@hobeeorchid They sound "harsh" to the ear. I know its a bit biased and as a Cantonese speaker myself one could say my tongue is harsh too. Also there is no unity like most of my neighbours are Chinese but we must use English because one speaks Mandarin the other speaks Shanghainese or Hokkien etc.
@BAIYUE1 yeah. but not for my town in medan(indonesia) because hokkien become our mother tongue here. for indonesian with chinese descent :) and I hope hokkien language will always exist.
But you can't maintain hokkien language if in homeland of Hokkien is Taiwan and Fukkien, They don't teach hokkien in school for chidren,and don't promote hokkien.
In Taiwan schools do teach children Hokkien (which is called Taiwanese here) at school right now, but I kind of doubt the result would be good in major cities. I think saving our language should begin from each and every one of us, whether we already speak extremely fluent Hokkien or not. When elders who obviously speaks Hokkien talk to you in Mandarin, we should respond in Hokkien and tell them that if we don't we will lose the language forever.
Actually, School is the best place to maintain Hokkien language(Taiwanese language). Because Children will love to speak Hokkien and speak fluently hokkien when they was taught hokkien from small.
Secondly, Hokkien also need have strongly media which to promote hokkien language, and introduce Taiwanese language to the world
What I mean is, it's like English classes in non-anglophone countries -- they arrange certain periods for teaching Taiwanese every week, but out of those periods, all the other classes are taught in Mandarin... well, at least in cities. I think what is probably workable at school is that they start an immersion program for the language (like certain schools in Canada, as I know from the Internet) and teach every subject in Hokkien in the program.
And I agree that we should have a strong main-stream media, but it should have no program related to politics. I personally like it that the Hakka Channel marks which sub-dialect each of its program uses, so that the audience knows which accent the characters talk with. They even dub cartoons in Hakka. However I still think it's essential that we, who grew up in a time when people were't that aware of Hokkien and Hakka, use it very often in our everyday life.
IDK but this Hokkien doesnt sound like the Hokkien my Chinese relatives in the Philippines would speak... cuz my cousin who's half filipino/chinese speaks Hokkien fluently, but can understand Mandarin...
we have onwer writing system 'khoa dau'.and don't lies about it.Han lies that Yue don't have writing system,but all Han say is wrong.Yue has great civilization,has writing system.
And remember that Fukkien is descendant of Minyue,Cantonese is descendant of nan yue,Zhuang is descendant of Ou Yue and Vietnamese is descendant of Ou Luo=Ou Yue + Luo Yue.So you admit Han chinese,so now only Vietnamese is truly descendant of Yue.Don't lies that Vietnamese is not Yue.It is funny and nonsense.
And chinese government always say "Cantonese,hakka,teochow,fukkien,or shanghainese,..." is Han chinese.
But why they call "mandarin is official language while Cantonese,hakka,fukkienese,...is only dialect"
why they only teach mandarin in school,not teach Cantonese,or hakka,...in school?So,are they HAn chinese?or It is simply joking of chinese mandarin government?
@BAIYUE1 maybe its because more people speak mandarin in china so that common people can communicate with eachother using just one common dielect,alot speak canto too,but you have to pick one so they picked mandarin cus mandarin is traditional and alot more people speaks it in china,lets say they changed it the hakka,are you gonna say they are a joking hakka government? language has nothing to do with governments,its just something we communicate with..
@BAIYUE1 its reasonable,i'm not supporting the ban of all other dielects but i do think that if eveybody is able to communicate with eachother in china with just one language,that would be alot better and have cultural similarity and regional too,thus less conflicts
So my question is whether Mandarin government used "nationalitism" to promote Mandarin while forget other chinese language(especially of Han chinese) as Cantonese,Fukkienese,Wu,Gan,.....
@BAIYUE1 how should i know? i speak mandarin,cantonese,dont speak hakka but i can understand it when i hear it,reason why the chinese government is doing that is because they wanted to unify the country even more,not just national unified,but in language and culture too,just like in japan,they wanted their people to share a common culture and be able to understand with eachother,because too many cultures lead to divisions of regions and will eventually lead to civil conflicts
@BAIYUE1 Har? why sad for me? i dont understand u, ur not even talking sense. ur sentence is hanging. =.=" u nid some english class before telling someone that their language is condemn or what sort ever.
@BAIYUE1 so what if it's latin, you're using a foreign language ha ha ha. btw,french alphabet are latin characters that has an influence in vietnam. that's right, that's why chu quoc ngu (or whatever it's spelled) has french influence. and btw, before that, you once wrote in chinese too, another foreign language.
not to mention even at the present day, vietnamese spoken vocabulary borrowed a lot from chinese words.
@BAIYUE1 chinese: mandarin, cantonese, hokkien, wu, and many others. the fact that those different chinese languages have many similarities to one another more any other languages shows how their related.
vietnamese on the other hand is so different. vietnamese is closer to the cambodian language, because you're all under the austroasiatic family. in fact, your land was once part of the kmher empire and the champa empire. nothing to do with yue.
@BAIYUE1 you have no knowledge of the chinese languages. did you know the mandarin and cantonese (although as unintelligible it is for the most part) actually sounds more similar to each other compared between hokkien and mandarin, or hokkien and cantonese?
but hokkien has similarities too.
but if you say it's different, why do you say vietnam is part of yue when the vietnamese language compared with any of the yue languages is like comparing apples with oranges.
@BAIYUE1 i already told you that cantonese IS A LANGUAGE last week. same as hokkien, wu, mandarin, hakka etc etc.
i already told that they are UNINTELLIGIBLE in most cases. you know what that means? it means they can't understand each other, which proves they are languages, not dialects. why are you repeating what i said a week ago?
i just made a comparison where some mandarin-cantonese words are closer compared to mandarin-hokkien. my beijing friend even admitted this to me when i was there.
@BAIYUE1 you seem to be confusing hokkien or cantonese as just being a dialect. they are languages just like mandarin, and they are all part of the sinitic/chinese language group.
we have our own spoken languages and dialects, and our own writing too. i'm part hokkien and proud chinese. we dont associate ourselves with you vietnamese, who are not even yue. you just adopted our stuff when we ruled you, and you attached on like leeches.
And funny when you speak hokkien is dialect as if you afraid mandarin government.
Vietnamese is Yue,don't deny it.You need read more about to Vietnamese.We are proud to be Yue,not same as you.You are only slave of Mandarin,speak language of mandarin and lost root.
@BAIYUE1 you have no proof whatsoever that you are yue. you just think that way because of the name "viet nam or nam viet". guess where that name is derived from? yes, it's from the kingdom of nanyue, a chinese kingdom that was started by zhao tuo (a former chinese general who came from the north that when down to the south, by the order of qin shi huang di, and destroyed au lac). parts of modern-day northern vietnam was part of nanyue, and viets adopted it's derived name ever since.
You know nothing Nanyue kingdom.Prime minister of Nanyue kingdom is "Lu Gia who was born in north Vietnam,general of nan yue is "Langcong is also was born in north Vietnam(now).Wife of zhaotuo was born in village near Ha noi(now).
All of Nan yue kingdom is Yue people.zhao tuo is descendant of zhao kingdom,not of Quin kingdom.
@BAIYUE1 zhao kingdom? why are you even going there? is it because zhao tuo is from hebei province? so what? qin kingdom isnt the only chinese tribe. it just happens that qin united all of the chinese tribes. so even if zhao tuo is not from the qin, he's still chinese. and during the qin dynasty, zhao tuo was a general serving the qin emperor.
dont tell me you're claiming the zhao kingdom is related to you now haha. you veitnamese always claim unrelated people and cultures that are far north.
Yes,I mention zhao tuo as descendant of zhao kingdom.
