9/11 Pentagon Debate: Craig Ranke (CIT) vs Anthony Summers

[newsmanbluesman]

If Summers' editor had run him this line of crap, the book on JFK he wrote would never have made it to print. Summers bragged how the witnesses had to be re-checked in person, how you couldnt count on Warren or committees work. Whoops, what happened to this great reporter since 1980? Craig you entirely won this exchange. I have not seen or heard any de-bunk win more than one or two minor points in any YT debate on 9/11; Ranke, Bermas, Gold, MacQueen, the guy on Coast versus AZ prof - all won

[asicit2b]

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[asicit2b]

Anybody know who the poster is that types for the Ronald Wieck ( Hardfire ) screen name that has posted here ?

[asicit2b]

This shows the Ignorance of the "certain" blind claim of pictures of passengers bodies still strapped in their seats ( shows lack of research on the Sayers of such ) The pictures being referenced are these from the Zacarias Moussaoui trial P200045 and P200047. No mention of WHO these people were. P200047 is the same area backed off that is seen in P200045. They are office chairs and WHY are two of the three wearing what looks like Orange jumpsuits ?

[MajorBuckSnort]

How does a 757 go into a 16 to 20ft wide hole that was photoed before the collapse of the outer ring? The witness's said the wings "folded in". I wonder if the tail section ducked? The jet engines did not leave a mark. Photos of the ring after collapse shows in a office a open book setting on a wooden chair without a singe, what happened to the 8K gal of fuel that melted steel at the WTC?

Firemen with equipment ready were on the other side of the building, WHY,plane crash drill

INSIDE BOMB/JOB

[OttoLund]

Thanks

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[Cap420]

Also another thing that I think people overlook- is in early photos of the Pentagon crash- there's clearly no wreckage on the lawn. It was spotless. Then later, as day went on, wreckage suddenly appeared. Just so many weird anomalies. If this was an organic, 100% real event- there would be no anomalies like this. I think what Craig is standing up for, regardless if the "evidence" goes against his "theory" and regardless of how "crazy" it sounds, is still WELL within the realm of possibility.

[Sockpuppet2012]

@Cap420

"what Craig is standing up for..... is still WELL within the realm of possibility"

What do you mean, "within the realm of possibility"?

What other option is there? If the plane didn't fly over the building, then what do you think happened?

[Cap420]

Also you have to figure a lot of the witnesses wanted to be "part of history" and were excited to some degree- to be interviewed, so said they actually SAW the plane hit. I'm not saying a plane didn't hit and some didn't actually see it/think they saw it hit, I just think the number is exaggerated. Everything about 9-11 is insanely shady, especially at the Pentagon. The lawn. Lloyds scratchless car hood and wack story that he had help from a silent stranger that never said a word, the hole, etc.

[Cap420]

I personally find it extremely hard to believe there were even 100+ witnesses who "saw the plane hit". I would bet my left nut that the number is greatly exaggerated. I agree- to some degree- at least some of them saw a plane, then the explosion, put 2 and 2 "together" yet claimed they SAW the plane hit, but who knows. Clearly it would of been very easy for people to have obstructed views, as there's lots of trees and small hills around that area in Arlington. 100+ people didn't SEE jack shit.

[StandUpForLiberty]

You might have a point spartak95 -- if you consider getting all of your facts wrong and dodging questions "professional", and debunking disinformation by conducting thorough eyewitness interviews "whining"

[LisaDawnn]

Photos of passengers burning in their seats? Do they just make this shit up as they go along? Who got close enough to this 'fireball' to witness burning passengers?

Way to hold your ground Craig. On behalf of all us little folk who don't have a public venue to voice our opinion in this matter, thank you for your outstanding and thorough (and unbiased) investigation!!!

9-11 was brought to you by our government(s) and sponsored by Halliburton.

