This a program for people who want to be in training pants their whole lives. Twin time is great. Command experience is far more valuable though. Just my 2 cents.
I like the approach but I'd only do this for a multi rating. Great idea but come on...you are not an aviator until you takeoff and its you and what you have learned to get you back on the ground.What HDaviator said! Nice airplane for commercial and multi though.
@MrClayton174 Most major airlines prefer a bachelors degree, there's no specification in what subject the degree is in though so anything is acceptable.
Had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Malone today. Seemed to be a very "genuine" individual who is dedicated to insuring that he and his son's flight school develops/prepares/molds future Airline/Corporate Pilots with the utmost professionalism. The program is very structured and the Instructors are very well qualified. One of the biggest complaints that I've read about flight schools during my research is Instructor availability/experience....I believe this will not be the issue at ATS.
So, after 3 years of being around an aviation/pilot's enviroment....you leave with a wealth of information, a BA from Embry-Riddle, PPL, IFR, COMM, MULTI and "real-time" Commercial hours logged as First Officer in a King Air and/or Cessna Citation? After listening to Mr. Malone in this video and reviewing their web-site....my guess is that the Airlines will be looking to these guys for quality, well-trained Pilots....research it yourself, I'm confident that you will be quite impressed.
For those of you who have just started doing your research into a Flight School/Acadamy in an effort to fly professionally someday, I have done a TON of research and it would be my pleasure to share with you what I have learned thusfar. Just shoot me an e-mail at pilot29902@yahoo.com.
7) continued...., the syllabus/training program they have developed, the experience of their current Instructors, the facility, the "real-time" Corporate Commercial flying experience as FO, ALL time in Twins and a Bachelors Degree....after ALL of the research I have done....Airline Training Solutions is the only way to go!
6) continued....they better know the "basics" or they can "kiss" that check-ride with the designated FAA Examiner "GOOD-BYE" ! 6) In response to the UND student....CONGRATS on your solo cross country and remember, students of the ATS program do "graduate" after 3-years with a Bachelors degree from Embry-Riddle....certainly in know way a " fast-track" to the airlines. 7) If you compare the price of ATS's program to that of others, continued....
continued....5) I would be just as happy flying with a Pilot whose TT has been logged in a 152 or "similar" as I would a Twin....remember, 100% of their time is not "supervised", therefore, they are learning the "basics of flying". Must it be that the "basics of flying" are to be performed in a 152 or "similar"? 6) Remember that this program is geared for the aspiring Airline/Corporate Pilot, the Technam Twin would be/is the "152" for "learning the basics" in this field. continued....
1) A comparable 172 would be very close to the same price to operate per hour. 2) He is not stating that 100% of the solo time will be supervised. 3) In reference to Rod Machado's article....if you are a new pilot, this would be the plane you would "currently fly", most Acadamy/Flight School students are zero time. 4) No one says that a 190 hour grad would be "ready for the airlines"....If you check out their web-site, you will read the part about becoming a CFI to build time. Continued....
Rod Machado wrote a good article... it basically said to fly the airplane you're currently flying, not the one you want to fly in five or ten years. It's fine and dandy if you want to fly for an airline, but get old-fashioned real-world experience first. I can't imagine how bad these pilots are going to be... 190 hour commerical pilots that have never flown by themselves, that think they're entitled to an "airline job" because they went through this program. Go be a CFI for a while guys!
@EightCharlieFox We never said our students would go straight to the airlines in 190 hours. Our students will have the ability to log multi engine time with our company and a variety of other companies that we have networked with, once they have built enough time and proven themselves to be superb pilots. Besides, at less than $250 a flight hour, wouldn't YOU rather fly a twin engine aircraft too? :-)
While multi time is great, this is concept has a very narrow scope and doesn't really look at the big picture from what I'm seeing. As others have said, a supervised solo is an oxymoron. It may be allowed under 141 regs, but it doesn't do much to build confidence. The other part is the cost, $195 an hour is not comparable to any 172 I've ever seen. In fact, I can go rent a Dutchess for less. Even with teh best of intentions, the end result an an unconfident, broke student.