Even that,I still admire zhao tuo,because zhao tuo emperor help unite all of Baiyue tribes to Nan Yue kingdom as Min Yue(fukkien province now),Nan Yue(Guangdong),Luo Yue(North Vietnam and Hainnan province),Ou Yue(Guangxi,part of yunnan),part of Hunnan province.
@BAIYUE1 yeah, but zhao tuo is still a chinese person from the north. and how did he unite the "bai yue"? he only was the king of nanyue.
did you know he encouraged han chinese from the north to move south to his kingdom? did you know he's the one who spread the use of both the spoken and written forms of the chinese language in nanyue? did you know that he's the one who destroyed the remaining dong son culture? in other words, he united baiyue with chinese culture!
Zhao tuo unite Guangdong,Guangxi,Fukkien,Hainnan,part of Hunnan,North Vietnam become Nan Yue where has Luo Yue,Ou Yue,Min Yue,..it is reason why I call Zhao tuo help unite Baiyue.
Not king,Zhao tuo is emperor.I know Zhao tuo encourage harmony between chinese and Yue,in addition ,encourage Baiyue unite.Zhao tuo was Yue assimilate ̣,chinese history write that zhao tuo live in Yue so long,and become part of Yue culture.
Problem is Zhao tuo is not the first emperor of Baiyue,before him has many King of Yue.So it is not problem when Zhao tuo came from Hei bei ̣̣̣(zhao kingdom,not Quin).Zhao tuo has wife is Yue,he killed all of Quin(chinese) leader in Nan Yue,use leader is Yue( as Lu gIa prime minister,Lang cong genneral)...use Yue troops.So of course,Nan Yue speak language of Yue,not chinese.Zhao tuo encourage Baiyue,culture,not destroyed it.
@BAIYUE1 and who cares about nanyue's pm, or general, or his wife, the most important fact you have to know is nanyue was created by zhao tuo, a chinese general that was born way up north in china that was sent down south and basically destroyed any remnants of the dong son culture. haha.
do you deny this? i bet you at least want to. i know it must be hard for you to accept that your emperor was a chinese general, who is responsible of the shaping of your current hybrid culture you have now ha
@BAIYUE1 before zhao tuo came, you had kingdoms? and then when zhao tuo came, he destroyed them, BUT united them at the same time? is that what you're saying? lol, zhao tuo united it with chinese culture and chinese immigrants. that's why even some viet treat zhao tuo as an invader.
and like i told you before, vietnamese are part of dongson, and dongson is closer with mon, khmer, chams, thai (southeast asia) than they are with the yue in the north (southern china). do you understand that??
@BAIYUE1 it's funny, that my fellow hokkien, and the cantonese friends i have NEVER include vietnamese as part of the yue. why is that? maybe because we know who the true yue people are.
many vietnamese say that the fall of the trieu (zhao tuo) dynasty was the marking of the first chinese domination (by the han dynasty) in their history. but they never want to admit that the trieu dynasty is a chinese dominated dynasty. cant you see the irony of regarding zhao tuo your heroic emperor? haha!
It is only communist party don't admit zhaotuo and nan yue.Vietnamese from past to now always admit Nanyue.I think perhaps because impact of chinese communist to Vietnam communist.
So is only Vietnamese proud to be Yue,you or cantonese have nothing proud with Yue.Shame on you,you are Han chinese,and have nothing to do with our Yue.
@BAIYUE1 what do you mean it's the communist party? what ever they are saying, zhao tuo does have a relation with nanyue kingdom because he CREATED it.
the only thing you dont understand is the vietnamese has nothing to do with yue. stick to your own dongson culture. maybe the communist party in vietnam is telling their own people that they are yue, that's why there are misinformed people like you.
@BAIYUE1 you are right about one thing though, i am a han chinese and proud of it.
we hokkien make up about 50 million of the 1.3 billion han chinese in this world. we know where we came from, and we're not confused like you.
you keep talking about your people being in a pure culture, speaking in a pure language, while the truth is your culture is just a mix of cultures from your neighbors, and your language borrowed so many words from these neighbors. yeah, be proud haha!
@BAIYUE1 the total number of hokkien speakers are about 50 million people (most likely including people from taiwan which i can understand a little. i also understand teochew a little). and this is only hokkien, not even the entire min language.
lol, and despite what you think, i'm more fluent in hokkien than mandarin. in fact, i'm just learning mandarin in schools.
50 millions hokkien,oh big but small.Many hokkien in Vietnam now can't speak hokkien,even can't understand.Hokkien in Malaysia,many can't speak,only understand.Hokkien in Taiwan reduce from 85% in past to 30 % can speak fluently now,Hokkien children in China many can't speak good.
older hokkien will die,hokkien children speak not good even in China(also Han),hokkien is world more and more less.
So only after now 2 or 3 generation,hokkien will be replaced by Mandarin.happy!
@BAIYUE1 hokkien has dialects of its own, and i speak it. so what? what's the problem with that? at least i speak an original language, unlike you.
you know what language you speak? your written language that youv'e used have always come from foreign nations.
your spoken language belongs to the mon-kmher, and mixed it with chinese vocabulary. what kind of language is that? haha, that's what you're proud of? XD
@BAIYUE1 so you admit that you dont have your own writing system anymore haha! is that the type of language you're proud of? thank zhao tuo for that one :)
btw, khoa dau is related to the dong son culture. dong son culture is not even a pure culture. mon-khmer, tibeto-burman, and dai peoples are related to that. but nonetheless, it being related to dong son culture means that that writing is only used in what is now modern-day vietnam only. so stop trying to be part of something you're not in.
hokkien or minnan.Why you know your"dialect"(funny is hokkien is dying in Taiwan and in fukkien) is original language.when Fukkien is local of ancient kingdom of Min Yue kingdom.
I feel sad for many hokkien when their children now only speak Mandarin,and still proud to be chinese,funny.
@BAIYUE1 hokkien or any of the minnan is not a dialect. it's one of the several languages (having dialects of its their own) in the chinese language group.
do you understand what i'm talking about? whether they speak mandarin, hokkien, cantonese, wu, or etc, they're all chinese people linguistically and ethnically.
Yeah,While Mandarin was admit as official chinese language,other was called dialect as Cantonese,shanghainese or hokkien...
So how can you prove that all is chinese?when Mandarin governmenr in Taiwan(KMT) ban hokkien in past,when Mandarin government in mainland only teach Mandarin in school,ban some local TV station in past.
@BAIYUE1 mandarin is the nationalized language, for easier communication. that's why they teach this in schools. it happens in many countries. even in vietnam, they force people to learn the language spoken in hanoi.
what do you mean "banned in the past"? cantonese, shanghainese, hokkien arent banned. if they are, no one would be speaking it by now. how do i know theyre chinese? im one of them. same people, culture, and even writing. that's why the spoken language is called "SINITIC languages".
You are chinese or fake.KMT banned hokkien in Taiwan in past,so now hokkien in Taiwan reduce from 85% in past to 30% now(who speak fluently).In Mainland,after communist mandarin party banned some local dialect TV.In Guangdong,Cantonese against so strongly,and Mandarin can't do it with Cantonese.
I watch one chinese programmer which say that many shanghainese can't speak shanghainese,only know mandarin.
All of them is true,and you can't deny it.you can check it.
@BAIYUE1 i already checked it because i've been there!
beijing speak mandarin, shanghai still speak wu (shanghainese dialect) but they also know how to speak mandarin. guangzhou speaks cantonese (i even have a friend who recently came from guangzhou and speaks cantonese with my friends from hong kong). and of course, xiamen, my home, still speaks the prime dialect of hokkien. people around china learn mandarin in schools for convenience. but local languages are not banned.
yeah,but you don't see chinese TV programmer,many shanghainese children or Cantonese children can't speak shanghainese or Cantonese,...although they still understand their parents speak.