[Cap420]

@LisaDawnn There are "pictures" that were released as part of the moussaoui trial that showed dead bodies from inside the Pentagon as part of the aftermath on 9-11. But as Craig said, there is no evidence they came from a plane. There were workers inside the Pentagon that also died. One thing you have to admire about Craig, is he's not budging on his stance, regardless if the "odds" are against his "theory"- if that's what you want to call it.

[spartak95]

I would think Summers kicked Ranke's ass in this debate. Ranke comes across like a whining teenager coming up against a true professional journalist

[spartak95]

That Ranke guy is a total retard

[DanUuNoel]

Very good on-the-spot job indeed! But Summers and Kester evidently are professional 9/11 censors. They know very well what they are doing. And they probably successfully confirmed the preconceptions of the reasonable 9/11 skeptics in the audience: "9/11 truth-seekers are very smart, very cunning, very dangerous, it seems to me that they are talking common sense, fortunately we have these 9/11 experts who are capable of putting them in their place."

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[911ProblemSolver]

I don't know who got murdered worse, summers or wieck-sauce on these YouTube comments.

[dozer3955]

hang on a minute, i am sure i saw an interview with steve o'brian many years ago and stated he was on a routine flight near the pentagon when he got a call there was smoke rizing from the pentagon to go and take a look and report back on what he could see.

[911ProblemSolver]

Everybody's Rob apparently.

[911ProblemSolver]

I've read that the Hardfire guys are tied to sadomasochistic spanky wanky caning business. How unprofessional... And GROSS. pilotsfor911truth . org/forum/index . php?showtopic=16842&hl=Popkin&­st=0

[911ProblemSolver]

Awesome post(s) revival! Just awesome. Thanks for the info!

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

KPFK (Pacifica Radio) is the definition of controlled opposition.

They promoted See No Evil by Bob Baer ("Former" CIA case officer) as a "truth package", and sold it as part of their fund-raising premium. Baer gave the CIA the manuscript before the book's release, and they edited out the "classified" parts. The thesis of the book (concerning 9/11) was that Saudi Arabia was behind the attacks. It was approved by the CIA.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

The elaborate efforts to destroy CIT are a small-scale version of the efforts that were made to destroy District Attorney Jim Garrison after he began his investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

This is interesting, as Anthony Summers was part of the effort to assassinate Garrison's character. Garrison would later claim that Summers' book was written at the behest of the CIA.

Indeed, Summers' book minimizes the CIA role and essentially argues a "Mob-Did-It" thesis.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

@RonaldWieck

When "radar tracks" released by the government/military and "physical evidence" from a scene completely controlled by government "investigators" stand in blatant contradiction with the corroborated testimony of many first-hand eyewitnesses, it raises questions about the government.

Establish that the CIT has "cherry-picked" witnesses by proving that they dismissed the account of a contradictory witness without good reason. For cherry picking, they obtained immense corroboration.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

What's more, Summers concluded that the assassination was orchestrated by organized crime and "rogue" elements of the CIA, along with the collaboration of Cuban exiles.

While it is true that these factions were involved at the operational level, they were not the sponsors of the assassination. To say that they were is to arrest and "patsify" the hit teams, while allowing the sponsors to escape.

Summers may have been brought on the scene to attack CIT because of his JFK "cred". 

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

Anthony Summers was previously a figure in JFK conspiracy circles.

He wrote a worthwhile book, but it was filled with disinformation conclusions and claims. He slammed Jim Garrison as a Mafia goon, a CIA/FBI/Media smear against him that the record has now proven to have been untrue. He claimed Guy Banister, not Clay Shaw, was the man seen with Oswald in Clinton, Louisiana. The eyewitnesses have strongly rejected this, and his explanation for Banister's "probable presence" is easily debunked.

[911ProblemSolver]

What physical evidence? You have photographs of "evidence" that no longer exists. You have NO proof a 757 made contact with any of those objects. Corroborated witness accounts from people who were there is perfectly acceptable evidence and is NOT hearsay.

[MrSammo1]

Physical evidence as a concept. Sadly, the average American myth mind prefers hearsay.

