XXXchurch: Nightline Porn Debate (part 8/10)

[seanbear90]

mONIQUE has the IQ of 10. its so obvious shes fucking stupid!

[Crashilicious]

I don't think anyone in their 5 senses should take Monique seriously.

I mean, she sucks dick for a living.

[TDS4UT]

She's married? I just don't get how these guys and gals can be married and be doing porn. Its not like they are accountants or lawyers. "Hey honey, what was your day like?" Actors and actresses have love scenes in regular movies but its not the same thing.

[mitchqqqqqq]

Porn>Religion

[zippy476]

"Kicked out of the police academy for doing porn earlier in your life"

seems to me the problem isn't porn the problem is people judging other people. Doesn't your jesus teach forgiveness and not to throw stones?

[sheltv100]

@zippy476 I guess things are different here in Japan.

[jogmas12]

i am not a consumer of porn but if one does watch porn they should not watch it alone.

[shemogurl19]

for deeper seated issues then there is a problem. Point is porn harms people,

[shemogurl19]

I think people are getting the point wrong, the xxxchurch is not debating if porn is MORALLY right or wrong, they are debating if it is harmful and I think it is.people who are addictted to alcohol are called alcoholics and they often seek treatment, it is seen as a disease and the same goes for people addicted to drugs.And there are porn and sex addicts. too much of anything is not good and when you start using things as a substitute for the things you lack or as a "cure"

[mabeg111]

No its not fuckn wrong to force this issue to all women. Motherfuckers shouldnt be doing this stuff. I really fuckn pray and hope porn gets banned so this fuckn choice doesnt arise for women and men to make this choice. What is the government thinking wow

[xXJohnSmithXxaf]

@mabeg111 Alcohol was banned. That worked well.

[mabeg111]

Monique is a dumbass bitch. You can not seperate shit, your either one or the other. These people made life a fuckn joke. What the fuck is this, worse than animals, seperate it. Ill seperate your fuckn tits bitch.

[xXJohnSmithXxaf]

@mabeg111 "What the fuck is this, worse than animals, seperate it. Ill seperate your fuckn tits bitch" There is something wrong with you...

[SillyHello]

@mabeg111 What is wrong with you?

[mabeg111]

And no its not fuckn demeaning to force this on all women. You dumbfuck your committing a sin anyway, your hurting your body. Your losing your respect, and destroying you. Its only going to help the women.  No women needs to be in the porn industry so its not fuckn demeaning and i hope this porn industry gets banned so this choice can never be made.

[mabeg111]

She is fuckn sick. Theres no fuckn difference and it goes one way not both ways. You can not fuckn seperate it you bitch. Man how sick these fuckn people can get WOW.

[silvereagle2061]

Why don't you invite me to your next debate so I can show you the real face of porn addiction.

[DelinquentBilly]

@silvereagle2061 That will be good for a laugh

[xxyc21]

The XXX church minister is promoting religion and religion is the source of more wars and human misery than any other cause.

Yes the porn industry has problems and they need some cleaning up, but there is no one shoe size here.

Some people cannot seem to break their harmful addiction to religion either.

[thegarett3]

@xxyc21 religion? or human selfishness and pride through religion?

[samkerstens1991]

Im very confused, there are porn stars that live forfilling lives, and there are those that regret their desition. but its the pron stars chose to do it, and although society may portray it as cool and fun it doesnt change the fact that anyone thinking about entering the industry knows that they are going to be having sex on camera for money. its simply a chose thing and you cant blame the industry for people that make the wrong chose for them

[PhatusAperatus]

Truth is, porn is harmful. Ask any man who struggles with porn, everything we do comes at a cost.

[SkaterBoyProductions]

dis bitch monique says she feels no sympathy for the ppl that r victimized because they chose to do porn the "wrong" way and thats their fault, not the porn industries, and she claims that she chose to do it the"right" way yet earlier on in the debate she clearly states that she herself got lucky to get a contract. So if you yourself feel that you got LUCKY even getting a contract how can you make it sound so simple and say its the own girls fault for being humiliated when they werent as "lucky"

[anonymousQ45]

i have one of moniques movies on a tab while im listening to her talk here lol

[az091186]

Completely schizophrenic

[MrFunmancy]

she is proveing something...she is BRAINLESS...