I also confuse that,Mandarin is essential to communicate between chinese,but why Cantonese or fukkienese or shanghainese all is Han chinese as Mandarin,but they even has not right as Mandarin( Their children don't have right learn their language), it is unfair.
Hokkien have been banned in Taiwan is past,do you know that.
It is only time,MAndarin will replace all of other language as Hokkien,Shanghainese,....perhaps CAntonese will more difficult.Because Cantonese has Hongkong as small kingdom of Cantonese,which unique in China,teach Cantonese in school.
@BAIYUE1 so instead of saying you're yue, why dont you embrace your true roots. why is it hard for you to accept kmhers and chams as your close relatives? your languages are all in the austroasiatic language group, you have common origins in the dong son culture, and you look similar too. so why deny it?
Dong son is village in Thanh hoa province in north Vietnam.And Dongson culture,you can hear name and know that is Vietnamese culture.you should learn more
Frstly,you can go to Vietnam to see people speak one language.
Vietnamese is language was spoken by Viet(or Yue) or Jing who has 86% population in Vietnam.In china,Viet is also call is Jingzu.People who live in Ha noi is 100% Viet or Yue or Jing.So they speak vietnamese is ofcourse.
Why Viet in Vietnam is aslo Jingzu in China,because Jing is name of Jing(Kinh) Duong Vuong who is emperor of Baiyue in south china from 5000 years ago.
@BAIYUE1 Yea, Ha noi people infact look like Chinese people and used to use Chinese character and the people is fairer, i agree, but southern Vietnamese is like tanner like Malay people. what i read from facts is that people do believe that the First vietnamese came up from Indonesia up to Malaysia, thai , cambodia and today vietnam. okay lets talk about today, Today, Yue languages is called as Cantonese, Yue people? Cantonese. so yeah.
@75970138 China never forces other to learn their language? What about Tibet?! More and more Han Chinese have recently moved to Tibet and the P.R.C. is forcing Tibetan people to learn to read, write and speak Mandarin, but the government does not like Tibetan people to speak the Tibetan language! Shame on the Middle Kingdom!
@BAIYUE1 "Funny is Vietnamese speak one language.So don't force any one.It is not same china."
-maybe it's because you're not sophisticated enough to have a diverse, yet unified, language. that's why you only have one, that's all your "culture" can process.
there are minority groups in vietnam and south east asia that speak austroasiatic langues aside from viet, mon, and kmher. but no one ever hears of them.
yet here, you complain about mandarin being nationalize in mainland and taiwan?! lol.
@BAIYUE1 in vietnam, people in khmer krom are forced to speak vietnamese.
that's probably why vietnam speak only one language. that's vietnamese goal.
sure in china, there is politics between the north and the south. mandarin vs cantonese vs wu vs hokkien. but when asked about who we are, we all proudly say "We're Chinese......and don't confuse us with Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese".
you can't say any more. you might as well quit.
i'll still wait for your links to your sources though.
Vietnamese don't put khmer in to Yue group with us,as way Mandarin put hokkien,CAntonese,... in to Han group.are you understand?
Yes,you live in chinese,and you have proud chinese.I live in Vietnam,have Vietnamese proud,but I have more Yue's proud.It is reason why we always win Han chinese to gain independent.Because we know that we are Yue.
@BAIYUE1 LOL, i think that maybe you;re so proud with a very small knowledge you have about china and also all of the languages of china! Don't be like that dude!
- In fact, i don't agree with your opinion, and i think that it's so stupid when you said that nowadays, people prefer speaking mandarin than another language in their region. Each region of china can not only speak mandarin but also can speak their all language as well
yes, I only have tiny knowledge about CHina.But it is enough make me understand that Mandarin treated unfair with other Han chinese as Cantonese,Fukkienese,shanghainese,....
@BAIYUE1 Ok, so if you said china people treat those language unequally so do you also mean that vietnamese treat other ethnic minority's language unequally too??
As i said before that every country has their own decision for what do they want to use to communicate in their country and each of us has no power to prove that, china is so big and has a big number of population also the number of nation in china is so big, they can't only use their language to communicate with others
Problem is Chinese mandarin use dialect with which is truly language as Cantonese,Shanghainese(Wu),Fukienese include hokkien(minnan),...This is unfair.Why Cantonese,Shanghainese,Fukkienese is Han(majority ethnic) as Mandarin,but they have not right as Mandarin.Perhaps Mandarin has super power than other Han chinese,don't mention to minority ethnic.
@BAIYUE1 "Why Cantonese,Shanghainese,Fukkienese is Han(majority ethnic)"
-SO you finally admit that cantonese, wu, hokkien are han! that's good to hear. see, isnt the truth great? i think you're at a better place now eh? mentally i mean. now we can move on. so you can now stop claiming people that doesnt belong to the dongson culture okey?
and once again, if people are being forced to speak mandarin, then how come they still speak cantonese, hokkien, or wu? not that it's any of your business.
Not admit,I don't admit.I know clearly "Chinese government put Mandarin,Cantonese,ShanghainesemFukkienese.... to Han ethnic,and choose Mandarin is official language"
Problem is "why they are Han as mandarin but their chidren hasn't right learn their mother language in school"
Agree that Mandarin need to communicate,but why don't teach Mandarin together mother language.
I know many hokkien as you in Taiwan now only know Mandarin,shame on Hokkien in Taiwan or Shanghainese(wu) is also.
@BAIYUE1 yeah, it's really not your business, you know why? because this is only between the chinese people.
it's like me trying to meddle in vietnamese business, telling you:
"it's unfair that the ethnic minorities in vietnam cant learn their own language in schools? for example, why cant the tai people in vietnam learn and speak tai in schools? or the khmer in khmer krom? what about the cham people who are being discriminated by the Kinhs( viets). cham people want champa back!"
Problem is we don't put they are to Kinh(Viet) ethnic as way put Wu,MIn,Yue,...to Han ethnic.Ok.
It clearly not same.I'm majority and I learn our mother language in school,but you are also majority but you didn't has right to learn mother language in school.
As i said before that every country has their own decision for what do they want to use to communicate in their country and each of us has no power to prove that, china is so big and has a big number of population also the number of nation in china is so big, they can't only use their language to communicate with others. Just like India!- they speak English like a mother language!
One language can just only be developed when it can be used as usual and commonly!
In fact, people who live in the same region will use there own language to communicate ( If they have) and when they communicate with other people ( Difference area) they have to use the national language-Mandarin.
Like India, they have a lot of languages, they have to communicate by english instead to help each other to understand.
P/s: Don't put your country on the top of the world! Cheers!
@BAIYUE1 why dont you place the khmer in the same group as you? your languages are related, your ethnicities are related. you both share dongson culture heritage. why do you discriminate your fellows while claiming other people that dont even want to be associated with you?
you ethnic kinh gain independence (but you're not true yue so who cares). after over a 1000 years of chinese domination, your culture is unsurprisingly mixed.
@BAIYUE1 and without zhao tuo, without the Chinese, there would be no nanyue, there would be no vietnam.
haha, so have fun and be proud of the fact that your people bows down to a foreigner who became your emperor that forced you to change your culture and allowed to become assimilated.
haha. zhao tuo marrying a local doesnt genetically, or even culturally change him. his family from then on carried a Chinese name, written in Chinese characters.
@BAIYUE1 Nan Yue Capital was in Pan yu which is in Guang dong, inhibit by 900,000 cantonese people and all of them speak cantonese. So your saying that Vietnamese ancestor was used to be CantonesE? hmmm interesting.
No,you have misunderstand. At that time have not Vietnamese or Cantonese.Vietnamese and Cantonese is present.Ok.At that time has not also Han chinese.
At that time has only chinese and Bai Yue.
Nan yue is kingdom of Yue people,and they are ancestor of modern Vietnamese.