[StandUpForLiberty]

Wow Ronald, who would have guessed you'd fail to provide a source to back up your claims? Oh wait, I just got done explaining how you do this all of the time.

I'm not Rob and I've never e-mailed with you in my life Ronald. If you want to challenge him to something go find him and do it instead of trolling on YouTube comments sections. Actually you said you have his e-mail address so it shouldn't be very hard. Just spare the rest of us your ridiculous rants and posturing please.

[RonaldWieck]

Gee, Rob, how about your e-mails to me?

I have an idea. Let's pretend that the e-mails don't exist and I've never, ever challenged you or any of your frauds to a debate. HOW ABOUT DEBATING ON 'HARDFIRE'?

Not you personally, of course. Your scurrilous slander of Gary Popkin relegates you to the trash heap.

You can send one of your "experts" to discuss Warren Stutt's decoding of the last seconds of AA77's FDR.

You could send Alpo or Ranke to discuss their "witnesses." That would be fun.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

@RonaldWieck

Have you seen CIT's debates? They would slam your fucking obscure ass. You don't know shit about 9/11. You are not a researcher -- you get all of your information from Mark Roberts and then go marching off to fight the "conspiracy theorists".

"I've gotten laid by more beautiful women than you've spoken to, kid.." -- Ron Wieck

What a fucking dickhead loser. "OH YEAH I GET SO MUCH PUSSY UUHH YAA DAWG".. Pathetic.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

@RonaldWieck

Laughing at your own cliche jokes, fat boy? Are you that much of a blotchy little egomaniac?  Using your keyboard cool-guy skills, you've inferred that I "live in a basement" and "don't shower". The originality is simply staggering.

Like how you address women as if they're trophies ("achievements"), egomaniac freak. I can see you lumbering over to some woman at a bar. "I'm RONALD WEICK from HARDFIRE!" She asks what the fuck that is, and the conversation goes downhill from there.

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

@RonaldWieck

Others have claimed to have "exposed their lies" publicly. When faced with debate, however, I've seen few of them hold up to scrutiny. Summers certainly didn't. Nor did the obviously biased host of their debate, Terry Kester.

Cite the times when you've "tangled" with CIT. You complain that they have "never presented a single first responder". Why is a "first responder" inferior to a Pentagon police officer or gas station employee as a witness?

[RevivalOfBuzzBuzz]

@RonaldWieck

Also, you're dead wrong that "no one" saw a flyover. Officer Roosevelt Robert, Jr. saw an airplane flying away from the building immediately after the explosion. What's more, an interview from the Center for Military History (CMH) featured an interview in which one of the eyewitnesses states that "some people were yelling that a bomb hit the Pentagon and that a jet kept on going."

I can send you the audio to this if you would like. That no one saw a flyover is a myth.

[hgfbob]

@RonaldWieck

lol..spreading your vile over here, aye Ronaldo

[StandUpForLiberty]

Hey Ronald, why don't you provide a source showing where you supposedly challenged CIT to a debate on Hardfire and they refused? Prove that this actually happened. We are not going to take your word for it. I won't hold my breath though since you have a history of making bold claims like this and refusing to substantiate them when asked.

You're also clueless of the 9/11 Pentagon attack judging by your performance when you visited the CIT forum. See here:

tinyurl DOT com / 74rsjet

[RonaldWieck]

All the mindless zombies who bleat their agreement with the CIT-heads overlook a minor detail: NOBODY--not a living soul--saw the imaginary flyover. LOTS of people, including the fake NOC witnesses, saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

I have offered to debate the CIT-heads on the show I host, 'Hardfire.' They wouldn't dream of it.

They have NEVER explained why they refuse to reveal the absence of interviews with the hundreds of first-responders. What about the people they DON'T quote?

[anastasia2657]

It is important that those who are contradicting Ranke have not interviewed the witnesses. I think that Ranke's first hand interviewing of witnesses was important, & those contradicting him should do as much work. . Further, I think that the witnesses Ranke puts forward had an exceptional vantage point because of the canopy over the gas station. It would be highly unlikely that they could be mistaken in re: location of plane was vis a vis the Citgo gas station, becaues they were there.