[kramus9]

Monique likes being abused at 1:21

[metallicajoeblack]

The whole debate, the blonde went off topic and took cheap shots. In my mind that closes her out of the debate, because she lack my respect

[rugnardredbeard]

@melaniestevens Wow, your talking about what is and isn't degrading. Degrade in this context: to drag down in moral or intellectual character. A persons self image comes from what they believe about themselves. Your opinion about what is degrading is subjective, and so is everyone's.

[rugnardredbeard]

FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY­YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

[seaweed810]

I love it how the guys from xxxchurch dont speak anywhere near as much as the porn supporters and they have a stronger argument

[nugget147]

@seaweed810

Sure! Inventing connections that you cannot empirically demonstrate, such as those they make between porn consumption and violence, and arguing that porn is bad because Jesus doesn't like it are both excellent and valid arguments. Much better than those silly facts presented by the opposition.

[zippy476]

@seaweed810 What fucking debate where you watching?

[xXJohnSmithXxaf]

@seaweed810 How exactly do they have a stronger argument?

[SuperDemonhunter777]

God the creator! Jesus Christ the son! The Holy Spirit the helper and comforter.

God Loves all things. See's all things! God is Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent. Gods Love surpasses human Love! God Loves EVERYONE!

Lord God, IN the name of Jesus Christ! I bind every minding thought in the name of Jesus Christ! I rebuke the principalities of this wicked. I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST OVER CHILDREN NOW! In the NAME OF THE MOST HIGH GODThe Lord of lordsThe King of kingsTheGodofgodsJESUSCHRIST

[bcn533]

@SuperDemonhunter777 You need to check yourself in to a mental institution.

[rusheena]

@SuperDemonhunter777 Amen!

[SuperDemonhunter777]

He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him.

[SuperDemonhunter777]

4-6All who indulge in a sinful life are dangerously lawless, for sin is a major disruption of God's order. Surely you know that Christ showed up in order to get rid of sin. There is no sin in him, and sin is not part of his program. No one who lives deeply in Christ makes a practice of sin. None of those who do practice sin have taken a good look at Christ. They've got him all backward.

[SuperDemonhunter777]

2-3But friends, that's exactly who we are: children of God. And that's only the beginning. Who knows how we'll end up! What we know is that when Christ is openly revealed, we'll see him—and in seeing him, become like him. All of us who look forward to his Coming stay ready, with the glistening purity of Jesus' life as a model for our own.

[SuperDemonhunter777]

John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning

1 John 3:1 What marvelous love the Father has extended to us! Just look at it—we're called children of God! That's who we really are. But that's also why the world doesn't recognize us or take us seriously, because it has no idea who he is or what he's up to.purity of Jesus' life as a model for our own.

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@mattowarrior hail satan

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@melaniestevens moron

[Kalitronn]

@mattowarrior Do you even know who Satan is? Here are some nicknames: Father of Lies, Prince of Darkness, Beelzebub (Lord of the flies), Diablo, and the list goes on. He has those nicknames for a reason.  I'm telling you, You're dealing with dark powers much more dangerous than you realize. Please, I beg you, look to God for all the power and love that you could ever want. Satan will never stop lying to you until it's too late. Then he'll gladly tell you the truth.

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@Kalitronn you nut

[Kalitronn]

@mattowarrior

Matt, I'll tell you what I've told others..... I HATE religion, because the word religion is far too small a word to contain Someone as big as God. And Satan might have a part to play in your (our) deception(s), but we as humans are naturally sinful, and we don't need Satan's help to fail at life and reject God.

Tim

[HaDeSakudo]

Becoming so emotional in this debate that it's making peoples points kind of sloppy.

[dustyleviz]

Ron justifies porn in that it helped him and others get their degree.

Well whoopty fucking do! Having a degree doesn't mean "you've made it,' or say anything about the quality of your life.

[dustyleviz]

Monique is so full of shit.

[Jakyle1]

What on earth did he say during that first answer???

[Sinsteel]

@melaniestevens Actually, it does, because degradation is purely a matter of perspective. I could argue that your statement here on Youtube degrades your reasoning skills, you could likewise argue that it doesn't.

So are you being degraded just because I think you are, even though you're adamant you're not?

[Gary500]

shy..........lol

[jros83]

typical moron "youth minister" cloaks himself in the most retarded of all trendy "youth" fashions (emo in this case) thinking kids will go for it. what a tool. "youth ministers"/"youth leaders" are dangerous, manipulative snakes. with no fashion sense lol.