@BAIYUE1 So you are saying that Cantonese is a mixed being with Bai yue people and han people eh? Hmm, might be. as it is possible. for example, if i were to born in Vietnam, i would have Vietnam girlfriend by then and i would marry her and then have family and so on, Lol so why not it happen as well? i believe Vietnamese has intermarriage with the malay austronesian people as well. I'ts pretty rare saying that one has pure blood. if you say so, then i'll say Cantonese is a pure HAN as well. =]
Vietnamese has North is mixed of Bai Yue as Luo yue,Ou yue,Min Yue,nan yue,....and south is mixed of North Viet with Khmer,Malay,...it is true.
Not only in pure blood ,it is very important in way you worship our ancestor ,remember your ancestor with respect, love and relationship of time., is way you proud.
how sure are you that they are viets? hmm? you doubting Chinese RECORDED history, yet here, you talk as if nan, min, ou, luoa etc etc are as solid as stone. you're always proud of yue? WHO? aside from viets like you, WHO are these people? XD
on the other hand, you can see cantonese, mandarin, hokkien, wu saying theyre proud Chinese. and that makes you sad, doesnt it?
@BAIYUE1 i know theyre the same meaning. my question to you is are you sure your people are really "viet/yue"?
because like i said a long time ago, you most likely adopted the name "viet/yue" just like how you adopted the name "vietnam/namviet/nanyue" and became assimilated to that culture. and just because you call yourself that doesn't mean you are.
if you're really yue, how come you don't speak any of the yue language??
nguyen an+ho nguyen trung=slaves who kowtowed to the Great Ming.
DuhLie 1 week ago
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terrisahu 1 month ago
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MrBikolang 2 months ago
chinese, vietnamese , japanese, koreans etc......stop fighting.....we all came from pussy.
chanhkietphan 2 months ago
This is one of the bigger reasons why I dislike the "other" Chinese dialects...........
34601k 2 months ago
@34601k the reason being?
hobeeorchid 1 month ago
@hobeeorchid They sound "harsh" to the ear. I know its a bit biased and as a Cantonese speaker myself one could say my tongue is harsh too. Also there is no unity like most of my neighbours are Chinese but we must use English because one speaks Mandarin the other speaks Shanghainese or Hokkien etc.
34601k 1 month ago
You commet to many
okamifan670 2 months ago
Didn't the Auntie in this post, do "Hit the little man head" when she confronted Ah Nam? Or maybe not the same auntie?
amiausUSA 2 months ago
im indonesian chinese lived in medan, we use to speak hokkien on our daily life. :D
sien888 3 months ago
@sien888
But In Taiwan, KMT banned hokkien in past
In China, Hokkien children only learn Mandarin in school
Hokkien will die soon.and Mandarin will replace Hokkien.
BAIYUE1 3 months ago
@BAIYUE1 yeah. but not for my town in medan(indonesia) because hokkien become our mother tongue here. for indonesian with chinese descent :) and I hope hokkien language will always exist.
sien888 3 months ago
@sien888
But you can't maintain hokkien language if in homeland of Hokkien is Taiwan and Fukkien, They don't teach hokkien in school for chidren,and don't promote hokkien.
Hope is not enough, hokkien need action.
BAIYUE1 3 months ago
@BAIYUE1
In Taiwan schools do teach children Hokkien (which is called Taiwanese here) at school right now, but I kind of doubt the result would be good in major cities. I think saving our language should begin from each and every one of us, whether we already speak extremely fluent Hokkien or not. When elders who obviously speaks Hokkien talk to you in Mandarin, we should respond in Hokkien and tell them that if we don't we will lose the language forever.
HingYok 3 months ago
@HingYok
Actually, School is the best place to maintain Hokkien language(Taiwanese language). Because Children will love to speak Hokkien and speak fluently hokkien when they was taught hokkien from small.
Secondly, Hokkien also need have strongly media which to promote hokkien language, and introduce Taiwanese language to the world
BAIYUE1 3 months ago
@BAIYUE1
What I mean is, it's like English classes in non-anglophone countries -- they arrange certain periods for teaching Taiwanese every week, but out of those periods, all the other classes are taught in Mandarin... well, at least in cities. I think what is probably workable at school is that they start an immersion program for the language (like certain schools in Canada, as I know from the Internet) and teach every subject in Hokkien in the program.
HingYok 3 months ago
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HingYok 3 months ago
@BAIYUE1
And I agree that we should have a strong main-stream media, but it should have no program related to politics. I personally like it that the Hakka Channel marks which sub-dialect each of its program uses, so that the audience knows which accent the characters talk with. They even dub cartoons in Hakka. However I still think it's essential that we, who grew up in a time when people were't that aware of Hokkien and Hakka, use it very often in our everyday life.
HingYok 3 months ago
wat movie is this ah?? anyone can share title?
Acheronified 4 months ago
@Acheronified 小孩不笨2
xBarneyCalhounx 4 months ago
@Acheronified i'm not stupid 1 :) quite famous back then :) also try i'm not stupid 2
GustCafe 4 months ago
][_ (()) ][_! that funny use a little dish thing for the eyebrow
anko8aug 5 months ago
lol it's like what new york and new jersey is to english cept this is chinese
labelfree904 5 months ago
HAHAHAHA
revolversmoke 5 months ago
funny conversation,,,
bayandsl 5 months ago
i love this language i want to learn it so bad, this lady cracks me up
cellphone2010 6 months ago
刚刚
alvinyong100 7 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! although i watched before, watching this again just cracks me up!!
arieltortoiise 7 months ago
i tried understanding, only understood like 'suoyi, and laoshi'
cdlv5437 8 months ago
Holy shit I vaguely understand what she's talking about, since I'm Taiwanese American!
MrXentrix 8 months ago
What Ou yue? Vietnamese is Luo Yue. Hokkien is same to the ancient Chinese.
qietingfengyin1973 8 months ago
泉州音蛮突出的
qietingfengyin1973 8 months ago
the movie made me cry like mad when he died ; (
ThePidofile 8 months ago
@limalaister I'm not stupid 2 , chinese; xiao hai bu ben 2
PassionInMusic8989 9 months ago
LOL I've seen this movie before, but I completely forgot the name. Anyone knows?
limalaister 9 months ago
65, huge improvement lol
anythingnew 9 months ago
i can understand so clearly... it is quite close to Taiwanese accent! very close indeed, but with some hints of Teochew loanwords too. :)
charsiubau1 9 months ago
IDK but this Hokkien doesnt sound like the Hokkien my Chinese relatives in the Philippines would speak... cuz my cousin who's half filipino/chinese speaks Hokkien fluently, but can understand Mandarin...
jpazizile 9 months ago
Hokkien +Mandarin+English
Solari333 10 months ago
what movie is this from? i absolutely MUST watch it!! :)
crepsliekrook 10 months ago
@crepsliekrook i not stupid too or is i not stupid i forgot which one
msnlose 10 months ago
we have onwer writing system 'khoa dau'.and don't lies about it.Han lies that Yue don't have writing system,but all Han say is wrong.Yue has great civilization,has writing system.
And remember that Fukkien is descendant of Minyue,Cantonese is descendant of nan yue,Zhuang is descendant of Ou Yue and Vietnamese is descendant of Ou Luo=Ou Yue + Luo Yue.So you admit Han chinese,so now only Vietnamese is truly descendant of Yue.Don't lies that Vietnamese is not Yue.It is funny and nonsense.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
i'm Hokkien, so i can understand most of it, but their accent is a little different from ours
YULIONROCKET 10 months ago
@prophetluongsucks
ha ha ha.I'm Vietnamese.I don't deny it.
But my argument is truly.fact is fact.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
Speaking Hokkien is fun!
wwlee5 10 months ago
wow this language starting to disappear from my family, only my late grandpa, my grandma and my mom can speak this
bogellenong 11 months ago
0:13 shimy shimy shimy!