[Zumbawithcindy]

Summers did NOT interview ANY of the witnesses!!! None! nada! - Go get'm Craig, CIT and Pilots for 911 Truth!!! !!! Physics and the FDR tells the story - No "bump" when the altimeter was reset from 29.92 as it descended back through FL 180....... No wreckage and a 16 foot round hole - smells like an ALCM hit!! LOOK at the pictures!!!!!! NO Aircraft!!!!

[saturnx311]

What Mr.Kester says about the fireman seeing cockpit seats on the grass is PATENTLY FALSE. There are photos taken IMMEDIATELY after the explosion, which show NOTHING on the grass-- no seats, no tail, no wings, no cowlings, no luggage, no bodies--NOTHING indicating a plane had struck the Pentagon.

This account was repeated by Jamie McIntyre from CNN who arrived at the scene minutes later. Jamie subsequently changed his story--- but as Summers says, it's the immediate accounts that matter.

[MMIIXX]

old guy  =0

young guy =1

[danp5648]

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[mscir]

Good job keeping this issue in the eye of the public. What a disgusting interview, Pacifica is clearly not interested in clear thinking or fair interviews. The radio host should both be fired, and hopefully this travesty will reduce the number of books the author sells.

[whatwaysup]

Summers/Kesters' stated intention of 'dispatching conspiracy theorist ideas' failed more miserably than words can tell. I have heard NO ONE able to dispute Craig Ranke under cross-examination. Summers and Kester FAILED and should take hard note their points being categorically refuted by the systematic questioning of Mr Ranke.

[onesliceshort]

Same old dsinfo trick ignoring the 2001 interviews for the "affected memory" argument. Now you see why these muppets won't agree to a recorded live debate.

Nice job Craig!

[adocotto]

A+++ Good work Craig. Keep it up.

[Hornet0biker]

What a pathetic attempt to discredit he argument against the offficial conspiracy theory. Who do these monkeys think this is this going to convince?

[Obwon10]

Hahaha... They can't even get the time of the crash right, no less show us 100 tons of aircraft, loaded with luggage and cargo, that would have broken into parts on impact. Where, for example, are the hundreds of miles of wires that course through the aircraft? Where are the tangled masses?  Of course, it goes without saying that the skill levels required are missing in the skyjackers, who themselves are missing as well.

[maturin42]

Disgraceful, mendacious, dishonesty on display at Pacifica. Good job, Craig. Summers clearly walked into a door here. The problem is that he has many allies bent on discrediting the evidence. They all get air time and ink to keep the propaganda flowing. We all have to keep working to get the facts out there. 106 witnesses my ass! Watch National Security Alert.

[twinsmagic]

I feel furious anger after listening to those two schmucks. Answer the fuc*ing question and stop the personal attacks against the messengers. That moderator was far from neutral. They wasted so much time with irrelevant facts and scooting around questions and trying to discredit the messenger.

[Sockpuppet2012]

Terry Kester begins the program with "Our tribute to those who served, suffered and died".

In other words: "Take off your 'thinking cap', and get out your box of Kleenex"

[warpcrafter]

@Sockpuppet2012 Unfortunately, those who are pushing the official story want to promote an atmosphere where disputing the official story is equal to terrorism.

[Sockpuppet2012]

Anthony Summers and Terry Kester are both disinfo agents.

Craig Ranke beat Anthony Summers to a bloody pulp with the club of Truth!

[JESUSSDAD]

thanks lytetrip. haven't heard anything from cit in a while. summers was getting owned right there.

[Sockpuppet2012]

WOW!.....I'm the first person to view this video!

I'm posting this comment BEFORE viewing the video, because I want to make a prediction.

My prediction is that Craig Ranke will mop the floor with Anthony Summers.

I'll post another comment after I have viewed the video.