@aviator147 Airline Training Solutions is in no way a "fast track" program. As a matter of fact, we hold our students to the highest standards possible, and train in a regimented system that allows them to fly often and earn their degree while doing so. The main differences between our program and other college programs are that we do all of the flight training in a twin engine aircraft, we own a charter company that allows students to fly right seat in some of our jets, and our students learn
@aviator147 crew resource management, pressurization systems, and other very important systems training that isn't offered at many of the other flight training schools.
@SterlingFlightTraini ...actually all that is offered at UND...including courses specifically for airline career planning, we have our own pressure chamber..spatial disorientation simulator, FRASCA warrior , 172, Seminole sims, CRJ 200 FTD...
@aviator147 It sounds like UND is a great school. I said MANY school don't offer those programs. Not ALL. ATS may not be a good fit for you, but do you really think it is necessary to bash a program when you have never even visited the facility? You will fly with pilots who earned their wings in a variety of different ways. It would behoove you to try to play nice with all of them, even if they aren't UND graduates. :-)
@SterlingFlightTraini .. im sorry, i didnt mean to bash anyone...im just saying a lot of these programs advertise flight training as if they were selling cars..i flew before UND, so I know many pilots from different backgrounds.. i just feel like some schools are more about getting the ratings than actually teaching/instructing, ...i can have a commercial license, but not know what i should because I did the minimum amount of work to get it...if that makes sense
@aviator147 the owner of our flight school is very adament about making sure that there is a clear distinction between "fast track" programs and our program. While our students will be flying close to every day, we put a clear emphasis on both college training and studying as well. We want our students to learn the same way they will be working and training once they go to the airlines.
A supervised solo isn't a solo. The point of the solo is to be alone. Having an instructor next to you, even if he is not supposed to say anything is nothing like being by yourself. Having nobody to help you out if you make a mistake. The aviation industry, in my opinion, needs more stringent standards. I can see this perhaps attracting people that wan't multi time, however, I will never wan't to fly with someone who hasn't at least flown a 152 or similar by themselves. Its the basics of flying.
@HDaviator It is easy to add a single engine add-on and rent a plane to fly for fun. More importantly, however, our students will be able to fly solo. However, we won't allow a private pilot with 30 hours of flight time to log solo time in a brand new, complex aircraft. This program isn't designed for students wanting to fly their friends across the lake for lunch. It is designed to groom future pilots who want to gain the most knowledge and experience possible in this timeframe.
@SterlingFlightTraini Its nice of you to reply. It would be great if you guys made a video explaining your program more clearly than just an advert on AVweb because there seems to be a fair bit of confusion. I got a few ratings at the ATP right next door to you before you guys announced this program. I have to say I would have much rather flown brand new tecnams than the old seminoles at ATP. With that said, I think an SE add-on should be part of the program along with some real solo time.
@HDaviator Since the program is new we will be tweeking things as we go to find what is most beneficial for the students. I appreciate your input. Please feel free to come by and check out the flight school and the Tecnam whenever you are around!!
i think need more power.
eltajito1 1 month ago
This a program for people who want to be in training pants their whole lives. Twin time is great. Command experience is far more valuable though. Just my 2 cents.
KingOfBanks 3 months ago
I like the approach but I'd only do this for a multi rating. Great idea but come on...you are not an aviator until you takeoff and its you and what you have learned to get you back on the ground.What HDaviator said! Nice airplane for commercial and multi though.
bigblockz8 5 months ago
do you HAVE to have a bachelors degree to be an airline pilot?