[lemartravis1]

@jros83 Reading comment , looking for point

[jros83]

@lemartravis1 just take away from it that most "youth ministers" are phony, manipulative snakes. the rest was just for fluff and personal amusement.

[lemartravis1]

@jros83 Oh .. sorry. I didn't know that you knew all youth ministers

[jros83]

@lemartravis1 they ususally follow the same pattern...

[lemartravis1]

@jros83 I didn't know that you knew all youth ministers 

[jros83]

@lemartravis1 so you're just going to repeat yourself?

[komodoman]

melanie's right, degrading is degrading no matter what it's called.

[Kalitronn]

@YTConsulting Thanks man.  It's awfully nice to know I'm not alone in sharing the Truth, even among youtubers.

[LouisHeath5318]

shes hot- but you-tubes defo not great for seeing hot girls. go see Rudey Tube . awesome short videos

[galbro48026]

I said this before the guilt that any porn stars feel is the result of the fear of religion the fear of somebody telling them they are going to hell for being a sexual person. many ppl out there think about sex, and not necessarily think about the marriage associated with it but are starting to realize that marriage is over-rated where you make a vow that is not guaranteed and that somehow all those ppl witness your marriage will make it successful or the gods will bless it.

[HopefulHypocrite]

The pastor has made plenty of good points he has hundreds of thousands of members that are asking for help because this has caused problems the same way alchohal has caused problems. Hes not saying anything other then it can cause problems for people. whats wrong with saying that. Everyone is far to defensive of this industry. He and the other are both saying people call them for help all the time. You either beleive thats a lie or you accept that it has hurt people. end of story.

[ANDREWSABAT]

Seriously how does this Christian chump not realize he does not make ONE legitimate point. He is a fucking embarrassment!!!

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@ANDREWSABAT indeed

[kwanhui1990]

anecdotal evidences hold no weights...

[Kalitronn]

At 4:00 he says hundreds of girls are happy with it..... not possible. Only God can truly see these girls' hearts and how they're being torn into bits by the porn industry. Yeah, they can smile and say life is good all day, but they are lying even to themselves.

[pimpcanedaddyballer]

Unfortunate that some start with mentalities such as yours. If people could be objective in this debate and look at the evidence rather than simply start with the presumption that they know what is best for everybody else, maybe the dialogue could progress.

[Kalitronn]

Like I said, only God truly sees the heart. Not you or me. If we try to fill the God-shaped whole in our hearts with porn or money or drugs or anything else, we will never be happy. And if I offend you with the truth, I've accomplished my goal.

[pimpcanedaddyballer]

First you say you know what God sees in these girls' hearts. Then you say you and me can't truly see what's there. Make up your mind?

I suggest that you first stop contradicting yourself and figure out a coherent argument. Then you can start working on offending people.

[Kalitronn]

Sorry, I do not mean to offend. What I should have said was: if the truth offends you, that's your choice, not mine. But your defense indicates to me I have successfully proclaimed the truth.

And by the way, Jesus Christ Himself lives in my heart and incessantly fills me with an inexpressible joy, one that cannot be experienced without Him. And because of His unconditional, infinite, inexplicable love for you and me, I love you. I don't even know you and I love you like a brother. Sorry.

[bonfire5555]

@Kalitronn actually thats your belief. my idea of God is a being who allows choices and consequicness (sp?). and honestly, what proof do you have of this. you don't understand what they think, even top trained phsychiatrists have to thoroughly evaluate an individual to obtain a picture of their mind and even that is nowhere near 100 percent fullproof

[Kalitronn]

Okay people, all I'm saying is this: The Holy Spirit living in ones heart is the ONLY TRUE SOURCE of contentment and peace. Everyone, including me, has tried and failed to find satisfaction in worldly endeavors, but to no avail. Take your pick..... porn, sex, drugs, money, work, alcohol, toys, etc.

Only Christ can make us whole.

Why argue about such insignificant things when we can have a personal, intimate relationship with the MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE????

[bonfire5555]

@Kalitronn I understand what your saying and yes it is beutiful to have a relationship with the ultimate source of purity in this universe but you really shouldn't say that only christ can make us whole. I believe in god but I don't participate in organized religion so I truely don't feel whole because of christianity. and yes faith is a glorious thing but try not to sound too imposing with it, no offense intended

[Kalitronn]

With all due respect, when Jesus was walkin around back in the day, He didn't beat around the bush with the pharisees. He called them a brood of vipers to their face, but in an incomprehensibly loving way. I don't mean to be pushy about God or anything, but He is so much bigger than that word I hate.... religion....... putting God in a box on the shelf. That is not how He meant for it to be. But please don't get me wrong: I love that you seek the truth. Never stop doing that.