1:43 - Mar-bo-laaaa!
lovetownsend 11 months ago
oh man. My ankong and ama always talk like this :3
FullThrotlepoke121 11 months ago
@Chinastar85 ]
Monkey,monkey.Do you have other words?
And chinese government always say "Cantonese,hakka,teochow,fukkien,or shanghainese,..." is Han chinese.
But why they call "mandarin is official language while Cantonese,hakka,fukkienese,...is only dialect"
why they only teach mandarin in school,not teach Cantonese,or hakka,...in school?So,are they HAn chinese?or It is simply joking of chinese mandarin government?
BAIYUE1 1 year ago
@BAIYUE1 maybe its because more people speak mandarin in china so that common people can communicate with eachother using just one common dielect,alot speak canto too,but you have to pick one so they picked mandarin cus mandarin is traditional and alot more people speaks it in china,lets say they changed it the hakka,are you gonna say they are a joking hakka government? language has nothing to do with governments,its just something we communicate with..
Jake4595 11 months ago
@Jake4595
No,I will not mention to natural change of language.
But i want to stress you that:it is not nature.
Chinese mandarin government chosen mandarin as official language of chinese.
They also has policy to promote Mandarin,teach mandarin in school,advertising Mandarin to all of world.
They ban some local dialect TV in past.
Or KMT(one other mandarin in Taiwan) ban Taiwanese speak hokkien language in past.
BAIYUE1 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 its reasonable,i'm not supporting the ban of all other dielects but i do think that if eveybody is able to communicate with eachother in china with just one language,that would be alot better and have cultural similarity and regional too,thus less conflicts
Jake4595 11 months ago
@Jake4595
So my question is whether Mandarin government used "nationalitism" to promote Mandarin while forget other chinese language(especially of Han chinese) as Cantonese,Fukkienese,Wu,Gan,.....
BAIYUE1 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 how should i know? i speak mandarin,cantonese,dont speak hakka but i can understand it when i hear it,reason why the chinese government is doing that is because they wanted to unify the country even more,not just national unified,but in language and culture too,just like in japan,they wanted their people to share a common culture and be able to understand with eachother,because too many cultures lead to divisions of regions and will eventually lead to civil conflicts
Jake4595 11 months ago
@Jake4595
Fuck the communist party.....
klavierc 10 months ago
@klavierc lol go ahead,why u telling me that? im just the people
Jake4595 10 months ago
@Chinastar85
Cantonese think so in mainland
hokkien(minnan) think so in Taiwan
Hokkien,Tewchow,hakka,...think so in Singapore.
Mandarin replacing all of them.
Only Mandarin and you don't think so.
In Taiwan,KMT ban hokkien and hakka in past,only teach mandarin in school.
In mainland,CCP is only teach mandarin,ban some local dialect station TV
In Singapore,Mandarin campaign make other chinese language as hakka,hokkien,cantonese,....reduce from 97% to about 40%.
BAIYUE1 1 year ago
@BAIYUE1 So, what u want me to do? Lol isn't speaking mandarin a good thing?
JeromeLeong 11 months ago
@JeromeLeong
why ask me?,ask yourself!
BAIYUE1 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Lol. what dialect or language u speak?
JeromeLeong 11 months ago
@JeromeLeong
I speak language,sad for you!
BAIYUE1 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Har? why sad for me? i dont understand u, ur not even talking sense. ur sentence is hanging. =.=" u nid some english class before telling someone that their language is condemn or what sort ever.
JeromeLeong 11 months ago
@JeromeLeong
because my mother language is language,and of you is dialect.
BAIYUE1 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 my mother tongue is English by the way. but i speak dialect as well. =.=" so your point is?
JeromeLeong 11 months ago
@BAIYUE1 your mother language is written in french alphabet hahahahahaahahahahahhahaah!!!
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
ha ha ha,You are wrong.
It is not french alphabet.It is latin charactor.So what i wrong with it?
And not dialect as you.ha ha ha.Because i speak language.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 so what if it's latin, you're using a foreign language ha ha ha. btw,french alphabet are latin characters that has an influence in vietnam. that's right, that's why chu quoc ngu (or whatever it's spelled) has french influence. and btw, before that, you once wrote in chinese too, another foreign language.
not to mention even at the present day, vietnamese spoken vocabulary borrowed a lot from chinese words.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Yeah,We using latin alfabet and still speak our language.What is chinese?Mandarin or Cantonese or shanghainese,....
We use some chinese words,but chinese also use Baiyue words.So don't say as if it is one side.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 chinese: mandarin, cantonese, hokkien, wu, and many others. the fact that those different chinese languages have many similarities to one another more any other languages shows how their related.
vietnamese on the other hand is so different. vietnamese is closer to the cambodian language, because you're all under the austroasiatic family. in fact, your land was once part of the kmher empire and the champa empire. nothing to do with yue.
so what language do you speak again? hahaa!
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
ha ha ha,I feel funny with chinese as you (know nothing about Vietnamese history,culture and language)
I know Mandarin and Cantonese has many different ,compare as French and English.
You read Vietnamese in Wiki and say Vietnamese language is Mon-kmer.So you have nothing knowledge about Vietnmese.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 you have no knowledge of the chinese languages. did you know the mandarin and cantonese (although as unintelligible it is for the most part) actually sounds more similar to each other compared between hokkien and mandarin, or hokkien and cantonese?
but hokkien has similarities too.
but if you say it's different, why do you say vietnam is part of yue when the vietnamese language compared with any of the yue languages is like comparing apples with oranges.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
I know mandarin ,know cantonese and I also know the different between them.
And Mandarin is different with Cantonese,so say Cantonese is dialect is wrong.Cantonese is truly language.
It is reason Cantonese against mandarin so much.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 i already told you that cantonese IS A LANGUAGE last week. same as hokkien, wu, mandarin, hakka etc etc.
i already told that they are UNINTELLIGIBLE in most cases. you know what that means? it means they can't understand each other, which proves they are languages, not dialects. why are you repeating what i said a week ago?
i just made a comparison where some mandarin-cantonese words are closer compared to mandarin-hokkien. my beijing friend even admitted this to me when i was there.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
I still know Cantonese and Mandarin is language.But many chinese still don't know that,and say Mandarin is language while other is dialect.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 @BAIYUE1 what do you mean i read it in wiki? do you know where my sources are from? here's the link:
britannica. com/ EBchecked /topic /44541 /Austroasiatic -languages (remove spaces).
that's right, it's from encyclopedia britannica. it even says that kmher, mon, and vietnamese are the main ones.
btw, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW what wikipedia says in the first place? maybe that's where you get your "knowledge" from hahaha!!
DuhLie 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 you seem to be confusing hokkien or cantonese as just being a dialect. they are languages just like mandarin, and they are all part of the sinitic/chinese language group.
we have our own spoken languages and dialects, and our own writing too. i'm part hokkien and proud chinese. we dont associate ourselves with you vietnamese, who are not even yue. you just adopted our stuff when we ruled you, and you attached on like leeches.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
And funny when you speak hokkien is dialect as if you afraid mandarin government.
Vietnamese is Yue,don't deny it.You need read more about to Vietnamese.We are proud to be Yue,not same as you.You are only slave of Mandarin,speak language of mandarin and lost root.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 you have no proof whatsoever that you are yue. you just think that way because of the name "viet nam or nam viet". guess where that name is derived from? yes, it's from the kingdom of nanyue, a chinese kingdom that was started by zhao tuo (a former chinese general who came from the north that when down to the south, by the order of qin shi huang di, and destroyed au lac). parts of modern-day northern vietnam was part of nanyue, and viets adopted it's derived name ever since.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
You know nothing Nanyue kingdom.Prime minister of Nanyue kingdom is "Lu Gia who was born in north Vietnam,general of nan yue is "Langcong is also was born in north Vietnam(now).Wife of zhaotuo was born in village near Ha noi(now).