MrClayton174 8 months ago
@MrClayton174 Most major airlines prefer a bachelors degree, there's no specification in what subject the degree is in though so anything is acceptable.
strovrpwr 3 weeks ago
Had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Malone today. Seemed to be a very "genuine" individual who is dedicated to insuring that he and his son's flight school develops/prepares/molds future Airline/Corporate Pilots with the utmost professionalism. The program is very structured and the Instructors are very well qualified. One of the biggest complaints that I've read about flight schools during my research is Instructor availability/experience....I believe this will not be the issue at ATS.
pilot29902 8 months ago
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So, after 3 years of being around an aviation/pilot's enviroment....you leave with a wealth of information, a BA from Embry-Riddle, PPL, IFR, COMM, MULTI and "real-time" Commercial hours logged as First Officer in a King Air and/or Cessna Citation? After listening to Mr. Malone in this video and reviewing their web-site....my guess is that the Airlines will be looking to these guys for quality, well-trained Pilots....research it yourself, I'm confident that you will be quite impressed.
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For those of you who have just started doing your research into a Flight School/Acadamy in an effort to fly professionally someday, I have done a TON of research and it would be my pleasure to share with you what I have learned thusfar. Just shoot me an e-mail at pilot29902@yahoo.com.
Tio2Man1969 8 months ago 2
7) continued...., the syllabus/training program they have developed, the experience of their current Instructors, the facility, the "real-time" Corporate Commercial flying experience as FO, ALL time in Twins and a Bachelors Degree....after ALL of the research I have done....Airline Training Solutions is the only way to go!
Tio2Man1969 8 months ago 2
6) continued....they better know the "basics" or they can "kiss" that check-ride with the designated FAA Examiner "GOOD-BYE" ! 6) In response to the UND student....CONGRATS on your solo cross country and remember, students of the ATS program do "graduate" after 3-years with a Bachelors degree from Embry-Riddle....certainly in know way a " fast-track" to the airlines. 7) If you compare the price of ATS's program to that of others, continued....
Tio2Man1969 8 months ago 2
continued....5) I would be just as happy flying with a Pilot whose TT has been logged in a 152 or "similar" as I would a Twin....remember, 100% of their time is not "supervised", therefore, they are learning the "basics of flying". Must it be that the "basics of flying" are to be performed in a 152 or "similar"? 6) Remember that this program is geared for the aspiring Airline/Corporate Pilot, the Technam Twin would be/is the "152" for "learning the basics" in this field. continued....
Tio2Man1969 8 months ago 2
1) A comparable 172 would be very close to the same price to operate per hour. 2) He is not stating that 100% of the solo time will be supervised. 3) In reference to Rod Machado's article....if you are a new pilot, this would be the plane you would "currently fly", most Acadamy/Flight School students are zero time. 4) No one says that a 190 hour grad would be "ready for the airlines"....If you check out their web-site, you will read the part about becoming a CFI to build time. Continued....
Tio2Man1969 8 months ago 2
Rod Machado wrote a good article... it basically said to fly the airplane you're currently flying, not the one you want to fly in five or ten years. It's fine and dandy if you want to fly for an airline, but get old-fashioned real-world experience first. I can't imagine how bad these pilots are going to be... 190 hour commerical pilots that have never flown by themselves, that think they're entitled to an "airline job" because they went through this program. Go be a CFI for a while guys!
EightCharlieFox 10 months ago
@EightCharlieFox We never said our students would go straight to the airlines in 190 hours. Our students will have the ability to log multi engine time with our company and a variety of other companies that we have networked with, once they have built enough time and proven themselves to be superb pilots. Besides, at less than $250 a flight hour, wouldn't YOU rather fly a twin engine aircraft too? :-)
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
While multi time is great, this is concept has a very narrow scope and doesn't really look at the big picture from what I'm seeing. As others have said, a supervised solo is an oxymoron. It may be allowed under 141 regs, but it doesn't do much to build confidence. The other part is the cost, $195 an hour is not comparable to any 172 I've ever seen. In fact, I can go rent a Dutchess for less. Even with teh best of intentions, the end result an an unconfident, broke student.
mojopilot85 11 months ago
Solo Cross Country at UND tomorrow! We should be getting airline jobs when we graduate..not these fast track to the airlines programs....
aviator147 11 months ago
@aviator147 Airline Training Solutions is in no way a "fast track" program. As a matter of fact, we hold our students to the highest standards possible, and train in a regimented system that allows them to fly often and earn their degree while doing so. The main differences between our program and other college programs are that we do all of the flight training in a twin engine aircraft, we own a charter company that allows students to fly right seat in some of our jets, and our students learn
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
@aviator147 crew resource management, pressurization systems, and other very important systems training that isn't offered at many of the other flight training schools.