[bonfire5555]

I have alot of respect for you, your pretty much the 1st person on here I've talked to who looks at god and religion in a logical sense. thank you for that :)

[jesusboy39]

Craig Gross= AMAZING!!

[sharpnickelz]

Also I'd like to comment that there are plenty of jobs that have risks, health as well as financial, so the Porn industry isn't the only one that has sectors within it that may take advantage of it's employees or even put them in health risking situations for the sake of earning money.

There are people out there that get pleasure from pain, sex with strangers, etc. and business is about supply and demand.

[nukillalaarn]

There's nothing wrong in "condemning" porn, although they in fact don't. Craig and his friend are just trying to point out, that there's a problem with porn. But if people feel they can condemn christians and critisise them, people should have bones enough to take critisism too. I feel that a lot of people don't want to recognise and accept tghat there IS a problem.

[sharpnickelz]

I think we should not "condemn" anyone for their actions if it isn't breaking the law. That being said, there is problems with a lot of things we take for granted in this world. Cars, drugs, alcohol, video games, TV, sleeping, smoking, unprotected sex, the weather...all of the these have the potential to be harmful or helpful...in this same way, Porn can be harmful or, in its case, visually stimulating. I think one would have a misconception if Porn was considered norm; it is simply visual.

[davisiondotca]

Sharpnickelz, you are wrong to say that porn is simply visual. It is visual for the dude (or couple) who are getting off on it. Onthe other side, it is the industry and the income, health risk, degradation and reality for those girls who get screwed for money.

[sharpnickelz]

Obviously I was only talking about it from the side of the viewer. That was one aspect of the debate focusing on whether Porn was needed or not. Of course it isn't needed, just like any other form of entertainment, but people want to be entertained by it.

Risks - many jobs have risk not just porn.

Degradation - some people get pleasure from this, even women, and it would be foolish to believe that there aren't such fetishes.

Money - gotta approach it smartly you 9/10 your gonna get screwed.

[christiancorrell]

To the dude below me

Really!?? Is that what u think that Craig is trying to be a hero??

Have u not heard what he's been saying

People are victimized by this and go to his organization for help

So to be so stupid and blind to the fact that porn doesn't hurt people is really arrogant and idiotic

[clipsryan]

Craig has no idea what he's talking about and he says he's not trying to stop people from enjoying porn but he's clearly trying to guilt trip people into not supporting it anymore just because he wants to be some hero who saves humanity from the scary sex industry and not try stopping proestitution or child porn which are actually illegal and full of victems though hookers also chose but since they have STDs, they can't go to the safer responsible porn industry. Don't like? Don't watch it!

[Naimad319]

the thing about this that is so unfair is that ron and monique are saying that the girls who suffer it's there choice. But shouldn't we help those who need our help. Just because a few suffer and a majority succeeds dosen't still make it right. In the end i do agree that everyone is entitle to their choice.

[longbeachlt]

Your eye is a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is good, your whole body is filled with light. 23 But when your eye is bad, your whole body is filled with darkness. And if the light you think you have is actually darkness, how deep that darkness is!

[ak1986]

Proverbs 8:13

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate.

[juniwilliams]

yall christians r funny, always tosiin dem scriptures. Never living them through

[timrupp]

Depressing how apparent this actually is.

[madsin69]

@juniwilliams LOL!

[billbenblue]

Bringing an issue like this (or any issue for that matter) under scrutiny from a religious standpoint only serves to weaken any point one could hope to have. While I do believe personally that porn is absolutely degrading and dirty, I have to take the side of Ron Jeremy here (Monique Alexander is just an idiot and should just keep her mouth shut unless she's swallowing something). It doesn't lead to deviant behavior or sex crimes. It's not the CAUSE at any rate.

[McGriff99]

1:51-1:59->Booyaa!!. Very insightful comment. It seems the pastor and the producer didnt understand the point of the question since their responses were essentially the very same broad judgments (based on their personal experiences, values and beliefs) the audience member was referring too. Ironically, in attempting to rebuke the comment, they inadvertently illustrated its point.

[legend452]

Did you even listen to Craig's response? In no way was he FORCING (as that retarded girl put it) a victim status on the porn industry. He simply set up a ministry to aid those who find that porn has ruined their lives. To his own surprise he was getting responses left and right from people ADMITTING they have suffered because of porn.