All of Nan yue kingdom is Yue people.zhao tuo is descendant of zhao kingdom,not of Quin kingdom.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 zhao kingdom? why are you even going there? is it because zhao tuo is from hebei province? so what? qin kingdom isnt the only chinese tribe. it just happens that qin united all of the chinese tribes. so even if zhao tuo is not from the qin, he's still chinese. and during the qin dynasty, zhao tuo was a general serving the qin emperor.
dont tell me you're claiming the zhao kingdom is related to you now haha. you veitnamese always claim unrelated people and cultures that are far north.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Yes,I mention zhao tuo as descendant of zhao kingdom.
Even that,I still admire zhao tuo,because zhao tuo emperor help unite all of Baiyue tribes to Nan Yue kingdom as Min Yue(fukkien province now),Nan Yue(Guangdong),Luo Yue(North Vietnam and Hainnan province),Ou Yue(Guangxi,part of yunnan),part of Hunnan province.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 yeah, but zhao tuo is still a chinese person from the north. and how did he unite the "bai yue"? he only was the king of nanyue.
did you know he encouraged han chinese from the north to move south to his kingdom? did you know he's the one who spread the use of both the spoken and written forms of the chinese language in nanyue? did you know that he's the one who destroyed the remaining dong son culture? in other words, he united baiyue with chinese culture!
you admire him for that?
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Zhao tuo unite Guangdong,Guangxi,Fukkien,Hainnan,part of Hunnan,North Vietnam become Nan Yue where has Luo Yue,Ou Yue,Min Yue,..it is reason why I call Zhao tuo help unite Baiyue.
Not king,Zhao tuo is emperor.I know Zhao tuo encourage harmony between chinese and Yue,in addition ,encourage Baiyue unite.Zhao tuo was Yue assimilate ̣,chinese history write that zhao tuo live in Yue so long,and become part of Yue culture.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Problem is Zhao tuo is not the first emperor of Baiyue,before him has many King of Yue.So it is not problem when Zhao tuo came from Hei bei ̣̣̣(zhao kingdom,not Quin).Zhao tuo has wife is Yue,he killed all of Quin(chinese) leader in Nan Yue,use leader is Yue( as Lu gIa prime minister,Lang cong genneral)...use Yue troops.So of course,Nan Yue speak language of Yue,not chinese.Zhao tuo encourage Baiyue,culture,not destroyed it.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 and who cares about nanyue's pm, or general, or his wife, the most important fact you have to know is nanyue was created by zhao tuo, a chinese general that was born way up north in china that was sent down south and basically destroyed any remnants of the dong son culture. haha.
do you deny this? i bet you at least want to. i know it must be hard for you to accept that your emperor was a chinese general, who is responsible of the shaping of your current hybrid culture you have now ha
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
As I say,zhao tuo help unite Yue kingdoms,has Yue kingdom before zhao tuo come.
And What I want say is Nan Yue is kingdom of Yue,not chinese.Are You understand?
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 before zhao tuo came, you had kingdoms? and then when zhao tuo came, he destroyed them, BUT united them at the same time? is that what you're saying? lol, zhao tuo united it with chinese culture and chinese immigrants. that's why even some viet treat zhao tuo as an invader.
and like i told you before, vietnamese are part of dongson, and dongson is closer with mon, khmer, chams, thai (southeast asia) than they are with the yue in the north (southern china). do you understand that??
DuhLie 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 it's funny, that my fellow hokkien, and the cantonese friends i have NEVER include vietnamese as part of the yue. why is that? maybe because we know who the true yue people are.
many vietnamese say that the fall of the trieu (zhao tuo) dynasty was the marking of the first chinese domination (by the han dynasty) in their history. but they never want to admit that the trieu dynasty is a chinese dominated dynasty. cant you see the irony of regarding zhao tuo your heroic emperor? haha!
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
It is only communist party don't admit zhaotuo and nan yue.Vietnamese from past to now always admit Nanyue.I think perhaps because impact of chinese communist to Vietnam communist.
So is only Vietnamese proud to be Yue,you or cantonese have nothing proud with Yue.Shame on you,you are Han chinese,and have nothing to do with our Yue.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 what do you mean it's the communist party? what ever they are saying, zhao tuo does have a relation with nanyue kingdom because he CREATED it.
the only thing you dont understand is the vietnamese has nothing to do with yue. stick to your own dongson culture. maybe the communist party in vietnam is telling their own people that they are yue, that's why there are misinformed people like you.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 you are right about one thing though, i am a han chinese and proud of it.
we hokkien make up about 50 million of the 1.3 billion han chinese in this world. we know where we came from, and we're not confused like you.
you keep talking about your people being in a pure culture, speaking in a pure language, while the truth is your culture is just a mix of cultures from your neighbors, and your language borrowed so many words from these neighbors. yeah, be proud haha!
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
50 millions hokkien in the world.No.Many hokkien in the world will not say hokkien,hokkien in taiwan reduce,hokkien in mainland also reduce.
Proud your Han chinese,and hokkien still reduce,and be replaced by Mandarin.Proud your chinese,and speak Mandarin.shame on you!
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 the total number of hokkien speakers are about 50 million people (most likely including people from taiwan which i can understand a little. i also understand teochew a little). and this is only hokkien, not even the entire min language.
lol, and despite what you think, i'm more fluent in hokkien than mandarin. in fact, i'm just learning mandarin in schools.
romanized hokkien: tiong kok leng
romanized mandarin: zhong guo ren
proud to be one.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
50 millions hokkien,oh big but small.Many hokkien in Vietnam now can't speak hokkien,even can't understand.Hokkien in Malaysia,many can't speak,only understand.Hokkien in Taiwan reduce from 85% in past to 30 % can speak fluently now,Hokkien children in China many can't speak good.
older hokkien will die,hokkien children speak not good even in China(also Han),hokkien is world more and more less.
So only after now 2 or 3 generation,hokkien will be replaced by Mandarin.happy!
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 hokkien has dialects of its own, and i speak it. so what? what's the problem with that? at least i speak an original language, unlike you.
you know what language you speak? your written language that youv'e used have always come from foreign nations.
your spoken language belongs to the mon-kmher, and mixed it with chinese vocabulary. what kind of language is that? haha, that's what you're proud of? XD
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
You don't know it.Vietnamese has "khoa dau" character before Qin,Han dynasty invaded.
Han dynasty destroyed Yue written system and forced Yue learn Han character.
Latin character is only tool record our voice.When we read latin character,all of Vietnamese can read same.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 so you admit that you dont have your own writing system anymore haha! is that the type of language you're proud of? thank zhao tuo for that one :)
btw, khoa dau is related to the dong son culture. dong son culture is not even a pure culture. mon-khmer, tibeto-burman, and dai peoples are related to that. but nonetheless, it being related to dong son culture means that that writing is only used in what is now modern-day vietnam only. so stop trying to be part of something you're not in.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
hokkien or minnan.Why you know your"dialect"(funny is hokkien is dying in Taiwan and in fukkien) is original language.when Fukkien is local of ancient kingdom of Min Yue kingdom.
I feel sad for many hokkien when their children now only speak Mandarin,and still proud to be chinese,funny.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 hokkien or any of the minnan is not a dialect. it's one of the several languages (having dialects of its their own) in the chinese language group.
do you understand what i'm talking about? whether they speak mandarin, hokkien, cantonese, wu, or etc, they're all chinese people linguistically and ethnically.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Yeah,While Mandarin was admit as official chinese language,other was called dialect as Cantonese,shanghainese or hokkien...