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
@SterlingFlightTraini ...actually all that is offered at UND...including courses specifically for airline career planning, we have our own pressure chamber..spatial disorientation simulator, FRASCA warrior , 172, Seminole sims, CRJ 200 FTD...
aviator147 8 months ago
@aviator147
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
@aviator147 It sounds like UND is a great school. I said MANY school don't offer those programs. Not ALL. ATS may not be a good fit for you, but do you really think it is necessary to bash a program when you have never even visited the facility? You will fly with pilots who earned their wings in a variety of different ways. It would behoove you to try to play nice with all of them, even if they aren't UND graduates. :-)
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
@SterlingFlightTraini .. im sorry, i didnt mean to bash anyone...im just saying a lot of these programs advertise flight training as if they were selling cars..i flew before UND, so I know many pilots from different backgrounds.. i just feel like some schools are more about getting the ratings than actually teaching/instructing, ...i can have a commercial license, but not know what i should because I did the minimum amount of work to get it...if that makes sense
aviator147 8 months ago
@aviator147 the owner of our flight school is very adament about making sure that there is a clear distinction between "fast track" programs and our program. While our students will be flying close to every day, we put a clear emphasis on both college training and studying as well. We want our students to learn the same way they will be working and training once they go to the airlines.
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
reporting from storm and destroy 2011. yeesh what a bad year.
straighttailpilot 11 months ago
Sounds good!!
TheVittleVlog 11 months ago
sign me up.
FlyFrontier259 11 months ago
"Supervised solo" equals dual, or instruction, not P.I.C. time.
jetpowered1 11 months ago 11
@jetpowered1 You might want to look up FAR 141 appendix B section 5a. This regulations allows for the student to log supervised solo time as "PIC".
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
there's only one way to be trained as an airline pilot... EXPERIENCE
jarjarfestiveseason 11 months ago 6
A supervised solo isn't a solo. The point of the solo is to be alone. Having an instructor next to you, even if he is not supposed to say anything is nothing like being by yourself. Having nobody to help you out if you make a mistake. The aviation industry, in my opinion, needs more stringent standards. I can see this perhaps attracting people that wan't multi time, however, I will never wan't to fly with someone who hasn't at least flown a 152 or similar by themselves. Its the basics of flying.
HDaviator 11 months ago 15
@HDaviator Agreed 100%! I don't think I could have said it any better myself.
airste172 11 months ago
@HDaviator It is easy to add a single engine add-on and rent a plane to fly for fun. More importantly, however, our students will be able to fly solo. However, we won't allow a private pilot with 30 hours of flight time to log solo time in a brand new, complex aircraft. This program isn't designed for students wanting to fly their friends across the lake for lunch. It is designed to groom future pilots who want to gain the most knowledge and experience possible in this timeframe.
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
@SterlingFlightTraini Its nice of you to reply. It would be great if you guys made a video explaining your program more clearly than just an advert on AVweb because there seems to be a fair bit of confusion. I got a few ratings at the ATP right next door to you before you guys announced this program. I have to say I would have much rather flown brand new tecnams than the old seminoles at ATP. With that said, I think an SE add-on should be part of the program along with some real solo time.
HDaviator 8 months ago
@HDaviator Since the program is new we will be tweeking things as we go to find what is most beneficial for the students. I appreciate your input. Please feel free to come by and check out the flight school and the Tecnam whenever you are around!!
SterlingFlightTraini 8 months ago
i would love to go here
ILSLanding 11 months ago 2