to fight!!!
xKilla199 1 year ago
Oh please. So now North Korea should have control over where South Korea does their training missions. They have a whole country up north they can completely mess up as much as they want.
Doesn't matter what you agree to with the North Koreans, they don't care. I don't really see in which way anyone except South Koreans and North Koreans should care about this anyway. If you're gonna get involved then topple the North Korean regime and be done with it. Otherwise stay out of it.
Visfen 1 year ago
north koreans pussied out .