So how can you prove that all is chinese?when Mandarin governmenr in Taiwan(KMT) ban hokkien in past,when Mandarin government in mainland only teach Mandarin in school,ban some local TV station in past.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 mandarin is the nationalized language, for easier communication. that's why they teach this in schools. it happens in many countries. even in vietnam, they force people to learn the language spoken in hanoi.
what do you mean "banned in the past"? cantonese, shanghainese, hokkien arent banned. if they are, no one would be speaking it by now. how do i know theyre chinese? im one of them. same people, culture, and even writing. that's why the spoken language is called "SINITIC languages".
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
You are chinese or fake.KMT banned hokkien in Taiwan in past,so now hokkien in Taiwan reduce from 85% in past to 30% now(who speak fluently).In Mainland,after communist mandarin party banned some local dialect TV.In Guangdong,Cantonese against so strongly,and Mandarin can't do it with Cantonese.
I watch one chinese programmer which say that many shanghainese can't speak shanghainese,only know mandarin.
All of them is true,and you can't deny it.you can check it.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 i already checked it because i've been there!
beijing speak mandarin, shanghai still speak wu (shanghainese dialect) but they also know how to speak mandarin. guangzhou speaks cantonese (i even have a friend who recently came from guangzhou and speaks cantonese with my friends from hong kong). and of course, xiamen, my home, still speaks the prime dialect of hokkien. people around china learn mandarin in schools for convenience. but local languages are not banned.
you have no idea.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
yeah,but you don't see chinese TV programmer,many shanghainese children or Cantonese children can't speak shanghainese or Cantonese,...although they still understand their parents speak.
I also confuse that,Mandarin is essential to communicate between chinese,but why Cantonese or fukkienese or shanghainese all is Han chinese as Mandarin,but they even has not right as Mandarin( Their children don't have right learn their language), it is unfair.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Hokkien have been banned in Taiwan is past,do you know that.
It is only time,MAndarin will replace all of other language as Hokkien,Shanghainese,....perhaps CAntonese will more difficult.Because Cantonese has Hongkong as small kingdom of Cantonese,which unique in China,teach Cantonese in school.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 so instead of saying you're yue, why dont you embrace your true roots. why is it hard for you to accept kmhers and chams as your close relatives? your languages are all in the austroasiatic language group, you have common origins in the dong son culture, and you look similar too. so why deny it?
:)
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Dong son is village in Thanh hoa province in north Vietnam.And Dongson culture,you can hear name and know that is Vietnamese culture.you should learn more
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 The guy should learn more is you,why do you force People in Hanoi speak vietnamese？Don’t you think it‘s very shameless??
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
Funny is Vietnamese speak one language.So don't force any one.It is not same china.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Funny.You even deny Hanoi‘s language.You are so unreasonable.We never force others like you
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
You make me funny.It is only prove that chinese as you know nothing about Vietnamese.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 You make me laugh.It's another evidence that you are living in fairy tale
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
I don't want to speak with people who don't know everything as you.
You as people who live in forest,know nothing.Go to Vietnam to see fact.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 why you don't face the truth?Do you always like to cheat others?
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
I am facing the truth,saying the truth,and give you the truth.You can check everything i speak.
and you don't face the truth,not me.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 You are avoiding the truth saying the lie give me the fake.do you always Masterbate
I always face the truth not as you
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
You can ask me any question.I'm never avoid any question.OK.
Now ask me,and I will aswer you.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 why force People in Hanoi speak Vietnamese？
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
Ok,your question is funny.
I will answer you.
Frstly,you can go to Vietnam to see people speak one language.
Vietnamese is language was spoken by Viet(or Yue) or Jing who has 86% population in Vietnam.In china,Viet is also call is Jingzu.People who live in Ha noi is 100% Viet or Yue or Jing.So they speak vietnamese is ofcourse.
Why Viet in Vietnam is aslo Jingzu in China,because Jing is name of Jing(Kinh) Duong Vuong who is emperor of Baiyue in south china from 5000 years ago.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 lie again.they should speak their language
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
crazy.I'm Ha noi.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Lie again and again,you are not Ha noi
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
ha ha ha,you are funny.
Have nothing knowledge about Vietnamese,and say wrong about everything.
So are you Mandarin or Cantonese?
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 haha you are so unreasonable and have nothing knowledge about Hanoi and Cheat about everything.So why do you invade Hanoi?
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
you avoiding our question.You are cantonese or Mandarin?
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 You fear to face the truth.Hanoi should keep their language
75970138 10 months ago
@75970138
hey! you are people who ....know nothing.
I don't want to speak with people who don't have knowledge as you.Bye bye.I want speak with truly chinese.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
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@BAIYUE1 hey! you are people who ....know nothing.
I don't want to speak with people who don't have knowledge as you.Bye bye.I want speak with truly vietnamese.
75970138 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 ahahaa agree with u. just ask them takecare their own country culture lo hor...
vincentchungcw 10 months ago
@75970138
Finally,go to Ha noi*capital of Vietnam to see fact,don't say as you are people who dont live in earth.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 You haven't visited Hanoi?their language would be eliminated.
75970138 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Yea, Ha noi people infact look like Chinese people and used to use Chinese character and the people is fairer, i agree, but southern Vietnamese is like tanner like Malay people. what i read from facts is that people do believe that the First vietnamese came up from Indonesia up to Malaysia, thai , cambodia and today vietnam. okay lets talk about today, Today, Yue languages is called as Cantonese, Yue people? Cantonese. so yeah.
JeromeLeong 8 months ago
@75970138
so have any else question?
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@75970138 China never forces other to learn their language? What about Tibet?! More and more Han Chinese have recently moved to Tibet and the P.R.C. is forcing Tibetan people to learn to read, write and speak Mandarin, but the government does not like Tibetan people to speak the Tibetan language! Shame on the Middle Kingdom!
Volf99 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 "Funny is Vietnamese speak one language.So don't force any one.It is not same china."
-maybe it's because you're not sophisticated enough to have a diverse, yet unified, language. that's why you only have one, that's all your "culture" can process.
there are minority groups in vietnam and south east asia that speak austroasiatic langues aside from viet, mon, and kmher. but no one ever hears of them.
yet here, you complain about mandarin being nationalize in mainland and taiwan?! lol.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Go to Vietnam to see,people in Vietnam speak one language.Don't have say more.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 in vietnam, people in khmer krom are forced to speak vietnamese.
that's probably why vietnam speak only one language. that's vietnamese goal.
sure in china, there is politics between the north and the south. mandarin vs cantonese vs wu vs hokkien. but when asked about who we are, we all proudly say "We're Chinese......and don't confuse us with Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese".
you can't say any more. you might as well quit.
i'll still wait for your links to your sources though.
DuhLie 10 months ago
@DuhLie
Vietnamese don't put khmer in to Yue group with us,as way Mandarin put hokkien,CAntonese,... in to Han group.are you understand?
Yes,you live in chinese,and you have proud chinese.I live in Vietnam,have Vietnamese proud,but I have more Yue's proud.It is reason why we always win Han chinese to gain independent.Because we know that we are Yue.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 LOL, i think that maybe you;re so proud with a very small knowledge you have about china and also all of the languages of china! Don't be like that dude!
- In fact, i don't agree with your opinion, and i think that it's so stupid when you said that nowadays, people prefer speaking mandarin than another language in their region. Each region of china can not only speak mandarin but also can speak their all language as well
denick200 10 months ago
@denick200
yes, I only have tiny knowledge about CHina.But it is enough make me understand that Mandarin treated unfair with other Han chinese as Cantonese,Fukkienese,shanghainese,....
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@denick200
Yes,I'm stupid but i still know that chinese mandarin call Mandarin is language while call other is dialect as Cantonese,fukkienese,shanghainese.
I stupid but I still know that Chinese only teach Mandarin in school while can teach mandarin together other Han language as Cantonese,fukkinese,,...