Just because he's a pastor doesn't mean he's FORCING you to do anything. This seems to be the common thinking for those who have problems with religious folks.

[McGriff99]

I dont have a problem with the pastor setting up a ministry to help people hurt by the porn industry. Thats great. But the salient point has nothing to do with forcing people to do things. Its simply this: all you can really conclude from having known people that suffered from porn is that porn was damaging for them. It tells you really nothing at all about the rightness or wrongness of porn in a larger sense. To conclude otherwise (as the pastor does) amounts to unsound reasoning.

[legend452]

Why does there always have to be proof to know whether something like porn is right or wrong? The problem with the "there's shades of gray everywhere" argument is that it can be applied to anything. Whether you like or not, some things are objectively right and some things are objectively wrong. Porn is objectively wrong. If you don't believe me, then ask yourself "Would I be happy if my daugther went into porn?" Once you ask yourself that question, the next question would be "Why?"

[McGriff99]

Having evidence or proof to explain everything is not the point. Certainly there are many things that can't be explained or proven at this time. But that doesn't mean a lack of evidence makes decisions easier to make; in fact, in cases where things are unclear, we should be even more cautious. You may believe porn is objectively wrong, you're entitled to that belief. But you must concede that this belief is certainly not evidence-based, as the less-biased evidence is equivocal at best.

[McGriff99]

And ironically, the only thing your thought-experiment proves is the very point I've been making all along. Based on your comments, I would guess you would abhor the idea of your daughter being in porn. In an earlier clip, Ron Jeremy said he'd be okay with it. So who is right? Both of you are. But all we can reasonably conclude is that porn is bad for you and okay for Ron Jeremy. But neither answer says anything at all about the rightness or wrongness of porn in absolute terms.

[legend452]

Did you notice how much Ron Jeremy was struggling with that question? For a man who clearly doesn't care what people think about HIS choice in career why would he hesitate in directly answering the question. If he can't confidently answer that question, it obviously shows that deep down he has some kind of problem with the porn business.

[MissTsweets]

Let's be honest, everyone wants their child to be President or a Doctor or Lawyer. I know people who have parents that don't talk to them because they pursued a degree in theater and art instead of getting a "real" degree. Truth is a parent should just want their child to be happy and successful... In that order

[GermanShepardd]

Why should your parents care about your happiness. What's in it for them, you loser?

[McGriff99]

Judging the rightness or wrongness of something by seeing if it conforms or diverges from you beliefs, values and experiences (this is essentially whats happening in your thought-experiment and the way the Pastor argues) is an experiment thats designed to tell you only one thing: how the individual feels about x,y, or z. In contrast, it cant tell you anything about the absolute rightness or wrongness of something. That question can only be (somewhat) answered by objective large-scale studies.

[legend452]

I fully acknowledge that my belief is not evidence-based. But I'm asking why there always has to be evidence for every question that deals with ethical or moral issues? You say having to prove something is not the point. Then you mention that my belief is flawed because it's not evidence-based and that the only way to answer the question is through objective large-scale studies (statistical evidence maybe?)

[legend452]

Like I mentioned, some things ARE objectively right and objectively wrong.You don't need statistics or physical evidence to prove it. It's a matter of human morality and ethics. Is the type of content that porn generally presents morally or ethically right, especially considering the way it's presented? No. Have some people been hurt by porn? Yes. Have some been very successful from porn? Again, yes. But that doesn't take away the fact that it's objectively and definitely wrong.

[legend452]

Back to the video, I'm just completely shocked at how much the crowd seemed to be "pro porn". It seemed to me that the crowd was making wild comparisons (comparing an investment firm to porn? come on), and attacking the anti-porn side with the same old "well there's good and bad in everything, so you don't have the right to speak" If the pastor's point is that everyone is hurt by porn, then yeah he's wrong. If his main point is that porn is objectively wrong (as I think it is), he's right.

[henfred]

I hate how their main argument for porn is that because they are being paid a lot it is ok. American make money the answer to everything : success, happiness, self-worth, and purpose. I feel sorry for them because people feel that way. Humans are meant to live much much more meaningful lives.

[Kalitronn]

ROCK ON!!!

There's a reason Switchfoot sings it: "We were meant to live for so much more." Keep being awesome.

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@henfred wtf are you talking about

[bcn533]

@henfred That is not their main argument; what debate have you been watching?