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Ok, so if you said china people treat those language unequally so do you also mean that vietnamese treat other ethnic minority's language unequally too??
As i said before that every country has their own decision for what do they want to use to communicate in their country and each of us has no power to prove that, china is so big and has a big number of population also the number of nation in china is so big, they can't only use their language to communicate with others
denick200 10 months ago
@denick200
Problem is Chinese mandarin use dialect with which is truly language as Cantonese,Shanghainese(Wu),Fukienese include hokkien(minnan),...This is unfair.Why Cantonese,Shanghainese,Fukkienese is Han(majority ethnic) as Mandarin,but they have not right as Mandarin.Perhaps Mandarin has super power than other Han chinese,don't mention to minority ethnic.
BAIYUE1 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 "Why Cantonese,Shanghainese,Fukkienese is Han(majority ethnic)"
-SO you finally admit that cantonese, wu, hokkien are han! that's good to hear. see, isnt the truth great? i think you're at a better place now eh? mentally i mean. now we can move on. so you can now stop claiming people that doesnt belong to the dongson culture okey?
and once again, if people are being forced to speak mandarin, then how come they still speak cantonese, hokkien, or wu? not that it's any of your business.
DuhLie 9 months ago
@DuhLie
Not admit,I don't admit.I know clearly "Chinese government put Mandarin,Cantonese,ShanghainesemFukkienese.... to Han ethnic,and choose Mandarin is official language"
Problem is "why they are Han as mandarin but their chidren hasn't right learn their mother language in school"
Agree that Mandarin need to communicate,but why don't teach Mandarin together mother language.
I know many hokkien as you in Taiwan now only know Mandarin,shame on Hokkien in Taiwan or Shanghainese(wu) is also.
BAIYUE1 9 months ago
@BAIYUE1 yeah, it's really not your business, you know why? because this is only between the chinese people.
it's like me trying to meddle in vietnamese business, telling you:
"it's unfair that the ethnic minorities in vietnam cant learn their own language in schools? for example, why cant the tai people in vietnam learn and speak tai in schools? or the khmer in khmer krom? what about the cham people who are being discriminated by the Kinhs( viets). cham people want champa back!"
damn im good.
DuhLie 9 months ago
@DuhLie
Problem is we don't put they are to Kinh(Viet) ethnic as way put Wu,MIn,Yue,...to Han ethnic.Ok.
It clearly not same.I'm majority and I learn our mother language in school,but you are also majority but you didn't has right to learn mother language in school.
It is different between you and me.
BAIYUE1 9 months ago
As i said before that every country has their own decision for what do they want to use to communicate in their country and each of us has no power to prove that, china is so big and has a big number of population also the number of nation in china is so big, they can't only use their language to communicate with others. Just like India!- they speak English like a mother language!
One language can just only be developed when it can be used as usual and commonly!
denick200 10 months ago
In fact, people who live in the same region will use there own language to communicate ( If they have) and when they communicate with other people ( Difference area) they have to use the national language-Mandarin.
Like India, they have a lot of languages, they have to communicate by english instead to help each other to understand.
P/s: Don't put your country on the top of the world! Cheers!
denick200 10 months ago
@BAIYUE1 why dont you place the khmer in the same group as you? your languages are related, your ethnicities are related. you both share dongson culture heritage. why do you discriminate your fellows while claiming other people that dont even want to be associated with you?
you ethnic kinh gain independence (but you're not true yue so who cares). after over a 1000 years of chinese domination, your culture is unsurprisingly mixed.
haha, be proud, be very very proud ;)
DuhLie 9 months ago
@DuhLie
I know we have mix culture,so what is wrong?
But we still know origin of us is from Luo Yue and Ou Yue people( Baiyue culture).Problem is we never forget our Yue origin.This is make us proud!
BAIYUE1 9 months ago
@BAIYUE1 and without zhao tuo, without the Chinese, there would be no nanyue, there would be no vietnam.
haha, so have fun and be proud of the fact that your people bows down to a foreigner who became your emperor that forced you to change your culture and allowed to become assimilated.
haha. zhao tuo marrying a local doesnt genetically, or even culturally change him. his family from then on carried a Chinese name, written in Chinese characters.
DuhLie 8 months ago
@DuhLie
Nan yue is next kingdom of Yue(who is ancestor of Vietnamse now) after Ou Luo,Van Lang,Xich Quy or Min Yue.
Zhao tuo was assimilate by Yue,not in contrast. And Yue only started use chinese character from Han dynasty ,not from Nan yue kingdom.
BAIYUE1 8 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Nan Yue Capital was in Pan yu which is in Guang dong, inhibit by 900,000 cantonese people and all of them speak cantonese. So your saying that Vietnamese ancestor was used to be CantonesE? hmmm interesting.
JeromeLeong 8 months ago
@JeromeLeong
No,you have misunderstand. At that time have not Vietnamese or Cantonese.Vietnamese and Cantonese is present.Ok.At that time has not also Han chinese.
At that time has only chinese and Bai Yue.
Nan yue is kingdom of Yue people,and they are ancestor of modern Vietnamese.
BAIYUE1 8 months ago
@BAIYUE1 So you are saying that Cantonese is a mixed being with Bai yue people and han people eh? Hmm, might be. as it is possible. for example, if i were to born in Vietnam, i would have Vietnam girlfriend by then and i would marry her and then have family and so on, Lol so why not it happen as well? i believe Vietnamese has intermarriage with the malay austronesian people as well. I'ts pretty rare saying that one has pure blood. if you say so, then i'll say Cantonese is a pure HAN as well. =]
JeromeLeong 8 months ago
@JeromeLeong
Vietnamese has North is mixed of Bai Yue as Luo yue,Ou yue,Min Yue,nan yue,....and south is mixed of North Viet with Khmer,Malay,...it is true.
Not only in pure blood ,it is very important in way you worship our ancestor ,remember your ancestor with respect, love and relationship of time., is way you proud.
We always proud to be Yue.
BAIYUE1 8 months ago
@BAIYUE1 Nan yue,Min Yue,Ou yue,Luoa Yue,..
how sure are you that they are viets? hmm? you doubting Chinese RECORDED history, yet here, you talk as if nan, min, ou, luoa etc etc are as solid as stone. you're always proud of yue? WHO? aside from viets like you, WHO are these people? XD
on the other hand, you can see cantonese, mandarin, hokkien, wu saying theyre proud Chinese. and that makes you sad, doesnt it?
DuhLie 8 months ago
@DuhLie
North Vietnamese say "Viet"
South Vietnamese say "Dziet"
Cantonese say "Diet"
Mandarin say "YUe"
It is only pronuciation,all of them is same meaning :Viet=Dziet=Diet=Yue=越
BAIYUE1 8 months ago
@BAIYUE1 i know theyre the same meaning. my question to you is are you sure your people are really "viet/yue"?
because like i said a long time ago, you most likely adopted the name "viet/yue" just like how you adopted the name "vietnam/namviet/nanyue" and became assimilated to that culture. and just because you call yourself that doesn't mean you are.
if you're really yue, how come you don't speak any of the yue language??
DuhLie 7 months ago
@DuhLie
When you say about Yue, I don't know you want to mention who?
What is Yue language as you know?
I only know we are Yue people(Vietnamese), and we proud about it.
It is reason why we always fight for our independent because we have Yue proud,and we never accept become Han chinese.
BAIYUE1 7 months ago
@BAIYUE1 vietnamese language is not a yue language. that's what my point is. man, you're thick.
DuhLie 5 months ago
@DuhLie
Oh, Vietnamese is mix of Luo Yue and Ou Yue. DO you know it.And now you say that "our language is not Yue".so funny
Our language is Yue's language.
BAIYUE1 5 months ago
@BAIYUE1 what about the han people that Zhao tuo brought in? lol.
JeromeLeong 8 months ago